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laserhaas

(7,805 posts)
Sat Apr 21, 2018, 09:41 AM Apr 2018

Texas student defends merit of Harvard acceptance after question from former state official

Source: The HILL



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A former Texas state official this week questioned a biracial California high school student's Harvard acceptance, asking on Twitter if he was admitted on "merit" or "quota."

Drake Johnson tweeted a photo of himself on Wednesday holding his Harvard acceptance letter and sporting the Ivy League university's sweatshirt, adding: "It's official, I'm Harvard bound."

George Clayton, a former member of the Texas state board of education, according to the Dallas Morning News, responded to the tweet.

"Congrats," Clayton wrote. "Were you admitted on merit or quota?"

Read more: http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/384247-texas-student-defends-merit-of-harvard-acceptance-after-question?amp&__twitter_impression=true
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Texas student defends merit of Harvard acceptance after question from former state official (Original Post) laserhaas Apr 2018 OP
To think someone like that was on the Texas State Board of Education... CatMor Apr 2018 #1
Texas Board is full of racists and whites sad for their lost white privilege. Harvard beyond any Fred Sanders Apr 2018 #7
Too true. But ascribing this to racism alone would Hortensis Apr 2018 #36
Concur! ..Remembering an old Star Trek episode laserhaas Apr 2018 #46
Star Trek brought up a lot of social issues. Cold War Spook Apr 2018 #48
:) A study examined to see if SIZE of group generated bias. Hortensis Apr 2018 #49
think texas Larrybanal Apr 2018 #15
There was a racist idiot on my city school board.... CatMor Apr 2018 #27
People (meaning Democrats) have not realized how important schools boards are. Lonestarblue Apr 2018 #17
The Texas State BoE has a terrifying amount of power Cal Carpenter Apr 2018 #40
forget this punk Clayton. Who's secretary of education now? onetexan Apr 2018 #42
So very true CatMor Apr 2018 #43
this texan is a typical ameriKKKKan, these days heaven05 Apr 2018 #2
We should ask sharedvalues Apr 2018 #25
yeah heaven05 Apr 2018 #38
Propaganda works. Heres Cambridge A comparing Trump to Hitler propaganda sharedvalues Apr 2018 #41
hate, racism, bigotry heaven05 Apr 2018 #58
Yup. Its the GOPs fault. And GOP billionaire donors are the modern GOP sharedvalues Apr 2018 #69
I want to see the entire educational history mountain grammy Apr 2018 #3
Bingo! pandr32 Apr 2018 #23
This. CrispyQ Apr 2018 #34
another response could have been wobblie Apr 2018 #4
Send it to him! 😂 Lucky Luciano Apr 2018 #10
Or other response: Fox lies to you about affirmative action sharedvalues Apr 2018 #21
I would have answered, quota. padfun Apr 2018 #5
Funny how no one ever asks: "were you admitted on legacy or merit?" mainer Apr 2018 #6
This message was self-deleted by its author sfwriter Apr 2018 #8
+1 dalton99a Apr 2018 #11
Fox tells him its minorities fault sharedvalues Apr 2018 #20
Exactly. Kurt V. Apr 2018 #28
"I got into Trump University on MERIT! That's why I got them extra Trump steaks & ties for yurbud Apr 2018 #62
Why do racists feel compelled to OldHippieChick Apr 2018 #9
It's called the tRump effect padah513 Apr 2018 #13
Seriously, do Trumpians OldHippieChick Apr 2018 #14
Kick and recommend for visibility. bronxiteforever Apr 2018 #12
White male... mbusby Apr 2018 #16
Theyre the GOP base. GOP media intentionally inflames their racism sharedvalues Apr 2018 #19
And the GOP backs and amplifies racism like this sharedvalues Apr 2018 #18
No one asks these questions of whites IronLionZion Apr 2018 #22
Incredibly, the Dallas Observer considers him a moderate. BobTheSubgenius Apr 2018 #24
Would you ask this question of a white person Clayton..."Were you admited on merit or on who Ferrets are Cool Apr 2018 #26
Why are the Hill's headlines, referring to the former SBOE jerk as "Texas student"? LeftInTX Apr 2018 #29
What the fuck is this guy cruising random teens' Twitter accounts for? DRoseDARs Apr 2018 #30
Good old George has sent tweets like this before. irisblue Apr 2018 #31
kid should have challenged the racist to a jeopardy style contest rurallib Apr 2018 #32
OMG! PatrickforO Apr 2018 #33
The student is not from Texas oberliner Apr 2018 #35
He revealed two things with that tweet: his stupidity and his racism. marble falls Apr 2018 #37
Mr. Former State Office, you are irrelevant and I do not need to reply. I'm brighter than your kids. TheBlackAdder Apr 2018 #39
What a typical Republican. Dishonest, in saying "Congrats", when he didn't mean it at ALL. Judi Lynn Apr 2018 #44
The college I graduated from required a 1000 total SAT score. Mine was 850 rocktivity Apr 2018 #45
Nice laserhaas Apr 2018 #47
Old friend of mine was a pres. of a BIG university.... Grins Apr 2018 #53
Yeah our kids high school really does the letters of recs right. MissB Apr 2018 #59
Page Flip Ukrainian Yankee Apr 2018 #50
How did trump Trump get where he is ? JI7 Apr 2018 #51
(My reply) "Mr. Clayton, would you have ever asked that question if I was white?" N/M Grins Apr 2018 #52
What an asshole. denbot Apr 2018 #54
GWB didn't get into Yale on "merit" TexasBushwhacker Apr 2018 #55
Hey Clayton! Were you on the school board because muntrv Apr 2018 #56
Lawd, Mr. Clayton is a crispy hot mess... Chitown Kev Apr 2018 #57
In seriousness MosheFeingold Apr 2018 #60
I'd imagine no member of the TX board of education ever asked that of a white student. LanternWaste Apr 2018 #61
The level of ignorance is incomprehensible harun Apr 2018 #63
if the kid got into Harvard any which way, he's smarter than most people yurbud Apr 2018 #64
All our service academies practice rigid geographic quotes yurbud Apr 2018 #65
Exactly! laserhaas Apr 2018 #66
Service Academy admission is by Congressional Appointment. Yes, there are relatively a 24601 Apr 2018 #67
I didn't say it was good or bad. Members of Congress will typically pick someone from their state yurbud Apr 2018 #68

CatMor

(6,212 posts)
1. To think someone like that was on the Texas State Board of Education...
Sat Apr 21, 2018, 09:46 AM
Apr 2018

how does someone like that get a position on a school board. No wonder schools are in trouble.

Fred Sanders

(23,946 posts)
7. Texas Board is full of racists and whites sad for their lost white privilege. Harvard beyond any
Sat Apr 21, 2018, 10:00 AM
Apr 2018

of them.

White privilege, meet white jealousy.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
36. Too true. But ascribing this to racism alone would
Sat Apr 21, 2018, 01:26 PM
Apr 2018

be a bad mistake. If all people were white, bigotry, oppression, and attempts to stratify society would still rage based on other factors. And of course they do right now, based on all of them. They are battling to impose conservative beliefs, secular and religious, on America, and they've succeeded in packing many boards of education with hard-core conservatives, most with fervent religious mandates.

CatMor, SO agree.

 

laserhaas

(7,805 posts)
46. Concur! ..Remembering an old Star Trek episode
Sat Apr 21, 2018, 04:24 PM
Apr 2018

Of guys with 1/2 white and 1/2 black face.

Those with white on right side hated those with white on the left side.

Bigotry is as bigotry does

 

Cold War Spook

(1,279 posts)
48. Star Trek brought up a lot of social issues.
Sat Apr 21, 2018, 04:40 PM
Apr 2018

I do remember that episode, where at the end, the two men were fighting each other for all of eternity.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
49. :) A study examined to see if SIZE of group generated bias.
Sat Apr 21, 2018, 04:42 PM
Apr 2018

To hopefully make any results strong enough to quantify, the subjects used in this one were all conservative in personality.

The two imaginary groups presented were exactly the same except for the sizes of the groups. The results revealed a definite, pervasive bias against the smaller group that varied in degree from mild to whackadoodle. Some strong social conservatives actually developed a genuine antipathy toward the people in the smaller group, remembering only the approximately 1 in 3 negative things they were told about them, conveniently forgetting the outweighing positives, and coming to see them as the bad one, the larger group the good one.

I haven't heard that this study was replicated with the same results, but it is so easy to believe. Tendencies to bias are wired into us to varying degrees. The targets don't create it.

Lonestarblue

(9,958 posts)
17. People (meaning Democrats) have not realized how important schools boards are.
Sat Apr 21, 2018, 11:17 AM
Apr 2018

The Republican plan to take over the country permanently (see Karl Rove’s Redmap) started with local and state elections like school boards. In Texas, past state school boards have been populated by rabid, right-wing Republicans who were not only racist, but also ignorant of education issues and interested only in forcing their views on creationism and white supremacy to textbooks. Unfortunately, they succeeded and today’s history books are a white-washed version of reality. Other states refused to go along wth their fake science, so those books fared better. Today’s board is a bit less rabid, but the crazy areas of Texas still have their board members. You may remember the former teacher who was running from northeast Texas in 2016 who claimed several times on her Facebook posts that Obama sold drugs and performed as a male dancer in gay sex clubs. Fortunately, she was not elected. My district has a rational Democrat on the board, or I would be tempted to run myself, even at my age.

Cal Carpenter

(4,959 posts)
40. The Texas State BoE has a terrifying amount of power
Sat Apr 21, 2018, 02:38 PM
Apr 2018

Because of the size of Texas school system, textbooks that are used all over the country are created under their approval. That's an oversimplification, but it's essentially true. They are right-wing, conservative, the type of Christians who believe Jesus should be in schools and racist. It is awful and it has been this way a long time.

The only thing surprising about this OP is that the asshole said this on Twitter, not that he is a racist piece of shit. And actually, in the Trump-Twitter era, I suppose it's not surprising at all.

onetexan

(13,020 posts)
42. forget this punk Clayton. Who's secretary of education now?
Sat Apr 21, 2018, 03:09 PM
Apr 2018

At least this moron Clayton can't hurt anybody with his words...sticks & stones... De Vos is ruining the entire public school system for millions of kids throughout the country.

sharedvalues

(6,916 posts)
25. We should ask
Sat Apr 21, 2018, 11:53 AM
Apr 2018

How much does that Texan watch Fox or listen to right wing radio or read Breitbart?


What he said about that kid is terrible.

 

heaven05

(18,124 posts)
38. yeah
Sat Apr 21, 2018, 01:40 PM
Apr 2018

hate radio and television. Disgusting. But they choose to listen so their ears can be filled with the rancid pollution they desire. No one makes them listen or watch.

sharedvalues

(6,916 posts)
41. Propaganda works. Heres Cambridge A comparing Trump to Hitler propaganda
Sat Apr 21, 2018, 03:05 PM
Apr 2018
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.businessinsider.com/cambridge-analytica-linked-ceo-compares-trump-propaganda-to-hitler-2018-4



Propaganda works. A lot of people don’t really make a choice, they are just brainwashed. The human mind tends to believe things that it hears a lot. That’s why Fox and hate radio and Trump repeat the same lies.
 

heaven05

(18,124 posts)
58. hate, racism, bigotry
Sun Apr 22, 2018, 09:58 AM
Apr 2018

are all a choice. I had to make a conscious decision to hate or not to hate. I slip, yet I continue to have to make that decision everyday, now. Thanks for the link. Yeah they are doing the Goebbels playbook, page by page. I wrote about it pretrump. His propaganda machine was in place for years infecting those less inclined to be human and whose wishes are to remain as animals, not far from Neanderthals and their ancestors.

mountain grammy

(26,598 posts)
3. I want to see the entire educational history
Sat Apr 21, 2018, 09:54 AM
Apr 2018

of the racist dirtbag Texas state official. I can't imagine he got ahead for any other reason than he's a white male.

 

wobblie

(61 posts)
4. another response could have been
Sat Apr 21, 2018, 09:56 AM
Apr 2018

We're you elected because of your qualifications or because of white privilege?

mainer

(12,018 posts)
6. Funny how no one ever asks: "were you admitted on legacy or merit?"
Sat Apr 21, 2018, 09:59 AM
Apr 2018

because legacy usually means white.

Response to laserhaas (Original post)

yurbud

(39,405 posts)
62. "I got into Trump University on MERIT! That's why I got them extra Trump steaks & ties for
Mon Apr 23, 2018, 01:15 PM
Apr 2018

the retail not wholesale price. Or maybe it's the other way around. Anyway, I bet them steaks woulda been good if they were frozen before they mailed 'em..."

OldHippieChick

(2,434 posts)
9. Why do racists feel compelled to
Sat Apr 21, 2018, 10:06 AM
Apr 2018

respond to social media that has nothing whatsoever to do w/ them? This is a California student and a Texas idiot decides to respond out of the blue? Does he not have enough opportunities in Texas to show his ass?

OldHippieChick

(2,434 posts)
14. Seriously, do Trumpians
Sat Apr 21, 2018, 10:52 AM
Apr 2018

troll social media looking for opportunities to hate? This can only be a moron w/ too much time on his hands.

bronxiteforever

(9,287 posts)
12. Kick and recommend for visibility.
Sat Apr 21, 2018, 10:11 AM
Apr 2018

Why would an old man stalk a high school seniors acceptance to an Ivy League school?
This is wrong on so many levels. Clayton is a a very small and hate filled man.

sharedvalues

(6,916 posts)
19. Theyre the GOP base. GOP media intentionally inflames their racism
Sat Apr 21, 2018, 11:29 AM
Apr 2018

To get votes for billionaires.

Republicans: party of racism and fear and hate, all to get votes for their billionaire donors.

sharedvalues

(6,916 posts)
18. And the GOP backs and amplifies racism like this
Sat Apr 21, 2018, 11:27 AM
Apr 2018

GOP propaganda networks amplify racism like this, and tell white people that minorities hold them down.

If we ever want to improve racism in America, we must fight the GOP first.

IronLionZion

(45,380 posts)
22. No one asks these questions of whites
Sat Apr 21, 2018, 11:39 AM
Apr 2018

Where you admitted by white privilege or by blocking out minorities through systemic discrimination?

BobTheSubgenius

(11,560 posts)
24. Incredibly, the Dallas Observer considers him a moderate.
Sat Apr 21, 2018, 11:51 AM
Apr 2018

They have quite a remarkable continuum in Texas, don't they?

Ferrets are Cool

(21,103 posts)
26. Would you ask this question of a white person Clayton..."Were you admited on merit or on who
Sat Apr 21, 2018, 11:57 AM
Apr 2018

your parents are?" FU asshole.

irisblue

(32,931 posts)
31. Good old George has sent tweets like this before.
Sat Apr 21, 2018, 12:31 PM
Apr 2018

He hasn't yet locked his account, twitter doing twitter has found at least one more. A young woman gained acceptance to Brown, he tweeted to her the same thing. There is so much wrong with this guy.

EDITED TO ADD
I'm not including the young woman tweet to her from him because she's not quoted in the hill article, it seems unfair to show her info w/o her permission.

rurallib

(62,386 posts)
32. kid should have challenged the racist to a jeopardy style contest
Sat Apr 21, 2018, 12:40 PM
Apr 2018

to be broadcast across Texas.

just being flippant -

PatrickforO

(14,559 posts)
33. OMG!
Sat Apr 21, 2018, 12:41 PM
Apr 2018

Racism is alive and well.

What kind of slime would suck the joy out of this kid's tweet except a fucking ku kluxer?

Well, for my part, congrats to the kid because it sounds like he is quite an achiever and he'll be a great fit at Harvard.

Judi Lynn

(160,450 posts)
44. What a typical Republican. Dishonest, in saying "Congrats", when he didn't mean it at ALL.
Sat Apr 21, 2018, 04:04 PM
Apr 2018

He only used "congrats" as his opening so he could take a dirty kick at this student.

Screw him, screw all of them, in time, the dregs like him will fall away, and the world will never miss him.



Good old Republican George Clayton, a real "education" enthusiast, as you can see.

rocktivity

(44,572 posts)
45. The college I graduated from required a 1000 total SAT score. Mine was 850
Sat Apr 21, 2018, 04:10 PM
Apr 2018

Last edited Sun Dec 3, 2023, 01:42 AM - Edit history (4)

But I got credit for graduating in the top fifth of an academically reknowned high school. I graduated from the college with a B average.

I was once asked if it was "fair" that I had "taken" a spot from a student with a higher SAT score. I replied, "It must have been, since the students who got in with higher SAT scores but ended up graduating BEHIND me got to stay!"


rocktivity

Grins

(7,199 posts)
53. Old friend of mine was a pres. of a BIG university....
Sat Apr 21, 2018, 06:20 PM
Apr 2018

...odd situation as I had just met and was standing next to a female high school senior who wanted get into his undergrad alma mater, Stanford. She had the grades, SAT's etc., etc., so I tried to pin him down: "How can this girl get into Stanford (insert your alma mater here) when EVERY applicant has equal and terrific credentials?"

He said admissions was a whole other beast and that the people who do that work learn how to do it only after years of experience. And one of their major criteria was what you just mentioned: The admissions people KNOW all the academically great public high schools in the country. They know your school!

"They do?" I asked.

Yes. They do. That's part of their job to know the great schools or the schools that produce graduates who can come to a Stanford (insert your alma mater here) - and succeed! And that's what they want their applicants to do when the get there - succeed! And if you did well in that school, there is a good chance you may get a nod over someone else with a better SAT/ACT!

The other HUGE factor when all else appears equal? Surprised the heck out of me: The letter of recommendation! Said it was really a big deal.

But it has to be a great recommendation letter, not just a couple sentences cobbled together; 'Yeah, he's good' kind of thing, but when the writer first says "This is who I AM, and this is why I AM QUALIFIED to tell YOU that this is the candidate YOU WANT at YOUR university...", and then give examples. This letter should take a couple hours to write.

Another friend standing nearby heard this. Turns out she is on the admissions board of another large and well known university at the graduate school level, and she jumped in on the conversation. Said she once had two great applicants from the same school and it got down to the letters of recommendation. Those letters were written by the same person. They were practically word for word identical. Whoever wrote them put ZERO effort into them.

She had to reject both applicants.

MissB

(15,803 posts)
59. Yeah our kids high school really does the letters of recs right.
Sun Apr 22, 2018, 09:17 PM
Apr 2018

Mid year junior year, the teachers are all asked for input on each kid. They meet with the counselor towards the end of the school year and give input too. The kids each have to fill out some info for the counselor and the parents do too. The counselor has the school’s letter of rec all ready to go by the time they are on campus for senior year. We even see a draft of it. It’s typically 2-3 pages long.

Totally makes a difference over a non-personal letter of rec.

TexasBushwhacker

(20,144 posts)
55. GWB didn't get into Yale on "merit"
Sat Apr 21, 2018, 07:56 PM
Apr 2018

He got in because he was a legacy admission (aka the quota for rich white kids).

Chitown Kev

(2,197 posts)
57. Lawd, Mr. Clayton is a crispy hot mess...
Sat Apr 21, 2018, 11:02 PM
Apr 2018
https://www.texasobserver.org/george-clayton-gop-dem-trump/

From 2011 to 2012, George Clayton was a moderate Republican member on the notoriously extreme Texas State Board of Education — a “voice of sanity,” Texas Freedom Network board-watcher Dan Quinn once called him. Halfway through Clayton’s term on the board, activists on the religious right began spreading speculation about his sexuality, and Clayton issued a statement that he did, in fact, “have a male partner who lives with me in my home.” In his bid for re-election, which would have made him the first openly gay Texas Republican elected to such a high position, he finished last in a three-way primary. “I think the party, even before the primary, was working against me,” Clayton told the Observer recently. “I’m convinced of it.”


Which...I mean, I kinda feel for him, those Texas religious bigots can be nasty, I imagine, Mr. Clayton is a hatin'...and racist.

MosheFeingold

(3,051 posts)
60. In seriousness
Mon Apr 23, 2018, 01:02 PM
Apr 2018

This is the weakness of Affirmative Action programs at this level -- no, not that this kid got in inappropriately, but THE PERCEPTION (by many) that he got something based on race.

Me, I doubt the admissions would be materially different if they just stuck everyone in a computer and had some formula based on SAT and GPA with some cushion for more strenuous classes and extracurricular activities of note when you got the the "ties".

Such a method would eliminate the racists' argument.

 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
61. I'd imagine no member of the TX board of education ever asked that of a white student.
Mon Apr 23, 2018, 01:10 PM
Apr 2018

I'd imagine no member (current or past) of the TX board of education ever asked that of a white student.

But I'm guessing this will be just another incident in which race is minimized or denied as a major factor.

On edit: Spoke early. No guesses necessary.

yurbud

(39,405 posts)
65. All our service academies practice rigid geographic quotes
Mon Apr 23, 2018, 01:18 PM
Apr 2018

So tell right winger if they don't like them, they don't support the troops.

Also, do they think Einsteins like Bush and Trump got into ANY institution on merit rather than their parents bribes (er, donations)?

24601

(3,955 posts)
67. Service Academy admission is by Congressional Appointment. Yes, there are relatively a
Tue Apr 24, 2018, 12:54 AM
Apr 2018

small number of Executive Branch Appointment. Additionally, children of Medal of Honor recipients have an automatic appointment if they meet admission criteria. But the overwhelming number of admissions are by Congressional appointment. Members of congress may be using quotas - but how do the academies get the blame for that?

yurbud

(39,405 posts)
68. I didn't say it was good or bad. Members of Congress will typically pick someone from their state
Tue Apr 24, 2018, 03:20 AM
Apr 2018
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