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pnwmom

(108,975 posts)
Wed May 2, 2018, 05:37 AM May 2018

Trump Lawyers Said to Lack Security Clearance Amid Mueller Talks

Last edited Wed May 2, 2018, 06:08 AM - Edit history (1)

Source: Bloomberg News

Donald Trump’s current team of lawyers lacks the security clearances needed to discuss sensitive issues related to a possible presidential interview with Special Counsel Robert Mueller, according to two people familiar with the matter.

Trump’s former lead lawyer John Dowd had been the only member of the president’s personal legal team with a security clearance, the people said. When Dowd quit in March over disagreements with Trump on legal strategy, Jay Sekulow became the lead lawyer on the investigation and is still waiting for his clearance.

The lack of security clearances could further complicate already sensitive talks with Mueller’s team. Prosecutors for Mueller have made clear to Trump’s lawyers that the special counsel would consider a subpoena compelling the president to testify before a grand jury if he refuses to participate in a voluntary interview, according to two current U.S. officials.

Mueller believes he has legal standing to subpoena a sitting president, even though such a move has never been fully tested, according to the officials. Unlike an interview, Trump couldn’t bring his lawyers into a grand jury room.


Read more: https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-05-02/trump-lawyers-said-to-lack-security-clearance-amid-mueller-talks



This seems like a pretty big deal. Kinda hard to defend a client when you're not authorized to read the evidence.

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Trump Lawyers Said to Lack Security Clearance Amid Mueller Talks (Original Post) pnwmom May 2018 OP
Wait What? Sedona May 2018 #1
Yeah True Blue American May 2018 #2
Not after videohead5 May 2018 #3
Was thinking the same. Duppers May 2018 #4
If Staff Needs True Blue American May 2018 #9
Yes, indeed. ALL. Duppers May 2018 #12
Do you thin True Blue American May 2018 #17
Requiring a security clearance before someone can be a candidate for president would give the Nitram May 2018 #23
OK, so just require the SF-86 and the FBI report to be made public. lagomorph777 May 2018 #27
Indeed, it does seem like a pretty big deal. Duppers May 2018 #5
This! Is! Freakin'! GREAT!!!!!! raven mad May 2018 #6
legal standing to subpoena a sitting president? paleotn May 2018 #7
That would be an obvious example to check, but he might karynnj May 2018 #10
They're different cases PJMcK May 2018 #11
Jennifer Reuben discussed this last night on Lawrence... Trueblue Texan May 2018 #15
Trump took the 5th almost 100 times during divorce proceedings NewJeffCT May 2018 #16
This news would have been great during the election when bluestarone May 2018 #19
it was out there NewJeffCT May 2018 #20
AH missed that!! Your right i'm sure all bluestarone May 2018 #22
Nixon v. Fitzgerald possibly. paleotn May 2018 #25
You're saying every detail has to be identical to establish precedent? lagomorph777 May 2018 #28
Do the Grand Jury members hold security clearances? Xipe Totec May 2018 #8
Natch. Mc Mike May 2018 #13
Almost thought this was The Onion Corgigal May 2018 #14
And the Klown Karr rambles on..... lark May 2018 #18
So Trump is stuck between a rock and a hard place. Voluntarily answer questions and he can have Nitram May 2018 #21
YEA hope he chooses the latter!! bluestarone May 2018 #24
It takes months to get a clearance. Hard to do with such high turnover. lagomorph777 May 2018 #26

Duppers

(28,118 posts)
12. Yes, indeed. ALL.
Wed May 2, 2018, 08:02 AM
May 2018

I'd thought about posting that immediately after I clicked reply. Senators and Representatives often have to review sensitive national security matters. And I imagine some of their staff also see this material.



True Blue American

(17,984 posts)
17. Do you thin
Wed May 2, 2018, 09:09 AM
May 2018

Devin Nunes could pass a background check. Jim Jordan? Jim just told a Reporter he could not remember Trump telling one lie.

Now,Meadows is coming out with an Impeachment bill against Rosenstein. Rosenstein handed their threat right back.They are all Freedom Caucus hacks.

Nitram

(22,791 posts)
23. Requiring a security clearance before someone can be a candidate for president would give the
Wed May 2, 2018, 09:57 AM
May 2018

Justice Department too much power over the Executive branch.

lagomorph777

(30,613 posts)
27. OK, so just require the SF-86 and the FBI report to be made public.
Wed May 2, 2018, 04:44 PM
May 2018

Let the public read and decide whether the candidate should get the job.

paleotn

(17,911 posts)
7. legal standing to subpoena a sitting president?
Wed May 2, 2018, 07:33 AM
May 2018

not fully tested? They should check with Bill Clinton about that Have the authors never heard of Clinton v. Jones? SCOTUS has already spoken on this issue.

PJMcK

(22,031 posts)
11. They're different cases
Wed May 2, 2018, 07:47 AM
May 2018

Clinton's case was a civil suit for things that happened before he was president.

Trump's case, particularly any obstruction of justice charges, involve actions while he was president. (Admittedly, there are also issues that took place before Trump's presidency but they involve criminal acts unlike Clinton's civil acts).

If Robert Mueller subpoenas Trump, the validity of the subpoena will be determined, most likely, by the Supreme Court.

Trueblue Texan

(2,425 posts)
15. Jennifer Reuben discussed this last night on Lawrence...
Wed May 2, 2018, 08:27 AM
May 2018

I can't remember the case she cited, maybe Watergate, maybe Clinton...but according to her, SCOTUS has already ruled on this with the emphasis of the ruling that no one, including the President, is above the law. Doesn't matter if the case is civil or criminal in that regard.

NewJeffCT

(56,828 posts)
16. Trump took the 5th almost 100 times during divorce proceedings
Wed May 2, 2018, 08:38 AM
May 2018

in order to avoid admitting to adultery. I'm guessing that any testimony from Trump will involve a lot of "I am invoking my 5th amendment rights against self incrimination..." a BIGLY amount of times.


http://www.mcclatchydc.com/news/politics-government/election/article105178626.html

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/donald-trump-pleading-the-fifth_us_57ed79dee4b024a52d2de46d


bluestarone

(16,906 posts)
19. This news would have been great during the election when
Wed May 2, 2018, 09:40 AM
May 2018

RUMP fired off the comment that people that take the fifth are GUILTY!!!!!

NewJeffCT

(56,828 posts)
20. it was out there
Wed May 2, 2018, 09:48 AM
May 2018

the McClatchey article is dated 9/30/16

But, it got lost in the Bullshit Storm that Trump put out on a daily basis, and of course, the "but her emails" crowd in the media.

bluestarone

(16,906 posts)
22. AH missed that!! Your right i'm sure all
Wed May 2, 2018, 09:55 AM
May 2018

the bullshit diversions they threw out there!!!!! That was there plan!

lagomorph777

(30,613 posts)
28. You're saying every detail has to be identical to establish precedent?
Wed May 2, 2018, 04:47 PM
May 2018

Not buying that. Paula Jones and Ken Starr set the precedent. Trump is screwed. Thanks to a Republican vendetta. Oh Karma is a BITCH!

Mc Mike

(9,114 posts)
13. Natch.
Wed May 2, 2018, 08:12 AM
May 2018

And oh, lock Hillary up, for not properly handling classified info. They're such lying hypocritical whiny traitors.

Corgigal

(9,291 posts)
14. Almost thought this was The Onion
Wed May 2, 2018, 08:18 AM
May 2018

I know I wasn't the only one.

Sometimes, you get what you pay for. Don't pay for attorney knowledge and security clearances, well get 3rd tier attorneys.

lark

(23,091 posts)
18. And the Klown Karr rambles on.....
Wed May 2, 2018, 09:32 AM
May 2018

I swear future generations are going to think this is made up, if we can survive long enough to purge the nation of this toxic strain of greedy racist fascists.

Nitram

(22,791 posts)
21. So Trump is stuck between a rock and a hard place. Voluntarily answer questions and he can have
Wed May 2, 2018, 09:55 AM
May 2018

his lawyers in the room. If he's forced to testify by a subpoena, he can fight it in court but he'll not have any of his lawyers along if he loses.

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