Giuliani: Mueller's team told Trump's lawyers they can't indict a president
Source: CNN
(CNN)Special counsel Robert Mueller's team has informed President Donald Trump's attorneys that they have concluded that they cannot indict a sitting president, according to the President's lawyer.
"All they get to do is write a report," Trump lawyer Rudy Giuliani told CNN. "They can't indict. At least they acknowledged that to us after some battling, they acknowledged that to us."
That conclusion is likely based on longstanding Justice Department guidelines. It is not about any assessment of the evidence Mueller's team has compiled.
A lack of an indictment would not necessarily mean the President is in the clear. Mueller could issue a report making referrals or recommendations to the House of Representatives.
Read more: https://www.cnn.com/2018/05/16/politics/rudy-giuliani-robert-mueller-indictment/index.html?sr=twCNN051618rudy-giuliani-robert-mueller-indictment0531PMStory
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(52,203 posts)elmac
(4,642 posts)but threatened to include him as an Unindicted co-conspirator if impeachment didn't happen.
SergeStorms
(19,199 posts)Like Trump's "everybody says" and "everybody knows", anything that comes from Ghouliani's mouth is to be taken with an 18 wheeler full of salt. It's mostly wishful thinking, on both Trump's and Ghouliani's parts.
unblock
(52,203 posts)keeping all those lies straight, trying to figure out which lie will meet with donnie's approval given that none of it is facts-based, etc.
not that anyone in donnie's orbit is normal-thinking....
SergeStorms
(19,199 posts)Try to imagine the city dump that exists in Sarah Sanders' brain right now.
3Hotdogs
(12,374 posts)CousinIT
(9,240 posts)And Senate too. THEN any recommendation/report Mueller submits CAN be acted upon.
Other than that, Trump has gotten away with all his crimes and his constitutional violations and will continue to do so.
And I'd remind everyone not to turn on NPR these days. It's become a veritable cheerleader for Trump's tax 1.5B in tax cuts for the wealthy, charter schools and elimination of public schools, and unregulated, untaxed capitalism (just tonight they had the founder of Home Depot on to talk about his book "I Love Capitalism!" and he was telling us all how Capitalism works (if you're a billionaire of course -- doesn't work for anyone else)
truthisfreedom
(23,146 posts)3Hotdogs
(12,374 posts)Remember, 2/3rds vote required.
Maybe, just maybe he gets impeached. Convicted? Never.
He could wack a nun on 5th Avenue.......
Keefer
(713 posts)simple majority in the house.
MGKrebs
(8,138 posts)"Unindicted co-conspirator".
3Hotdogs
(12,374 posts)OhZone
(3,212 posts)got NJ a Democratic Governor.
3Hotdogs
(12,374 posts)His career ended when he brought back the wrong order from McDonalds.
He is now back at his law office, probably making 3x the $$$ he made as governor.
Calista241
(5,586 posts)Former US Attorneys are literally sitting on top of a mint in terms of their ability to make money.
LenaBaby61
(6,974 posts)And just saw that picture of Christie sitting there looking like a beached whale, then I got to thinking about that picture he took wearing that huge baseball uniform.
I'm not hungry any longer 🤮 & 😳
MGKrebs
(8,138 posts)Cha
(297,154 posts)it must have helped get a Dem Gov in.
He left a terrible legacy.. if he gives a rats ass.
Good for Dems, though.
whathehell
(29,067 posts)Arkansas Granny
(31,515 posts)Rhiannon12866
(205,237 posts)They said he talked to someone and attributed it to Mueller - and then walked it back.
PoliticAverse
(26,366 posts)It's unlikely Muller would indict Trump.
From 10-16-2000:
The indictment or cniminal prosecution of a sitting President would unconstitutionally undermine the
capacity of the executive branch to perform its constitutionally assigned function.
https://www.justice.gov/sites/default/files/olc/opinions/2000/10/31/op-olc-v024-p0222_0.pdf
Eliot Rosewater
(31,109 posts)clause violations and working with our enemy to interfere with an election, his deplorables will say since he was not indicted he is innocent.
But even if he is indicted they will say he is innocent, dumbshits.
CousinIT
(9,240 posts)I'm sorry but that needs to change.
humbled_opinion
(4,423 posts)especially if Democrats win the House, but probably not removed, however the impeachment itself would be important to show that America will not normalize this kind of behavior in a President.
Lonestarblue
(9,978 posts)The Constitution specifically provides for a backup, the vice president, when the president cannot perform his assigned functionas he could not do from jail. So that should be no excuse to avoid indictment for criminal conduct. Im certainly not a lawyer, but if the president cannot be indicted, then he is free to spend the next two years committing every crime he wants and entering into any number of illegal agreements with other countries that do not require Congressional approvalall to benefit his business. Yes, I know he can be impeached, but we all know that the Senate will not have the majority needed to convict during his term of office. I dont think the country will survive two more years of this blatantly corrupt person.
Eliot Rosewater
(31,109 posts)It may be true but it sure as hell isnt anything until someone who doesnt lie all day long says it.
SkatmanRoth
(843 posts)Then when Trump perjures himself, indict the loser.
still_one
(92,168 posts)PoliticAverse
(26,366 posts)Eyeball_Kid
(7,431 posts)indictments occur after an investigation takes place. Mueller is still interviewing.
OhioLiberal2008
(13 posts)byronius
(7,394 posts)mac56
(17,566 posts)Welcome to DU.
OhioLiberal2008
(13 posts)Just different username I was 14 when I joined
RockRaven
(14,959 posts)It will come to light that Rudy is lying about the content of that conversation.
Also, Trump will be indicted by somebody (possibly state instead of federal, possibly by a non-Special Counsel US Attorney) prior to leaving office.
tomp
(9,512 posts)another possibility is that Mueller will issue a sealed indictment to take effect as soon as he leaves office.
humbled_opinion
(4,423 posts)Democrats to win the House, after this news if we do not take the House any report from Mueller will be filed away with no action by corrupt Repubs.
bluestarone
(16,914 posts)I'm not sure that Mueller made this statement! Giuliani's track record hasn't been that great if ya know what i mean! Hope it's a trap set for RUMPY!!!!!
Calista241
(5,586 posts)he has a press conference.
duforsure
(11,885 posts)Anything to them. Typical tactic knowing Mueller won't respond, so they just make it up as it goes along, always making it look the opposite of the truth.
matt819
(10,749 posts)I cant see Mueller ruling out this approach. And then telling trumps lawyers that he has.
And even if he did, that may have been the case on the day and time he said it. But new revelations could change that, I would hope. For example, when the president elect received $282 million as a commission and when the Chinese government agrees to pay a $500 million To support of Trump project in Indonesia, Imho this changes the ball game.
elmac
(4,642 posts)Rollo
(2,559 posts)RainCaster
(10,869 posts)Civic Justice
(870 posts)Indite more of the Russian Oligarchs, and many of the big money people playing in the shadows, and make the indictment clear so that it cast the needed shadow on all the Republican who endorsed this madness, and then Indite the gangster(s) he has been working with for decades, and take their money (guaranteed, the mob gangsters) will then take care of the rest.
bluestarone
(16,914 posts)I just worry about RUMP pardons for the next 3 years!
berni_mccoy
(23,018 posts)Perseus
(4,341 posts)Lets vote the whole bunch of gop crooks out of office, that should be the goal, make trump a lame duck while not allowing pence to take office and not allowing gop bad ideas to make it to the floor, then in 2020 lets vote to get a good, intelligent, and as honest as possible president that will in fact, restore USA's credibility and standing around the World.
Even if trump can be indicted, the solution is to vote them out of office, pence is a danger because he is so screwed up but such a good actor that he will make people think that all is well, and maybe even get re-elected.
Solution: VOTE, VOTE...
rockfordfile
(8,702 posts)What do you do with crooks? They should not just be able to go back home. Then the crooks will just keep doing the same thing. Roger stone is still doing all of the typical un-American crap he did in the past.
TeamPooka
(24,221 posts)Marcuse
(7,479 posts)flotsam
(3,268 posts)just out of habit...
EndGOPPropaganda
(1,117 posts)Mueller did not clearly say he "can't indict a president".
Giuliani said that Mueller said instead that he "can't violate the Justice Department rules".
And the rules, enunciated last in a memo in 2000, say that a sitting President can't be put ON TRIAL.
https://www.cnn.com/2018/03/28/politics/walter-dellinger-president-can-be-indicted-don-lemon-cnntv/index.html
"Although the thoughtful opinion from the Office of Legal Counsel is persuasive in establishing that a president cannot be put on trial, it addresses only briefly the question of whether he could simply be indicted but not tried," he wrote in The New York Times op-ed.
Plus, the Justice Department can CHANGE their rules at any time. The OLC could have issued a new memo. Giuliani is wishcasting.
Here's Giuliani's words:
"The Justice Department memos going back to before Nixon say that you cannot indict a sitting president, you have to impeach him. Now there was a little time in which there was some dispute about that, but they acknowledged to us orally that they understand that they can't violate the Justice Department rules," Giuliani said.
"We think it's bigger than that. We think it's a constitutional rule, but I don't think you're ever going to confront that because nobody's ever going to indict a sitting president. So, what does that leave them with? That leaves them with writing a report," said Giuliani.
It would then be up to the House of Representatives to decide what to do about with the special counsel's report -- and whether to pursue articles of impeachment.
moondust
(19,972 posts)It has never been tested and therefore I'm afraid it could end up being essentially a political decision at SCOTUS much like Bush v. Gore.
Achilleaze
(15,543 posts)no man is above the law. Lock him up.
Cicada
(4,533 posts)Apparently DOJ did research during Clinton special persecutor. They concluded there was no dispositive authority but that the structure of the constitution leads to conclusion no indictment.
Of course once the president leaves office he can be indicted. And a state or local prosecutor can indict.
Javaman
(62,521 posts)and at the end of the day, that's all these halfwits need to "refute" any actual truth about tRump actually being able to be indicted.