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DonViejo

(60,536 posts)
Wed May 23, 2018, 12:19 PM May 2018

NFL owners approve team-by-team national anthem policy, will allow players to remain in locker room

Source: The Washington Post



By Mark Maske
May 23 at 12:03 PM

ATLANTA — NFL owners approved a new national anthem policy Wednesday that gives individual teams the authority to set their own anthem-related rules and permits players to remain in the locker room during the playing of the anthem, according to a person familiar with the deliberations.

The new policy eliminates the current requirement from the league’s game operations manual for a player to be on the field for the playing of the anthem, allowing a player to remain in the locker room. Teams would then have the ability to set their own policy for players who choose to take the field for the anthem, including the ability to discipline a player for any protest during the national anthem.

Teams would not have the ability to force players to take the field for the anthem, however.

The new policy also is expected to contain a clause that the league could fine a team for any protest by a player on the sideline during the anthem, according to a person familiar with the owners’ deliberations. Any team that wants to allow players to protest would have to be willing to pay a potential fine by the league.

Read more: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/sports/wp/2018/05/23/nfl-owners-leaning-towards-requiring-players-to-stand-for-national-anthem-or-remain-in-locker-room/



UPDATE:

NFL's new policy on national anthem: Players, teams can be fined if they don't stand

Charles Robinson
NFL columnist
Yahoo SportsMay 23, 2018, 12:20 PM

ATLANTA – The NFL has an official rule against kneeling during the national anthem.

Following a year of hand-wringing and disagreement inside the league’s ownership ranks, team owners approved a new measure on Wednesday that gives players the option of staying in the locker room during the national anthem if they don’t wish to stand during the ceremonies. Under the new rule, players who choose to be on the field during the anthem will be required to stand. If a player or team employee is on the field during the anthem and chooses not to stand, that player’s franchise will be fined by the NFL. In turn, players and employees who choose to attend the anthem ceremonies but do not stand will also be eligible for a fine by their franchise, if the team chooses to levy one.

The league’s official statement on the policy change said, “The Commissioner will impose appropriate discipline on league personnel who do not stand and show respect for the flag and the Anthem.”




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NFL owners approve team-by-team national anthem policy, will allow players to remain in locker room (Original Post) DonViejo May 2018 OP
And the Russian Troll Bots who pushed this non story as a wedge issue in America .... Botany May 2018 #1
Another thing Fox News ruined. Initech May 2018 #2
No surprise on the first... easy answer on the second FBaggins May 2018 #4
Why do they make such a big deal about this? louis-t May 2018 #3
Because NFL viewership went down last year. Calista241 May 2018 #12
Oh for f#%k's sake PatSeg May 2018 #5
ditto! erronis May 2018 #15
Fascism relogic May 2018 #6
N.F.L. Teams Will Be Fined for Players' Anthem Kneeling. elleng May 2018 #7
Well, that is officially it for me and football. Scalded Nun May 2018 #8
Yeah...the NFL doesn't want to lose that FAT check from the Military (US taxpayers) Bengus81 May 2018 #9
There's no chance that's the reason FBaggins May 2018 #10
Tell fans in Oakland, San Diego and St. Louis that... Moostache May 2018 #18
Sorry... that's non-responsive FBaggins May 2018 #21
Free money is free money to those bastards, you see what you want...I see greed. Moostache May 2018 #22
Did you miss the last sentence? FBaggins May 2018 #24
So your saying Goodell would turn down MILLIONS over some kneeling?? Bengus81 May 2018 #31
Of course FBaggins May 2018 #32
Profiles in cowardice.. mountain grammy May 2018 #11
@#$% the NFL. Scurrilous May 2018 #13
Statement from the NFL Players Association. . . DinahMoeHum May 2018 #14
Wonder what the response would be if some of the white players gave the Nazi salute? erronis May 2018 #16
Why not require all players to kneel Frances May 2018 #17
Next time you watch any sporting event, look at the players DeminPennswoods May 2018 #19
This is all bullshit...the first time a player stays in the locker room, Joe reporter is all over it Moostache May 2018 #20
FIRST AMENDMENT RIGHTS ROB-ROX May 2018 #23
The 1st amendment only applies to the kelly1mm May 2018 #30
Form over substance. alwaysinasnit May 2018 #25
What's next? otchmoson May 2018 #26
Total bullshit. Just watch the second 1/2 to last 1/4 of the games if you must. Freethinker65 May 2018 #27
I'd say I'm boycotting but I think I've only watched maybe 5 or 6 non-Superbowl games since college. briv1016 May 2018 #28
So the league literally decided changing the rules was easier Blue_Tires May 2018 #29

FBaggins

(26,693 posts)
4. No surprise on the first... easy answer on the second
Wed May 23, 2018, 12:47 PM
May 2018

He simply isn't good enough to justify the salary he insists on. On most teams, he likely drives away more fans than he attracts - which certainly has an impact on "what is he worth?" conversations.

Calista241

(5,584 posts)
12. Because NFL viewership went down last year.
Wed May 23, 2018, 01:17 PM
May 2018

rightly or wrongly some owners attributed that decline to protest backlash.

PatSeg

(46,773 posts)
5. Oh for f#%k's sake
Wed May 23, 2018, 12:48 PM
May 2018

What the hell is patriotic about football anyway? Americans attend plenty of public events where the national anthem is not played. The NFL is a lucrative commercial enterprise and the owners care about money, not flags.

This is such a non-issue.

relogic

(155 posts)
6. Fascism
Wed May 23, 2018, 12:57 PM
May 2018

Clearly, one of the aspects of our new, normal, fascist order included in our national sports (see video of 1930’s era German extravaganzas). Any insufficient tribute to our military, America first loyalty is met with fines, demeaning by the dear leader or threats of violence.

Sports, like all institutions has been cleverly hijacked by the cynics of free speech.

Scalded Nun

(1,231 posts)
8. Well, that is officially it for me and football.
Wed May 23, 2018, 01:01 PM
May 2018

Interest has been tapering off with all of the demands on cities to host, haven't cared much for it since Kaepernick got screwed, and this just seals the deal.

Bengus81

(6,907 posts)
9. Yeah...the NFL doesn't want to lose that FAT check from the Military (US taxpayers)
Wed May 23, 2018, 01:02 PM
May 2018

that they've received every year since 2009. That is the ONLY reason that players suddenly had to be on the field for the NA,before that they were in the locker room and then came out and NO ONE was offended.

Such BS..........

FBaggins

(26,693 posts)
10. There's no chance that's the reason
Wed May 23, 2018, 01:08 PM
May 2018

The military paid them a few million over several years. There's no way that's enough money for them to make significant changes.

Moostache

(9,895 posts)
18. Tell fans in Oakland, San Diego and St. Louis that...
Wed May 23, 2018, 01:56 PM
May 2018

These NFL owners are greedy sons of bitches, every one of them. Relocation was approved so that each of the other owners could pocket a few extra million dollars a year in fees. These bastards are capable of way more greed than you seem to believe...

FBaggins

(26,693 posts)
21. Sorry... that's non-responsive
Wed May 23, 2018, 02:08 PM
May 2018

The DOD and Guard combined for a couple million per year for the entire league.

The league would make more by just running an additional ad on TV instead of televising the anthem.

Moostache

(9,895 posts)
22. Free money is free money to those bastards, you see what you want...I see greed.
Wed May 23, 2018, 02:11 PM
May 2018

Greed for every last nickel and if a policy costs them the change in their couch, it would be voted down by those rat bastards.

Please feel free to continue wealth worshiping and water carrying for them all you wish, I'm not buying.

FBaggins

(26,693 posts)
24. Did you miss the last sentence?
Wed May 23, 2018, 02:48 PM
May 2018

They would make more money by skipping the anthem and running one extra commercial per game.

Lots more.

Bengus81

(6,907 posts)
31. So your saying Goodell would turn down MILLIONS over some kneeling??
Wed May 23, 2018, 08:50 PM
May 2018

So what if the NFL cut is only a couple million per year,it's millions the NFL has received since 2009 for doing nothing except having players on the sidelines instead of in the locker room.

FBaggins

(26,693 posts)
32. Of course
Wed May 23, 2018, 10:41 PM
May 2018

I'm saying in most cases it was closer to $10,000 for a given team for the year... and he wouldn't "turn it down for kneeling" because they weren't paid for "having players on the sidelines"... that was what was paid for some ceremony/recognition/swearing in/etc. The military didn't pay to have players on the sidelines for national anthems.

mountain grammy

(26,568 posts)
11. Profiles in cowardice..
Wed May 23, 2018, 01:15 PM
May 2018

So in the future will we be displaying the Russian flag and play the Russian anthem and everyone be required to stand and salute our new masters.

I love football. Fuck you, Republicans. I'll try to give it up.

erronis

(14,941 posts)
16. Wonder what the response would be if some of the white players gave the Nazi salute?
Wed May 23, 2018, 01:29 PM
May 2018

Let's make this really interesting.

I've been to only a couple of "professional" (read COMMERCIAL) sports games over the years (DC Senators vs. Minn. Twins, and KC Chiefs on their run-up to the Super Bowl - long time ago.)

I hate pro sports (except tennis) for all the commercial and in-your-face sudo-patriotic reasons. I have worked in a few environments where the boys (and some girls) spend 20-50% of their workday after a game dissecting shit. To me it's non-facts - it is just opinions about something so ephemeral that even the historians of 100 years from now will know WTF.

Frances

(8,531 posts)
17. Why not require all players to kneel
Wed May 23, 2018, 01:33 PM
May 2018

As a way of showing respect for the brave men and women who fought for our country in the past and those who are fighting for it today

DeminPennswoods

(15,246 posts)
19. Next time you watch any sporting event, look at the players
Wed May 23, 2018, 02:06 PM
May 2018

standing there listening to the anthem. Most of them aren't paying the least attention. I'll bet the majority of players decide to stay in the locker room. It's not like the national anthem playing is shown on TV. That's when the networks get in a bunch of commercials.

Moostache

(9,895 posts)
20. This is all bullshit...the first time a player stays in the locker room, Joe reporter is all over it
Wed May 23, 2018, 02:07 PM
May 2018

And as soon as the questions ("why weren't you at the anthem today? don't you love America enough?&quot start flowing from the press, then the whole "issue" in the NFL's estimation is right back center stage...

This was never about protesters or the flag, it is, was and ever shall be about control. About telling those "uppity" players to get back in their box and shut up. About "not letting the inmates run the asylum" as one of those genius owners said last year.

This issue made lots of old white men with money feel that they could extract some kind of historical revenge on African-American athletes, a sort of reversal in the face of John Carlos and Tommie Smith from their youthful days of yore. This idea that fans were actually offended (really offended, not the Fox News 'I'm-so-offended-I-can't-think-straight' offended) was always smoke and mirrors and more right wing bullshit.

Fuck the NFL. That league is ripe for an extended fall and needs to go.

ROB-ROX

(767 posts)
23. FIRST AMENDMENT RIGHTS
Wed May 23, 2018, 02:30 PM
May 2018

I am a veteran, and I see a constitutional concern. This purely entertainment industry's solution is to break the law, and stop people from using their first amendment rights. I see the far right TOTALLY ignoring this issue even though it is a constitutional concern. I really hope whole teams wait in the locker room during the "flag time." My protest is to avoid watching NFL............

kelly1mm

(4,719 posts)
30. The 1st amendment only applies to the
Wed May 23, 2018, 06:38 PM
May 2018

Government punishing speech. Does not apply in this case at all.

alwaysinasnit

(5,037 posts)
25. Form over substance.
Wed May 23, 2018, 03:31 PM
May 2018

Apparently right-wingers forget that the flag is a symbol of the Constitution, so that in criticizing people for not respecting the flag, they are stomping all over the 1st Amendment. Ironic????

Also, if I am not mistaken, the NFL is a tax-exempt organization. In discriminating, or attempting to curb behavior based on the content of the speech or expression, then perhaps there might be a basis to sue the NFL for civil rights violations, over and above any rights included in the collective bargaining agreement between the players and the NFL.

otchmoson

(67 posts)
26. What's next?
Wed May 23, 2018, 03:35 PM
May 2018

After they stand for the anthem, will they soon be required to kneel for a christian prayer in this christian nation?

Freethinker65

(9,928 posts)
27. Total bullshit. Just watch the second 1/2 to last 1/4 of the games if you must.
Wed May 23, 2018, 03:41 PM
May 2018

My 20 year son and his friends rarely watch the weekly games, and certainly can not afford to attend them in person. The NFL will continue to lose viewership.

briv1016

(1,570 posts)
28. I'd say I'm boycotting but I think I've only watched maybe 5 or 6 non-Superbowl games since college.
Wed May 23, 2018, 03:41 PM
May 2018

So, yea.

Blue_Tires

(55,445 posts)
29. So the league literally decided changing the rules was easier
Wed May 23, 2018, 04:12 PM
May 2018

than acknowledging unarmed black folks getting shot by cops is a legitimate political issue??

Guess this fall will be soccer-only for me....

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