Most Americans don't realize Robert Mueller's investigation has uncovered crimes

[brooklynite]

Source: Vox

A majority of Americans — 59 percent — say in a new survey that Robert Mueller’s investigation into Russia and the 2016 campaign has not yet uncovered evidence of any crimes, even though in reality, Mueller has already obtained five guilty pleas and 17 criminal indictments.

That’s according to a new survey from Navigator Research that looks at Americans’ view of the probe and ought to reshape the debate over the Russia investigation’s role in both media coverage and Democratic Party messaging.

As you may know there is currently an investigation going on right now into Donald Trump's 2016 presidential campaign and any Russian Government involvement in the 2016 election. How much have you heard about this investigation?
49 Heard a lot
32 Heard some
15 Head a little
3 Heard nothing at all

To the best of your knowledge, has the investigation uncovered any crimes?
41 Yes
59 No

Read more: https://www.vox.com/2018/5/23/17384096/mueller-investigation-poll

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[RKP5637]

1. Somehow, this does not surprise me. IMO most Americans are clueless about a lot of things. n/t

[Judi Lynn]

2. Ignorance and apathy. Don't know, and they don't care. I believe it. n/t

[RKP5637]

5. It really gets rather depressing. It's far worse than I've imagined. Especially, as you say,

they don't care.

[lagomorph777]

16. That's how treason takes root.

American apathy may spell doom.

I hope we can crack through the bubble of ignorance.

[RKP5637]

19. If democrats do not do well in the 2018 elections, that will be an extremely ominous sign. n/t

[lagomorph777]

20. Agreed.

[Mr.Bill]

4. There will always be people

who will watch Laverne and Shirley reruns instead of the news. And reading any news is completely out of the question. Unless you consider People magazine news.

[RKP5637]

6. Quite true. Then suddenly they wake up and say WTF, how did that happen. n/t

[dalton99a]

3. A basic fact that should be in the Democratic messaging to counter the GOP's propaganda campaign.

[RKP5637]

8. I've always found democratic messaging to be woefully lacking ... missed opportunities and often

weak or no response.

[noneof_theabove]

42. Not really....

it is a matter of comparison.

The Rethugs shout shit from the roof tops so that all the Goobers and those with an IQ less than room temperature will finally, finally, finally believe, believe, believe it, it, it.

Dems have a more truthful approach but that is "boring".

Which one of the 3 classes do you belong in?
1) Pessimist - the glass is half empty.
2) Optimist - the glass is half full.
3) Realist / Scientist - you got the wrong glass.
4) Red Voter - Sam Adams commercial it's not about 1/2 full or 1/2 empty but filling up the glass.

[flibbitygiblets]

26. I think also the problem is, most Americans think corruption is a given

They think anyone you put in office, they're corrupt, and aren't terribly surprised when it comes out. I think most people still think that Hillary would have been under investigation by this point as well. So they tune out to save their sanity. I know so many people who do this.

That's why targeted ads for those who care about corruption could be helpful, but for most folks, that's still another version of "vote for us, we're not Trump". We need a real message that is based on real ideas. Problem is, no one seems to have any of those.

[Oneironaut]

7. The right wing media complex repeats this lie over and over again

It’s not ignorance. They know this fact. They’re liars. They purposely repeat the lie that Mueller’s investigation hasn’t gone anywhere. In reality, it has been highly successful. The facts are the facts.

[RKP5637]

10. It's basically BS and psyops these days, full propaganda. n/t

[comradebillyboy]

9. The 'liberal media' are more focused on Trump's theatrics than

they are on the facts. Trump is entertaining TV and that gets viewers attention more than boring facts.

[RKP5637]

12. I've turned it off a number of times. I get tired of seeing Trump's antics over and over

again ... he knows that well, and MSM gets good ratings and $$$$'s from his entertainment value.

[lagomorph777]

17. Rachel always says (praphrasing) "Watch what he does, not what he says."

I mute him whenever he appears on TV; I only want to know how long until we can flush Turd down the toilet.

[Botany]

11. This is in a large part because of the GOP/Trump/Fox News/hate talk propaganda

"If you tell a lie big enough and long enough a number of the people will believe it." J Gobbels (very rough quote)

You have many Americans who still think Hillary is guilty of something to do with her emails,
President Obama wasn't born in America, and that Donald Trump is a successful businessman
because of the non stop brain washing. Cambridge Analytica w/the help of Facebook and Russia
took this to a new level in 2016.

To Trump voters the charges of Trump working with Russia vindicates what Trump has been
telling them about "the deep state" and "spigot."

[RKP5637]

14. That's what one of my lawyer friends says they are taught early on in law school. Just

keep saying the same lie(s) over and over again and eventually they will be believed by a jury, for example.

[Botany]

21. Did you know that President Obama was going to bring in Hamas fighters after the 2012 ....

.... election to take away people's guns and to get a third term? BTW he was going to use
the U.N. to do it. I was told that crap after the 2012 election by a man who runs a big charity.
Since I had to be around him for some work all I could say was, "I didn't know that."

But take heart sometime soon NOBODY WILL WANT TO BE SEEN W/TRUMP after his treason
is exposed.

[nevergiveup]

13. This is why we have Donald Trump as our president.

[Drunken Irishman]

15. There's many reasons mentioned in this thread but the biggest is that most Americans are detached...

Most Americans don't read the newspaper anymore. Most Americans don't watch the nightly news anymore. Most Americans don't watch cable news anymore. Most Americans are completely removed from the news beyond major breaking stories. And the fact is, unless it's some big fish who's getting jail time for the crimes, it's unlikely to trickle down. You can't blame FOX News for this or even the right-wing news because most Americans don't interact with that media avenue.

The only way it's going to hit average Americans is if it's someone really close to Trump going to jail - like his son in law. Then that's major news. The rest? They're names people don't know.

[chowder66]

24. It would have been good to know from that poll how the 59%

get their news and how often which to me is weird that no one thought to ask that question.

[asiliveandbreathe]

32. I hope this answers your question -

Adam Geller is the founder and CEO of the Republican polling firm, National Research Inc.

As one of the pollsters for the Donald J. Trump for President campaign, Adam’s responsibilities included all polling and strategic recommendations for the key Rust Belt states of Michigan, Wisconsin and Iowa – the states that, along with Pennsylvania, completely shattered the “Blue Wall” for Democrats and delivered President Trump’s victory.

[chowder66]

34. That answers it. Thanks.

Too bad Vox went on to state it's the democrats and media messaging not doing enough without knowing more. While that might be valid how can anyone be sure if no one knows how these people are getting what little news, if any at all? If they all responded they watch Fox news or listen to conservative radio then what would Vox summarize as the problem?

Polls are so annoying.

[asiliveandbreathe]

35. You have to wonder - on what ONLINE site did they run this ONLINE survey..

Brietbart - and others - pathetic..for Vox to fall for this..where is Ezra Klein..

[chowder66]

41. More good questions. I should have looked up that polling site so thanks for doing that. nt

[JI7]

18. It's the failure of the media. They air the rantings of ther liar

And equate it to actual facts.

[asiliveandbreathe]

33. Nope -

Adam Geller is the founder and CEO of the Republican polling firm, National Research Inc.

As one of the pollsters for the Donald J. Trump for President campaign, Adam’s responsibilities included all polling and strategic recommendations for the key Rust Belt states of Michigan, Wisconsin and Iowa – the states that, along with Pennsylvania, completely shattered the “Blue Wall” for Democrats and delivered President Trump’s victory.

[procon]

22. That's how Fox News spins their reporting, and they have a gazillion field agents

repeating their lies and propaganda. From affiliate channels, associated websites, bloggers, emailed alerts, hate radio, and opinionated experts, that massive echo chamber ripples around the country 24/7. Even the MSM stations and the semi-left leaning MSNBC repeat the false and misleading stories that originate on Fox News, and they all have a cottage industry of paid contributors spouting rightwing lies.

Given all that, it isn't surprising to see the widespread effects of state endorsed propaganda that hides behind the Fox News logo.

[FSogol]

37. +1 n/t

[GusBob]

23. Hate to go all Godwins law

But very educated Germans fell for Hitler. They just didn't catch on to the slow build up of authoritarianism. They thought they were smart, and free.

Americans ain't tearing up the IQ fruit these days and their freedom is in peril as well

But as posted up thread, the continual lying is having it's effect. The wise and educated Germans fell for it too

[ck4829]

25. Kick

[BamaRefugee]

27. 45% know that BY GOD THEM UPPITY NEGROES BETTER KNEEL AT FUHBALL GAMES!

[Hoyt]

28. That's what we are up against, and we better face it.

[BlueJac]

29. Fox news is to thank for that

[asiliveandbreathe]

30. Navigator Research...

This edition features findings from a national online survey of 1,017 registered voters conducted May 11-16, 2018. Two hundred (200) additional interviews were conducted among self-identified independents.

I am surprised the 59% isn't higher..how many of us take online surveys....

[asiliveandbreathe]

31. National Research.....OF COURSE -

Adam Geller is the founder and CEO of the Republican polling firm, National Research Inc.


As one of the pollsters for the Donald J. Trump for President campaign, Adam’s responsibilities included all polling and strategic recommendations for the key Rust Belt states of Michigan, Wisconsin and Iowa – the states that, along with Pennsylvania, completely shattered the “Blue Wall” for Democrats and delivered President Trump’s victory.

[lame54]

36. That's the advantage Trump has...

He puts the Bully in Bully Pulpit

[BobTheSubgenius]

38. People will look back and say:

"Man, that Handmaid's Tale was prophetic."

I hope they will be elbowed aside, but the evangelical right has a lot of juice in today's political climate.

[Kablooie]

39. Trump controls the conversation by repeating his lies over and over and over.

If you repeat a lie often enough, people will believe it, and you will even come to believe it yourself. - Joseph Goebbels, Hitler's Propaganda Minister

This is Trump's primary philosophy and it works.
People will believe anything, no matter how ludicrous, if they hear it often enough.

He knows that he can win the public over to his side by repeating, ad infinitum, his lies without reservation.
The media report his lies over and over which magnifies the effect on the public.
Rarely do they call them out as lies, they are just reported as what Trump said.
Everything is geared towards propagating his lies just as they did during the election and he knows it.

I am beginning to lose faith that justice will be done in Trump's case.
He won the election with his criminal dishonesty and I believe he may remain in power and continue to destroy out democracy with out any checks or retribution using the same technique.

Mueller has the goods on him but that makes no difference if Congress decides to ignore his crimes.

I hope we will win both houses in November but there is a lot of time before that for Trump to use his lies to build back up his voting base.

[SHRED]

40. Dumbfuckistan