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Blue_Adept

(6,397 posts)
Wed May 30, 2018, 10:45 AM May 2018

Russian journalist Arkady Babchenko, who was reported killed in Kiev, shows up at a news conference

Source: Associated Press




BREAKING: Russian journalist Arkady Babchenko, who was reported killed in Kiev, shows up at a news conference in Ukraine.



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Russian journalist Arkady Babchenko, who was reported killed in Kiev, shows up at a news conference (Original Post) Blue_Adept May 2018 OP
Journalist Babchenko Alive, Not Slain, Ukraine's Security Service Says Blue_Adept May 2018 #1
ABC News: Russian journalist Arkady Babchenko, who was reported killed in Kiev, shows up at a news Blue_Adept May 2018 #3
Having read variety of news reports in the reported death, the world response condemning Fred Sanders May 2018 #5
Murder was staged, see post below. n/t KY_EnviroGuy May 2018 #7
It's a miracle!!! n/t tazkcmo May 2018 #2
This message was self-deleted by its author lapfog_1 May 2018 #4
Here - on BBC.. KY_EnviroGuy May 2018 #6
Damn that's crafty Blue_Adept May 2018 #8
Did it work? Were the agents caught and in custody now? Where the foreign ministers of Fred Sanders May 2018 #9
Indeed Blue_Adept May 2018 #10
This, and more will come out... KY_EnviroGuy May 2018 #11
Putin is steaming. This was a clever ruse! BigmanPigman May 2018 #12
More info here, BP.... KY_EnviroGuy May 2018 #13
His wife apparently, but who knows, thought her husband dead....was there a funeral?? Fred Sanders May 2018 #15
None of it makes any sense. LisaL May 2018 #14

Blue_Adept

(6,397 posts)
1. Journalist Babchenko Alive, Not Slain, Ukraine's Security Service Says
Wed May 30, 2018, 10:46 AM
May 2018

AP is the only trustworthy source I'm seeing so far but this one is coming up alongside it

BREAKING: The head of Ukraine’s Security Service (SBU) says Russian journalist and Kremlin critic Arkady Babchenko is still alive, a day after Ukrainian authorities announced he had been killed by a gunman at his apartment in Kyiv.

https://www.rferl.org/a/lavrov-rejects-any-russian-role-in-babchenko-murder-kyiv-russia-/29258933.html

Blue_Adept

(6,397 posts)
3. ABC News: Russian journalist Arkady Babchenko, who was reported killed in Kiev, shows up at a news
Wed May 30, 2018, 10:48 AM
May 2018
https://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory/russian-journalist-arkady-babchenko-reported-killed-kiev-shows-55531784

"Russian journalist Arkady Babchenko, who was reported killed in Kiev, shows up at a news conference in Ukraine."

No more.

Fred Sanders

(23,946 posts)
5. Having read variety of news reports in the reported death, the world response condemning
Wed May 30, 2018, 10:51 AM
May 2018

Russia, Britain, USA, France, etc., and now this all turns out to be Ukrainian propaganda or a massive error? Was there even a body, shot in the back in a Kielce apartment? Who was that guy??

What is the difference between propaganda, fake news and dales news?

It is becoming almost impossible to separate truth from fact and so step 1 of fascism has taken root, not helped by this.

Response to Blue_Adept (Original post)

KY_EnviroGuy

(14,489 posts)
6. Here - on BBC..
Wed May 30, 2018, 10:54 AM
May 2018
'Murdered' Russian journalist Arkady Babchenko is alive
Link: http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-44307611

(snip)
Mr Babchenko, a high-profile critic of of the Kremlin, appeared at a press conference on Ukrainian television on Wednesday.

The head of Ukraine's security services, Vasyl Hrytsak, said at the press conference that the 'murder' had been staged to expose Russian agents.

............

Fred Sanders

(23,946 posts)
9. Did it work? Were the agents caught and in custody now? Where the foreign ministers of
Wed May 30, 2018, 11:03 AM
May 2018

world nations and allies informed, because then they too were in on it?

Really, WTF this still makes no sense. Who the fuck to believe anymore, ever, on Russia.

The World Cup is days away...propaganda and fake news and double fake news will be everywhere.

Not defending Russia, just saying propaganda cuts both ways now more than ever.

Blue_Adept

(6,397 posts)
10. Indeed
Wed May 30, 2018, 11:30 AM
May 2018

This is the kind of stuff where even the most astute and on top of things kind of folks blink and go WTF

KY_EnviroGuy

(14,489 posts)
11. This, and more will come out...
Wed May 30, 2018, 11:30 AM
May 2018

From: http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-44307611
(snips)

The head of Ukraine's security services told reporters the "murder" had been staged after Ukraine learned of a Russian plot to kill the journalist.

The journalist was reportedly found by his wife bleeding at the entrance to his block of flats, shot several times in the back, and died in an ambulance. It was not immediately clear how exactly the murder was staged.

Police said that they had made one arrest in connection with the extraordinary operation.


Now, that's some spooky stuff!.......

KY_EnviroGuy

(14,489 posts)
13. More info here, BP....
Wed May 30, 2018, 06:17 PM
May 2018

more complex than I had envisioned:

See: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/may/30/arkady-babchenko-reveals-he-faked-his-death-to-thwart-moscow-plot
(snips)

Details of the precise threat to Babchenko’s life were murky. Vasyl Hrytsak, the head of the SBU, said Russia’s spy agencies had contacted a middleman, identified only as G, and paid him $40,000 to arrange the murder. The middleman in turn approached a former Ukrainian volunteer soldier to carry out the hit, together with additional “terrorist acts”, he said.

The middleman was now in custody, Hrytsak said, showing video of a middle-aged, white-haired man being bundled by officers into a van. Hrytsak added that phone intercepts had revealed his contacts in Moscow. Dozens of contract killings had been averted, he suggested, claiming that the list of potential victims in Ukraine stretched to 30 names. The Ukrainian suspect was supposed to buy a large quantity of weapons and explosive, including 300 AK-47 rifles and “hundreds of kilos of explosives”, Hrytsak alleged.

.......

Fred Sanders

(23,946 posts)
15. His wife apparently, but who knows, thought her husband dead....was there a funeral??
Thu May 31, 2018, 12:34 PM
May 2018

The whole thing continues to confuse and confound and still something not right because of course info is being withheld...the trial should be behind interesting.

What does this do to the credibility of journalism, everywhere?

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