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Initech

(100,038 posts)
Thu May 31, 2018, 12:00 AM May 2018

State House passes Equal Rights Amendment -- 95 years later

Source: Chicago Sun Times

SPRINGFIELD—The Illinois House made history on Wednesday, allowing for the state to become the 37th in the country to ratify the Equal Rights Amendment designed to protect Americans against discrimination based on their sex.

Nearly a century after the amendment was drafted, the Illinois House voted 72-45 to ratify it following more than two hours of debate. Illinois House Speaker Mike Madigan stood behind the speaker’s podium in the House chambers to watch the historic vote. The Illinois Senate voted to approve it in April.

While the vote may be symbolic — the country needs one more state to ratify the amendment — the state’s passage creates a window of opportunity for the embattled constitutional amendment. The state is where the efforts seized in 1982. Only 35 of the necessary 38 states ratified the amendment before the 1979 deadline set by Congress. The deadline was extended to 1982, but that made no difference as Illinois and other states remained firmly against the proposal.

After the state Senate approved the ERA in April, Deputy Majority Leader Lou Lang and Republican state Rep. Steven Andersson, R-Geneva, took time to try to muster the bipartisan 71 votes needed to approve the constitutional amendment.

Lawmakers shared impassioned personal stories of their upbringings, their daughters and their lives in the military. Some argued it was moot to push for an amendment that was created in the early 20th century.

Read more: https://chicago.suntimes.com/working/dawn-of-an-era-state-house-passes-equal-rights-amendment-half-a-century-later/



We need this now more than ever! Especially with Orange Douche and the deplorables taking over!
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State House passes Equal Rights Amendment -- 95 years later (Original Post) Initech May 2018 OP
What I'm wondering, who voted against, and why? Archae May 2018 #1
Yes! LittleGirl May 2018 #2
Land of Lincoln, eh? KY_EnviroGuy May 2018 #3
What happens if they get 38? Tiggeroshii May 2018 #4
The only way to know for sure it for it to happen (the matter will be determined by the courts... PoliticAverse May 2018 #7
Thank you!! Tiggeroshii May 2018 #8
There was an interesting argument made when NV ratified this last year BumRushDaShow May 2018 #13
Wow. This was my Mom's big issue. She went door to door 40 years ago drumming up support. Midnight Writer May 2018 #5
Jim Thompson, Governor at the time, murielm99 May 2018 #10
I, too, remember those days well. Laffy Kat May 2018 #11
Icbtiseufd Silver1 May 2018 #6
So if one more state Matthew28 May 2018 #9
Nope (IMHO) FBaggins May 2018 #14
In 1939, the SCT indicated that it is up to Congress to decide whether the ratification is effective onenote May 2018 #18
So? FBaggins Jun 2018 #19
Message auto-removed Name removed May 2018 #12
K&R demmiblue May 2018 #15
I remember this Jimbo S May 2018 #16
There's debate whether an "expiration" date applies DeminPennswoods May 2018 #17
Yes and no FBaggins Jun 2018 #20
95 years ago it was 1923 and there was no ERA yet FiveGoodMen Jun 2018 #21
Here's a site that has all the states that have ratified. geardaddy Jun 2018 #22
Thanks for the link FakeNoose Jun 2018 #23
I would love for Phyllis to have to look up... 47of74 Jun 2018 #24

PoliticAverse

(26,366 posts)
7. The only way to know for sure it for it to happen (the matter will be determined by the courts...
Thu May 31, 2018, 01:39 AM
May 2018

as there will be a legal challenge to a decision on the matter one way or the other).

If you are interested in the specific ratification process (and who makes the decisions), see:
https://www.archives.gov/federal-register/constitution

BumRushDaShow

(128,441 posts)
13. There was an interesting argument made when NV ratified this last year
Thu May 31, 2018, 05:55 AM
May 2018
NOTE: Below from March 2017 -

Nevada Ratifies The Equal Rights Amendment ... 35 Years After The Deadline

March 21, 20173:34 PM ET
Heard on Morning Edition

Updated at 10 a.m. ET Thursday

Nevada has ratified the Equal Rights Amendment — roughly 35 years after a deadline imposed by Congress. On Wednesday, the state Senate approved the long-dormant ERA, which among other things guarantees that "equality of rights under the law shall not be denied or abridged by the United States or by any state on account of sex." The senators passed a measure sent to them by the state Assembly, which had already approved it earlier this week.

It has been a long, twisty path for the ERA, which was first passed by Congress in 1972 and last approved by a state (Indiana) in 1977. The amendment teetered just three states short of the threshold necessary to see it adopted into law nationwide — a threshold it failed to achieve by the time Congress' deadline came and went. But for ERA supporters such as Democratic state Sen. Pat Spearman, that deadline is little more than a paper tiger. "It was in the resolving clause, but it wasn't a part of the amendment that was proposed by Congress," she tells KNPR. "That's why the time limit is irrelevant."

After all, Spearman and others argue, Congress' original ratification deadline was 1979, and national lawmakers already bumped that forward to 1982 — so what's stopping them from bumping it forward again? "The Equal Rights Amendment is about equality, period," says Spearman, the Nevada bill's chief sponsor. A former Army lieutenant colonel and one of two openly gay senators in the Legislature, she says that regardless of timing, the goals of the amendment endure.

https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2017/03/21/520962541/nevada-on-cusp-of-ratifying-equal-rights-amendment-35-years-after-deadline


So the suggestion is that Congress could move the deadline forward again.... but another suggestion was that any "deadline" on an Amendment is arbitrary and not needed because there is no mechanism in the Constitution itself that actually requires a "time frame" for passage -

Thirty-five years past a deadline set by Congress, Nevada ratifies the Equal Rights Amendment
By David Montero


Mar 20, 2017 | 6:55 PM | Las Vegas

The ERA was first proposed in 1920s, but Congress didn't pass it until 1972. The key part of its text reads: "Equality of rights under the law shall not be denied or abridged by the United States or by any state on account of sex."

Thirty-eight state legislatures needed to ratify the proposed amendment, but it fell short by three when the deadline expired in 1982. Many credit the defeat to the Eagle Forum, a conservative lobbying group, and its founder Phyllis Schlafly, who argued among other things that it would open women to being drafted into the military and combat.

Once the expiration date passed, groups such as the National Organization for Women adopted a "three-state strategy" in hopes of getting to the three-quarters goal needed for ratification. Some have suggested the 1982 deadline was arbitrary and believe Congress didn't have the power to set a deadline for passage.

Terry O'Neill, president of NOW, said she hoped Nevada's ratification would embolden some other states like Virginia and Illinois to follow the Silver State's lead. "Now it's a two-state strategy," she said. "It's very exciting. Over the past five years, Illinois and Virginia have come close. I think there is clear interest in this."

http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-nevada-era-2017-story.html


Of course the other side of the coin is that some states have or might rescind their votes all these years later so who knows....

BUT with this ratification by IL, the one state left mentioned in my linked articles that could put it over the threshold is VA, and that is certainly do-able given VA's shift to purple and continuing to move blue.

Midnight Writer

(21,712 posts)
5. Wow. This was my Mom's big issue. She went door to door 40 years ago drumming up support.
Thu May 31, 2018, 01:07 AM
May 2018

She was shocked that it couldn't pass. That anyone thought this was a bad thing.

She died in 1990.

murielm99

(30,717 posts)
10. Jim Thompson, Governor at the time,
Thu May 31, 2018, 03:07 AM
May 2018

said he would support the amendment. He didn't. It didn't pass.

Our state had the misfortune to be home to Phyllis Schlafly. She worked hard against the amendment.

A lot of it was about abortion. But I remember a lot of debate about the horror of same sex bathrooms and women serving in combat, or being drafted into the military. How times have changed. (Or maybe not). Yet we have a female Senator who served in combat and lost her legs.

I am sorry your mom missed out on this. How wonderful that she worked for the passage of this amendment!

Laffy Kat

(16,373 posts)
11. I, too, remember those days well.
Thu May 31, 2018, 03:29 AM
May 2018

A lot of work in the long run and huge disappointment. And now here I am in 2018 actually more worried about reproductive rights than I was back then during the big ERA campaign. It's so frustrating.

Silver1

(721 posts)
6. Icbtiseufd
Thu May 31, 2018, 01:29 AM
May 2018

That's my own handy dandy internet acronym for

"I Cant Believe This Is Still Even Up For Discussion"!!!

I want to say more, but at the moment my mind is swinging between one profanity to another.

So many people are sleeping, so wake up!

FBaggins

(26,721 posts)
14. Nope (IMHO)
Thu May 31, 2018, 12:30 PM
May 2018

Last edited Thu May 31, 2018, 01:21 PM - Edit history (3)

It would have to be ratified by one more state AND win a court case saying that the initial deadline was invalid AND win a court case saying that the five states that voted to rescind their earlier ratification can't do that. That would have to be in the face of a Supreme Court ruling at the time that those questions were moot because time had run out and the amendment had failed.

[On edit - Oh... and the "no time limit in Article V" argument would have to get past a century-old precedent (Dillon v Gloss - unanimous) saying that Article V implies that ratification must occur within a reasonable period and that Congress has the power to define that period. ]

It would almost certainly open up a larger conversation forcing politicians of all stripes to go on the record (which would then influence any elections being held around that time), but I can't see a plausible path for it to actually get through the courts.

onenote

(42,585 posts)
18. In 1939, the SCT indicated that it is up to Congress to decide whether the ratification is effective
Thu May 31, 2018, 11:51 PM
May 2018

FBaggins

(26,721 posts)
19. So?
Fri Jun 1, 2018, 08:43 AM
Jun 2018

If Congress decided to just declare it ratified now, do you think the Supreme Court would just say "not our problem"?

Keep in mind that the mootness statement I mentioned above comes from a more recent case where they were asked to determine the validity of states withdrawing their prior ratification and whether or not Congress could change the expiration date (and whether that could be by a simple majority). Note what they said and what they did not say.

Notably missing was anything like "these are not justiciable questions because Congress decides these things"

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Jimbo S

(2,958 posts)
16. I remember this
Thu May 31, 2018, 10:12 PM
May 2018

Don't recall the exact year, but remember spending the weekend in a southside Milwaukee hotel between baseball games while the Illinois chapter of NOW was holding their convention there in protest of Illinois Legislature's inaction.

DeminPennswoods

(15,265 posts)
17. There's debate whether an "expiration" date applies
Thu May 31, 2018, 11:40 PM
May 2018

or not. If one more state ratifies the amendment, we'll see where things go. But I would not, at least at this point, call Illinois' passage of the amendment moot.

FBaggins

(26,721 posts)
20. Yes and no
Fri Jun 1, 2018, 08:45 AM
Jun 2018

There was a debate and it reached the Supreme Court. They determined that the remaining issues were moot because the amendment had already failed (because the date had passed). If they contemplated that a new date could be set later on the same amendment... the issue would not have been moot.

FakeNoose

(32,579 posts)
23. Thanks for the link
Fri Jun 1, 2018, 06:33 PM
Jun 2018

I'm shocked that Virginia never ratified it. WTF?

I was living in New York when all this happened and everyone there thought it was a no-brainer. Nowadays I'm back in my home state of Pennsylvania and I'm happy that PA was also an early adopter of the ERA.

Maybe this Illinois action will breathe new life into the issue. It seems we liberals have a lot to be hopeful for this year. But we can't get sidetracked from our main task which is to TAKE BACK the CONGRESS this year.

 

47of74

(18,470 posts)
24. I would love for Phyllis to have to look up...
Sun Jun 3, 2018, 06:14 AM
Jun 2018

...from where she lives these days and see a Constitution with an ERA Amendment

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