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Thu May 31, 2018, 03:27 PM

Samantha Bee apologizes for vulgar remark about Ivanka Trump: 'I crossed a line'

Source: CNN

Samantha Bee has apologized for calling White House senior adviser and first daughter Ivanka Trump a "feckless c***" on her TBS show Thursday.

"I would like to sincerely apologize to Ivanka Trump and to my viewers for using an expletive on my show to describe her last night. It was inappropriate and inexcusable. I crossed a line, and I deeply regret it," Bee said in a statement.

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Bee's network added in a statement of its own that the host took "the right action in apologizing for the vile and inappropriate language."

"Those words should not have been aired," TBS said. "It was our mistake too, and we regret it."

The clip of Bee making the remark has since been pulled from YouTube and Twitter.

Read more: http://money.cnn.com/2018/05/31/media/samantha-bee-apologizes-ivanka-trump/index.html

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Reply Samantha Bee apologizes for vulgar remark about Ivanka Trump: 'I crossed a line' (Original post)
Calista241 May 2018 OP
The Velveteen Ocelot May 2018 #1
jb5150 May 2018 #2
BigmanPigman May 2018 #3
tazkcmo Jun 2018 #51
The Mouth May 2018 #4
Trust Buster May 2018 #5
ProudMNDemocrat May 2018 #6
Honeycombe8 May 2018 #33
AZTerrier May 2018 #7
Eliot Rosewater May 2018 #8
TomCADem May 2018 #12
dembotoz May 2018 #14
.99center May 2018 #17
AZTerrier May 2018 #23
Liberalagogo May 2018 #35
Eliot Rosewater Jun 2018 #46
Liberalagogo Jun 2018 #50
RhodeIslandOne May 2018 #36
Calista241 May 2018 #25
flying_wahini May 2018 #30
brooklynite Jun 2018 #45
Eliot Rosewater Jun 2018 #47
moriah May 2018 #29
marble falls May 2018 #32
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dansolo Jun 2018 #40
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Coventina May 2018 #10
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Response to Calista241 (Original post)

Thu May 31, 2018, 03:29 PM

1. At least she didn't try to blame it on Ambien.

And of course she should have apologized - that word is definitely over the line.

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Response to Calista241 (Original post)

Thu May 31, 2018, 03:39 PM

2. No ....

I think that word fits her perfectly.

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Response to Calista241 (Original post)

Thu May 31, 2018, 03:40 PM

3. The GOP will naturally compare her with Roseanne.

Roseanne was and is a racist and conspiracy monger and has used her show as propaganda for her crazy "Alex Jones" attitude. Kathy Griffin and Sam Bee are also comedians but there is a difference. They aren't racists and RW nut jobs, Roseanne is. She has used her platform to promote her and the moron's hate filled prejudices. Kathy and Sam are like the comedian at the W House Correspondents Dinner, Michelle Wolfe. This is like comparing apples and oranges which the GOP spin machine will use twist to suit their agenda. His base will eat it up.

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Response to BigmanPigman (Reply #3)

Fri Jun 1, 2018, 03:35 PM

51. And some Democrats

And DU Democrats.

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Response to Calista241 (Original post)

Thu May 31, 2018, 03:40 PM

4. Way over the line.

Simply inappropriate regardless of any context.

Besides, I'm sure Ivanka has neither the warmth nor the depth.

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Response to Calista241 (Original post)

Thu May 31, 2018, 03:42 PM

5. Directing the "C-word" on television towards any woman is inexcusable. She should be fired.

 

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Response to Calista241 (Original post)

Thu May 31, 2018, 03:43 PM

6. No place for such referrences....



Shame on Samantha Bee. She did not have to go there.

She apologized and her words should have consequences as well.

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Response to ProudMNDemocrat (Reply #6)

Thu May 31, 2018, 07:37 PM

33. I agree. The c word for women is the equivalent of the N word for Af Americans....

Not AS bad, but it's similar. It has no place in public, whether in a joke or political discussions. She should suffer some consequences, but I don't think should be fired. A fine, maybe, if her employment contract allows for that.

I give professional comedians wide latitude to make mistakes because their job involves going to the edge, pushing the envelope. Sometimes they're bound to cross the line. Bee was in a standup routine.

Roseanne...totally different. Her tweet was a whistle call to white supremacists everywhere, using the comparison to that animal, which dates back to beginnings of the KKK to dehumanize blacks. She also typed it, so had a little more time to think about it, than when it spills out of your mouth in a standup routine. She'd also done a similar thing to Susan Rice. So Roseanne knew what she was doing.



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Response to Calista241 (Original post)

Thu May 31, 2018, 03:45 PM

7. She needs to go

 

The c-word is as offensive to women as the n-word is for African Americans. I was stunned when she said it, and I don’t care if she apologized. She should resign or be fired.

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Response to AZTerrier (Reply #7)

Thu May 31, 2018, 03:47 PM

8. Uh huh, you bet.

sigh

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Response to AZTerrier (Reply #7)

Thu May 31, 2018, 04:03 PM

12. If so, then so does Trump

Nt

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Response to AZTerrier (Reply #7)

Thu May 31, 2018, 04:15 PM

14. bullshit plain and simple

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Response to AZTerrier (Reply #7)

Thu May 31, 2018, 04:19 PM

17. If you think Samantha Bee's vulgarity is equivalent to racism

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Response to .99center (Reply #17)

Thu May 31, 2018, 05:02 PM

23. She needs to go

 

What happened to “When they go low, we go high!”? Valerie Jarret was right on when she described the vulgar Rosanne comment as a “teachable moment”. What Samantha Bee said was so offensive as to be indefensible. If we are to hold ourselves up to higher ideals than the Trump crowd, she needs to go.

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Response to AZTerrier (Reply #23)

Thu May 31, 2018, 08:06 PM

35. The only person that needs to go is

 

You. And take your self-righteousness with you.

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Response to Liberalagogo (Reply #35)

Fri Jun 1, 2018, 01:44 PM

46. DU is targeted by you know who, they pretend to be liberals and

chime in on topics like this which seem to create an ethical problem for liberals.

This issue does not, of course, because liberals are honest and decent and while liberals dont seek the use of the word, given the target the word itself is the LAST thing anyone should care about.

Horrible, vile people who steal from the poor, I could go on but it wont change anything.

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Response to Eliot Rosewater (Reply #46)

Fri Jun 1, 2018, 03:19 PM

50. I just see this time and again

 

The purist attitude, that "liberals" are supposed to have, and we're supposed to be better than everyone else. It led to our downfall with Hillary (that and the Russian thing), and the ousting of Franklin. Well I'm sorry, but if name-calling is what the RW wants, then that's what they're gonna get. And, people have been calling male figures "dicks" for years and years, and I see no outrage. So when it's appropriate, the c-word is gonna get used. I have no problem with Samantha Bee, she just speaks the truth.

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Response to AZTerrier (Reply #23)

Thu May 31, 2018, 09:01 PM

36. "What happened to "When they go low, we go high!"?"

That was before a rapist racist was installed in the White House. Drop that shit and enjoy your stay.

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Response to .99center (Reply #17)

Thu May 31, 2018, 05:05 PM

25. Why don't you mansplain it to all women out there some more.

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Response to .99center (Reply #17)

Thu May 31, 2018, 07:17 PM

30. Thanks for that! I agree that Sam B isn't even close to what Roseanne said.

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Response to .99center (Reply #17)

Fri Jun 1, 2018, 08:43 AM

45. It doesn't have to be "equivalent"; it has to be "inappropriate" in its own right...

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Response to brooklynite (Reply #45)

Fri Jun 1, 2018, 01:46 PM

47. Nah, fuck that all to hell.

One side are traitors and soon we will see killers.

The other side arent, I dont want to hear one WORD of complaints about using a word to describe one of the traitorous monsters.

Not for one second do I want to hear that shit.

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Response to AZTerrier (Reply #7)

Thu May 31, 2018, 05:59 PM

29. That's up to TBS, she'll likely get an offer from HBO if so, though.

Obviously they have absolutely no issues with that word on their network, and no FCC issues (wbich still ruled in Colbert's favor for his homophobic rant about Trump and Putin).

Actually, could be a better career move.

The reason why this *is* slightly different from recent events is 1) Bee doesn't have a history of advocating for misogyny and 2) Bee is certainly aware of the impact of the word from her own experiences having it directed at her so while yes she should have known better, I'm actually more offended by the rest of the monologue -- the suggestion Ivanka use the totally pervy vibe he has demonstrated towards her to influence him.

Obviously shock value humor is Bee's gig -- but some things aren't funny. Misogynistic insults aren't funny even if it's the one word in the English language that still has the power to shock all of America in every context. Incest jokes are not only not funny but just fucking sick, I really actually feel sorry for Ivanka having to deal with a Dad that says that type of thing and a media that thinks it's funny rather than sick.

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Response to AZTerrier (Reply #7)

Thu May 31, 2018, 07:35 PM

32. As a woman she obviously owns that word. I'm stunned she used it, but then again, as a woman...

she owns the word. You and I don't get to use it.

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Response to Calista241 (Original post)

Thu May 31, 2018, 03:52 PM

9. How smart is she really if she makes such a blatant obvious mistake as she did?


I would have thought that at the least it would be obvious that it does nothing to advance the causes she stands for and actually damages them.

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Response to Bernardo de La Paz (Reply #9)

Fri Jun 1, 2018, 06:20 AM

40. This also drowned out the news about the actual death toll in Puerto Rico

Samantha Bee was so bothered by the lack of response after Hurricaine Maria that she dedicated an entire episode of her show about it, actually going down there and talking with the people there. But when the news comes out about how many people (US citizens) died and how much the govt underreported it, all the media could talk about was Rosanne's tweet and Samantha Bee's use of the 'c' word. For that, she should be especially ashamed.

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Response to dansolo (Reply #40)

Fri Jun 1, 2018, 06:43 AM

41. Somebody tallied MSM coverage: 30 minutes death toll vs 600 minutes the c-word.


The MSM has blood on its hands.

It seems there may be more profit in amplifying controversies over false equivalencies of language versus deaths of (mostly) people of color.

A tweeter reposted on DU made the excellent point that Bee used misogynistic language AGAINST a misogynistic racist regime and Barr used racist language to SUPPORT a misogynistic racist regime.

There is no equivalency.

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Response to Calista241 (Original post)

Thu May 31, 2018, 03:54 PM

10. Ivanka is allowed to be offended when she denounces her dad

for sexually objectifying her.

Otherwise, it's just hypocrisy.

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Response to Coventina (Reply #10)

Thu May 31, 2018, 05:40 PM

28. Ivanka can brag about Daddy calling her a 'piece of ass'.

Ivanka can brag about Daddy calling her a 'piece of ass'.
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Response to Calista241 (Original post)

Thu May 31, 2018, 04:03 PM

11. Maybe it drew some attention to her new show!

She needs it.

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Response to Calista241 (Original post)

Thu May 31, 2018, 04:11 PM

13. stopped watching Bee a while ago

sorry to say. I just don't like her delivery.

I also hate that word.

Dumb move on Bee's part and on TBS' part.

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Response to Calista241 (Original post)

Thu May 31, 2018, 04:16 PM

15. Ted Nugent called Hillary Clinton the same thing and got invited to Trump's White House

But I guess that's different.

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Response to More_Cowbell (Reply #15)

Thu May 31, 2018, 04:58 PM

22. IOKIYAR eom

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Response to More_Cowbell (Reply #15)

Thu May 31, 2018, 07:45 PM

34. Yes, it's different.

Samantha Bee should have used the word "p*ssy" - it is an officially approved White House word!

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Response to Calista241 (Original post)

Thu May 31, 2018, 04:16 PM

16. sam bee was 100 percent correct

she told the god damn truth

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Response to Calista241 (Original post)

Thu May 31, 2018, 04:40 PM

18. She should have taken her cue from Trump

and called Ivanka a "feckless pussy". Good enough for daddy using that word.

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Response to Calista241 (Original post)

Thu May 31, 2018, 04:53 PM

19. I can understand how some people are willing to give her a pass on this.

We're dealing with people who have no standards and no decency, and who are utterly without shame. As someone upthread pointed out, Ted Nugent called HRC the same thing and still got an invite to the White House.

The question I would ask is "Do we really want to be like these people?" When Ted Nugent said that, every person of conscience was outraged, and rightly so. That's the most offensive thing a woman can be called, and it's never appropriate. I don't care who it's aimed at.

Either standards of decency and propriety matter... or they don't. If something is wrong, it's wrong. Full stop. Just because so-and-so did it first doesn't make it acceptable for someone else to do it. That's a childish defense. I feel that giving one's own side a pass while condemning the other side is hypocrisy, pure and simple.

I also feel that hypocrisy and the utter lack of standards and decency should be left in the GOP playbook. I'm not willing to become a monster in order to win against monsters. Politics is one of those slippery games where principles gradually shift and start to erode, but if we're willing to compromise any and all principles in the pursuit of victory, then how does that make us any better than our opponents?

I think that Samantha Bee should resign. If she were a conservative commentator, everyone here would be demanding her head on a platter before close of business. If the standard doesn't apply to her, then why should it apply to the next conservative who uses a misogynistic slur?

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Response to Jedi Guy (Reply #19)

Thu May 31, 2018, 05:37 PM

27. Agree

"I think that Samantha Bee should resign. If she were a conservative commentator, everyone here would be demanding her head on a platter before close of business. If the standard doesn't apply to her, then why should it apply to the next conservative who uses a misogynistic slur?

ONE STANDARD.

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Response to Calista241 (Original post)

Thu May 31, 2018, 04:55 PM

20. Sorry

but no woman should be called that word. Don’t care for Ivanka like the rest of you, but no excuse for using that word.

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Response to Calista241 (Original post)

Thu May 31, 2018, 04:56 PM

21. I love Samantha, but that was too much, that said,

Ivanka is a sorry person and from reading her posts, she seems very shallow, just knows how to look pretty. To me, the worst thing she did was when she and her husband drank champagne with "Bebe" while the Israeli soldiers were gunning down Palestinian children.

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Response to dem in texas (Reply #21)

Thu May 31, 2018, 05:05 PM

24. Good thing

There were no Israeli soldiers gunning down Palestinian children except in twisted anti-Semitic fantasy land.

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Response to Calista241 (Original post)

Thu May 31, 2018, 05:14 PM

26. You'd think...

someone, a writer, producer, sound guy or other would have said, guys, maybe
we should hold off on the C word for now. RW gets a talking point and Sam loses
cred...

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Response to wcmagumba (Reply #26)

Fri Jun 1, 2018, 08:04 AM

42. My Take On This

and the Roseanne episode is that comedians start getting the idea that they are too cool for school and start thinking it is OK for them to talk this way. I think both women have to know that what they said is not generally accepted as appropriate public talk. Likening someone to an ape? Calling someone, anyone, a c--- in public? Not generally accepted. But they thought they had a pass because they generally get away with potty-mouth-in-public and lost sight of the fact that even they have a line.

Samantha Bee, whom I think is sometimes hilariously funny, does say some things that I consider over the top, inappropriate, and very unfunny. And frankly unnecessary to her comedy.

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Response to Calista241 (Original post)

Thu May 31, 2018, 07:27 PM

31. Shit. Love Sam Bee, but she crossed the line on this one.

Unfortunately ABC has set the bar for a response to this kind of behavior. The question is: does calling a woman a c*nt equal calling a black woman an ape?

I want the answer to be "no," but I'm not so sure. I hope Sam doesn't lose her show over this one. Comedians have been punished before -- Bill Maher comes to mind -- so I'm taking a wait-and-see position with my fingers crossed.

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Response to LastLiberal in PalmSprings (Reply #31)

Fri Jun 1, 2018, 08:09 AM

43. Equality Notwithstanding

Name calling does not serve any legitimate purpose in either context, or any other that I can think of. It's ignorant playground behavior that has taken the place all to often of intelligent argument.

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Response to LastLiberal in PalmSprings (Reply #31)

Fri Jun 1, 2018, 08:34 AM

44. Absolutely. But fwiw, imo the answer is emphatically no.

To me common usage of these terms confers huge differences.

Many people behave like c*nts, assholes, dicks. As a woman I dislike and don't use this particular vulgarity, but the world's full of them and sometimes I smile and agree with comments that do. When used hatefully to demean women as women, it is very similar to the other in ugliness, but it was not used that way by Bee.

But the other is always intensely hate-ful, never just a vulgarity. It's a factory-level dog whistle that, as intended, immediately identifies the user as on the ugly, aggressively hateful side of a very strong line.

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Response to Hortensis (Reply #44)

Fri Jun 1, 2018, 09:34 PM

53. Well said!

And I agree with you 100%.


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Response to Calista241 (Original post)

Thu May 31, 2018, 09:09 PM

37. Autotrader and State Farm have pulled their ads from

Sam Bee’s show.

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Response to christx30 (Reply #37)

Fri Jun 1, 2018, 01:47 PM

48. Fuck them all to hell

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Response to Calista241 (Original post)

Thu May 31, 2018, 09:31 PM

38. Horsehockey!

Her apology should have been, "I'm sorry, I meant to say 'feckless asshole".

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Response to Calista241 (Original post)

Thu May 31, 2018, 11:47 PM

39. There's plenty of jokes to make about Ivanka without using

bad language.

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Response to Calista241 (Original post)

Fri Jun 1, 2018, 01:58 PM

49. I hate the c word but I love Samantha Bee

I would never use that word, but I agree totally with the context she used it in.

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Response to Calista241 (Original post)

Fri Jun 1, 2018, 07:40 PM

52. T-Shirts of trump supporters, during the campaign:

"She's a CUNT---Vote Trump"

"TRUMP 2016: Fuck Your Feelings"

"TRUMP THAT BITCH---Before It's Too Late"

A photo of trump morons proudly wearing these shirts is currently in wide distribution on Facebook. You'll pardon me if I don't give much of a shit about how these sub-humans feel about Sam Bee's comment.

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Response to Calista241 (Original post)

Fri Jun 1, 2018, 10:48 PM

54. Sam was kind of like a black rapper

using the N-word in a rap song. Have black rappers who have done that been booted from the music industry? It matters who uses the word and in what context.

Roseanne, on the other hand, by invoking the racist/white supremacist meme reinforces and perpetuates a deep social problem that has plagued the U.S. and the world for centuries.

JMO

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Response to Calista241 (Original post)

Fri Jun 1, 2018, 11:50 PM

55. ivanka is not....

feckless.....

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Response to Calista241 (Original post)

Sat Jun 2, 2018, 12:04 AM

56. Thank, GAWD Sam Bee didn't call the Princess a Vapid Cow.

There'd be blood in the streets... BLOOD IN THE STREETS. (Not just on Faux and Frauds)

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Response to Calista241 (Original post)

Sat Jun 2, 2018, 04:37 AM

57. Samantha Bee apologized; however,

the word she used is an apt descriptor of ALL the women in Trump's family... they stand mute while their meal-ticket tears families apart, hurls racist and sexist insults in all directions, mocks the disabled and generally fucks the entire nation and world...

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