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brooklynite

(94,376 posts)
Wed Jun 20, 2018, 07:45 AM Jun 2018

Trump "boxed in," won't back down on family separation

Source: Axios

Speaking to House Republicans at the Capitol last evening, President Trump admitted the political pressure over family separations at the border is growing. But a top aide said Trump "doesn't want to look weak" by backing down.

What we're hearing: Trump told members that his daughter Ivanka Trump had talked to him about the images of children, and told him what a problem they are, Axios' Caitlin Owens reports. But Trump left any solution up to Congress.

What Trump is thinking ... A senior administration official, after Axios asked whether Trump thinks the family separation issue is a political winner because it makes him look “hardcore” on the border:

“Not at all. He's doing it to press the case with Congress. He's moved personally, but also doesn't want to look weak. He feels boxed in, is frustrated and knows it's bad politics — but also understands it's not a fight he can back down from."

Read more: https://www.axios.com/donald-trump-child-border-family-separation-boxed-in-1dc47dc3-a7ae-4847-a0ec-ef52ea4806f9.html

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Trump "boxed in," won't back down on family separation (Original Post) brooklynite Jun 2018 OP
I'm going to screw with little children because it makes me look good. Dread Pirate Roberts Jun 2018 #1
Makes him look "strong" to torture babies. Sure, real men do that. lagomorph777 Jun 2018 #21
Ivanka is no better than her father. madaboutharry Jun 2018 #2
I'm sure she knows how to talk to him... targetpractice Jun 2018 #7
Really RobinA Jun 2018 #13
Zero tolerance. C_U_L8R Jun 2018 #3
Abusing children make him look weak duforsure Jun 2018 #4
oh yes, the world bdamomma Jun 2018 #10
this is the first major crisis for the GOP to handle that if they do nothing, ther will be slaughter beachbum bob Jun 2018 #5
Yes, I agree...and you used a great word..."slaughter" That is what will happen if this is not Stuart G Jun 2018 #8
November will be a slaughter for the GOP, or a slaughter for the whole world. lagomorph777 Jun 2018 #22
when we start to take back control and direction beachbum bob Jun 2018 #27
Silent Republicons not working to stop it are complicit & evil. Their family value harms children Bernardo de La Paz Jun 2018 #25
Trump wants to be a tough guy. Like Kim Jong Un and Duterte and Putin. DetlefK Jun 2018 #6
He's a fucking bully bdamomma Jun 2018 #9
Those 4 words define him perfectly.."He's a fucking bully" ...you got it. Stuart G Jun 2018 #12
It's only going to get worse TNLib Jun 2018 #11
if there are deaths of these children bdamomma Jun 2018 #15
Intentionally permanently damaging and hurting these children duforsure Jun 2018 #14
Keep him boxed in until after the midterms. truthisfreedom Jun 2018 #16
Put him in a cage in the desert. lagomorph777 Jun 2018 #23
This is the way Trump negotiates Progressive dog Jun 2018 #17
the irony is: he already is a weak "leader". nt Javaman Jun 2018 #18
Irrational stubbornness is weakness, not strength. He's appealing to his hard core, 15% of electorat Bernardo de La Paz Jun 2018 #19
Fine. Here's your shovel, asshole. hatrack Jun 2018 #20
If he won't back down..then..TRUMP IS THE BIGGEST, STUPIDEST FOOL IN THE WORLD.. Stuart G Jun 2018 #24
He has no good options C_U_L8R Jun 2018 #26
That would increase his odds of living long enough to die of natural causes. lagomorph777 Jun 2018 #29
Imitating Kim nature-lover Jun 2018 #28
All he has to do is let Congress end this shit, he can stand back shug his shoulders and .... marble falls Jun 2018 #30
Oh, so it's the 'images of separated children' and not the policy that's the problem, eh, Ivanka? Hugin Jun 2018 #31
So he can't "back down" from a fight. ginnyinWI Jun 2018 #32
I wish tRump really was boxed in or cage in, just as the children are n/t Julian Englis Jun 2018 #33
Ironic if the Children ended up Cha Jun 2018 #34
He has always lived in a box. Orsino Jun 2018 #35

Dread Pirate Roberts

(1,896 posts)
1. I'm going to screw with little children because it makes me look good.
Wed Jun 20, 2018, 07:48 AM
Jun 2018

Think about what kind of sick diseased mind comes up with that logic.

lagomorph777

(30,613 posts)
21. Makes him look "strong" to torture babies. Sure, real men do that.
Wed Jun 20, 2018, 09:39 AM
Jun 2018

Goddamned monster. He and his entire filthy family will pay for this for the rest of their short, miserable lives.

madaboutharry

(40,190 posts)
2. Ivanka is no better than her father.
Wed Jun 20, 2018, 07:49 AM
Jun 2018

"Trump told members that his daughter Ivanka Trump had talked to him about the images of children, and told him what a problem they are.."

Apparently her comments to her father were about what a problem the "images are." Not about the immorality and horror of the policy.

targetpractice

(4,919 posts)
7. I'm sure she knows how to talk to him...
Wed Jun 20, 2018, 07:57 AM
Jun 2018

I'm not defending her generally... But, growing up with a narcissist myself... You learn that they only think about things as far as how they relate to them. She's probably dealt with his personality disorder all her life, and I'm sure that she's acquired those traits herself.

RobinA

(9,886 posts)
13. Really
Wed Jun 20, 2018, 08:40 AM
Jun 2018

You have to approach people where they are, not where you think they should be.

Not:

Ivanka - Ya know Dad, this separating children from their parents is downright immoral and not what America should be about.

Trump - I don't care, I'm the Man. Nobody can tell me what to do, I'm King of the World. Plus, Obama...

Better:

Ivanka - Dad, you are right about having to enforce the law and all, but it really looks bad to people who believe the fake news and think you are taking babies away from their mothers. Plus, the failing NYT is printing pictures. Women cry when they hear about mothers losing their babies, like that girl on the news last night. Maybe if you fire someone big the fake news will focus on that and then you can back off a little with the kids and everyone will forget the whole thing.

duforsure

(11,885 posts)
4. Abusing children make him look weak
Wed Jun 20, 2018, 07:51 AM
Jun 2018

And hurting these children permanently intentionally makes him look criminal. Isn't this high crimes enough ? This has to stop now, or he'll take it to a higher level of abusing children and people with. he needs to be asked to resign after doing this to children . This country will never be looked upon again as a beacon unless he's removed for this now. The world is watching who we are as a nation, good, or evil.

bdamomma

(63,803 posts)
10. oh yes, the world
Wed Jun 20, 2018, 08:03 AM
Jun 2018

is watching and there are many ex pats out there who I can imagine are wondering we are not on a very good path now. This is not us, I want to see justice done to Stephen Miller and Steve Bannon.

 

beachbum bob

(10,437 posts)
5. this is the first major crisis for the GOP to handle that if they do nothing, ther will be slaughter
Wed Jun 20, 2018, 07:52 AM
Jun 2018

for them in Nov 2018

Stuart G

(38,414 posts)
8. Yes, I agree...and you used a great word..."slaughter" That is what will happen if this is not
Wed Jun 20, 2018, 07:58 AM
Jun 2018

"handled correctly" (your words) very soon.

lagomorph777

(30,613 posts)
22. November will be a slaughter for the GOP, or a slaughter for the whole world.
Wed Jun 20, 2018, 09:41 AM
Jun 2018

Which will it be? It's up to us.

 

beachbum bob

(10,437 posts)
27. when we start to take back control and direction
Wed Jun 20, 2018, 09:54 AM
Jun 2018

any thing else, we are all fucked. As the fall of the American dream will be complete


putin is so happy its working out so well

bdamomma

(63,803 posts)
9. He's a fucking bully
Wed Jun 20, 2018, 08:01 AM
Jun 2018

and he will pay dearly for what he has done to these children and parents.

Why is talking about being weak we all know he is a coward and a despicable shell of whatever.

TNLib

(1,819 posts)
11. It's only going to get worse
Wed Jun 20, 2018, 08:31 AM
Jun 2018

It's expected that we will have 20,000 children in detention camps by the end of August.

Asylum seekers that have already been released can't find their children. No one seems to know what's going on with the girls and toddlers, parents are given phone numbers to find out about their kids and those phone numbers don't work. DHS won't let the press in to see what's going on but from reports of what we know it sounds like Chaos.

As these dentition camps fill up with babies the problem is only going to get worse he's creating a human catastrophe at the border.

bdamomma

(63,803 posts)
15. if there are deaths of these children
Wed Jun 20, 2018, 08:43 AM
Jun 2018

that will be it add those deaths to the deaths of those in Puerto Rico, then he will be like Assad in Syria.

duforsure

(11,885 posts)
14. Intentionally permanently damaging and hurting these children
Wed Jun 20, 2018, 08:40 AM
Jun 2018

Can never be accepted , or WE have become a shxthole country also. Child abuse is a crime against humanity, and this has to stop from trump being forced by Congress to reverse this , or they'll take measures against his remaining in office, and if they don't god help us for what they're doing to this country.

Progressive dog

(6,899 posts)
17. This is the way Trump negotiates
Wed Jun 20, 2018, 08:58 AM
Jun 2018

He creates a crisis and gets concessions from the other side to fix the crisis he created. He is not bluffing, he is a terrorist who will stop at nothing to win. This time he is holding children hostage to extract a border wall.
The "opposition" from other Republicans to ripping children from their parents is not real. They will return to blaming Democrats for their leaders policies after they've extorted enough concessions.
These are terrorists who have taken control of our country. They are now working to make that control permanent.
We know that the only possible response to terrorism is to refuse any concessions. We know that Trump and his allies are terrorists. No concessions can be the only response.

lagomorph777

(30,613 posts)
29. That would increase his odds of living long enough to die of natural causes.
Wed Jun 20, 2018, 10:05 AM
Jun 2018

But like most dictators, he thinks he's the exception; he's the smart one who won't end up hanging upside-down in the public square, urinated on by every passerby.

nature-lover

(1,468 posts)
28. Imitating Kim
Wed Jun 20, 2018, 10:01 AM
Jun 2018

He is delusional and truly believes that people love him and that he is strong and popular. His campaign rally this week will reinforce this belief.

marble falls

(57,014 posts)
30. All he has to do is let Congress end this shit, he can stand back shug his shoulders and ....
Wed Jun 20, 2018, 10:07 AM
Jun 2018

tell his ever shrinking group of suppoters to elect another Congress. Bingo, he walks out from underneath it.

Hugin

(33,059 posts)
31. Oh, so it's the 'images of separated children' and not the policy that's the problem, eh, Ivanka?
Wed Jun 20, 2018, 10:10 AM
Jun 2018

A chip off the old Tangerine Idi Amin that one is...

ginnyinWI

(17,276 posts)
32. So he can't "back down" from a fight.
Wed Jun 20, 2018, 10:19 AM
Jun 2018

Thinks it makes him look weak.

No matter how bad the decision was, he's going to ride it to the end. Or at least until he can shift all the blame onto someone else. I don't think blaming Democrats has gotten much traction.

So now he tosses it to Congress. They alone can fix it!

Coward! Craven Coward! You think only of yourself, first and formost. Your political well being. Let everyone else just rot.

This is no leader. And this is extremely weak, not strong at all. We all know it. When you have dug yourself into a hole, stop digging!

He is doing himself lasting political damage, if that's any consolation. This makes Bush's Katrina look so tame.

Orsino

(37,428 posts)
35. He has always lived in a box.
Wed Jun 20, 2018, 11:55 AM
Jun 2018

It's just become less comfortable these days.

He thinks backing down would make him look weak, not realizng that that's exactly what the damned box is made of.

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