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elleng

(130,870 posts)
Wed Jun 20, 2018, 12:27 PM Jun 2018

Trump Plans Executive Order to End Family Separation

Source: nyt

President Trump is preparing to issue an executive order as soon as Wednesday that ends the separation of families at the border by indefinitely detaining parents and children together, flouting a court settlement that prohibits that move, according to a person familiar with the White House plans.

Stories of children being taken from their parents and images of teenagers in cage-like detention facilities have exploded into a full-blown political crisis for Mr. Trump and Republican lawmakers, who are desperate for a response to critics who have called the practice “inhumane” and “evil.”

Mr. Trump has for weeks refused to simply end his government’s “zero tolerance” policy that led to the separation of more than 2,300 children from their parents, saying that the alternative would be to fling open the nation’s borders and allow immigrants who cross the border illegally to remain in the country.

But the president, furious about the pummeling he has taken in recent days, has been casting about for an escape from the crisis, people familiar with his thinking said. Officials at the Department of Homeland Security are preparing the executive order that is designed to end the family separations.



Read more: https://www.nytimes.com/2018/06/20/us/politics/trump-immigration-children-executive-order.html?

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Trump Plans Executive Order to End Family Separation (Original Post) elleng Jun 2018 OP
The Only Possible End Roy Rolling Jun 2018 #1
This... LastLiberal in PalmSprings Jun 2018 #19
Yeah, y'know what Trump's plan is C_U_L8R Jun 2018 #2
Also get ready for the preening that he stopped the big bad loser Democrats. forgotmylogin Jun 2018 #6
REUNITE ALL CHILDREN WITH THEIR PARENTS - I want to hear those words.. asiliveandbreathe Jun 2018 #3
And what is this referring to? jayschool2013 Jun 2018 #4
I think this has to do with "zero tolerance" and charging them with a crime SFnomad Jun 2018 #11
Thanks. NM jayschool2013 Jun 2018 #13
Thanks for this...So Obama used civil courts..... LeftInTX Jun 2018 #40
The damage is irreversible bucolic_frolic Jun 2018 #5
Too late.... Liberalagogo Jun 2018 #7
Yes, and with their newfound hatred of the US these kids will be ripe for terrorist indoctrination groundloop Jun 2018 #21
These immigrants have been wronged and must be welcomed for all of our sake. nature-lover Jun 2018 #27
I will believe it when I see it and after Rachel reads the fine print. nt Hekate Jun 2018 #8
too late, the damage is done elmac Jun 2018 #9
What happened to "It's the Democrats doing it." briv1016 Jun 2018 #10
maybe an International Crimes Tribunal of some kind elmac Jun 2018 #12
They should throw the book at them now, duforsure Jun 2018 #16
I would like them to go after the whole country elmac Jun 2018 #20
Which is admitting he knew what he did , duforsure Jun 2018 #14
BINGO mobeau69 Jun 2018 #26
Reunification for already detained? mahannah Jun 2018 #15
It had better be his resignation letter, otherwise it is insufficient. (n/t) FreepFryer Jun 2018 #17
+1! KPN Jun 2018 #35
Like a Serial Killer Claiming Credit... TomCADem Jun 2018 #18
Yes, he did. And it was all because of the Democrats. mobeau69 Jun 2018 #24
pressure works, dammit DonCoquixote Jun 2018 #22
Fake News! mobeau69 Jun 2018 #23
The sad thing is, this is all self-inflicted wounds on Trump's part. apnu Jun 2018 #25
lol he doesnt want it ended, he wants it escalated. Volaris Jun 2018 #34
This will end when Dotard anti Christ is brought up to the world court for crimes against humanity workinclasszero Jun 2018 #28
If it doesn't include orders to reunite 100% of the children with their mothers, it's worthless. LastLiberal in PalmSprings Jun 2018 #29
Why does he even need an EO? apnu Jun 2018 #31
Because he really liked "show-and-tell" as a kid. LastLiberal in PalmSprings Jun 2018 #41
Too much of a pr disaster for them kimbutgar Jun 2018 #30
Beneath the bully exterior is the cowardly lion DeminPennswoods Jun 2018 #32
If zero tolerance this will not work without Dems Snellius Jun 2018 #33
"(Trump)...has been casting about for an escape from the crisis..." LudwigPastorius Jun 2018 #36
I hadn't known the temperature was 65 degrees that day in Milwaukee. Thanks for the information. LastLiberal in PalmSprings Jun 2018 #42
from everything heaven05 Jun 2018 #37
Coming from trump means nothing as much as he lies duforsure Jun 2018 #38
I'm with Chris Murphy on this one... PunkinPi Jun 2018 #39

Roy Rolling

(6,915 posts)
1. The Only Possible End
Wed Jun 20, 2018, 12:29 PM
Jun 2018

He will declare victory and go home, saying he issued the Executive Order to overcome Democrats' opposition to helping children.

19. This...
Wed Jun 20, 2018, 12:58 PM
Jun 2018

I think the final straw for Donnie Two Scoops was when the member of the Nobel Committee said, "No Prize for you if you keep up this inhumane policy."

I agree, he will find some way to blame the Democrats (and Obama, for good measure), and cast himself as the savior of the country.

C_U_L8R

(45,000 posts)
2. Yeah, y'know what Trump's plan is
Wed Jun 20, 2018, 12:31 PM
Jun 2018

He'll reunite the families and toss them in some concentration camp hellhole out in the middle of the desert. Just out of racist-fueled spite. He really is that small of a president.

forgotmylogin

(7,527 posts)
6. Also get ready for the preening that he stopped the big bad loser Democrats.
Wed Jun 20, 2018, 12:38 PM
Jun 2018

If he rolls back this policy, that's great. Hopefully, we can undo much of the damage already done, but ConDon cannot be allowed to claim this as a "win" for himself.

asiliveandbreathe

(8,203 posts)
3. REUNITE ALL CHILDREN WITH THEIR PARENTS - I want to hear those words..
Wed Jun 20, 2018, 12:35 PM
Jun 2018

and how this POS is going to do it..NOT ONE CHILD LEFT BEHIND>>>>

jayschool2013

(2,312 posts)
4. And what is this referring to?
Wed Jun 20, 2018, 12:37 PM
Jun 2018

The order would keep families together, though it is unclear how Mr. Trump intends to claim the legal authority to violate what have been legal constraints on the proper treatment of children in government custody, which prevented former President Barack Obama from detaining families together during a similar flood of illegal immigration two years ago.

 

SFnomad

(3,473 posts)
11. I think this has to do with "zero tolerance" and charging them with a crime
Wed Jun 20, 2018, 12:53 PM
Jun 2018

Under President Obama, a far fewer number were charged with crimes, most were charged in civil court. Those charged in civil court were not sent to jail and families could be kept together.

Those that were charged criminally went to jail. Those that go to jail had to be separated from their families, even under President Obama ... but the number was far fewer.

Under tRump's "zero tolerance" program, every single one of them is being charged criminally ... so they go to jail ... and must be separated from their children. If they're still being charged criminally, I'm not sure how tRump will be able to EO his way out of this.

bucolic_frolic

(43,142 posts)
5. The damage is irreversible
Wed Jun 20, 2018, 12:37 PM
Jun 2018

Trump EO only shows how bad his judgment really was and what an opportunitst he really is.

NO. MORAL. COMPASS.

 

Liberalagogo

(1,770 posts)
7. Too late....
Wed Jun 20, 2018, 12:38 PM
Jun 2018

the damage has been done. Just because the Shithole has been shamed into doing the right thing doesn't make this go away. These children have been abused anmd traumatized and it's not going to magically go away, no matter how hard the Shithole tries to make it do so.

groundloop

(11,518 posts)
21. Yes, and with their newfound hatred of the US these kids will be ripe for terrorist indoctrination
Wed Jun 20, 2018, 01:03 PM
Jun 2018

The damage done by Spanky's evil policy will last for years, he's just given every terrorist organization in the world fresh recruitment propaganda.

nature-lover

(1,469 posts)
27. These immigrants have been wronged and must be welcomed for all of our sake.
Wed Jun 20, 2018, 01:19 PM
Jun 2018

People who are wronged and shunned by a society will not assimilate (and who can blame them). This failure in a society will result in a next generation who are even further distanced. This outcome is not good for them or our country.

 

elmac

(4,642 posts)
9. too late, the damage is done
Wed Jun 20, 2018, 12:50 PM
Jun 2018

lets just hope there is a way for those kids and parent to sue the hell out of trump and or the federal government.

briv1016

(1,570 posts)
10. What happened to "It's the Democrats doing it."
Wed Jun 20, 2018, 12:50 PM
Jun 2018

My bet is it'll have a time limit contingent on wall funding.

 

elmac

(4,642 posts)
12. maybe an International Crimes Tribunal of some kind
Wed Jun 20, 2018, 12:53 PM
Jun 2018

can file charges against the US and the monsters who are in control.

 

elmac

(4,642 posts)
20. I would like them to go after the whole country
Wed Jun 20, 2018, 12:59 PM
Jun 2018

spread the pain, stop US citizens from travel, doing biz, ect. That would be the straw needed to break the fascists control.

duforsure

(11,885 posts)
14. Which is admitting he knew what he did ,
Wed Jun 20, 2018, 12:56 PM
Jun 2018

Then blamed the Democrats falsely for what he did. This was criminal. Anyone hurting children like this is a criminal.

TomCADem

(17,387 posts)
18. Like a Serial Killer Claiming Credit...
Wed Jun 20, 2018, 12:57 PM
Jun 2018

...because he decided to take a brake from his killing ways.

Didn’t Trump claim he had no choice but to separate children from their parents?

DonCoquixote

(13,616 posts)
22. pressure works, dammit
Wed Jun 20, 2018, 01:07 PM
Jun 2018

and we cannot forget this. Pressure, especially since trump does not bear it well.

apnu

(8,756 posts)
25. The sad thing is, this is all self-inflicted wounds on Trump's part.
Wed Jun 20, 2018, 01:11 PM
Jun 2018

Did Obama have a deportation problem? Yes. Where there marches and protests? Yes. Did he listen and change his policy? Yes. Is Obama thought of well for this change? Yes.

Yes, you can Trump.

This policy is your's and your's alone, you started it, you can end it.

What an idiot Trump is.

Volaris

(10,270 posts)
34. lol he doesnt want it ended, he wants it escalated.
Wed Jun 20, 2018, 01:50 PM
Jun 2018

he wants ONE videotape of protesters being non-non-violent and getting into a tussle with local cops (or god forbid, federal agents) that he can play in every GOP campaign ad for the midterms. He wants this ramped up so he can weaponize it for political gain.

This shits as old as Antigone...we need to make our voices heard, yes. But we also need to be careful and not take the bait he's throwing in the water.

 

workinclasszero

(28,270 posts)
28. This will end when Dotard anti Christ is brought up to the world court for crimes against humanity
Wed Jun 20, 2018, 01:22 PM
Jun 2018

It's on forever until that happens!

29. If it doesn't include orders to reunite 100% of the children with their mothers, it's worthless.
Wed Jun 20, 2018, 01:23 PM
Jun 2018

I'll give Trump props for caving into pressure -- both national and international -- to stop his policy of ripping away the kids from their mothers, but unless it also reunites all the children that were separated the nation is still confronted with the shame of having boys, girls, and babies in concentration camps and internment centers.

We (Democrats, Republicans, journalists, governors, mayors, protesters, average citizens) have got to keep the pressure on until all the children are returned to their parents.

apnu

(8,756 posts)
31. Why does he even need an EO?
Wed Jun 20, 2018, 01:26 PM
Jun 2018

Unless he had an EO starting this whole thing off, I don't see a reason for an EO, other than kabuki theater. Given that Trump is all theatrics all the time, I can see why he'd want a fake show of "work", but beyond that, what's the point?

kimbutgar

(21,137 posts)
30. Too much of a pr disaster for them
Wed Jun 20, 2018, 01:25 PM
Jun 2018

They didn’t think the outrage would be so bad. They thought everyone thought like them. This is a cowardly move on his part. He won’t admit he fucked up and will blame the Democrats today again for not stopping this disaster he created.

DeminPennswoods

(15,285 posts)
32. Beneath the bully exterior is the cowardly lion
Wed Jun 20, 2018, 01:33 PM
Jun 2018

Dems and other anti-Trumpers should never forget this. Trump is so needy, his bully act is easily overcome with just the slightest push-back (and this blowback was a lot more than that).

Snellius

(6,881 posts)
33. If zero tolerance this will not work without Dems
Wed Jun 20, 2018, 01:39 PM
Jun 2018

This policy will be thrown out by the courts. If zero-tolerance is left in place, then the parents have to be arrested. If the parents are arrested, according to Supreme Court in 1997, their family will have to be separated. Only a vote in Congress can change the law and with Repubs split so only Dems can do it. Trump is caught in a real trap.

LudwigPastorius

(9,137 posts)
36. "(Trump)...has been casting about for an escape from the crisis..."
Wed Jun 20, 2018, 01:58 PM
Jun 2018

I'll just leave this totally unrelated .jpg here.


42. I hadn't known the temperature was 65 degrees that day in Milwaukee. Thanks for the information.
Wed Jun 20, 2018, 08:38 PM
Jun 2018

Was something else going on that day?

 

heaven05

(18,124 posts)
37. from everything
Wed Jun 20, 2018, 01:59 PM
Jun 2018

I've read, children will still never see their parents again, right? Those 2 babies 8months and 11 months sent to foster care in Grand Rapids MICHIGAN that I read about in another OP. Will their parents be able to reunite with them? November cannot come quick enough. Genocide of Native-American people(s), decimated and forced onto reservations, potus andrew jackson and his "Trail of Tears" trumplike doctrine, enforced slavery of African people(s), internment of Japanese-Americans, forcibly taking children from their parents. Really a glaring fact as to how the real heinous ameriKKKan evil(s), humanitarian crimes has always been directed toward POC. Just a quick observation.

duforsure

(11,885 posts)
38. Coming from trump means nothing as much as he lies
Wed Jun 20, 2018, 02:15 PM
Jun 2018

Until its seen , and looked over, and signed, this means absolutely nothing but another PR event for the liar in chief. He by doing this now is admitting he was lying all along blaming the Democrats , and saying they were to blame for actions he took with HIS policy. He and his minions were instructed to blatantly lie to the American people , again showing nothing but contempt for the truth. This presidents biggest enemy is the truth, and it exposing all his crimes. Which he should be charged with child abuse for what he's done to these children and held accountable for intentionally damaging them with his abuse of his powers. Where's the justice for the children and their families now? Where's Congress? He should pay for what he's done to these little children, or he'll just continue using this for hurting people, maybe our own children next time. He should have consequences, or is he above the rule of law? He should pay for what he's done to the reputation of our country.

PunkinPi

(4,875 posts)
39. I'm with Chris Murphy on this one...
Wed Jun 20, 2018, 02:28 PM
Jun 2018



Let’s not get sucked into a moral vortex where something less than diabolically evil is somehow acceptable.
If the new policy puts kids and parents in cages indefinitely that’s better than kids in cages alone, but still illegal and immoral.
1:18 PM - Jun 20, 2018


The work continues...




June 30th #FamiliesBelongTogether protests are ON. Trump's shift - thanks to public outrage - means kids and babies will still be in jail. This isn't a fix; it's making baby jails permanent. Reunite the families. End baby jails. Work for freedom. JOIN US:


Following on this: From all reports, Trump’s exec order will tee up *indefinite detention of babies & children* with their parents. Kids will still be in jail. We need families together--and free. Pressure is clearly working. Let’s ramp it up. #FamiliesBelongTogether
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