Woman arrested in brutal brick beating of 92-year-old man in Willowbrook

[christx30]

Source: KABC ABC 7

WILLOWBROOK, LOS ANGELES (KABC) -- A woman has been arrested in connection with a brutal beating of a 92-year-old man in Willowbrook, sheriff's officials said.

This beating happened on July 4 near the corner of 118th Street and Central Avenue. An eyewitness said the elderly man, later identified as Rodolfo Rodriguez, was walking down the sidewalk and he passed a woman. The witness said for some reason, this upset the woman and that's when it all started.

The witness said the woman and several men beat Rodriguez, at times using what appeared to be a brick or a piece of concrete.

The witness was able to get a picture of the woman who was walking with a little girl. In that photo, she is seen holding a piece of concrete.


Read more: http://abc7.com/woman-arrested-in-beating-of-elderly-man-in-willowbrook/3744061/

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Glad she got caught. Hopefully she is rapid convicted of the horrible crime, and Mr. Rodriguez takes possession of everything she owns.

[Anon-C]

2. Her accomplices still need to be arrested immediately!

[Bernardo de La Paz]

3. Suspect

[BumRushDaShow]

4. Good.

She and the rest have some real issues.

[Gothmog]

5. Lock her up

[Kind of Blue]

6. My God, she is digusting and in front of a child.

I'm so glad that so much money has been raised to at least off set some of the trauma Mr. Rodriguez has to be suffering from.

[Joe Nation]

7. Do her daughter a favor and lock her up

'nough said.

[heaven05]

8. did he say anything

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to this woman to"upset " her? I'll wait before I judge. I want the whole story. Yeah did he say anything? When he brushed past was he a little rough on the child. I want the complete investigation, not some knee-jerk responses because many here finally have the meat on their plate. You now have an AA being hateful and violent you can point to. Transparent as hell. I hope after the investigation and trial, IF found guilty, they serve time behind bars for as long as proper for this alleged assault.

[eggplant]

9. Please tell me that's sarcasm.

Is there anything you could say to someone in passing that would justify them braining you with a chunk of concrete?

[heaven05]

11. that woman

if she did this without provocation, this person deserves all the punishment all the law can bring against her. No sarcasm, I will wait for the whole story. Don't get me wrong, that was brutal. Lot of meanness, hate and anger out in the streets and homes of Amerika.

I will wait for the complete investigation. No matter, this old man should not have had this treatment by a very mean person.

[Bernardo de La Paz]

16. Verbal provocation is not an excuse. It was not an excuse to kill Emmett Till in 1965. . . . nt

[GulfCoast66]

133. 1955. But agree with your point.

[Bernardo de La Paz]

135. Thanks for the correction! . . . nt

[colorado_ufo]

17. Dude is 92 years old.

She yelled at him to "go back to Mexico" (which he was going to do anyway, as he was just visiting his family). She accused the old gentleman of trying to kidnap her daughter and enlisted the help of four male jerks to continue to beat him. I hope that she gets convicted of a hate crime, assaulting an at-risk adult, and maybe attempted murder, along with her accomplices.

He is in the hospital, she and her daughter were unharmed.

Plus, there was a witness.

Woman is seriously messed up and is a walking time-bomb. She needs to be off the streets and out of the community.

[steve2470]

29. wow this woman is really sick, thanks for extra details nt

[Bengus81]

62. Now that her ass is in jail hope she drops a dime on the other four...........

Meanwhile his Go Fund Me has raised almost $282,000

https://www.gofundme.com/3ctqm-medical-bills-for-my-grandfather

[lunasun]

103. Find the cowards that beat up the old man 4 of them on a 92 yr old man

since the witnesses heard her yelling to get out of the country etc., it could also lead to hate crime charges

[colorado_ufo]

111. Thanks for the link!

[Calista241]

152. They'll never give her a deal, if they can at all help it.

She's the instigator of the attack which means she has the most legal liability.

[heaven05]

156. kid was 8 years old

and a 38 year old beat him up, because his kid started a fight, ostensibly over a soccer game. with the 8 year old AA. So the 8 year old starts to best the 38year old's kid and the 38 year old beat the 8 year old senseless. I have that right? He's in the hospital, the 8year old and the perpetrator gets off quickly, with a simple assault charge. I got that right, for damn sure.

[PatrickforO]

38. What I saw yesterday was

the report that the man who was beaten was taking his nightly walk and attempted to pass the woman and her stroller. He somehow touched the stroller and the lady freaked out. I walk with a cane and am sometimes a bit unsteady on my feet, so if this is the case and it was a stumble followed by this woman a) picking up a piece of concrete and beating him with it, and b) enlisting other passers-by to join her, then I'm all for c) convicting her of a hate crime, and meting out a harsh sentence.

Especially since the poor guy is 91 years old, and now can no longer walk because of this horrible dirt bag. I mean, I know she's also a minority, but geez...her actions are completely over the top. She does not belong on the street in my opinion. I mean, this incident was put on video by a neighbor, so they actually have footage of the attack.

Lastly, I just cannot imagine for the life of me a 91-year-old hobbling up and engaging in some sort of physical altercation with this seemingly ignorant and mean-spirited woman. Unless he has Alzheimer's or some other form of dementia and has been diagnosed by a qualified medical practitioner as being dangerous to himself and others around him. Nothing was said about that in anything I've seen so far.

So yeah, we can wait for the story to emerge, but a video is worth a thousand words.

[colorado_ufo]

54. Child is four years old, not in a stroller.

There is a picture of the little girl (face blurred) standing by her mother, who is holding the concrete block piece in her hand. I watched an interview of the elderly man in his hospital bed, through an interpreter (likely a family member). He said that he just passed the woman and child and did not touch anyone. He said that he became very distressed when he heard the woman telling the four men that he was attempting to take her child. He said that he had never harmed anyone in his entire life. According to him, she began the attack unprovoked. He has suffered a BROKEN JAW AND BROKEN CHEEK BONES, TWO BROKEN RIBS (a miracle he did not get a collapsed lung), cuts and bruises all over his face and body, and other injuries.

The woman is only 30 years old and, from the picture, is of very substantial body build. The elderly man is very frail in appearance.

So glad that she has been arrested with a substantial bail set.

[John Fante]

58. You've got to be fucking kidding me.

[Bernardo de La Paz]

77. Your implication is that if she was provoked she is innocent. You can't have it both ways. A1 or A2?

Assuming for the sake of discussion that she did batter him with a rock resulting in his injuries, then there are two possibilities and four outcomes (but you are only discussing two). Of course we will all "wait for the investigation and the outcome of the trial" to see if she actually did batter him, but it seems likely and your discussion has addressed the case on a presumptive basis that she did batter him, because what you have spent your time talking advocating is that verbal provocation is an issue and her ability to control herself is an issue.

You need to do this exercise first on the issue of provocation and then on the issue of self-control.

A) She was provoked (or has little self-control).
B) She was not provoked (or has self-control)

A1) She was provoked and is therefore innocent.
A2) She was provoked and that is not an excuse.

B1) She was not provoked. She is guilty (by the assumption above, not because she was not provoked).
B2) She was not provoked and is innocent (not considered because of assumption above).

So, you, yes you, need to be crystal clear whether given the assumptions you hold A1 or A2. For provocation, A1 or A2? For lack of self-control, A1 or A2?

If you hold A2, as we all do, then you have no reason to keep raising either verbal provocation or lack of self-control.

If you hold A1, then you have to explain your reasoning why this should even be an issue, why verbal provocation should ever be an excuse and under what circumstances. Similarly for lack of self-control: reasoning and circumstances.

You can't have it both ways. A1 or A2?

[heaven05]

81. No, you are wrong

I feel, in spite of all your exercises, you just cannot accept that. I want to know what sent this woman into a rage like this. No parsing as you suggest. It is a fact that this woman who called for the pile on by her accomplices is guilty, on the surface, of a brutal crime. Why did she respond with such violence? If she needs professional help and if incarceration after a non-acquittal in a trial will help her then I hope she comes out a better person. Given the state of our penal system, I don't believe so.

[Bernardo de La Paz]

85. Finally. You are absolutely confused between Conviction and Sentencing.

So confused that it has taken dozens of posts to get to this stage where you reveal enough about your thinking for us to understand. Please never make this mistake of confusing them again.

Your responders were clearly writing on the issues around guilt (i.e. conviction).

I don't know why you are so confused on this. It is easy to think and write clearly on this.

Her rage has no bearing on her guilt (conviction).

Her rage may have some bearing on her sentencing. If she does need professional help (seriously and realistically) then it could mitigate her sentence or reduce it.

I'm not wrong. You were confused.

[heaven05]

86. I just don't think so

too many in reverse situations have escaped conviction for obvious executions and murder. Just as violent, just as vicious. I will withhold judgement on her and her accomplices until as has been investigated. She assaulted this older man, viciously. No doubt. Why? On the surface, she is guilty as hell as an assault perp. Her rage, to me, is one question I want to be clear on. Why such hate outside of the hate she has had toward her, maybe? She took out all her hurt, slights, insults, offensive name calling on this old gentleman. He DID NOT DESERVE THIS yet he got it. There is some background here not really in view. Just her rage and assault. That's all most see her as, a hateful, rageful brown skin person. That is not the whole story here. That's where I am. What precipitated this. And it does matter.To me.

[Bernardo de La Paz]

87. Now you on to the what-aboutism fallacy. :eyes:

At least you are now using the word guilty. Progress. I hope soon you will be very clear on the distinction between conviction and sentencing and NOT run your DU members through hoops trying to get you to say enough about what you are really thinking for us to be able to understand how confused you were and help you overcome it.

[heaven05]

88. you keep coming

up with these exercises and terms designed to make my assumptions, my actual queries as something confusing to the I guess so-called logical, rational people here who never got this pissed off about other cases over the years that have come to our attention. Consistency has always been my point here, as well as a need for that very same consistency as related to all regardless of race. As you do to one, do to the other. Which has never been the case in racially charged incidents here, especially if the perpetrators were AA and hurt whites. The 'brown skin 'threat' is at play here in this incident. The fear I feel from the enraged here is palpable, disguised as anger. Not confused about that.

No whataboutism. She is not guilty till proven so by a jury of her peers, no matter what we have seen here. I should have said alleged guilt. My bad

[Bernardo de La Paz]

89. Logical people ARE pissed off about other cases but don't conflate them together. . . . nt

[RobinA]

153. Would You Be

so nonjudgmental if this were a white skinned woman?

[heaven05]

154. If a crime as obvious as this

was perpetrated with the rage this woman holds, I, as always would be suspicious as to cause. I still would wait for a complete investigation, mental emotional fitness and trial to make my final statement as to cause of the attack.

[lunasun]

105. Did you ever think her rage was the same as white people who hate Mexicans and attack them?

That just him walking by may have set her off.. Surely you have seen white people be enraged by the presence of a black or brown person without provocation . Could be the same and then add very lethal concrete
What do you imagine made the men join in to stomp on him ? They showed up while she was beating him, and joined in

[heaven05]

127. I'm sure of that

she was probably making a lot of noise. Those guys took notice. I hope they are found.

[The Mouth]

124. There simply is nothing that could justify what she did

*MAYBE* if he tried to snatch or hurt the child. But outside of that ANYBODY WHO EVEN THINKS THERE *COULD* BE A JUSTIFICATION IS A PIECE OF SHIT WHO SHOULD ALSO BE LOCKED UP. FOREVER.

[heaven05]

126. not hurting my feelings buddy

he says as he chews his radishes and carrots. buh bye

[The Mouth]

130. I believe it.

Sociopaths can't have their feelings hurt.

Simple: some things have no justification. The only question is 'did they happen'. Child abuse, torturing animals and beating a 91 year old man are such examples. If you think there *COULD* even be a justification for such, ANY justification for such, any way or in any context, you are a sick motherfucker, get help.

Or, are you saying that there *IS* anything ANYTHING that this guys could have said that justifies this? Are you?

[Demsrule86]

146. What if she did it with provocation...are we allowed to beat people with brick now who provote us?

I don't think he did provoke her, but you should think about this.

[heaven05]

14. I can think of a lot

of things that can be said to provoke people with little or no control over their anger and hate. I'll wait for the completed investigation.

[Bernardo de La Paz]

18. If the criminal assaulter has little or no control, that is NEVER AN EXCUSE. . . . nt

[heaven05]

67. Never said it was

I said I will wait for the completed investigation and trial. Don't try to put words in that I never said. That's typical though. I will not retreat on this. If it was reversed, the response would not be the same by the usual defenders of right and might on this board. Please, your insults mean nothing to me.

[Bernardo de La Paz]

69. Nothing to wait for regarding any words that may have passed from victim. And you def implied.

You keep mentioning it as an excuse.

I'm not trying to insult you. That is not my intention. I'm trying to wake you up. Words of provocation have zero to do with the crime of violence. Whether or not an investigation will reveal words of provocation is neither here nor there. It has no bearing. It does not matter. It should not affect the outcome. There is no waiting on that aspect. That aspect has no importance.

On the other hand, words uttered by the assaulter & batterer are important and have bearing on whether the crime is a hate crime or not.

The victim's words have no weight on the batterer's crime. They neither mitigate it nor accentuate it. None. Zip. Nil. Zilch. Zero. Nothing.

[Bernardo de La Paz]

70. No point for you to mention it unless you are using it as an excuse. So please don't excuse it.

You wrote:

I can think of a lot of things that can be said to provoke people with little or no control over their anger and hate. I'll wait for the completed investigation.

We can all think of provocations. But the batterer's lack of control has no bearing on their crime. They are guilty or not without regard to their ability or inability to control themselves, unless they are "incompetent" legally (a child or have only child-like mental abilities).

So don't even mention their lack of control. It is only obfuscation.
Nor mention words of provocation. It is only obfuscation.

What are you trying to obscure?

[heaven05]

72. so you say

in this carries NO weight with me. If they are found guilty after a complete police investigation, psychological/emotional profile and a jury of their peers, they should get time behind bars. That's it, whether you like it or not, agree or not. Makes no nevermind to me.

[Bernardo de La Paz]

73. What is your motive?

Why do you keep raising "words of provocation"?

Why do you keep referring to the batterers possible lack of control?

Those do not matter and have no bearing on guilt (assuming she is an adult).

What is your motive?

[heaven05]

76. Why does there have to be

some nefarious motive? What's your motive? What are you looking for me to admit? Come on spit it out no matter how sulfurous and distasteful....

[Bernardo de La Paz]

79. My motive is to try to wake you up that verbal provocation is never an excuse for innocence.

Again, what is your motive to keep on raising it as a possible excuse?

If you aren't raising it as an excuse, then be crystal clear that it has no bearing on guilt or innocence.

[The Mouth]

125. Well said

Anyone, in any context, in any circumstance, who could do this this man what that women did over mere words needs to be locked up. forever. and anybody who seriously believes that any mere words could justify such actions should be restrained and observed for the rest of their lives, labeled as a sociopath and carefully watched.

[Bernardo de La Paz]

80. My other motive is to try to wake you up that lack of self-control is never an excuse for innocence.

Again, what is your motive to keep on raising it as a possible excuse?

If you aren't raising it as an excuse, then be crystal clear that it has no bearing on guilt or innocence.

[PatrickforO]

40. I'm agreeing with Mr. La Paz on this one.

Anger management issues aren't an excuse for nearly killing someone with a brick. The cops wouldn't let any of us off for that...'oh, yeah, I have anger issues...yeah, I know I almost killed the guy, but hey, whatcha gonna do?' That just does not wash because her assault caused serious physical harm and it was done under circumstances whereby it could be classified as a hate crime.

[heaven05]

44. and?

look here anyone can see this was a violent assault. I will wait on the completed investigation, psychological-emotional profile and trial. I have not seen this type of brutality since I lived in the south, those many years ago and I don't advocate for this type of violence.

[colorado_ufo]

56. Of course, she deserves a fair trial. No question.

And the elderly gentleman deserves justice.

[heaven05]

78. I totally agree nt

[John Fante]

59. Translation: hopefully the old man said something to

justify this attack.

[heaven05]

66. you don't translate well

I didn't imply that. As usual, trying to tell another what they meant. I meant what I have said in response to this outrageous brutal act and there I will stand no matter what anyone here thinks or says about me.

[Bernardo de La Paz]

71. You don't excuse well.

You keep on raising issues that have no bearing (words of provocation from victim and lack of control on part of batterer).

If you keep raising them you sure look like you are using them as excuses.

What is your motive? Do you have any motive besides excusing?

[christx30]

92. One time I was on the way to a party

and I stopped at a grocery store to get beer. A drunk homeless guy bumped into me and said, “fuckin Mexican”. I smiled at him and wished him a good evening. It never occurred to me to use violence against him. It was never an option. If I had attacked him, I would have been 1200% in the wrong. Anything I had done would have been unforgivable, no matter what he had said.
There is no psychological or emotional questioning that needs to happen here. It should be, “did you do this? Yes, or no.” If it wasn’t self defense, it was a crime. If she’s convicted of this crime, she deserves to spend a long time in prison. And any money and property she has should go to try to make this man whole.

[The Mouth]

131. people with such little control over their anger and hate need to be put away

forever.

If mere words can cause them to do something like this to another person the need to be removed from society.

[Demsrule86]

147. It doesn't matter...you can't beat people with bricks.

[ripcord]

10. What could he have possibly said

That would justify attacking a 92 year old man with a brick?

[heaven05]

12. I don't know

if the perpetrator is just an exceedingly mean and violent person or felt she had caused. I will wait for the full investigation. Same thing a lot of people here said in all the high profile murder recently of AA both by police and citizen alike. What's the big deal with my post? I'll wait for the completed investigation.

[Bernardo de La Paz]

26. You don't know because in fact there is nothing a person can SAY that justifies a VIOLENT ATTACK

The big deal with your post is your lack of logic. The victim is not responsible for the meanness or violent nature of the attacker.

The big deal with your post you blaming the victim and then saying "wait for the completed investigation".

Using your logic, the murderers of Emmett Till in 1965 have an excuse.
Using your logic, anyone called a "n*****" has an excuse to maim and disable the caller with lethal force.
Using your logic, anyone called "wypipo" has an excuse to maim and disable the caller with lethal force.

No to violence.

[PatrickforO]

41. You said it.

Violent acts aren't acceptable under the rule of law.

[heaven05]

45. well backward logic

and I was responding to a viewing of this incident by a person here who used Emmit Till as an example. Don't wash and I will wait for the completed investigation, psychological-emotional profile and trial.

Your response does nor shame me nor cause me ANY concern. I have said the attack was wrong. This woman was wrong. And yeah sure on the no violence tip.

[olegramps]

13. Are you joking? Is it sarcasm? Really, I would appreciate a response.

[heaven05]

22. I'll wait for the completed investigation.

My right. I don't advocate for this type of violence. That being said, I'll wait until I get the completed story from an independent source. My right and this incredulous raising of voices by all caps, mean NOTHING to me. I will wait for the completed investigation. My right.

[Bernardo de La Paz]

15. For heaven's sake; VIOLENCE is NOT appropriate or legal response to verbal provocation, if any. . nt

[steve2470]

20. agreed nt

[heaven05]

25. I will wait

for the completed investigation by the authorities and an independent source. Don't like, I don't care. I do not advocate this type of violence. I won't say anything else that you might be looking for.

[Bernardo de La Paz]

28. If you "don't advocate this type of violence" then DON'T EXCUSE it any any way.

You and Melania don't care.

Almost all of us at DU do care.

[LanternWaste]

32. In this particular case, at least...

"Almost all of us at DU do care..."

[PatrickforO]

43. I care. That poor old guy should never have been attacked.

Geez.By a young strong woman and FOUR other dirt bag accomplices?

No...gotta get these people off the street because they are dangerous.

I'm a bleeding heart liberal, but we have to draw the line when it comes to public safety.

[steve2470]

19. Even if he launched into some horrible diatribe against her....

he's 92. I think a reasonable person would just be shocked and just walk away, and chalk up his diatribe to dementia.

No matter what he said or didn't say, I think it's fair to say she used unreasonable force, most probably in an aggressive manner instead of trying to defend herself.

[heaven05]

27. He's get a pass

from me. That's all I'm saying. I will wait for the complete story/investigation by authorities and an independent source

[christx30]

23. "An eyewitness later

told The Washington Post that Rodriguez had accidentally bumped into a young girl while walking on the sidewalk. The child’s mother — a black woman— then pushed the elderly man to the ground and repeatedly bashed him in the face with a concrete brick while yelling, “Go back to your country,” the eyewitness said."

[heaven05]

31. If completely true

not enough reason to hit the old man since daughter was not injured. And she's just repeating what has been said countless times in just the last 17 months. I would hope she would know better.

I will wait on the competed investigation which will be quick if what the "eyewitness" said is true, I not saying she is not both ill-informed and/or very uneducated.. I'll wait before passing my judgement on this perpetrator.

[christx30]

35. I'm not willing to give her a pass

saying she's ill-informed or uneducated. If it did happen as they say it did, I'm willing to call her a horrible person, and say she deserves to spend 10 or more years in prison.

[heaven05]

48. I'm not giving her a pass

nor the others. I will wait for the completed investigation, the psychological-emotional profile and the trial. I hope they catch the other individuals but I say the same of them. Like it or not I don't care.

[Steerpike]

115. Geez

give it up...

[heaven05]

116. ahhh, never

jeez, back atcha

[Steerpike]

117. you

are an anarchist right?

[heaven05]

118. I have anarchists that live next door

and horrors...... I'm friends with the older one....does that count....we talk politics and drink beer and..

[Steerpike]

121. soooo

you associate with anarchists...we could be friends...except the whole beating old people in the head with bricks thing...beers ok

[heaven05]

123. like I said to many here

I WILL WAIT for the completed police investigation, the psychological-emotional state profile and the trial. If she is found guilty by a jury of her peers, then so be it. I don't care if anyone gets pissed off at my response. Period. I am glad she didn't kill the old man. I am through with this thread. To all who take umbrage at my responses, I do not care. I will rinse, wash, repeat as long as it takes for all the outragers to go about their own lives. buh bye

[moriah]

24. Look, even if I might WANT to hit people with bricks for shit they say...

... I have impulse control.

The original articles suggested it started when he bumped into them. If you're going to try to defend her indefensible actions, don't go with words as an excuse. Many people have been pickpocketed by someone "bumping" into them. You could try that angle, maybe.

But not "what did he say". That's just fucking ridiculous. Might as well ask what I wore the night I was raped (jeans and a shirt, same thing I'd worn to work).

[heaven05]

33. Ridiculous, no

She should not have hit him. I would have given him a pass, she didn't because of maybe the issue you raised, "poor impulse control". I will wait for the completed investigation and trial. What else can I do as an american citizen?

[moriah]

36. Yes, absolutely ridiculous.

Is your response to a domestic violence victim "What did you say to him?"

It seems like it would be.

[heaven05]

49. quit trying

to add words to my response. Domestic violence is wrong also. Please. don't use trickery in your words trying to corner into saying something I don't believe in. That's ridiculous.

[moriah]

52. It's the same exact thing.

There's no "pass" to give, as you said you would personally, no matter what someone says to you. You don't beat people over words. You just don't. Even in the case of the guy who caught his son being molested and lost it, it wasn't over words. It was actions.

No, we don't know the whole story. Yes, she and anyone else involved WILL get their day(s) in court, and any legitimate insanity issues will be addressed. I don't see anyone in here actively calling for any other sort of extrajudicial punishment.

But it's blaming the victim to even ask that stupid of a question, what they "said" to get beaten. At least ask what they did.

[demmiblue]

55. Especially a 92 year old man who doesn't even fricking know English!

We have sunk so low.

[demmiblue]

30. Holy shite!

[heaven05]

34. she should not

have hit the old man. Maybe she has emotional and psychological issues that need addressing. Judge me, I could care less. I will wait for the completed investigation and trial.

[obamanut2012]

94. Your responses in this thread are why I come here like once a week now

Shameful, and your doubling down of felony assault, incitement, hate crimes, and elder abuse is Trumpian.

[heaven05]

95. your choice

whatever. I say you don't know me, you haven't ever walked in my shoes. How dare you. Shameful!!!!??? The hate exhibited by people like this woman and white racist people also is going to destroy this country, that's shameful. That she did this in front of her daughter was even worse than shameful. I hate her hate!!!~ But I will defend her right to a fair trial, a complete police investigation and help with her obvious emotional/psychological problems and against the holier than thou crowd here.

I haven't doubled down on a damn thing. The only thing consistently and constantly doubled down on in the bizarro country is white racism. All this holier than thou garbage about this incident is disgusting to me. It is never ever seen with such virulence here when a black person is murdered by this systems executioners. Oh, some clucking here or there, but it soon fades. That's my point in all this. I am doing exactly what I have seen and experienced here time and again counselling patience, asking everyone to wait to see why the racist murders happened. Shameful! Don't even try it! I am done with you.

I left here for the same reason one time just because the slick and hidden racism disgusted me. I am not ashamed to point out white hypocrisy ever.

[obamanut2012]

112. Oh, we do know you

You wave your flags very proudly.

[heaven05]

113. and?

look when white racism stops I will stop pushing, fighting, pushing for a small sense that white people respect AA and POC and want to see equality between the races. I will question every incident where an AA is the alleged perpetrator with any query I please. This "oh we know you" feels like some kind of threat. Yeah, it makes me feel like the only AA in a pool, where one may live, being the only person questioned about my residence qualification. Or a 'barbeque becky' telling me to get out of her 'public park' that allows grilling. Oh, the nerve of people Ohh, I forgot, this has been going on for 300 years in this temporary paradise for racists, amerika.

Look I know many here don't like the way I approach WHITE RACISM. I will continue to do so with verve and passion. Don't like? I DON'T CARE. You have a good one now, ya heahhhh. buh bye

[moriah]

120. Seriously, do you honestly believe the irate response to your ridiculous question ...

... was about the alleged perpetrators race?

Or at least in my case, do you think it was? I was extremely clear, I thought, that it was because it was *terrible* phrasing.

But since you and others have now brought her race into the discussion -- don't you think if she was white that we'd be saying the only possible explanation was that she must REALLY be a Trump Kool-Aid drinker and believed that all Mexicans were rapists? It certainly fits the narrative here on DU better, white-on-minority violence inspired by Trump's racism and xenophobia.

It's frankly almost more uncomfortable to discuss other races negative interactions, because white people who know how crappily historically and now people who look like us have treated everyone who looked different than them have a "who the fuck am I to say anything here?" feeling. OITNB could even barely address it, giving the issue just one rather cringeworthy episode, despite bunking in that show literally being segregated between three racial groups.

And don't you think people would have jumped on someone saying exactly what you did originally:

did he say anything to this woman to"upset " her? I'll wait before I judge. I want the whole story.

.... just as strongly, or perhaps stronger, if this was a situation far more easily labeled by white people on DU as undoubtedly racially motivated? While some of us aren't as self-aware as others, we do usually strongly condemn hate-related violence by our own race -- perhaps even overcompensating in some cases to distance ourselves from those people. Anyone perceived to be defending perceived white-on-minority hate violence by asking if the victim **said** anything to get beaten would be viciously attacked for blaming the victim, asked if they think black people should also not drive "too nice" of a car or live in "too nice" of a neighborhood to avoid racial profiling vs living their lives without making excuses, etc -- if for no other reason than to show just how not racist the poster thought themselves to be.

So yeah, if you want to blame this on "white racism", go ahead. I think most people responding to you were pretty darn clear that what they thought was unacceptable about your post was the suggestion that mere words ever could merit beating someone with a brick.

[heaven05]

122. understand

I am a 70 year old that has seen a lot of examples of white racism, subtle and overt. You cannot school me on race relations and amerika. You don't have a clue as to why I know racism when I see it. And if white people had "usually condemned racism" and racist acts, racism would cease. I did not bring race into it, race was in this from the beginning. I WILL STILL WAIT for the completed police investigation, the psychological-emotional state from a profile and the trial. That's it whether you or anyone disagrees. Period. I am done with this garbage. buh bye

[moriah]

129. I was referring to white DUers reactions to white-on-minority violence.

But agreed that there's no need to fight further if no minds will change.

You're entitled to believe people attacked your post because the alleged suspect is African-American.

I'm entitled to still think mere words don't merit fists or bricks, and that there are far better questions to ask.

[Judi Lynn]

128. Had you actually comprehended what was posted, you would have noticed this poster was NOT the one

who dragged reference to race into the "discussion." Not by a long shot.

That started with the first thread posted, then was restarted with this thread, and neither one was starated by this poster whatsoever.

Go back, grasp what you missed, and conduct yourself accordingly.

[moriah]

132. Um, excuse me?

Before they edited her post to call us all racists, we were responding to the assertion made that anything this man said would have anything to do with getting beaten. We don't have video -- the questions should be about what he did or didn't do, what this woman might have thought he did/was going to do. If it really was all about words, it makes it even more ridiculous.

I was active in this particular thread before you were, per the history.

You came into this one after her edits, accusing the OP of making the race of the accused person an issue when there's no edit history on this OP and no reference in the quoted material (they would have had to go to the link to see race) and attack them for making it about race. When they didn't, aside from linking the article.

It was De La Paz who posted the pictures, and you should have been directing your suggestions any "smooth moves" were made at them, not the OP.

If anyone got late to this particular thread's party and should have read a bit more...

[Judi Lynn]

134. There's seething hatred and rancor unleashed with total abandon in this thread at this poster.

I have no choice but to find it ugly, and unacceptable.

I know its roots, I can see there is a totally different conversation going on about race, and taking it all out on anyone who doesn't support foaming at the mouth against the black woman.

I posted the thread I started yesterday which had only one person struggling to inform others the perpetrator was black, and those posters were far more dignified, and more like sane, well balanced human beings. The thread ended with only one person trying to force the issue of the perp's race.

With the photographic addition to this thread, which was like tossing a fire bomb in here, making awareness of her race unavoidable, the weak among us were off to the races, as anticipated when the bomb was generously donated.

The truth has been laid bare, the real issue bubbled right to the surface. While certain people here could not harass the perp, they turned as one against someone who didn't support their feeding frenzy, and all struggled mightily to tar and feather the poster as well as possible, trying to cover every inch of cyber skin in sight with cyber tar and then all those lovely cyber feathers. Very moving.

[melman]

136. Wow

The poster in question repeatedly suggested there might be a legitimate reason to smash a 92 year old man with a brick.

That's what you're defending.

[Judi Lynn]

139. So you want to drag me into this free-for-all, is that right?

The poster did NOT suggest there would be a legitimate reason to smash the elderly, bewildered man at all.

You know that, and so does everyone else.

You are attempting to attack someone by putting words in the poster's cyber mouth. Nothing of the kind was suggested. Nothing.

Some angry people are looking for someone else to savage since they can't destroy the black perpetrator, herself.

The posters, with one exception on my thread posted first, as in yesterday, didn't know the perp was black, and they didn't work themselves up into an insane, vicious fury over a suspect they believed was white until someone went to great pains to mention near the end of that thread, that the perpetrator was an "overweight" black woman, generously protecting her dignity while announcing she was black. That poster was called on it, and the thread ended without an orgy of hatred.

When no one got the hatred ball rolling, the thread itself ended shortly, even though the information was the same, with the exception of the bomb-tossing photographic evidence the woman was a fat, angry black woman.

[moriah]

141. At least for this person, I got offended and extremely upset that someone...

... couldn't seem to get one simple fact of living in our society -- words should never be responded to with fists or bricks, and so asking what someone SAID to get beaten is pure victim-blaming.

It doesn't matter what he may or may not have said. You don't hit people over words. It doesn't matter if they detemine her best placement is in a psychiatric facility or jail -- anyone who would beat someone with a brick over words needs some form of governmental intervention in their lives to keep them from doing it again.

These are all simple things that anyone should understand -- preschool lessons. And it's *extremely* frustrating to me to see people double down on such an assertion. Then after someone points out that the victim allegedly didn't even speak English, they edit their post not to say "Okay, maybe that's terrible wording, I meant just that we don't know everything and don't have video of the assault itself let alone what led up to it," but to accuse everyone who got riled up over that terrible wording of being racists?

Maybe some people do, as you and that poster in their edit seem to think, want to find examples of angry violent black people and get gleeful that their deep-seated prejudices are proven. Hell, I'm not even going to say I have enough insight into myself as a white person to completely rule out if knowing the race of the alleged perpetrator from earlier articles made me respond more harshly to what I perceived as making excuses for flat out wrong behavior.

But if it was, it was below my current self-introspection level for trying to be aware of such contamination from my upbringing affecting my thinking/behavior.

[melman]

149. They most certainly did suggest that

Repeatedly. And you are defending that. And then, as if that was not enough (it really is), not only are you defending that, you are attempting to smear everyone who had a problem with those posts as racists. It's really disgraceful and it's there for everyone to see.


PS. You keep bring up your thread as if it's relevant. It's not.

[Judi Lynn]

150. .....

[moriah]

140. Well, there could be, but it's certainly not going to be anything he *said*.

And that's what I have been trying to say was so offensive and triggering to people who don't like to see victim-blaming.

Heaven05 is right that we don't know the whole story. We weren't there, and there's no video of the actual attack that's been produced yet to my knowledge.

But anyone who would hit someone with a brick for mere words needs to have intervention made in their lives, whatever the cause. And the intervention should reflect the cause. But I manage even with being bipolar not to hit people for things they say. Whether it's an institution or jail, someone who would beat someone for mere words needs to be restrained from potentially doing it again. It doesn't matter what the words were.

The only reason I can think for a rational human being to snap on someone in such a situation is if they thought he intentionally groped their child or something. Which so far no one from the defense or any witnesses have suggested happened.

But those are actions, not words.

[nini]

37. Did he 'SAY' anything?

Does it matter? The only reason she would be half way justified if her attack was in self defense and it wasn't.

Jesus fucking Christ.. he's in his 90s and could hardly be a threat.

[moriah]

47. It's just the usual "blame the victim" playbook.

What was she wearing to get raped?

The scene from "Enough", where Lopez shows the shiner to her character's mother-in-law -- "What did you say to him?"

Don't bring up his age -- this person legitimately thinks someone, anyone, can say ANYTHING justifying beating someone into unconsciousness. They said they personally would "have given him a pass" whatever he said because of his age -- fuck no, it doesn't matter what someone says to you, however old they are, you don't get to hit them, there's no "pass" to give. Didn't we teach this in preschool?

No, we don't know the whole story. Of course she and everyone else involved deserves their day in court, which they will get.

But I am as appalled to see this sort of blame the victim crap on DU as you are.

[nini]

104. I'm so tired of having to shake my head constantly these days

Like I said the only justification would be self defense and 'saying' something doesn't qualify.

[heaven05]

50. I will wait

for the completed investigation on this case, the psychological-emotional profile and the trial. I hope they catch the other perps

[nini]

100. You're not on the fucking jury

You can have an opinion based on what is already known.

But yea... you'll wait

[demmiblue]

53. Truly bizarre, isn't it?!

[Devil Child]

61. He said nothing

An eyewitness said the elderly man, later identified as Rodolfo Rodriguez, was walking down the sidewalk and he passed a woman. The witness said for some reason, this upset the woman and that's when it all started.

Apparently per the witness his existing on the same sidewalk "upset" Laquisha Jones enough for her to beat 92 year old Rodolfo Rodriquez repeatedly with a chunk of concrete.

[X_Digger]

82. That's fucking disgusting. There's nothing that you could say that would justify this.

Not a goddamned thing.

[heaven05]

83. yeah, yeah, yeah

I don't care what you think of me. Back at your spewing shit... bye, done with you.

[X_Digger]

84. There is not a goddamned thing that a person could say to another to justify this.

The fact that you're jumping up and down to deny that fact sickens me.

I want to wash my screen from seeing that.

[Judi Lynn]

96. Can't avoid noticing that when a suspect is an African American, some people start going berserk,

bouncing off the walls, attacking anyone who doesn't join them in their seething rage.

When someone goes to the trouble to point out the suspect is black, and it isn't mentioned in the article, that someone tells you all you need to know where his/her "sentiments" lie.

This pattern always reveals far more than the howling, shrieking person will acknowledge every time. Will even get wild and silly attacking everyone who points it out.

Notice the quality of the venom in this thread, compared to the thread I posted yesterday when no one dived in to drag out a photo of the suspect to prove she was a black woman, although someone did feel compelled to announce she was plump and, uh, oh, yeah, black.

The first thread did NOT have "posters running wild" in it. Very subdued.

Here's my thread on the same subject, from yesterday, without the article's mentioning the suspect is black, nor anyone dragging out a photo, to rally the ones who "think" like that:

https://www.democraticunderground.com/10142104836

[heaven05]

99. so true

The hypocrisy is disgusting.

[christx30]

102. I posted this story as good news.

A horrible crime occurred. An innocent man was beaten nearly to death by an unhinged person. And the alleged perpetrator was arrested. She will now be tried in a court of law, and if found guilty, she will spend a good amount of time in prison, away from her kid. Maybe the kid can grow up in a better environment.
I could honestly give a rip about the respective races of the people involved. All I saw was an innocent old man was brutally attacked. I saw the pictures of him in his hospital bed, I saw my grandfather. I want to see his attacker in a cage for the next decade or more.

[Judi Lynn]

106. I was angry and disgusted when I posted the first thread on the attack.

Ninety two years old should be old enough to earn some mercy from other people, regardless of anyone's nationality.

I couldn't mean that more seriously.

I don't think there's a need to drag out photos to "share" with people the fact the cruel woman happened to be a black woman.

Other elements clearly came into play with that smooth move, of course.

[lunasun]

107. And your actual post does not mention race

[christx30]

108. But everyone else is talking about race.

It’s horrifying, what happened to that man. I’m glad he’s going to be ok, and I’m glad his attacker was caught.
The story would be equally horrifying if it were a elderly black gentleman being attacked by a white guy in red hat. And my desire to see the attacker in an orange jumpsuit would be just as strong.

[moriah]

110. You really think people would be less upset if the perp was white about...

... someone asking the stupidest question ever about a physical assault -- (paraphrased) "What did they say to provoke the beating?"

To give the actual quote, it was before edits:

did he say anything to this woman to"upset " her? I'll wait before I judge. I want the whole story.

As Heaven and I discussed, and they admitted before editing the offensive post to say we're all racists for feeling that's totally the wrong fucking question to ask because mere words don't merit fists or bricks, it's blaming the victim to ask that. And I was clear, up to the point of even suggesting a perceived attempt at pickpocketing would be a better excuse than any words, that my beef was with that phrasing. And it triggered a lot of other people, too.

It's completely fine to not immediately want to line up for the metaphorical "torches and pitchforks" hate party against anyone accused of something heinous. It's perfectly fine to want everyone to have their day in court and not necessarily believe everything you see in the media.

But you don't ask a DV victim what they said to piss off their partner. You don't ask a rape victim what they were wearing or why they went out to that bar. You don't ask a victim of racial profiling why they were living life while not pale enough. The only rational, non victim-blaming question in this situation isn't "What did he say", but "What did he do/she think he did/was about to do?"

And that's reasonable to want to know before judging.

[MicaelS]

97. And if the was a white or Latino person assaulting an AA person....

Would you have the same attitude?

[heaven05]

98. yes

get it clear, I hate this woman's hate. It is despicable. But she is alleged to be a perpetrator until proven guilty by a jury of her peers. She does not deserve the lynching mentality present about this incident. I have not seen the virulent hate that has been displayed against this woman when a white coward kills an unarmed AA, man woman or child. The hypocrisy disgusts me.

[Orsino]

119. And what was he wearing?

[Codeine]

138. Fuck that.

Seriously. My god.

[Raine]

144. Words alone are not cause for an attack like that. Plus

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this was on the local news and he had to have an interpreter so he probably doesn't even speak English. What the hell could he have said in Spanish that would justify being almost beaten to death! Sickening that anyone would attempt to try rationalizing "claiming it's as transparent as hell"!

[Demsrule86]

145. I don't care if he called her the C word...she and her buds had no business to beat him.

[George II]

21. Twenty First Century Emmett Till.

[heaven05]

39. Well till

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did look worse since this pissing contest has started. I don't advocate this type of response and violence. And Emmitt Till 21st century? Okay, if you say so.

Emmett Till by David Jackson



and this old guy is still kicking.
Everyone can do the rush to judgement thing on this brutal incident. Your right to be outraged ect ect

I will wait on the completed investigation, psychological profile and an independent source giving this brutal incident coverage. My right. And that will be my final statement on this incident.

[George II]

46. He was murdered because a woman claimed that he "looked at her" outside a store down South.

[Judi Lynn]

109. Here are the Klansmen who tortured him before tying him to a machine

and throwing him into the water. Hate-driven, murderous racists, celebrating with their lovely wives.







The child, when he still had a face:











Short version:

His assailants—the white woman’s husband and her brother—made Emmett carry a 75-pound cotton-gin fan to the bank of the Tallahatchie River and ordered him to take off his clothes. The two men then beat him nearly to death, gouged out his eye, shot him in the head and then threw his body, tied to the cotton-gin fan with barbed wire, into the river.

https://www.history.com/this-day-in-history/the-death-of-emmett-till

It can't be seriously claimed that the two acts of hatred are the same, even though they are both unforgivable.

[heaven05]

114. thank you

everyone here that raises up with anger, revulsion when an AA is the alleged perpetrator of an incident between races and cultures and then offers only tepid response(s) when the reverse happens, are part of the problem. When it comes to ending white racism . I explained my thinking continually as to why the continuance of white racism for over 300 years in this country.

Like many here I feel there is no excuse for racism and hate against AA and POC continuing for 300 years+ in this nation. NO EXCUSE. These photos show one reason and a police officer who shoots an 11 year old within 2.5 seconds upon arriving at a call, from a parkside paul or paula no doubt an 11 year in a park with a toy gun today, or puts an AA in jail for a misdemeanour traffic violation and then lo and behold she "commits 'suicide' are the same. A zimmerman was gate guard george is another account.

Perspective well received by me. "It can't be seriously that the two acts of hatred are the same", which I agree with totally and they both are unforgivible. Yet so is hate and violence based on some sense of white superiority or a senseless response such as happened to the 92 year old and all non-threatening and legal weapon holders like Philando CASTILE.

I hate hate. When I sense hate from any race, it is so sad and senseless yet I will respond with passion and verve to each and every incident regardless of race. No one in this thread trying to make me some kind of pariah concern me. White racism and yes black prejudice(s) also, must be solved.

[blueinredohio]

42. I hope they throw all of them under the jail.

[heaven05]

51. if found guilty

me too.

[John Fante]

60. This has to be trolling.

If a 90-year-old deplorable insulted me with all the vitriol he could muster, and I decided to retaliate by beating with a brick, I'd go to prison for assault and maybe attempted murder.

What possibly scenario could you envision where the perps are declared "not guilty" of this crime?

[heaven05]

65. really? what scenario?

It was a violent, mean and hateful attack. Yet I want to see the justice system deal with this including a trial by their peers instead of the jury formed here. I don't like what I saw either, yet innocent until PROVEN guilty, isn't that how its supposed to go. Stay angry, pissed off at me, whatever. It does not matter to me.

[alphafemale]

93. I second that observation.

Continuing an argument with ridiculous points to divide a community may be happening here.

Or not.

[Bengus81]

63. Yeah...this is all made up BS,no truth to any of it. Pffffttttttttttt..........

If found guilty?!?!?!

[heaven05]

64. I did not imply that

I will wait for the complete investigation to be over. I don't care what you think.

[moriah]

68. Just admit you misspoke, please, for the love of God.

I don't think you intended to come off as blaming the victim, but that's what it sounds like anytime someone suggests mere words are ever enough to cause a rational person to resort to violence.

No, we don't know if she was rational, but the mentally ill account for so few actual crimes in the US that going there is an (also unintentional, I'm sure) insult to all of us who struggle with actual mental illness but still manage to not hit people over words.

No, we don't have full video of the assault. No, we aren't the jury she will face, but nobody is saying she doesn't deserve a trial even if they are horrified by this crime. And even if they were, she's still going to get one. And it's fine if you want to wait before metaphorical torches and pitchforks just to make sure there's nothing incorrect in the coverage.

But at least admit that "what did he say" is the wrong question to ask. "What did he do/she think he was going to do?" is the only rational question needing to be ascertained if you are trying to actually figure out how/why such a terrible thing could happen.

[heaven05]

74. ok I admit that little bit

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if it comes off badly as you think it did, then I misspoke on the query.

Yet I look at the viciousness of the attack and the stupidity in her words. The level of violence and hate in this individual is astounding and is not a normal response to nothing. Something sent her into this violent rage. Her accomplices must face the consequence of their actions after a fair trial, complete police investigation and psychological/emotional profiles on each and every one. I'm not going to tar and feather them until then, if then. I do understand the reasons for BLACK RAGE.

[Devil Child]

57. Violent and racist, jail is the perfect place for this piece of shit

Hope the other 4 perpetrators are picked up soon. My heart aches for Rodolfo Rodriguez and his family. Simply unspeakable that someone is capable of inflicting such violence on a 92 year old man.

[manicdem]

75. End racism

Everyone has to come together to eliminate racism on all sides.

[Blue_Tires]

90. Yeah, they're gonna put her under the jail

[Owl]

91. Good. Lock her up.

[lunasun]

101. Glad she was found . This happened on the 4th of July . Sick

[rollin74]

137. I hope she is charged with a hate crime

she deserves to spend a VERY LONG time in prison

[christx30]

142. I agree about wanting her to be charged

with a hate crime. I was picturing a red hat wearing white guy that had hit a black guy with a brick then got several other MAGA people to beat him up. The brick person screaming “go back to Africa”or something like that. That idiot would be on a fast track to hate crime charges, and very rightly so.

[Raine]

143. Good, she should be charged with a hate crime

that's exactly what is was! Sickening attacking someone in their 90's..

[Judi Lynn]

148. Why on earth have certain kinds of people declared war on a poster?

At NO TIME did that poster say there is any justification for that brutal attack.

Why not look for another hobby?

People did NOT go berserk when I posted this story last night on an earlier thread, which did NOT say the attacker was black. That did NOT happen, except for someone who tried to sneak in a post to inform people the assailant was a fat black woman. I called the poster on it, and that was the very END of the thread.

When they assumed the thug was white, as I did, they read the news, commented it was goddawful, and moved on. They didn't stick around to go ape about the female assailant.

Damned strange, and it's as conspicuous as the noses on your faces. What gets people wild is seeing the photo of a sloppy, fat black woman. That just didn't happen when they assumed she was a vicious white one. I know, from having posted the first thread.

[Devil Child]

155. What gets me wild and fired up

Is seeing a picture of someone holding a brick and knowing that person just used said brick to batter a 92 year old man. My grandfather is the same age, it hits close to home and I'm sure it does the same for many here.

[NBachers]

151. 1. I hope the brick has been recovered, and - 2. I think Elder Abuse is another appropriate charge.

[MicaelS]

157. Charged with attempted murder, plus another charge..

And has another conviction. She's a scumbag.

https://losangeles.cbslocal.com/2018/07/12/woman-charged-with-attempted-murder-after-allegedly-beating-92-year-old-with-brick/

Laquisha Jones of Los Angeles has been charged with two counts. In addition to attempted murder Jones was also charged with elder abuse, infliction of injury.

Prosecutors asked that bail be set at $1.125 million.

The felony complaint includes special allegations that the defendant personally used a deadly and dangerous weapon, a brick, during the commission of the crime and that she committed great bodily injury upon the victim, identified as Rodolfo Rodriguez.


The charging document alleges that Jones was previously convicted of making criminal threats in 2017. CBS2’s Cristy Fajardo reported from the Compton courtroom and said Jones was on probation for this case.