Welcome to DU! The truly grassroots left-of-center political community where regular people, not algorithms, drive the discussions and set the standards. Join the community: Create a free account Support DU (and get rid of ads!): Become a Star Member All Forums Issue Forums Culture Forums Alliance Forums Region Forums Support Forums Help & Search

Mrs. Overall

(6,839 posts)
Fri Jul 13, 2018, 05:40 PM Jul 2018

Conservatives moving to impeach Rosenstein soon

Source: The Hill

Conservative lawmakers in the House are preparing to impeach deputy attorney general Rod Rosenstein, Politico reported Friday.

Sources told the publication that conservatives have been preparing to have Rosenstein impeached for weeks over allegations that he’s held up their probe into FBI agents those same lawmakers claim are biased against President Trump.

The magazine reported that the impeachment document could be filed as soon as Monday.

House Freedom Caucus leaders Reps. Mark Meadows (R-N.C.) and Jim Jordan (R-Ohio) are leading the effort.

Meadows’ spokesman Ben Williamson told Politico that the document had not been filed on Friday, and declined to rule out if it would be filed next week.

Read more: http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/396974-conservatives-moving-to-impeach-rosenstein-soon-report?__twitter_impression=true&__twitter_impression=true&__twitter_impression=true&__twitter_impression=true&__twitter_impression=true&__twitter_impression=true&__twitter_impression=true

76 replies = new reply since forum marked as read
Highlight: NoneDon't highlight anything 5 newestHighlight 5 most recent replies
Conservatives moving to impeach Rosenstein soon (Original Post) Mrs. Overall Jul 2018 OP
That would look very odd. Rosenstein indicts Russians on Friday, pnwmom Jul 2018 #1
Laughing because Rothstein pulled out the trump card on that nonsense. Impeccable timing. Fred Sanders Jul 2018 #11
Under what grounds? DownriverDem Jul 2018 #41
Getting too close to invalidating their entire rule RhodeIslandOne Jul 2018 #49
Hey RI Crutchez_CuiBono Jul 2018 #51
+1 Lulu KC Jul 2018 #61
The day Trump smooches Putin. n/t Qutzupalotl Jul 2018 #20
F**king traitors. I hope they try it so we can see exactly who has part of this whole mess still_one Jul 2018 #2
If they have the votes DownriverDem Jul 2018 #43
They still need 67 votes in the Senate Gothmog Jul 2018 #54
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ still_one Jul 2018 #63
Unless McConnell changes it to a simple majority like the SC vote Norbert Jul 2018 #73
He cannot do this Gothmog Jul 2018 #74
Will we never get rid of the Teabaggers? THEY are the real hold-up in stopping the US Hestia Jul 2018 #62
No surprise: pedo Gym Jordan is involved. Hassler Jul 2018 #3
very good name for the pos WhiteTara Jul 2018 #52
Retaliation, For Looking Like Fools..... Grassy Knoll Jul 2018 #4
They hate our country SHRED Jul 2018 #5
Not for We the People DownriverDem Jul 2018 #45
The dems need some hard asses to start kicking republican asses. IMO democrats of today are often RKP5637 Jul 2018 #58
Is it like presidential impeachment, where it doesn't necessarily mean removal? Squinch Jul 2018 #6
Yes. charlyvi Jul 2018 #10
Thank you! I think the firing is more likely. Rosenstein seems like he's keeping his spine in this Squinch Jul 2018 #12
I become more impressed with him each time I hear him. He is brilliant. Amaryllis Jul 2018 #39
He and Mueller MFM008 Jul 2018 #76
If Rosenstein was going to quit, he would've done it a long time ago. briv1016 Jul 2018 #60
I think Rosenstein and Mueller have a private agreement FakeNoose Jul 2018 #64
if they pull anything like that elmac Jul 2018 #7
plus mass consumer boycott - buy NOTHING for a couple of days jmbar2 Jul 2018 #42
How can the House impeach a Deputy Attorney General? Snellius Jul 2018 #8
Our current executive branch just makes up rules as they go along groundloop Jul 2018 #14
Any employee of the executive branch can be impeached. charlyvi Jul 2018 #15
Has a civil officer below the level of cabinet position ever been impeached? Snellius Jul 2018 #18
Here's a list of everyone who has been impeachedby the House. charlyvi Jul 2018 #22
Thank you. Learn everyday. That could be an interesting loophole in the Constitution someday. Snellius Jul 2018 #27
Yep. All about providing cover for Trump firing KPN Jul 2018 #35
Just remember that the House can Impeach ... BUT: Stonepounder Jul 2018 #25
When is the Senate going to hold hearings on Kavanaugh, House of Roberts Jul 2018 #34
They only need an hour or two for each WhiteTara Jul 2018 #55
And here is the repukes theme song Javaman Jul 2018 #9
More in Politico: Not likely Snellius Jul 2018 #13
Let's hope that Mueller has a Turbineguy Jul 2018 #16
Of course he does. TomSlick Jul 2018 #48
I seriously doubt the votes exist even in the house to do this beachbum bob Jul 2018 #17
I agree. charlyvi Jul 2018 #23
I'm going out on a limb here but, if tRimp fires Rosenstein and gets away with it, what is to stop alwaysinasnit Jul 2018 #19
Just touching on one of your points. GulfCoast66 Jul 2018 #71
Oh, dear God. That's just evil. Honeycombe8 Jul 2018 #21
Of course they are tavernier Jul 2018 #24
Shocked ouija Jul 2018 #26
This looks like something from the Onion...unfortunately, Ferrets are Cool Jul 2018 #28
Please proceed aeromanKC Jul 2018 #29
This is just a shiny object so that people stop talking about the disasterous congressional grantcart Jul 2018 #30
Thanks safeinOhio Jul 2018 #40
"Your Honor the defense calls Congressman Nunes to the witness seat" grantcart Jul 2018 #44
Rosenstein knows that is what they are going to do SummerSnow Jul 2018 #31
The only reason they want to remove him is to replace him with a lapdog that will work to undermine cstanleytech Jul 2018 #32
The good news it takes two thirds of the Senate to convict on an impeachment PuppyBismark Jul 2018 #33
Its because he won't turn over the evidence. At this point Historic NY Jul 2018 #36
Nice that the GOP is reminding the country that impeachment is an available tool bucolic_frolic Jul 2018 #37
More nonsense from the Freedom Fries brigade pecosbob Jul 2018 #38
Rosenstein impeachment articles are gross abuse meant to sabotage Mueller Russia probe Izzy Blue Jul 2018 #46
Let them try RocRizzo55 Jul 2018 #47
Is this a workaround, because it would expose Trump to impeachment if he fired Rosenstein? Honeycombe8 Jul 2018 #50
Exactly What I Was Going To Post ProfessorGAC Jul 2018 #68
Do you think it's weak? It seems like it could be effective & shut it down. ??? Honeycombe8 Jul 2018 #70
Yeah, I Still Think It's Weak ProfessorGAC Jul 2018 #75
How will they get a majority of the House or 67 votes in the Senate? Gothmog Jul 2018 #53
Symbolism for the base... brooklynite Jul 2018 #56
Power corrupts; absolute power corrupts absolutely. moondust Jul 2018 #57
Another Cover Up and Attack on Rule of Law TomCADem Jul 2018 #59
Sickening. nt SunSeeker Jul 2018 #65
I don't see why. The indictments yesterday make it seem like the fix is in. Calista241 Jul 2018 #66
I don't know why that's your conclusion renegade000 Jul 2018 #67
Those articles specifically talked about bringing on more permanent Calista241 Jul 2018 #69
America in 2018 - Part of the American government does everything in its power to protect a hostile Oneironaut Jul 2018 #72

Crutchez_CuiBono

(7,725 posts)
51. Hey RI
Fri Jul 13, 2018, 10:11 PM
Jul 2018

How about that mr. Cicilline? Wow.
You guys know how to pick them. Really brought the A game yesterday. Once he started speaking up and backing Mr Nadler...everyone fell in. Good lesson in life about leading.

Norbert

(6,030 posts)
73. Unless McConnell changes it to a simple majority like the SC vote
Sat Jul 14, 2018, 03:46 PM
Jul 2018

This asshole is likely to do anything.

 

Hestia

(3,818 posts)
62. Will we never get rid of the Teabaggers? THEY are the real hold-up in stopping the US
Sat Jul 14, 2018, 08:40 AM
Jul 2018

from having a functional government. Russian money is just gravy.

DownriverDem

(6,206 posts)
45. Not for We the People
Fri Jul 13, 2018, 08:56 PM
Jul 2018

They just are for the rich and corporations. They have always lied and cheated to win. They don't support tax dollars being used for programs they don't need. We are talking about Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid and food programs. They are destroying us and frankly if the Dems don't win in November, our country is gone.

RKP5637

(67,032 posts)
58. The dems need some hard asses to start kicking republican asses. IMO democrats of today are often
Fri Jul 13, 2018, 11:16 PM
Jul 2018

too nice and too smiley. Just my opinion. The GOP is now a party of barbarians and should be treated and managed as such. Being nice to them they take as a sign of weakness to be exploited.

charlyvi

(6,537 posts)
10. Yes.
Fri Jul 13, 2018, 06:13 PM
Jul 2018

Even if it passes with a majority in the House, it must get a supermajority in he Senate. I don't see that happening. My fear is that Trump will fire Rosenstein, using the argument that a majority of Repubs wanted him gone, but the evil Democrats blocked it. Or Rosenstein will just become fed up and quit.

Squinch

(50,773 posts)
12. Thank you! I think the firing is more likely. Rosenstein seems like he's keeping his spine in this
Fri Jul 13, 2018, 06:16 PM
Jul 2018

briv1016

(1,570 posts)
60. If Rosenstein was going to quit, he would've done it a long time ago.
Sat Jul 14, 2018, 03:38 AM
Jul 2018

But I have no doubt Donald will try to fire him.

FakeNoose

(32,351 posts)
64. I think Rosenstein and Mueller have a private agreement
Sat Jul 14, 2018, 09:54 AM
Jul 2018

It seems that they've been working together on this, almost since Trump was elected. Mueller was quietly involved even before Comey was fired and they've been at least one step ahead of Cheeto and the buffoons all along.

Mueller and Rosenstein both know the law, and they both have seen the evidence against the traitors. They're going to pull this off and they have the balls to do it.





 

elmac

(4,642 posts)
7. if they pull anything like that
Fri Jul 13, 2018, 06:10 PM
Jul 2018

I hope there are enough demonstrations to shut this country down, block roads, bridges, take over government offices, ect...

jmbar2

(4,832 posts)
42. plus mass consumer boycott - buy NOTHING for a couple of days
Fri Jul 13, 2018, 08:44 PM
Jul 2018

That would be felt immediately. A shot across the bough of corporations that are complicit in this mess.

Snellius

(6,881 posts)
8. How can the House impeach a Deputy Attorney General?
Fri Jul 13, 2018, 06:10 PM
Jul 2018

He can be fired by the Attorney General, but there's nothing in the Constitution about impeaching a Deputy Attorney General. Who's in the executive branch.

groundloop

(11,488 posts)
14. Our current executive branch just makes up rules as they go along
Fri Jul 13, 2018, 06:16 PM
Jul 2018

Kinda' like the spoiled kid who will cry if he loses at hide and seek.

In all seriousness, I'm not sure what it means to 'impeach' the Deputy Attorney General. Can someone shed some light on that?

charlyvi

(6,537 posts)
15. Any employee of the executive branch can be impeached.
Fri Jul 13, 2018, 06:18 PM
Jul 2018

Article II, Section 4 of the Constitution states:

Section 4.

The President, Vice President and all civil officers of the United States, shall be removed from office on impeachment for, and conviction of, treason, bribery, or other high crimes and misdemeanors.

Snellius

(6,881 posts)
18. Has a civil officer below the level of cabinet position ever been impeached?
Fri Jul 13, 2018, 06:27 PM
Jul 2018

That's a good one. If big enough majority, that could really get out of hand. Could they impeach an FBI agent? Strzok? Can Mueller be impeached? But only for treason, bribery, and high crimes, I suppose.

charlyvi

(6,537 posts)
22. Here's a list of everyone who has been impeachedby the House.
Fri Jul 13, 2018, 06:50 PM
Jul 2018

Lots of judges, three presidents and Sec. of War William W Belknap.

http://history.house.gov/Institution/Impeachment/Impeachment-List/


Probably anyone in the exec branch under the level of Cabinet head would just be fired, but that could be politically disastrous for Trump. I’d bet anything Trump discussed this move with Jordan and Meadows before he left. He probably thinks impeachment would take the heat of him and, even if it fails in the Senate, he could then say he has a valid reason for firing Rosenstein because a majority of Repubs wanted him gone.

Snellius

(6,881 posts)
27. Thank you. Learn everyday. That could be an interesting loophole in the Constitution someday.
Fri Jul 13, 2018, 07:15 PM
Jul 2018

With a sufficient super-majority in Senate the legislative branch could just clear the other two branches out. Unlikely yes. But legal loopholes in the Weimar constitution put Hitler in total control too.

KPN

(15,587 posts)
35. Yep. All about providing cover for Trump firing
Fri Jul 13, 2018, 08:17 PM
Jul 2018

Rosenstein soon. The skillet’s getting too hot.

Stonepounder

(4,033 posts)
25. Just remember that the House can Impeach ... BUT:
Fri Jul 13, 2018, 07:06 PM
Jul 2018

Even if the House impeached Rosenstein, which only requires a simple majority of the House, the closely divided Senate would never convict him, Herzik said. It takes a two-thirds majority to convict someone in a Senate impeachment trial. Republicans hold a slim 51-49 majority, and many of the Republicans would side with Democrats against conviction.

So, it is much more distraction, smoke and mirrors, than a serious possibility that the Congress could remove him.

House of Roberts

(5,120 posts)
34. When is the Senate going to hold hearings on Kavanaugh,
Fri Jul 13, 2018, 08:15 PM
Jul 2018

and find time to hold the impeachment hearings before the elections?

Snellius

(6,881 posts)
13. More in Politico: Not likely
Fri Jul 13, 2018, 06:16 PM
Jul 2018

"It is unclear how much support conservatives will have in their effort. Rosenstein has become a punching bag for Trump and his allies as they vent frustration over the Russia investigation. Since Attorney General Jeff Sessions recused himself, Rosenstein has overseen the Mueller probe, which is also examining potential obstruction of justice charges against the president.

But House GOP leaders like Speaker Paul Ryan have clearly been uncomfortable with the notion of going after Rosenstein. It’s unlikely that will change anytime soon, especially so soon after the latest indictments. Ryan’s office was not immediately available for comment."

https://www.politico.com/story/2018/07/13/house-republicans-rod-rosenstein-impeachment-719816

Turbineguy

(37,208 posts)
16. Let's hope that Mueller has a
Fri Jul 13, 2018, 06:23 PM
Jul 2018

doomsday machine for these clowns.

Of course, come Monday a bunch of these clowns could be under indictment themselves.

TomSlick

(11,034 posts)
48. Of course he does.
Fri Jul 13, 2018, 09:24 PM
Jul 2018

There are a set of sealed indictments that have been issued. If there is any serious threat to Mueller, then can be unsealed.

I can't take the impeachment threat seriously. I can't imagine it would ever be considered by the House. There is no way the Senate would vote by the required super majority to convict. I would expect that if Rosenstein is fired, the indictments would be unsealed before Mueller could be fired.

If I was a Republican Congressman, I would be concerned that I was one of the unindicted co-conspirators in today's indictment.

charlyvi

(6,537 posts)
23. I agree.
Fri Jul 13, 2018, 06:53 PM
Jul 2018

But if Trump is the mastermind behind this, the Republicans in Congress have a habit of giving him what he wants.

alwaysinasnit

(5,037 posts)
19. I'm going out on a limb here but, if tRimp fires Rosenstein and gets away with it, what is to stop
Fri Jul 13, 2018, 06:32 PM
Jul 2018

him from using a specious reason to declare martial law and suspending the November mid-term elections?

Given that we have fallen down the rabbit hole, where the unthinkable is no longer unthinkable, how likely is this?

Any thoughts, or am I just nuts?

GulfCoast66

(11,949 posts)
71. Just touching on one of your points.
Sat Jul 14, 2018, 02:56 PM
Jul 2018

The federal government does not run elections. The president has no control over them.

Totally up to the states.

It was hyperbole when the republicans said this about Obama and hyperbole now.

Honeycombe8

(37,648 posts)
21. Oh, dear God. That's just evil.
Fri Jul 13, 2018, 06:40 PM
Jul 2018

Rosenstein seems to be EXACTLY the kind of person anyone would want working in that position in the government.

I bet he and Mueller have a plan for how Mueller will proceed, if and when Rosenstein disappears one day. (Sort of like how people disappear in Russia.)

Ferrets are Cool

(21,063 posts)
28. This looks like something from the Onion...unfortunately,
Fri Jul 13, 2018, 07:22 PM
Jul 2018

it's the world we live in now because of the deplorables and Russia.

grantcart

(53,061 posts)
30. This is just a shiny object so that people stop talking about the disasterous congressional
Fri Jul 13, 2018, 07:34 PM
Jul 2018
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2018/04/29/can-trump-allies-really-impeach-deputy-ag-rod-rosenstein/550442002/

It wont get to the floor of the house and if it passed, it won't, the Senate would laugh it out of the building.

All the Republican Senators running for office this year would jump at the chance to look "wise and independent".

More over, if they had a trial Rosenstein would have the opportunity to call Republican staff for depositions and presumably subpoena particular items. Finally he would be able to put Republican Congressmen on the witness where they would be in jeopardy of perjury.

This is just about giving Fox news something to chew on while Trump gives American interests away to Russia.

safeinOhio

(32,531 posts)
40. Thanks
Fri Jul 13, 2018, 08:36 PM
Jul 2018

I thing that is all true. Might be in the country’s interst to challenge Meadows and Jordan to take a shot at it.

grantcart

(53,061 posts)
44. "Your Honor the defense calls Congressman Nunes to the witness seat"
Fri Jul 13, 2018, 08:50 PM
Jul 2018

They should be very careful.

If they bring it to the floor the Dems may just vote it in.

Right now Rosenstein has to sit and take it but if there is a trial he gets to fire back.

cstanleytech

(26,080 posts)
32. The only reason they want to remove him is to replace him with a lapdog that will work to undermine
Fri Jul 13, 2018, 07:49 PM
Jul 2018

the FBI for any future investigations into any Republican as well as to kill the current Russian investigation being conducted by Mueller especially if any of them were personally involved in betraying our country by secretly working with the Russians during the election.

PuppyBismark

(593 posts)
33. The good news it takes two thirds of the Senate to convict on an impeachment
Fri Jul 13, 2018, 08:09 PM
Jul 2018

So, the Democratic Senators can put an instant stop to this madness.

Historic NY

(37,449 posts)
36. Its because he won't turn over the evidence. At this point
Fri Jul 13, 2018, 08:19 PM
Jul 2018

they'd only give it to Trump. Rosenstein should invest in some black out markers.

bucolic_frolic

(42,673 posts)
37. Nice that the GOP is reminding the country that impeachment is an available tool
Fri Jul 13, 2018, 08:26 PM
Jul 2018

but I'm sure it won't succeed with Rosenstein

and this BTW is the Witch Hunt!

 

Izzy Blue

(282 posts)
46. Rosenstein impeachment articles are gross abuse meant to sabotage Mueller Russia probe
Fri Jul 13, 2018, 09:13 PM
Jul 2018


May 2, 2018 | Updated 9:27 p.m. ET May 2, 2018


"Meadows and Jordan are violating ethics rules and trying to sabotage Mueller's Russia probe with their articles of impeachment against Rod Rosenstein"


"In 1876, the House of Representatives voted to impeach Secretary of War William Belknap for what the U.S. Senate has described as “a pattern of corruption blatant even by the standards of the scandal-tarnished Grant administration.”

This is the only time in the 229-year history of the Constitution that an executive branch official other than a president has been impeached. Throughout our nation’s history, the House has recognized that impeachment power was not intended to be used for political, partisan or ideological purposes.

Yet apparently no one got the word to Republican Reps. Mark Meadows of North Carolina and Jim Jordan of Ohio. The two leaders of the House Freedom Caucus have threatened Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein with impeachment and now, led by Meadows, Freedom Caucus members have actually drafted articles of impeachment against Rosenstein.

His supposed offense? He had the temerity to refuse to throw open Justice Department files related to special counsel Robert Mueller's ongoing criminal investigation into Russian interference in the 2016 presidential election.

Members of Congress simply have no business injecting themselves into the middle of a Justice Department criminal investigation. Such actions can seriously undermine the investigation and provide assistance to its subjects and targets.
Story From U.S. Cellular Prepaid
No credit check, overages or activation fees with U.S. Cellular prepaid plans.
See more ?

Rosenstein flatly rejected this obvious effort to intimidate him and interfere with the Russia investigation. “The Department of Justice is not going to be extorted,” he said Tuesday in a clear reference to the demands and impeachment threats made by Freedom Caucus members.

The improper demand for documents by Meadows, Jordan and a small group of House GOP Trump enablers is part of a transparent effort to attack and discredit the special counsel investigation. Shortly after Meadows and Jordan met with Rosenstein to pressure him on obtaining documents, Meadows reportedly spoke to President Trump. Meadows refused to reveal the details of the conversation.

But Trump himself jumped into the fray Wednesday, tweeting an evident endorsement of the Meadows and Jordan complaints and threatening to "use the powers granted to the Presidency and get involved." No wonder. Those internal Justice documents about the investigation would be quite helpful to Trump as he prepares to deal with Mueller's questions.

Meadows, Jordan and their coterie are out to protect Trump at all costs — regardless of what the investigation finds. They also apparently are out to provide phony cover for Trump to fire Rosenstein or Mueller in the event he decides to do this.

The actions of Meadows, Jordan and their ilk constitutes constitute a gross abuse of their offices. They are attempting to misuse the impeachment process as a weapon for intimidation of Justice Department officials and to pervert the process in a manner never envisioned by the Founding Fathers or previously undertaken by the House.

We know this in part because we have seen this movie before.

In the last Congress, Meadows and Jordan recklessly pursued a meritless effort to impeach IRS Commissioner John Koskinen. The claims against Koskinen were investigated by the Justice Department and by the Inspector General of the Treasury Department, and neither found any wrongdoing by Koskinen"

.
more
https://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2...572548002/
 

RocRizzo55

(980 posts)
47. Let them try
Fri Jul 13, 2018, 09:23 PM
Jul 2018

They will literally have hell to pay. They think that they are getting harassed now? If they do that they will not be able to go out of their house without people harassing them. Then there will be the demonstrations that will shut down the government.
They don't seem to realize that there are more of us than there are of them.

Honeycombe8

(37,648 posts)
50. Is this a workaround, because it would expose Trump to impeachment if he fired Rosenstein?
Fri Jul 13, 2018, 10:03 PM
Jul 2018

I think so. This is Plan B.

So the Rosenstein replacement will shut down the investigation, whether by stopping it altogether, or by limiting it severely, and most definitely will give the investigation materials to the White House.

And then what? If the Republicans are on board, what can be done? (and if past behavior is any indication, the Republicans will be on board with shutting the investigation down.) Nothing can interfere with their Grand Scheme...taking over the country completely for the wealthy and corporations. Everything that benefits the people will be wiped out. Social Security, Medicare, environmental protections, workers' rights, min. wage, health care, overtime, a 40 hour work week.....you name it.



ProfessorGAC

(64,420 posts)
68. Exactly What I Was Going To Post
Sat Jul 14, 2018, 11:57 AM
Jul 2018

A weak attempt at a futile end run. Has no merit, but limits exposure to their tin pot leader!

Honeycombe8

(37,648 posts)
70. Do you think it's weak? It seems like it could be effective & shut it down. ???
Sat Jul 14, 2018, 12:57 PM
Jul 2018

These guys are such traitors. I never would have believed our country would get to this point. I have known since the Bush-Cheney years that there is a group of Repubs that is evil....but I had no idea they'd go this far. They've actually turned their backs on protecting the country for the sake of a buck they can get tomorrow.

ProfessorGAC

(64,420 posts)
75. Yeah, I Still Think It's Weak
Sun Jul 15, 2018, 06:19 AM
Jul 2018

I essentially agree with you, but this nonsense has no chance of succeeding.
Hence, I consider it weak grandstanding to their idiot base.

moondust

(19,917 posts)
57. Power corrupts; absolute power corrupts absolutely.
Fri Jul 13, 2018, 11:08 PM
Jul 2018

Republicans have been engaged in corrupting American democracy for so long through gerrymandering, voter suppression, etc., that they have apparently come to believe that controlling all three branches of the federal government gives them the power to use their votes to simply disappear anything that makes them feel uncomfortable.

Calista241

(5,584 posts)
66. I don't see why. The indictments yesterday make it seem like the fix is in.
Sat Jul 14, 2018, 11:17 AM
Jul 2018

The only other guaranteed indictment to come is Wikileaks and Julian Assange's. And Assange is going to have a pretty decent case that they're a journalistic organization. Unless there's a lot more incriminating communication activity between Wikileaks and the Trump campaign than has already been revealed, then Trump is going to get off.

I'm not convinced Mueller and Rosenstein will attempt to prosecute for obstruction of justice without proof of an underlying crime. It's not a crime to lie to the media, or even in a public statement. It only counts if you lie to the FBI.

renegade000

(2,301 posts)
67. I don't know why that's your conclusion
Sat Jul 14, 2018, 11:40 AM
Jul 2018

He's significantly expanding his team of prosecutors, you don't do that without the high likelihood of many more indictments.

Calista241

(5,584 posts)
69. Those articles specifically talked about bringing on more permanent
Sat Jul 14, 2018, 12:17 PM
Jul 2018

Staff to pursue charges against the Russians. Mainly to familiarize themselves with the cases before transfer to other divisions of the DOJ. Yesterday’s indictments are in line with those statements.

Most of the press mentioned the fact that the special counsels investigation would be wrapping up soon, and that current staff would be transferred to other divisions when the probe ends.

Maybe I’m being a pessimist, but I’ve been through this before with Fitzmas.

Oneironaut

(5,461 posts)
72. America in 2018 - Part of the American government does everything in its power to protect a hostile
Sat Jul 14, 2018, 03:00 PM
Jul 2018

foreign power that wants to destroy America. It’s like the Twilight Zone.

Latest Discussions»Latest Breaking News»Conservatives moving to i...