Conservatives moving to impeach Rosenstein soon
Source: The Hill
Conservative lawmakers in the House are preparing to impeach deputy attorney general Rod Rosenstein, Politico reported Friday.
Sources told the publication that conservatives have been preparing to have Rosenstein impeached for weeks over allegations that hes held up their probe into FBI agents those same lawmakers claim are biased against President Trump.
The magazine reported that the impeachment document could be filed as soon as Monday.
House Freedom Caucus leaders Reps. Mark Meadows (R-N.C.) and Jim Jordan (R-Ohio) are leading the effort.
Meadows spokesman Ben Williamson told Politico that the document had not been filed on Friday, and declined to rule out if it would be filed next week.
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pnwmom
(108,925 posts)they impeach Rosenstein on Monday?
Fred Sanders
(23,946 posts)DownriverDem
(6,206 posts)Seriously, what has he done that would warrant impeachment?
RhodeIslandOne
(5,042 posts)Crutchez_CuiBono
(7,725 posts)How about that mr. Cicilline? Wow.
You guys know how to pick them. Really brought the A game yesterday. Once he started speaking up and backing Mr Nadler...everyone fell in. Good lesson in life about leading.
Lulu KC
(2,547 posts)Qutzupalotl
(14,230 posts)still_one
(91,951 posts)DownriverDem
(6,206 posts)they don't need to try. They can do what they want.
Gothmog
(143,999 posts)still_one
(91,951 posts)Norbert
(6,030 posts)This asshole is likely to do anything.
Gothmog
(143,999 posts)This is set forth in the Constitution
Hestia
(3,818 posts)from having a functional government. Russian money is just gravy.
Hassler
(3,321 posts)WhiteTara
(29,676 posts)Grassy Knoll
(10,118 posts)SHRED
(28,136 posts)They prove it with their traitorous actions.
DownriverDem
(6,206 posts)They just are for the rich and corporations. They have always lied and cheated to win. They don't support tax dollars being used for programs they don't need. We are talking about Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid and food programs. They are destroying us and frankly if the Dems don't win in November, our country is gone.
RKP5637
(67,032 posts)too nice and too smiley. Just my opinion. The GOP is now a party of barbarians and should be treated and managed as such. Being nice to them they take as a sign of weakness to be exploited.
Squinch
(50,773 posts)Even if it passes with a majority in the House, it must get a supermajority in he Senate. I don't see that happening. My fear is that Trump will fire Rosenstein, using the argument that a majority of Repubs wanted him gone, but the evil Democrats blocked it. Or Rosenstein will just become fed up and quit.
Squinch
(50,773 posts)Amaryllis
(9,523 posts)MFM008
(19,776 posts)Seem so smart,
Yet they claim to be republicans.
I dont get it.
briv1016
(1,570 posts)But I have no doubt Donald will try to fire him.
FakeNoose
(32,351 posts)It seems that they've been working together on this, almost since Trump was elected. Mueller was quietly involved even before Comey was fired and they've been at least one step ahead of Cheeto and the buffoons all along.
Mueller and Rosenstein both know the law, and they both have seen the evidence against the traitors. They're going to pull this off and they have the balls to do it.
elmac
(4,642 posts)I hope there are enough demonstrations to shut this country down, block roads, bridges, take over government offices, ect...
jmbar2
(4,832 posts)That would be felt immediately. A shot across the bough of corporations that are complicit in this mess.
Snellius
(6,881 posts)He can be fired by the Attorney General, but there's nothing in the Constitution about impeaching a Deputy Attorney General. Who's in the executive branch.
groundloop
(11,488 posts)Kinda' like the spoiled kid who will cry if he loses at hide and seek.
In all seriousness, I'm not sure what it means to 'impeach' the Deputy Attorney General. Can someone shed some light on that?
charlyvi
(6,537 posts)Article II, Section 4 of the Constitution states:
Section 4.
The President, Vice President and all civil officers of the United States, shall be removed from office on impeachment for, and conviction of, treason, bribery, or other high crimes and misdemeanors.
Snellius
(6,881 posts)That's a good one. If big enough majority, that could really get out of hand. Could they impeach an FBI agent? Strzok? Can Mueller be impeached? But only for treason, bribery, and high crimes, I suppose.
charlyvi
(6,537 posts)Lots of judges, three presidents and Sec. of War William W Belknap.
http://history.house.gov/Institution/Impeachment/Impeachment-List/
Probably anyone in the exec branch under the level of Cabinet head would just be fired, but that could be politically disastrous for Trump. Id bet anything Trump discussed this move with Jordan and Meadows before he left. He probably thinks impeachment would take the heat of him and, even if it fails in the Senate, he could then say he has a valid reason for firing Rosenstein because a majority of Repubs wanted him gone.
Snellius
(6,881 posts)With a sufficient super-majority in Senate the legislative branch could just clear the other two branches out. Unlikely yes. But legal loopholes in the Weimar constitution put Hitler in total control too.
KPN
(15,587 posts)Rosenstein soon. The skillets getting too hot.
Stonepounder
(4,033 posts)Even if the House impeached Rosenstein, which only requires a simple majority of the House, the closely divided Senate would never convict him, Herzik said. It takes a two-thirds majority to convict someone in a Senate impeachment trial. Republicans hold a slim 51-49 majority, and many of the Republicans would side with Democrats against conviction.
So, it is much more distraction, smoke and mirrors, than a serious possibility that the Congress could remove him.
House of Roberts
(5,120 posts)and find time to hold the impeachment hearings before the elections?
WhiteTara
(29,676 posts)couple of days and we're cooked.
Javaman
(62,439 posts)Snellius
(6,881 posts)"It is unclear how much support conservatives will have in their effort. Rosenstein has become a punching bag for Trump and his allies as they vent frustration over the Russia investigation. Since Attorney General Jeff Sessions recused himself, Rosenstein has overseen the Mueller probe, which is also examining potential obstruction of justice charges against the president.
But House GOP leaders like Speaker Paul Ryan have clearly been uncomfortable with the notion of going after Rosenstein. Its unlikely that will change anytime soon, especially so soon after the latest indictments. Ryans office was not immediately available for comment."
https://www.politico.com/story/2018/07/13/house-republicans-rod-rosenstein-impeachment-719816
Turbineguy
(37,208 posts)doomsday machine for these clowns.
Of course, come Monday a bunch of these clowns could be under indictment themselves.
TomSlick
(11,034 posts)There are a set of sealed indictments that have been issued. If there is any serious threat to Mueller, then can be unsealed.
I can't take the impeachment threat seriously. I can't imagine it would ever be considered by the House. There is no way the Senate would vote by the required super majority to convict. I would expect that if Rosenstein is fired, the indictments would be unsealed before Mueller could be fired.
If I was a Republican Congressman, I would be concerned that I was one of the unindicted co-conspirators in today's indictment.
beachbum bob
(10,437 posts)more theater by the batshit crazies
charlyvi
(6,537 posts)But if Trump is the mastermind behind this, the Republicans in Congress have a habit of giving him what he wants.
alwaysinasnit
(5,037 posts)him from using a specious reason to declare martial law and suspending the November mid-term elections?
Given that we have fallen down the rabbit hole, where the unthinkable is no longer unthinkable, how likely is this?
Any thoughts, or am I just nuts?
GulfCoast66
(11,949 posts)The federal government does not run elections. The president has no control over them.
Totally up to the states.
It was hyperbole when the republicans said this about Obama and hyperbole now.
Honeycombe8
(37,648 posts)Rosenstein seems to be EXACTLY the kind of person anyone would want working in that position in the government.
I bet he and Mueller have a plan for how Mueller will proceed, if and when Rosenstein disappears one day. (Sort of like how people disappear in Russia.)
tavernier
(12,322 posts)Because HES the problem.
Thats all.
Ferrets are Cool
(21,063 posts)it's the world we live in now because of the deplorables and Russia.
aeromanKC
(3,307 posts)Ya, you just go ahead with that child kidnappers and sex abuse enablers.
grantcart
(53,061 posts)It wont get to the floor of the house and if it passed, it won't, the Senate would laugh it out of the building.
All the Republican Senators running for office this year would jump at the chance to look "wise and independent".
More over, if they had a trial Rosenstein would have the opportunity to call Republican staff for depositions and presumably subpoena particular items. Finally he would be able to put Republican Congressmen on the witness where they would be in jeopardy of perjury.
This is just about giving Fox news something to chew on while Trump gives American interests away to Russia.
safeinOhio
(32,531 posts)I thing that is all true. Might be in the countrys interst to challenge Meadows and Jordan to take a shot at it.
grantcart
(53,061 posts)They should be very careful.
If they bring it to the floor the Dems may just vote it in.
Right now Rosenstein has to sit and take it but if there is a trial he gets to fire back.
SummerSnow
(12,608 posts)cstanleytech
(26,080 posts)the FBI for any future investigations into any Republican as well as to kill the current Russian investigation being conducted by Mueller especially if any of them were personally involved in betraying our country by secretly working with the Russians during the election.
PuppyBismark
(593 posts)So, the Democratic Senators can put an instant stop to this madness.
Historic NY
(37,449 posts)they'd only give it to Trump. Rosenstein should invest in some black out markers.
bucolic_frolic
(42,673 posts)but I'm sure it won't succeed with Rosenstein
and this BTW is the Witch Hunt!
pecosbob
(7,506 posts)Izzy Blue
(282 posts)May 2, 2018 | Updated 9:27 p.m. ET May 2, 2018
"Meadows and Jordan are violating ethics rules and trying to sabotage Mueller's Russia probe with their articles of impeachment against Rod Rosenstein"
"In 1876, the House of Representatives voted to impeach Secretary of War William Belknap for what the U.S. Senate has described as a pattern of corruption blatant even by the standards of the scandal-tarnished Grant administration.
This is the only time in the 229-year history of the Constitution that an executive branch official other than a president has been impeached. Throughout our nations history, the House has recognized that impeachment power was not intended to be used for political, partisan or ideological purposes.
Yet apparently no one got the word to Republican Reps. Mark Meadows of North Carolina and Jim Jordan of Ohio. The two leaders of the House Freedom Caucus have threatened Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein with impeachment and now, led by Meadows, Freedom Caucus members have actually drafted articles of impeachment against Rosenstein.
His supposed offense? He had the temerity to refuse to throw open Justice Department files related to special counsel Robert Mueller's ongoing criminal investigation into Russian interference in the 2016 presidential election.
Members of Congress simply have no business injecting themselves into the middle of a Justice Department criminal investigation. Such actions can seriously undermine the investigation and provide assistance to its subjects and targets.
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Rosenstein flatly rejected this obvious effort to intimidate him and interfere with the Russia investigation. The Department of Justice is not going to be extorted, he said Tuesday in a clear reference to the demands and impeachment threats made by Freedom Caucus members.
The improper demand for documents by Meadows, Jordan and a small group of House GOP Trump enablers is part of a transparent effort to attack and discredit the special counsel investigation. Shortly after Meadows and Jordan met with Rosenstein to pressure him on obtaining documents, Meadows reportedly spoke to President Trump. Meadows refused to reveal the details of the conversation.
But Trump himself jumped into the fray Wednesday, tweeting an evident endorsement of the Meadows and Jordan complaints and threatening to "use the powers granted to the Presidency and get involved." No wonder. Those internal Justice documents about the investigation would be quite helpful to Trump as he prepares to deal with Mueller's questions.
Meadows, Jordan and their coterie are out to protect Trump at all costs regardless of what the investigation finds. They also apparently are out to provide phony cover for Trump to fire Rosenstein or Mueller in the event he decides to do this.
The actions of Meadows, Jordan and their ilk constitutes constitute a gross abuse of their offices. They are attempting to misuse the impeachment process as a weapon for intimidation of Justice Department officials and to pervert the process in a manner never envisioned by the Founding Fathers or previously undertaken by the House.
We know this in part because we have seen this movie before.
In the last Congress, Meadows and Jordan recklessly pursued a meritless effort to impeach IRS Commissioner John Koskinen. The claims against Koskinen were investigated by the Justice Department and by the Inspector General of the Treasury Department, and neither found any wrongdoing by Koskinen"
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https://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2...572548002/
RocRizzo55
(980 posts)They will literally have hell to pay. They think that they are getting harassed now? If they do that they will not be able to go out of their house without people harassing them. Then there will be the demonstrations that will shut down the government.
They don't seem to realize that there are more of us than there are of them.
Honeycombe8
(37,648 posts)I think so. This is Plan B.
So the Rosenstein replacement will shut down the investigation, whether by stopping it altogether, or by limiting it severely, and most definitely will give the investigation materials to the White House.
And then what? If the Republicans are on board, what can be done? (and if past behavior is any indication, the Republicans will be on board with shutting the investigation down.) Nothing can interfere with their Grand Scheme...taking over the country completely for the wealthy and corporations. Everything that benefits the people will be wiped out. Social Security, Medicare, environmental protections, workers' rights, min. wage, health care, overtime, a 40 hour work week.....you name it.
ProfessorGAC
(64,420 posts)A weak attempt at a futile end run. Has no merit, but limits exposure to their tin pot leader!
Honeycombe8
(37,648 posts)These guys are such traitors. I never would have believed our country would get to this point. I have known since the Bush-Cheney years that there is a group of Repubs that is evil....but I had no idea they'd go this far. They've actually turned their backs on protecting the country for the sake of a buck they can get tomorrow.
ProfessorGAC
(64,420 posts)I essentially agree with you, but this nonsense has no chance of succeeding.
Hence, I consider it weak grandstanding to their idiot base.
Gothmog
(143,999 posts)brooklynite
(93,852 posts)You still need 2/3 vote of the Senate.
moondust
(19,917 posts)Republicans have been engaged in corrupting American democracy for so long through gerrymandering, voter suppression, etc., that they have apparently come to believe that controlling all three branches of the federal government gives them the power to use their votes to simply disappear anything that makes them feel uncomfortable.
TomCADem
(17,378 posts)nt
SunSeeker
(51,368 posts)Calista241
(5,584 posts)The only other guaranteed indictment to come is Wikileaks and Julian Assange's. And Assange is going to have a pretty decent case that they're a journalistic organization. Unless there's a lot more incriminating communication activity between Wikileaks and the Trump campaign than has already been revealed, then Trump is going to get off.
I'm not convinced Mueller and Rosenstein will attempt to prosecute for obstruction of justice without proof of an underlying crime. It's not a crime to lie to the media, or even in a public statement. It only counts if you lie to the FBI.
renegade000
(2,301 posts)He's significantly expanding his team of prosecutors, you don't do that without the high likelihood of many more indictments.
Calista241
(5,584 posts)Staff to pursue charges against the Russians. Mainly to familiarize themselves with the cases before transfer to other divisions of the DOJ. Yesterdays indictments are in line with those statements.
Most of the press mentioned the fact that the special counsels investigation would be wrapping up soon, and that current staff would be transferred to other divisions when the probe ends.
Maybe Im being a pessimist, but Ive been through this before with Fitzmas.
Oneironaut
(5,461 posts)foreign power that wants to destroy America. Its like the Twilight Zone.