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Sat Jul 14, 2018, 05:16 PM

Red-state Dem tells Schumer to 'kiss my you know what' on Supreme Court vote

Source: The Hil

Democratic Sen. Joe Manchin (W.Va.) had strong words for Senate Minority Leader Charles Schumer’s (D-N.Y.) efforts to unify the party against President Trump’s Supreme Court pick.

Manchin suggested to Politico that Schumer does not have any influence over whether or not he supports Brett Kavanaugh’s nomination.

“I’ll be 71 years old in August, you’re going to whip me? Kiss my you know what,” Manchin told Politico, referring to whipping votes among the party caucus.

Schumer has spoken out harshly against Kavanaugh and vowed to oppose him “with everything I’ve got.” Democrats will need at least two GOP votes, in addition to all Democrats, to block the nomination.

But Democrats up for reelection in Trump states are not guaranteed votes against the confirmation, and many have signaled that Schumer’s efforts may not be enough to convince them to vote against the nominee.

Read more: http://thehill.com/homenews/senate/397020-red-state-dem-tells-schumer-to-kiss-my-you-know-what-on-supreme-court-vote



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Reply Red-state Dem tells Schumer to 'kiss my you know what' on Supreme Court vote (Original post)
Calista241 Jul 2018 OP
Iliyah Jul 2018 #1
theaocp Jul 2018 #4
rzemanfl Jul 2018 #9
emulatorloo Jul 2018 #18
bucolic_frolic Jul 2018 #8
Hortensis Jul 2018 #52
EndGOPPropaganda Jul 2018 #53
theaocp Jul 2018 #2
bearsfootball516 Jul 2018 #3
bucolic_frolic Jul 2018 #6
Honeycombe8 Jul 2018 #10
theaocp Jul 2018 #13
Kaleva Jul 2018 #43
Snotcicles Jul 2018 #29
HopeAgain Jul 2018 #31
bearsfootball516 Jul 2018 #37
HopeAgain Jul 2018 #38
alwaysinasnit Jul 2018 #40
Squinch Jul 2018 #5
BeyondGeography Jul 2018 #12
Squinch Jul 2018 #14
BeyondGeography Jul 2018 #21
Squinch Jul 2018 #22
emulatorloo Jul 2018 #23
emulatorloo Jul 2018 #17
Squinch Jul 2018 #54
Honeycombe8 Jul 2018 #7
heaven05 Jul 2018 #11
bucolic_frolic Jul 2018 #15
mountain grammy Jul 2018 #16
yallerdawg Jul 2018 #19
still_one Jul 2018 #20
yallerdawg Jul 2018 #25
Equinox Moon Jul 2018 #24
yallerdawg Jul 2018 #26
Equinox Moon Jul 2018 #27
Equinox Moon Jul 2018 #28
yallerdawg Jul 2018 #30
Calista241 Jul 2018 #36
PoliticAverse Jul 2018 #33
Tatiana Jul 2018 #32
Initech Jul 2018 #34
left-of-center2012 Jul 2018 #35
oasis Jul 2018 #39
dflprincess Jul 2018 #41
PoliticAverse Jul 2018 #42
dflprincess Jul 2018 #44
Yupster Jul 2018 #47
PoliticAverse Jul 2018 #49
PoliticAverse Jul 2018 #48
oasis Jul 2018 #45
dflprincess Jul 2018 #46
Lib4lif3 Jul 2018 #57
oasis Jul 2018 #58
Orsino Jul 2018 #59
oasis Jul 2018 #60
JCMach1 Jul 2018 #50
duforsure Jul 2018 #51
Maxheader Jul 2018 #55
BlueMTexpat Jul 2018 #56
nolabels Jul 2018 #61
BlueMTexpat Jul 2018 #62

Response to Calista241 (Original post)

Sat Jul 14, 2018, 05:18 PM

1. I'll wait and see. It's Politico/Hill

Republicans mudding the waters as usual.

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Response to Iliyah (Reply #1)

Sat Jul 14, 2018, 05:20 PM

4. Is this or is this not a quote?

“I’ll be 71 years old in August, you’re going to whip me? Kiss my you know what."

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Response to theaocp (Reply #4)

Sat Jul 14, 2018, 05:30 PM

9. Me too. But I'm a Democrat. nt

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Response to theaocp (Reply #4)

Sat Jul 14, 2018, 05:53 PM

18. Yeah it's a quote. Sort of a meaningless quote. Nonetheless the hill likes to stir up shit

Last edited Sat Jul 14, 2018, 06:53 PM - Edit history (1)

And muddy the waters. Cuz that’s what the hill does.

That quote is just Manchin asserting his “independence” from Schumer. That’s sort of an obligatory thing these red state Dems have to say.

When push comes to shove he may come up w an independent reason to vote no on Kavanaugh.
, time will tell.

See this post below for a possible reason Manchin might have to vote no:

https://www.democraticunderground.com/10142109450#post21

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Response to Iliyah (Reply #1)

Sat Jul 14, 2018, 05:30 PM

8. This is a hell of a year to buck the Blue Wave

even in red state West Virginia. Go with the momentum, Joe.

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Response to Iliyah (Reply #1)

Sun Jul 15, 2018, 06:39 AM

52. Repubs see Manchin's seat as in play -- a flip to red.

Manchin votes roughly half and half with Repubs and with us. If he loses to a Repub, that person will vote 95-100% with the Repubs.

When this particular Democratic senator publicly invites Schumer to kiss his ass, Schumer understands perfectly.

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Response to Iliyah (Reply #1)

Sun Jul 15, 2018, 06:57 AM

53. The Hill is owned by a Trumpite Republican

Though theHill has some good jounalists who still prioritize truth,
Their owner is a Trumpite right winger who slants their coverage.

No one at DU should be reading the Hill.

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Response to Calista241 (Original post)

Sat Jul 14, 2018, 05:18 PM

2. Good to know that

he'll be there when he's needed. He thinks he can go it alone? Fine. FUCK HIM. D.I.N.O.

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Response to Calista241 (Original post)

Sat Jul 14, 2018, 05:19 PM

3. Manchin is in one of the reddest states in th country.

I’d be stunned if he doesn’t vote to confirm. Not doing so would be political suicide for him.

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Response to bearsfootball516 (Reply #3)

Sat Jul 14, 2018, 05:26 PM

6. Republican Senators who shelved Merrick Garland suffered no ill effects for their actions

Little reason to think Manchin would face any adverse consequences at the ballot box if he voted against him. Only evangelicals make a lot of noise about Supreme Court nominees.

And if by chance Manchin loses because he voted against confirmation? At least we got something for his vote. Just once.

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Response to bucolic_frolic (Reply #6)

Sat Jul 14, 2018, 05:30 PM

10. I think many Repubs besides evangelicals focus on the S.Ct.

That party focuses on that more than Dems do, IMO. The rural blue collar Repubs probably don't grasp the importance of it, but I'm pretty sure the rank & file middle class Repubs do.

He will vote how his constituents want him to. I heard on tv, as regards politicians doing the "right thing," that the name of the game for them is...to stay in the game.

Thing is...will the Dems in his state not vote for him if he votes to confirm Kavanaugh? Why isn't Manchin worried about the Dems in his state? Is it because he knows they are more likely to let it slide than the Repubs?

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Response to Honeycombe8 (Reply #10)

Sat Jul 14, 2018, 05:33 PM

13. Yes.

Dems are easily scared by the mantra, "Where else you gonna go?"

Conservatives don't fear that as much. False bravado, but it works.

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Response to bucolic_frolic (Reply #6)

Sat Jul 14, 2018, 09:25 PM

43. Repub Sen. Kelly Ayotte of New Hampshire was defeated

""I continue to believe the Senate should not move forward with the confirmation process until the people have spoken by electing a new president," said Sen. Kelly Ayotte of New Hampshire, another threatened Republican who is facing a tough re-election against the sitting Democratic governor of her state, Maggie Hassan. "

https://www.cnn.com/2016/03/19/politics/supreme-court-senate-recess/index.html

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Response to bearsfootball516 (Reply #3)

Sat Jul 14, 2018, 07:14 PM

29. He needs to put the good of the country ahead of his political ambition. He has been freeloading off

that red-state BS long enough. Time for his slimy self to get off the fence. He or his seat isn't worth a lifetime of bad rulings on the SCOTUS.

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Response to bearsfootball516 (Reply #3)

Sat Jul 14, 2018, 07:25 PM

31. So he will be of no use to the Democrats

if he votes for Kavanaugh; there might as well be a Republican in the seat.

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Response to HopeAgain (Reply #31)

Sat Jul 14, 2018, 07:54 PM

37. I'd rather have a blue dog who votes Democrat 50 percent of the time

Than a Republican who votes Republican 100 percent of the time.

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Response to bearsfootball516 (Reply #37)

Sat Jul 14, 2018, 08:40 PM

38. This is not just another vote

I don't want to share political affiliation with anyone who can vote to fuck this country and everything the party is supposed to stand for.

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Response to bearsfootball516 (Reply #37)

Sat Jul 14, 2018, 08:59 PM

40. Hate to say this but Manchin votes 60% in line with tRump's positions according to 538

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Response to Calista241 (Original post)

Sat Jul 14, 2018, 05:23 PM

5. Manchin kind of has to say that. He's in West Virginia. What is interesting is that he is NOT

saying he'll support Kavanaugh.

That answer was quite slick, actually.

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Response to Squinch (Reply #5)

Sat Jul 14, 2018, 05:33 PM

12. Agreed...I'm actually confident he's a no

The first thing he came out in response to the nomination was the need for a justice who will protect the rights of W Virginians with pre-existing conditions.

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Response to BeyondGeography (Reply #12)

Sat Jul 14, 2018, 05:35 PM

14. I'm certainly not confident, but that statement gives me hope.

And damn. A family member just had a serious medical emergency treated in one of West Virginia's premier medical facilities. What a friggin' mess.

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Response to Squinch (Reply #14)

Sat Jul 14, 2018, 06:26 PM

21. Here it is

“The Supreme Court will ultimately decide if nearly 800,000 West Virginians with pre-existing conditions will lose their healthcare. This decision will directly impact almost 40% of my state, so I’m very interested in his position on protecting West Virginians with pre-existing conditions.

https://www.manchin.senate.gov/newsroom/press-releases/07/09/2018/manchin-statement-on-presidents-supreme-court-nominee

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Response to BeyondGeography (Reply #21)

Sat Jul 14, 2018, 06:35 PM

22. Then this dick swing against Schumer might just be

him clearing his way to a no vote. He disrespected the guy from New York, so now maybe his constituents will forgive him for voting no.

I hope that's what this is.

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Response to BeyondGeography (Reply #21)

Sat Jul 14, 2018, 06:53 PM

23. Thanks for the quote and link

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Response to Squinch (Reply #5)

Sat Jul 14, 2018, 05:51 PM

17. Well said. He can come up with a reason to vote no when it is actually time to vote.

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Response to emulatorloo (Reply #17)

Sun Jul 15, 2018, 06:57 AM

54. And he's given his constituents the thrill of watching him

smack down the New Yorker. Which is really what they care about anyway.

I really hope we're right about this.

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Response to Calista241 (Original post)

Sat Jul 14, 2018, 05:26 PM

7. Well, that doesn't bode well for a "no" vote on Manchin. This should not have happened in public.

What a distressing spectacle. Couldn't they keep it behind closed doors?

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Response to Calista241 (Original post)

Sat Jul 14, 2018, 05:33 PM

11. I knew when he won

 

and I want to see what that Alabama red state demo does. The one who beat the trump perv clone. Blue dogs are a fact of life but damn protect Americans first!!!!!!!!!!!

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Response to Calista241 (Original post)

Sat Jul 14, 2018, 05:37 PM

15. How reliable is this story, accurate, or overemphasized?

If you wanted to sew discontent and despair amongst Democrats, Russian operative or not, you couldn't do much better than this one.

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Response to Calista241 (Original post)

Sat Jul 14, 2018, 05:43 PM

16. I hope he does the right thing..can only hope

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Response to Calista241 (Original post)

Sat Jul 14, 2018, 05:57 PM

19. I had a Red State Blue Dog House Democrat...

who came in with the first Obama wave. He opposed each and every Democratic issue in the House (but we had the numbers, see?).

The only "liberal" vote he ever made was in support of Nancy Pelosi for Speaker.

Just this one vote and the D after his name got him out in 2010.

No Red State Democrat can bow down to Chuck Schumer and not regret it.

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Response to yallerdawg (Reply #19)

Sat Jul 14, 2018, 06:24 PM

20. I suspect your logic will fall on deaf ears among some. Some fail to grasp that numbers are

critical in both the House and Senate in order to control the agenda

If people are really serious about stopping or at least pushing back on trump and the republicans, manchin has to do whatever it takes to win in West Virginia

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Response to still_one (Reply #20)

Sat Jul 14, 2018, 06:54 PM

25. Bobby Bright (D) in 2008 is running 10 years later as an (R).

What are they still dinging him for? THAT ONE VOTE!


Still from Martha Roby ad for next week's primary runoff:




Tweet from a jackass:




By the way.

Bobby Bright tells people that vote was a "no brainer." She was the only Democrat running for Speaker.

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Response to Calista241 (Original post)

Sat Jul 14, 2018, 06:53 PM

24. What is the point of him saying he is a Dem and votes red?

What is the point? How is he a Democrat? Does he ever vote with the Dems? Does he stand for any of the Dem Party positions? I don't get it. So he is in a red state and holds a Dem title but votes red. How is that a Dem?

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Response to Equinox Moon (Reply #24)

Sat Jul 14, 2018, 07:00 PM

26. Yes. He does.

It wasn't just John McCain who saved the Affordable Care Act.

To name one vote.

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Response to yallerdawg (Reply #26)

Sat Jul 14, 2018, 07:05 PM

27. Okay, that was an important vote. Glad he was a part of it.

I wonder what % of his votes are with Dems? I might look it up.

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Response to yallerdawg (Reply #26)

Sat Jul 14, 2018, 07:13 PM

28. Found an interesting chart that plots out their votes.

Manchin is voting Republican light. He is the most extreme Dem voter in regards to how often he votes with Republicans, according to the chart.
He is up for re-election in 2018.

https://www.govtrack.us/congress/members/joe_manchin/412391

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Response to Equinox Moon (Reply #28)

Sat Jul 14, 2018, 07:19 PM

30. Walking a fine line, isn't he?

You know the state that had the highest percentage of deplorable voters? Yes, West Virginia.


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Response to yallerdawg (Reply #30)

Sat Jul 14, 2018, 07:40 PM

36. That graph is fascinating.

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Response to Equinox Moon (Reply #24)

Sat Jul 14, 2018, 07:30 PM

33. You have to distingush between voting with the Republicans when it doesn't matter...

and voting with the Democrats when it does.

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Response to Calista241 (Original post)

Sat Jul 14, 2018, 07:29 PM

32. I think he may vote no.

He can take the vote and still keep his seat, IMO.

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Response to Calista241 (Original post)

Sat Jul 14, 2018, 07:39 PM

34. Fuck you, Joe. Just switch parties and get it over with.

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Response to Calista241 (Original post)

Sat Jul 14, 2018, 07:39 PM

35. Manchin (D) running for re-election in a red state

Oh well.

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Response to Calista241 (Original post)

Sat Jul 14, 2018, 08:51 PM

39. If reelected, Manchin will vote mostly w/Democrats for 6 years. nt

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Response to oasis (Reply #39)

Sat Jul 14, 2018, 09:07 PM

41. And Kavanaugh could be on the Supreme Court for 30 years

Manchin needs to put the country ahead of himself. He might be pleasantly surprised how the voters react.

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Response to dflprincess (Reply #41)

Sat Jul 14, 2018, 09:24 PM

42. If Republicans have the 50 votes for the nomination already will Manchin's vote really matter? n/t

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Response to PoliticAverse (Reply #42)

Sat Jul 14, 2018, 09:39 PM

44. Actually they need 51 which they'll get with Pence

but what if Snow and/or Collins get the message from their constituents and don't vote for him and McCain doesn't make it back for the vote? Then what Manchin (along with Heitkamp& Donnelly) do will make a difference.

Interesting view from "The New Yorker"

https://www.newyorker.com/news/news-desk/red-state-democrats-fears-over-kavanaugh-vote-may-be-overblown

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Response to dflprincess (Reply #44)

Sat Jul 14, 2018, 09:57 PM

47. My guess is that 4-5 Democratic senators vote yes

That way they protect each other because you can't say anyone was the deciding vote.

Just my cynical guess.

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Response to Yupster (Reply #47)

Sat Jul 14, 2018, 10:10 PM

49. It's not cynical to know that Congress persons vote for things they oppose and against things...

they support on occasion for political cover when their vote won't change the outcome.

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Response to dflprincess (Reply #44)

Sat Jul 14, 2018, 10:07 PM

48. "Actually they need 51" - yes I know, they need 50 Senators (or Pence doesn't get to vote). n/t

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Response to dflprincess (Reply #41)

Sat Jul 14, 2018, 09:50 PM

45. If Kavanaugh is out another conservative emerges. We're not

gonna avoid a Trump SCOTUS appointment. No need handing over a senate seat to the Republicans on a done deal.

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Response to oasis (Reply #45)

Sat Jul 14, 2018, 09:52 PM

46. Read the New Yorker article

the blow back from supporting Kavanaugh (or any ass Spanky nominates) could be worse.

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Response to oasis (Reply #45)

Sun Jul 15, 2018, 09:08 AM

57. Why give up so quickly?

Who knows when Mueller puts the hammer on him? That could change a lot.

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Response to Lib4lif3 (Reply #57)

Sun Jul 15, 2018, 10:39 AM

58. The SCOTUS vote will likely come up Sept/early Oct.. West Virginia's

air waves will be full of ads urging Manchin to accept "President Trump's choice for the Supreme Court". Manchin will have a month to come up with a good reason why he didn't back Trump's pick.

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Response to oasis (Reply #39)

Mon Jul 16, 2018, 08:23 AM

59. If keeps helping Trump pack the Court, it won't matter how he votes.

Justices like Kavanaugh will undo the legislation we need.

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Response to Orsino (Reply #59)

Mon Jul 16, 2018, 09:07 AM

60. Every SCOTUS candidate will be drawn from the pool of two dozen

submitted to Trump by the Federalist Society.

Manchin would look awfully silly rejecting one after another from the same batch of staunch conservatives.

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Response to Calista241 (Original post)

Sun Jul 15, 2018, 06:29 AM

50. Games within games

He was probably told to say it...

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Response to Calista241 (Original post)

Sun Jul 15, 2018, 06:31 AM

51. How is he a Democrat?

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Response to Calista241 (Original post)

Sun Jul 15, 2018, 07:11 AM

55. Hell I dunno...

Maybe whoever owns the leash around these dinos necks
figures it looks better to have a pet liberal than a real
progressive to muck up the works..During past wars
when spys were caught behind enemy lines.....

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Response to Calista241 (Original post)

Sun Jul 15, 2018, 07:17 AM

56. Why is anyone on DU

STILL posting The Hill?

Please stop.

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Response to BlueMTexpat (Reply #56)

Mon Jul 16, 2018, 09:19 AM

61. Mostly they have only a few rules here

One of them is not bashing elected Democratic party officials. Maybe flag an alert if that might feel appropriate

I often wonder about many things, but why people post here is not one of them

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Response to nolabels (Reply #61)

Mon Jul 16, 2018, 01:17 PM

62. Thanks for your response. eom

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