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Wed Jul 18, 2018, 10:23 PM

From the Start, Trump Has Muddied a Clear Message: Putin Interfered

Source: New York Times

WASHINGTON Two weeks before his inauguration, Donald J. Trump was shown highly classified intelligence indicating that President Vladimir V. Putin of Russia had personally ordered complex cyberattacks to sway the 2016 American election.

The evidence included texts and emails from Russian military officers and information gleaned from a top-secret source close to Mr. Putin, who had described to the C.I.A. how the Kremlin decided to execute its campaign of hacking and disinformation.

Mr. Trump sounded grudgingly convinced, according to several people who attended the intelligence briefing. But ever since, Mr. Trump has tried to cloud the very clear findings that he received on Jan. 6, 2017, which his own intelligence leaders have unanimously endorsed.

The shifting narrative underscores the degree to which Mr. Trump regularly picks and chooses intelligence to suit his political purposes. That has never been more clear than this week.

Read more: https://www.nytimes.com/2018/07/18/world/europe/trump-intelligence-russian-election-meddling-.html

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Reply From the Start, Trump Has Muddied a Clear Message: Putin Interfered (Original post)
ailsagirl Jul 2018 OP
ProudMNDemocrat Jul 2018 #1
ailsagirl Jul 2018 #2
Pachamama Jul 2018 #17
lapfog_1 Jul 2018 #3
riversedge Jul 2018 #4
sandensea Jul 2018 #10
jrthin Jul 2018 #26
sandensea Jul 2018 #5
PSPS Jul 2018 #13
sandensea Jul 2018 #14
PSPS Jul 2018 #18
sandensea Jul 2018 #19
Stonepounder Jul 2018 #6
ailsagirl Jul 2018 #7
Stonepounder Jul 2018 #8
greyl Jul 2018 #20
ailsagirl Jul 2018 #25
DoctorJoJo Jul 2018 #9
dalton99a Jul 2018 #11
Bernardo de La Paz Jul 2018 #12
Grassy Knoll Jul 2018 #15
Botany Jul 2018 #16
SunSeeker Jul 2018 #21
BadGimp Jul 2018 #22
muriel_volestrangler Jul 2018 #23
muriel_volestrangler Jul 2018 #24
Julian Englis Jul 2018 #27
Stuart G Jul 2018 #28

Response to ailsagirl (Original post)

Wed Jul 18, 2018, 10:28 PM

1. Can we say a LYING, ILLIGITIMATE President?



Trump is toast. Trump is indeed Putin's Bitch!

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Response to ProudMNDemocrat (Reply #1)

Wed Jul 18, 2018, 10:29 PM

2. It sure sounds like it!!!

Waiting with bated breath...

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Response to ProudMNDemocrat (Reply #1)

Wed Jul 18, 2018, 11:57 PM

17. Add TRAITOR and TREASON and ENEMY OF THE STATE

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Response to ailsagirl (Original post)

Wed Jul 18, 2018, 10:30 PM

3. someone with a very high level of clearance leaked this story

I hope the sources are either already dead or can get out safely.

Don't get me wrong... the circumstances of the Helsinki summit mandated this patriotic act to out the Treason of DJT... but there is no way this gets out without high level leaks.

Hats off... but we lost some assets today... but it was time.

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Response to ailsagirl (Original post)

Wed Jul 18, 2018, 10:36 PM

4. This nytimes headline is weak.

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Response to riversedge (Reply #4)

Wed Jul 18, 2018, 10:43 PM

10. Exactly.

It should read something like: Trump shown proof of 2016 Russian interference two weeks before inaugural

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Response to riversedge (Reply #4)

Thu Jul 19, 2018, 10:43 AM

26. Yes it is. Like HIM, they have muddled a simple headline: He's Lying. nt

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Response to ailsagirl (Original post)

Wed Jul 18, 2018, 10:37 PM

5. Sure. It's like getting $10 million, being shown that it came from illicit sources,

but then being allowed to keep it - with the implicit promise from the source that if you play along, another $10 million would come your way in 2020.

It would be hard not to let one's conflict of interest get in the way.

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Response to sandensea (Reply #5)

Wed Jul 18, 2018, 10:49 PM

13. I think that's too kind

The only thing that's kept the trump organization afloat is russian mob/kremlin money. It's responsible, in one way or another, for most of the real estate transactions and the payoffs for his henchmen like cohen. So, in short, they are the trump organization's best customer. And, without it, the trump organization would dissolve. Hence, trump's obsequious behavior toward putin and russia. If he alienates them, there goes his money. Also, that's why he's never released his tax returns.

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Response to PSPS (Reply #13)

Wed Jul 18, 2018, 10:57 PM

14. You're right.

In Cheeto's case, it's hundreds of millions in Russian money just do far - and no doubt hundreds of millions more if he's a good boy.

And while lying non-stop and committing treason in the meantime of course.

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Response to sandensea (Reply #14)

Thu Jul 19, 2018, 12:13 AM

18. Plus, putin is dangling the trump moscow tower in front of him

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Response to PSPS (Reply #18)

Thu Jul 19, 2018, 12:17 AM

19. How do you say Bingo in Russian!

Forgot all about that particular little emolument.

Then there was the one in Buenos Aires that fell through because, apparently, Cheeto didn't want to bribe Argentina's new right-wing president, Macri.

Argentina was small potatoes compared to Russia, no doubt.

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Response to ailsagirl (Original post)

Wed Jul 18, 2018, 10:38 PM

6. On Lawrence O'Donnell just now Frank Figliuzzi just spelled out

that Trump is totally and obviously guilty of being an "Accessory After the Fact" to a felony!

What more do you need for High Crimes and Misdemeanors??

From Wex Legal Dictionary (which sounds almost exactly like what Figliuzzi said:

Someone who assists another 1) who has committed a felony, 2) after the person has committed the felony, 3) with knowledge that the person committed the felony, and 4) with the intent to help the person avoid arrest or punishment. An accessory after the fact may be held liable for, inter alia, obstruction of justice.

https://www.law.cornell.edu/wex/accessory_after_the_fact

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Response to Stonepounder (Reply #6)

Wed Jul 18, 2018, 10:40 PM

7. I heard about it on Lawrence and so I posted it right away

I don't know what's going to happen now

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Response to ailsagirl (Reply #7)

Wed Jul 18, 2018, 10:42 PM

8. Not a damn thing is going to happen. That is the depressing part of all this.

Something else will come along and .... oh look a butterfly.

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Response to Stonepounder (Reply #8)

Thu Jul 19, 2018, 12:34 AM

20. Nuh uh, things are approaching critical mass as pieces finally come together. nt

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Response to greyl (Reply #20)

Thu Jul 19, 2018, 10:32 AM

25. He has gone WAY beyond the limits-- everything has a breaking point

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Response to ailsagirl (Original post)

Wed Jul 18, 2018, 10:43 PM

9. Watching This On Lawrence. Game, Set, Match, TREASON!!!

 

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Response to ailsagirl (Original post)

Wed Jul 18, 2018, 10:44 PM

11. The traitor is being exposed more and more

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Response to ailsagirl (Original post)

Wed Jul 18, 2018, 10:47 PM

12. Treason. What else to call it? Conspiracy against the United States of America?

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Response to ailsagirl (Original post)

Wed Jul 18, 2018, 11:23 PM

15. Collusion ....

Tick Tock Donny Trumpinoff..

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Response to ailsagirl (Original post)

Wed Jul 18, 2018, 11:39 PM

16. Treason

Was this some of the information that McConnell knew and did not
let the American people see?

Guillotine capital hill .... let Mitch walk up first.

"President Vladimir V. Putin of Russia had personally ordered complex cyberattacks to sway the 2016 American election."
So who in America helped in these crimes?

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Response to ailsagirl (Original post)

Thu Jul 19, 2018, 12:55 AM

21. K & R for exposure.

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Response to ailsagirl (Original post)

Thu Jul 19, 2018, 01:24 AM

22. #PutinWinsAgain and the GOP is now #ThePartyOfPutin

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Response to ailsagirl (Original post)

Thu Jul 19, 2018, 04:01 AM

23. Unlocking - after discussion with other hosts, it seems I was mistaken

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in thinking that it was already known that Trump had been told Putin was responsible. With that apparently being 'new', I can see why this is 'news'. Sorry for the locked intermission.

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Response to ailsagirl (Original post)

Thu Jul 19, 2018, 10:01 AM

24. Kick (nt)

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Response to ailsagirl (Original post)

Thu Jul 19, 2018, 01:22 PM

27. K & R

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Response to ailsagirl (Original post)

Thu Jul 19, 2018, 01:58 PM

28. K & R.

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