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demmiblue

(36,841 posts)
Thu Aug 9, 2018, 10:13 AM Aug 2018

Judge Tells Jury 'Put Aside' His Criticism of Manafort Trial Prosecutors

Source: TPM

ALEXANDRIA, VA — After being chastised repeatedly by U.S. District Judge T.S. Ellis in front of the jury during Paul Manafort’s ongoing trial in Virginia, the prosecutors arguing the case appear to have had enough. On Thursday, they filed a court filing taking issue with Ellis’s outburst over a government witness who had watched the full trial before being called to the stand.

Ellis told the jury Thursday morning to “put aside any criticism” of the prosecutors. “I sometimes make mistakes,” Ellis said.

The prosecutors had asked Ellis on July 31 to permit the presence of the expert witness, IRS tax expert Michael Welch, in the courtroom for the proceedings. Thursday’s filing includes an excerpt of the transcript with Ellis explicitly granting the request and even asking the name of the expert.

On Wednesday when the government called Welch and asked him if he had heard previous witnesses testimony, Ellis blew up at prosecutor Uzo Asonye.

Read more: https://talkingpointsmemo.com/muckraker/judge-tells-jury-put-aside-his-criticism-of-manafort-trial-prosecutors

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Judge Tells Jury 'Put Aside' His Criticism of Manafort Trial Prosecutors (Original Post) demmiblue Aug 2018 OP
the feds may be a case for a mistrial. riversedge Aug 2018 #1
On Rachel, an attorney who's been in front of that judge says he's been that way for 30 years. TheBlackAdder Aug 2018 #45
I saw that interview. pennylane100 Aug 2018 #48
Yes! The Feds fucked up the Malheur trial central scrutinizer Aug 2018 #59
I'm glad the prosecutors are pushing back on this judge. klook Aug 2018 #2
+ 1 ChiTownDenny Aug 2018 #22
Ditto nt spooky3 Aug 2018 #35
This Judge sounds seriously aweful JDC Aug 2018 #3
The more I hear about this judge, the less I like GusBob Aug 2018 #4
What is wrong with this guy? jcgoldie Aug 2018 #5
He's a Trumpster,,,,,,, Cryptoad Aug 2018 #7
Doubt it woundedkarma Aug 2018 #10
Yeah but SayItLoud Aug 2018 #26
Nah MosheFeingold Aug 2018 #18
I have argued this many times. Their should be NO lifetime appointments. olegramps Aug 2018 #23
Agree with you... at140 Aug 2018 #27
He is Lance Ito Mark II obamanut2012 Aug 2018 #17
Ito was weak MosheFeingold Aug 2018 #19
My question is how does Sessions figure into this? pazzyanne Aug 2018 #24
He's been on this court for a long time and it's called the "rocket docket" for a reason. CincyDem Aug 2018 #51
Thanks, CincyDem. pazzyanne Aug 2018 #58
The damage has already been done. emulatorloo Aug 2018 #6
Right? "Please un-hear and do not remember any of the influencing sprinkleeninow Aug 2018 #11
So I have no knowledge other than what we have all read about it, but I think this particular Squinch Aug 2018 #41
Someone needs to give him a giant bottle of Prevagen. nt DURHAM D Aug 2018 #8
And an enema. dchill Aug 2018 #29
The prosecutors could probably have grounds for an automatic appeal BumRushDaShow Aug 2018 #9
The prosecution does not have the right to appeal. madaboutharry Aug 2018 #12
Double-Jeopardy. Got it! BumRushDaShow Aug 2018 #16
I doubt that the prosecution will present all their evidence in this trial. LiberalArkie Aug 2018 #20
Then they'll need different charges leftynyc Aug 2018 #32
Hell tax evasion, money laundering etc... LiberalArkie Aug 2018 #40
What you wrote. The trial is heading off the rails. This is sprinkleeninow Aug 2018 #14
Double Jeopardy would preclude that from the prosecutors, although a motion for a mistrial BumRushDaShow Aug 2018 #21
Incoming--» sprinkleeninow Aug 2018 #56
A hung jury is much more plausable thbobby Aug 2018 #36
Or a mistrial per post #1 BumRushDaShow Aug 2018 #39
Double Jeopardy justie18 Aug 2018 #43
Yes I posted that in post #16 BumRushDaShow Aug 2018 #49
Just a fyi, Judge Judy acted the same way when she was a NY Family Court Judge R Merm Aug 2018 #52
I expect civil courts have some colorful judges BumRushDaShow Aug 2018 #54
Don't you hate it when a judge shows no judgement... malthaussen Aug 2018 #13
Sounds like both sides will have ample basis for appeal bucolic_frolic Aug 2018 #15
Never forget... Toorich Aug 2018 #25
The judge should be removed from the bench because of this bullshit, and a new trial with a new jury still_one Aug 2018 #28
This was done because Mueller's team asked the judge to tell jury he was "out of line" for bias still_one Aug 2018 #30
so they get stuck elmac Aug 2018 #31
My ex wife attorney said they call it "black robe fever" redstateblues Aug 2018 #33
You can't "commit perjury" if you tell the "truth". Historic NY Aug 2018 #34
Sounds like this judge is biased and tainted-He should recuse hisself... VaBchTgerLily Aug 2018 #37
This judge was appointed by Reagan. He is 78 years old. Equinox Moon Aug 2018 #38
My limited experience roscoeroscoe Aug 2018 #42
Exactly... Zoonart Aug 2018 #44
Ellis is a disgrace. He should retire. nt SunSeeker Aug 2018 #46
Good. (nt) Paladin Aug 2018 #47
The judge didn't read the transcript filed this morning More_Cowbell Aug 2018 #50
This judge is an asshole. Nitram Aug 2018 #53
Teeahhahahyuhyuh. IOW, 😝 (D'oh, judge.) sprinkleeninow Aug 2018 #57
Judge Ellis has shown bias since before the trial even started. Marcuse Aug 2018 #55

TheBlackAdder

(28,183 posts)
45. On Rachel, an attorney who's been in front of that judge says he's been that way for 30 years.
Thu Aug 9, 2018, 12:25 PM
Aug 2018

He does it to make better attorney's out of them, and every one who has bee in front of that judge praises him for it later on.

pennylane100

(3,425 posts)
48. I saw that interview.
Thu Aug 9, 2018, 12:46 PM
Aug 2018

I thought the attorney went very far out of his way to kiss that judges ass, as he knew he would possibly have to appear before in his court in the future.

klook

(12,154 posts)
2. I'm glad the prosecutors are pushing back on this judge.
Thu Aug 9, 2018, 10:17 AM
Aug 2018

By all accounts, he's an asshole. A smart asshole, but an asshole nonetheless. And his continued haranguing of the prosecutors can bias the jury.

jcgoldie

(11,631 posts)
5. What is wrong with this guy?
Thu Aug 9, 2018, 10:19 AM
Aug 2018

The behavior seems very erratic... 78 years old maybe time to head out to pasture...

 

woundedkarma

(498 posts)
10. Doubt it
Thu Aug 9, 2018, 10:50 AM
Aug 2018

Someone who's had 8 cases before him was on Maddow last night. He said he's always like this. You want to believe it's rigged cause everything is right now but I'd need more than the judge being a little unfair to believe that in this case.

SayItLoud

(1,702 posts)
26. Yeah but
Thu Aug 9, 2018, 11:16 AM
Aug 2018

The attnys see and deal with him on regular basis so know about his style, juries see him one and done and can be influenced by his style.

MosheFeingold

(3,051 posts)
18. Nah
Thu Aug 9, 2018, 11:01 AM
Aug 2018

He's a judge with a lifetime appointment and a bad temper.

Many end up like this. Probably most.

It's a good example of needing to amend the Constitution to make judgeships 20 year appointments, not life.

at140

(6,110 posts)
27. Agree with you...
Thu Aug 9, 2018, 11:23 AM
Aug 2018

In fact no one should serve in the government over 20 years,
including congress people, bureaucrats, justices on supreme court, and all other judges.

pazzyanne

(6,547 posts)
24. My question is how does Sessions figure into this?
Thu Aug 9, 2018, 11:13 AM
Aug 2018

Is Sessions pulling strings somehow? Seems to me I heard this judge wants to get this trial finished ASAP. Who else has that agenda? Not trying to start a new conspiracy, just questions I have about this based on things we know about the tRump administration.

CincyDem

(6,351 posts)
51. He's been on this court for a long time and it's called the "rocket docket" for a reason.
Thu Aug 9, 2018, 01:18 PM
Aug 2018


Every judge in the district wants to move chit through ASAP. Was that way well before sessions and whats-his-name so I don't think there's anything behind it from a conspiracy point of view.

pazzyanne

(6,547 posts)
58. Thanks, CincyDem.
Thu Aug 9, 2018, 02:53 PM
Aug 2018

I feel better now. I find I am developing a very suspicious attitude toward all things tRump.

sprinkleeninow

(20,235 posts)
11. Right? "Please un-hear and do not remember any of the influencing
Thu Aug 9, 2018, 10:52 AM
Aug 2018

words of my unnecessary outbursts."

💙🇺🇸🌊

Squinch

(50,949 posts)
41. So I have no knowledge other than what we have all read about it, but I think this particular
Thu Aug 9, 2018, 11:58 AM
Aug 2018

incident might work in the prosecution's favor.

The jury has watched this guy reaming the prosecution all over the place. If they were present for the request to have this witness in court, and then saw the judge yelling again at the prosecutors for having him in court, maybe that will make the jury question the judge's judgment.

Again, though, for all I know all that took place out of the presence of the jury, and all they've seen is the yelling at the prosecutors.

BumRushDaShow

(128,844 posts)
9. The prosecutors could probably have grounds for an automatic appeal
Thu Aug 9, 2018, 10:49 AM
Aug 2018

depending on the verdict because of that judge's behavior.

He must have caught all sorts of hell from colleagues. Certainly the media has been talking about it almost non-stop. It's one thing show-boating like a Judge Judy if the trial was being broadcast publicly and another thing when the trial isn't being broadcast... yet what he has been doing was so bad that it bubbled out to the legal commentators and was pretty much overtaking the subject matter of the trial itself.

madaboutharry

(40,207 posts)
12. The prosecution does not have the right to appeal.
Thu Aug 9, 2018, 10:52 AM
Aug 2018

Only the defendant in a criminal trial has the right of appeal. The government can not appeal. An acquittal is permanent. It is in The Constitution.

LiberalArkie

(15,713 posts)
20. I doubt that the prosecution will present all their evidence in this trial.
Thu Aug 9, 2018, 11:04 AM
Aug 2018

I think they might might try again if they loose with the unpresented evidence.

LiberalArkie

(15,713 posts)
40. Hell tax evasion, money laundering etc...
Thu Aug 9, 2018, 11:54 AM
Aug 2018

I think of how many times they tried Al Capone before they got him. There is always something as long as they don't use all their evidence.

sprinkleeninow

(20,235 posts)
14. What you wrote. The trial is heading off the rails. This is
Thu Aug 9, 2018, 10:55 AM
Aug 2018

shameful, but, in this bizarro environment, it is hardly surprising.
💙🇺🇸🌊

BumRushDaShow

(128,844 posts)
21. Double Jeopardy would preclude that from the prosecutors, although a motion for a mistrial
Thu Aug 9, 2018, 11:05 AM
Aug 2018

might be possible!

thbobby

(1,474 posts)
36. A hung jury is much more plausable
Thu Aug 9, 2018, 11:48 AM
Aug 2018

than an acquittal. With a hung jury, perhaps an argument could be made against this judge.

BumRushDaShow

(128,844 posts)
49. Yes I posted that in post #16
Thu Aug 9, 2018, 12:46 PM
Aug 2018
https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1014&pid=2130028

But left it up as an error so others can see the responses to that and how it can't happen due to 5th amendment -

Amendment V

No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a grand jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the militia, when in actual service in time of war or public danger; nor shall any person be subject for the same offense to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb; nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation.

https://www.law.cornell.edu/constitution/fifth_amendment


BumRushDaShow

(128,844 posts)
54. I expect civil courts have some colorful judges
Thu Aug 9, 2018, 01:27 PM
Aug 2018

I have had relatives who were judges and/or worked in the courts.

But as a federal judge hearing a criminal case, there is a bigger issue because we are talking "beyond a reasonable doubt" (criminal) vs "preponderance of the evidence" (civil), and judges inserting themselves into the process to defacto "sow doubt" is not cool.

malthaussen

(17,187 posts)
13. Don't you hate it when a judge shows no judgement...
Thu Aug 9, 2018, 10:54 AM
Aug 2018

... well, they were gonna appeal, anyway. This is starting to smell like mistrial territory.

-- Mal

Toorich

(391 posts)
25. Never forget...
Thu Aug 9, 2018, 11:14 AM
Aug 2018

...." It is better 100 guilty persons should escape than that one innocent person should suffer." - B. Franklin - Founding Father

But also never forget, " First we give him a fair trial, then we hang him." - Judge Roy Bean-Law west of the Pecos

still_one

(92,136 posts)
28. The judge should be removed from the bench because of this bullshit, and a new trial with a new jury
Thu Aug 9, 2018, 11:25 AM
Aug 2018

selected.

This is an outrage

Historic NY

(37,449 posts)
34. You can't "commit perjury" if you tell the "truth".
Thu Aug 9, 2018, 11:42 AM
Aug 2018

Rudy admits his client is a serial liar. I've testified in numerous trials in local-state-federal courts. The truth will set you free.

VaBchTgerLily

(231 posts)
37. Sounds like this judge is biased and tainted-He should recuse hisself...
Thu Aug 9, 2018, 11:51 AM
Aug 2018

or the prosecution should file a complaint to get another judge

Equinox Moon

(6,344 posts)
38. This judge was appointed by Reagan. He is 78 years old.
Thu Aug 9, 2018, 11:53 AM
Aug 2018

I wonder if it is time for him to step down? Dementia symptoms can include inappropriate outbursts.

Radio show, Norman Goldman, covered this topic of the judge having clear bias and how problematic that is. Usually, judges lean toward the prosecution, but clearly not in this case. I look forward to hearing what Norm has to say tonight about these new developments.

Zoonart

(11,849 posts)
44. Exactly...
Thu Aug 9, 2018, 12:21 PM
Aug 2018

heard one legal specialist posit that the judge is behaving this way towards the prosecution so that the defense has no grounds for appeal based upon judicial bias.

More_Cowbell

(2,191 posts)
50. The judge didn't read the transcript filed this morning
Thu Aug 9, 2018, 01:14 PM
Aug 2018

"On Thursday morning Ellis said he had not read the transcript filed this morning but was “satisfied that I could well have been wrong about that.”

If he'd read the transcript, he would have *known* he was wrong.

https://www.courthousenews.com/airbnb-exec-on-deck-for-manafort-fraud-trial/

Nitram

(22,791 posts)
53. This judge is an asshole.
Thu Aug 9, 2018, 01:27 PM
Aug 2018

We're lucky he overstepped the bounds because now he has told the jury that he makes mistakes.

Marcuse

(7,479 posts)
55. Judge Ellis has shown bias since before the trial even started.
Thu Aug 9, 2018, 01:38 PM
Aug 2018
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/federal-judge-manafort-case-skeptical-scope-mueller-investigation-n871401

“But what stood out in the court proceedings Friday is when the judge, T.S. Ellis, a Reagan-appointee, hammered the special counsel’s office on the idea that the charges against Manafort have nothing to do with Russian election interference.

Ellis said that he believes the special counsel is only interested in Manafort to squeeze him for information “that would reflect on Mr. Trump or lead to his impeachment.””

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