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PatrickforO

(14,557 posts)
Fri Sep 14, 2018, 01:04 PM Sep 2018

What's killing Sears? Its own retirees, the CEO says

Source: CNN

What's to blame for the problems at Sears? Amazon? Bad management? CEO and primary shareholder Eddie Lampert has another idea: It's the company's own retirees.

Sears turned in another bleak quarterly earnings report on Thursday, and Lampert complained about the billions of dollars that Sears owes its former employees through pension plans. Lampert said Sears has paid almost $2 billion into pension plans in the past five years, and $4.5 billion since Sears and Kmart merged in 2005 to form Sears Holdings (SHLD). The company pays retirees about $300 million a year, filings show.

If Sears could have put that money into operations, "we would have been in a better position to compete with other large retail companies, many of which don't have large pension plans," Lampert wrote in a blog post. He also faulted the "very difficult" environment for retailers, but he said Sears has been "significantly impacted" by pension obligations.

Read more: https://money.cnn.com/2018/09/14/news/companies/sears-pension-retirees/index.html



This guy is a total crook. You know what? He owns a hedge fund, and he's personally been buying up Sears shares as they go downhill.

Basically this capitalist slimebag is crushing the hopes of his retirees (they discontinued pensions in '06, but those pesky old people are STILL alive and collecting!), and his employees, and the unfortunate consumers who invested real money in things like Kenmore appliances.

That's right! The criminal Lampert is thinking of personally purchasing Kenmore appliances through his hedge fund.

Essentially, this is what capitalism looks like on the ground. You have a scumbag like Lampert purposely driving a venerable company that used to have a good name to ruin, and then PERSONALLY PROFITING OFF THAT.

I can't even say how angry this makes me, how disgusting this is to me - should be to ANY decent person. I feel dirty even reading about shit like this.

This is why we've got to support workers to the hilt. I'm supporting Elizabeth Warren's Responsible Capitalism Act, because dirtbags like Eddie Lampert wouldn't be able to hurt so many people with their stinking greed.
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What's killing Sears? Its own retirees, the CEO says (Original Post) PatrickforO Sep 2018 OP
Of COOOOUUUUUUUUURRRSSSSSSSSSSEEEEEEEEE it is the employees fault Eliot Rosewater Sep 2018 #1
Vulture capitalist says what? Iggo Sep 2018 #2
What he doesn't say is pensions are in lieu of higher wages...employers pay less now, pay more Fred Sanders Sep 2018 #4
I understand. Iggo Sep 2018 #10
Sears cancelled their pension plan in the 90's and went to 401 mikeysnot Sep 2018 #21
Karma, Baby, Karma bucolic_frolic Sep 2018 #3
Excellent analysis. I worked in the junk bond (euphemistically called "High Yield") world for awhile erronis Sep 2018 #23
Capitalism is creation and destruction bucolic_frolic Sep 2018 #28
+1000 Power 2 the People Sep 2018 #5
Sure it is the fault of employees because the employer didn't set the pension funding aside. LiberalFighter Sep 2018 #6
++++ Agree iluvtennis Sep 2018 #40
Didn't Enron invest its pension funds in Enron stock? Employees pension - kaput. keithbvadu2 Sep 2018 #62
Totally agree. As usual, bad management. SharonAnn Sep 2018 #68
Says the guy who is paying himself $7 million a year? louis-t Sep 2018 #7
Sears was perfectly positioned to be Amazon Sedona Sep 2018 #8
THIS BumRushDaShow Sep 2018 #13
We've become much better at tearing down than building in the last 50 years. erronis Sep 2018 #31
My mother used to always talk about the whole idea of BumRushDaShow Sep 2018 #56
going to have to check this out n/t gay texan Sep 2018 #66
Their Seattle warehouse is now Starbucks' corporate headquarters jmowreader Sep 2018 #37
It could have easily made the transition to internet sales. Kaleva Sep 2018 #78
I have a feeling Lampert will get a golden parachute at140 Sep 2018 #9
How about dumping the 1960's marketing strategy, Ed? TheCowsCameHome Sep 2018 #11
Why would he do that, when his whole aim is to strip the company of all its money Nay Sep 2018 #47
Makes Me Think Of Romney Me. Sep 2018 #12
The question should be "Who is killing Sears"? Perseus Sep 2018 #14
You just printed the real answer. Wellstone ruled Sep 2018 #15
Precisely Sherman A1 Sep 2018 #79
One of the longest running PONZI's Wellstone ruled Sep 2018 #80
Always blame the workers. BeckyDem Sep 2018 #16
What hurt Sears was the purchase of failing Kmart/S. S. Kresge INdemo Sep 2018 #17
Not quite jmowreader Sep 2018 #44
yes I would agree with that but with their INdemo Sep 2018 #46
I worked with several very large corporations that didn't think this internet thing was real. erronis Sep 2018 #60
What Sears? I haven't seen a Sears store in a year and a half. sinkingfeeling Sep 2018 #18
We have 2 Sears stores in San Diego ... aggiesal Sep 2018 #55
It is ironic that the company that made their fortune randr Sep 2018 #19
Oh I have lots of stories to tell mikeysnot Sep 2018 #22
I've had that thought numerous times... Johnyawl Sep 2018 #24
Those folks were long gone zipplewrath Sep 2018 #48
Simply put,if you go back enough years SEARS thought they had the World by the ASS... Bengus81 Sep 2018 #53
Cry me a river, you predatory corporate piece of shit pecosbob Sep 2018 #20
What killed Sears? One word only..Walmart. Hey- it's the truth. Don't blame me.,,, Stuart G Sep 2018 #25
This message was self-deleted by its author Mosby Sep 2018 #34
Actually the problem is executive management and shareholder greed compensation. democratisphere Sep 2018 #26
YUP, ... aggiesal Sep 2018 #57
Fuck Eddie Lampert with a Sears Diehard. . . DinahMoeHum Sep 2018 #27
Transition Points... The Conductor Sep 2018 #29
IBM survived the loss of the selectric Mosby Sep 2018 #30
This is a great area of study and I hope you share your research with us. erronis Sep 2018 #38
Yeah, I definitely don't have a high opinion of Welch at all. PatrickforO Sep 2018 #65
The smart ones... The Conductor Sep 2018 #82
Read about Sgent Sep 2018 #84
How many companies were killed by Reagan deregulation? gibraltar72 Sep 2018 #32
This guy is blue-wave Sep 2018 #33
ceos don't short their own companies. unblock Sep 2018 #36
Scum. Those retirees earned their pensions. mn9driver Sep 2018 #35
When the economy was in the toilet, Sears would change the date due... Tikki Sep 2018 #39
This message was self-deleted by its author ailsagirl Sep 2018 #41
Give me a break. Has he been in one of his stores in the last 15-20 years? Neema Sep 2018 #42
The deal with pensions is...employees often take LOWER PAY in return for a pension. Honeycombe8 Sep 2018 #43
f-ing parasite eddie killed sears Locrian Sep 2018 #45
How dare those pensioners bring down a fine institution like Sears/ Kmart !! YOHABLO Sep 2018 #49
Having someone who knows nothing of the retailing business is what killed it. PSPS Sep 2018 #50
Every Sears former employee on a pension owes Eddie a hugeeeee apology for screwing up his Company!! Bengus81 Sep 2018 #51
It's the victim's fault Turbineguy Sep 2018 #52
Then Sears goes down, but the retirees money stays pal. A deal is a deal. nt TeamPooka Sep 2018 #54
The headline SHOULD read: "What's killing Sears? Its own CEO" Initech Sep 2018 #58
Sears is in the situation of many old established companies MichMan Sep 2018 #59
You mean the employees that hired yesterday at the Post Office? Stonepounder Sep 2018 #67
"If in fact Sears does go bankrupt..." other than pension dollars... other benefits such as medical keithbvadu2 Sep 2018 #71
What a bullshitting piece of shit. If I were on Sears' board, Rabrrrrrr Sep 2018 #61
A blast from the past JonLP24 Sep 2018 #75
Thanks! I kind of disappeared for many years (though occasionally looked in) Rabrrrrrr Sep 2018 #81
He's destroying an icon in the process... paleotn Sep 2018 #63
Sounds like Sears thought IsaacBell Sep 2018 #64
Isn't this the Ayn Rand acolyte... Astraea Sep 2018 #69
Yeah, but the people who are hurt are the retirees who are going PatrickforO Sep 2018 #70
i remember an article like that. Kurt V. Sep 2018 #77
Another reason not to trust pension plans.... Adrahil Sep 2018 #72
Grrrr mahina Sep 2018 #73
THAT Is such bull shit Raine Sep 2018 #74
Bad management killed Sears. 2 examples - Vinca Sep 2018 #76
It is their own company crazycatlady Sep 2018 #83
response to patrick O photo drum guy Jan 2019 #85

Eliot Rosewater

(31,106 posts)
1. Of COOOOUUUUUUUUURRRSSSSSSSSSSEEEEEEEEE it is the employees fault
Fri Sep 14, 2018, 01:07 PM
Sep 2018

when will people learn, GOP and business people who are not liberal HATE YOU

For fuck sake

Fred Sanders

(23,946 posts)
4. What he doesn't say is pensions are in lieu of higher wages...employers pay less now, pay more
Fri Sep 14, 2018, 01:18 PM
Sep 2018

later in a joint venture...that is a contract, you know, like all businesses use.

Try to hire and retain good employees any wage with no pension plan...they will flee in huge numbers to those employers that do...and take a pay hit for that very reason...it only makes sense.

mikeysnot

(4,756 posts)
21. Sears cancelled their pension plan in the 90's and went to 401
Fri Sep 14, 2018, 01:59 PM
Sep 2018

so no one is paying into the system for the last 20 years.

They stopped matching contributions to the 401 back in 2012 I believe.

FU Eddie baby.

bucolic_frolic

(43,027 posts)
3. Karma, Baby, Karma
Fri Sep 14, 2018, 01:14 PM
Sep 2018

Shareholders of the old Kmart, pre-2001, got nothing when the chain went bankrupt. Eddie bought it for very little. Retail is like that, if you study the history. Grocers too. So many companies going back to the 1920s, were owned by this or that, and sold to a 3rd party, who stripped it of this and that, and spun it to someone else, and one went bankrupt. Sometimes companies we consider competitors today were merged for a while decades ago! All that wheeling and dealing is about making money for the wheeler-dealers. It's never about the workers. No one says I want to support people in their old age. It's just I want to make a lot of money for me and shareholders and banks. Sometimes, often in fact, workers own shares in the company in their pension plans or privately. THAT can be risky too. Because retail has this up and down cycle.

erronis

(15,170 posts)
23. Excellent analysis. I worked in the junk bond (euphemistically called "High Yield") world for awhile
Fri Sep 14, 2018, 02:25 PM
Sep 2018

Just as a data analyst.... But I could see the churn as assets were marginalized and then resold for pennies/dollar - only to magically gain value. Same for many very, very wealthy banks (US and overseas) that plead for leniency.

These companies (Bain Capital [Mitt Romney]) are just parasites. The Kochs/ADM suck the mortal life-blood out of the economy and then shuck the waste product for the peasants to fight over.

bucolic_frolic

(43,027 posts)
28. Capitalism is creation and destruction
Fri Sep 14, 2018, 02:43 PM
Sep 2018

new ideas make for new business, venture capitalists put money behind developmental stage companies. They employ people, they make money, they go public. Most companies and even industries have a life cycle. Somewhere I read about the funding process at various stages of a company's life, it might have been one of the Kiyosaki books, his later ones like "Conspiracy of the Rich", or what the rich do differently (that's not a title). But at each stage incentive runs the system. No profit, why do anything?

LiberalFighter

(50,766 posts)
6. Sure it is the fault of employees because the employer didn't set the pension funding aside.
Fri Sep 14, 2018, 01:24 PM
Sep 2018

And invest it properly.

keithbvadu2

(36,640 posts)
62. Didn't Enron invest its pension funds in Enron stock? Employees pension - kaput.
Fri Sep 14, 2018, 06:44 PM
Sep 2018

Didn't Enron invest its pension funds in Enron stock? Employees pension - kaput.

louis-t

(23,266 posts)
7. Says the guy who is paying himself $7 million a year?
Fri Sep 14, 2018, 01:24 PM
Sep 2018

And would love for the the stock value to go up because he is the primary stockholder, if he can figure out a way to shed all the retirees?

Sedona

(3,769 posts)
8. Sears was perfectly positioned to be Amazon
Fri Sep 14, 2018, 01:26 PM
Sep 2018

with it's catalog sales, customer database and massive distribution system.

They missed the boat. Their Southeast Regional Distribution Center in Atlanta is now a 2,000,000 square foot Millennial's Mecca mixed use office/retail/residential property.

http://poncecitymarket.com/





BumRushDaShow

(128,372 posts)
13. THIS
Fri Sep 14, 2018, 01:35 PM
Sep 2018

The big distribution center here in Philly met its fate almost 25 years ago -



Just like how Sony originated an innovative concept of "portable" recorded music via their ubiquitous "Walkman", so too did they miss the boat when Apple came along with their "iPod" and revolutionized the meaning of "portable" and then went one step further with their music store - "iTunes".

erronis

(15,170 posts)
31. We've become much better at tearing down than building in the last 50 years.
Fri Sep 14, 2018, 02:50 PM
Sep 2018

OK. Maybe we can still build iPhones (nope, not us.)

Our concrete for bridges and other major projects is guaranteed to last 50 years - not a day longer. Built in obsolescence. (Some of the Greek and Roman concrete artifices are still structurally sound.)

Our kids are taught to only value what's hip in the last 20 years. No need to understand history. If the dumpists get their way it will be stuff that's only printed in the Dump Twitler Log.


BumRushDaShow

(128,372 posts)
56. My mother used to always talk about the whole idea of
Fri Sep 14, 2018, 04:46 PM
Sep 2018

"planned obsolescence". And it was written about too including in this book -



And as you note, it's also not just obsoleting goods, but everything else.

Kaleva

(36,240 posts)
78. It could have easily made the transition to internet sales.
Sat Sep 15, 2018, 07:21 AM
Sep 2018

Blockbuster could have been Netflix.

at140

(6,110 posts)
9. I have a feeling Lampert will get a golden parachute
Fri Sep 14, 2018, 01:28 PM
Sep 2018

and retire. Just like CEO's of other failing companies. But ordinary employees without titles get fired with nothing.

Nay

(12,051 posts)
47. Why would he do that, when his whole aim is to strip the company of all its money
Fri Sep 14, 2018, 03:37 PM
Sep 2018

and ride off into the sunset??

 

Perseus

(4,341 posts)
14. The question should be "Who is killing Sears"?
Fri Sep 14, 2018, 01:37 PM
Sep 2018

And the answer is very simple:

Ayn Rand lover Eddie Lampert...

 

Wellstone ruled

(34,661 posts)
80. One of the longest running PONZI's
Sat Sep 15, 2018, 03:33 PM
Sep 2018

in modern times,outside of the DeVose Amway scheme or other MLM promo's.

INdemo

(6,994 posts)
17. What hurt Sears was the purchase of failing Kmart/S. S. Kresge
Fri Sep 14, 2018, 01:43 PM
Sep 2018

The merger of the Sears merchandise and Kmart never worked after spending millions to merge the two into "Sears Essentials"
If Sears holdings would have kept Kmart separate both would have been successful.

There were Kmart stores in Indiana namely South Bend store and a northern Indy store that were successful until they merged to become Sears Essentials... (just two examples) They closed shortly after the re-branding.
Then CEO and other Execs got those golden parachutes and that was their downfall.
Sears is History. When a top Store in Indiana (Sears Glenbrook) is set to close in November its over

Has nothing to do with the pensions and Sears readily admits they were robbing from the pension plan when they make a statement like this

Sears might be able to go back to the Catalog Stores which is basically what they have now with the Sears Hometown stores only they carry a limited amount of merchandise. It is more or less Appliance displays and they order in the purchases.

jmowreader

(50,527 posts)
44. Not quite
Fri Sep 14, 2018, 03:19 PM
Sep 2018

Kmart came out of Chapter 11 and bought Sears.

What REALLY hurt Sears happened in 1993, when they closed their catalog division. If they would have kept it, they would have been years ahead of Amazon when the World Wide Web hit. When e-commerce began, they had to recreate a catalog division.

INdemo

(6,994 posts)
46. yes I would agree with that but with their
Fri Sep 14, 2018, 03:34 PM
Sep 2018

Last edited Fri Sep 14, 2018, 04:13 PM - Edit history (1)

Hometown stores they are basically a catalog store>
But yes I definitely agree with the catalog store argument.

To add to you theory of the catalog stores remember J C Penny also had catalog sales and phased them out and they too are on the brink.

erronis

(15,170 posts)
60. I worked with several very large corporations that didn't think this internet thing was real.
Fri Sep 14, 2018, 06:01 PM
Sep 2018

I bought them some www properties, set up mail servers, static home pages, etc. Nope.

Sell retail goods online in the 1990's/early 2000's - nope.

Watch other companies grab valuable market share via the web - maybe?

See their unprotected brand names used online - getting interested.

Get rid of old-style business people that had been with the company since the mail-room clerking. Good move.

I doubt that Sears could have ever righted its ship. Some major corps have done OK (IBM?) but most have left the retail to the web-savvy marketplace.

aggiesal

(8,906 posts)
55. We have 2 Sears stores in San Diego ...
Fri Sep 14, 2018, 04:44 PM
Sep 2018

They both sell appliances at reduced prices.
I bought a $3000 W&D set for half price.

When my rental needed a new refrigerator, I got it at Sears,
again for about half the price.

randr

(12,409 posts)
19. It is ironic that the company that made their fortune
Fri Sep 14, 2018, 01:48 PM
Sep 2018

On catalog sales did not see the opportunity the internet presented.

zipplewrath

(16,646 posts)
48. Those folks were long gone
Fri Sep 14, 2018, 03:47 PM
Sep 2018

"Vision" isn't how they got their jobs. And they never worked the business when the catalogue was all that important.

Bengus81

(6,927 posts)
53. Simply put,if you go back enough years SEARS thought they had the World by the ASS...
Fri Sep 14, 2018, 04:27 PM
Sep 2018

They didn't need to change anything,just keep chugging along like it was 40's,50's...etc. My guess is they had lots of SMART people that said for decades we need to change this,we need to change that.

They were probably told to shut the fuck up or were fired.

Stuart G

(38,403 posts)
25. What killed Sears? One word only..Walmart. Hey- it's the truth. Don't blame me.,,,
Fri Sep 14, 2018, 02:31 PM
Sep 2018

In business it is called, "competition"

https://www.walmart.com/

oh?..don't believe it?..ok, another example....What killed . Oldsmobile, Pontiac, Mercury, & Plymouth car brands?....................Here are just 2 words..............HONDA & TOYOTA.........(competition again) yep

Response to Stuart G (Reply #25)

democratisphere

(17,235 posts)
26. Actually the problem is executive management and shareholder greed compensation.
Fri Sep 14, 2018, 02:39 PM
Sep 2018

Companies used to run smoothly until wall street greed became massive and their compensation became insane. Quit blaming the little guy and stop your whining!

aggiesal

(8,906 posts)
57. YUP, ...
Fri Sep 14, 2018, 05:00 PM
Sep 2018

There was a time during the 30's to the 80's where CEO salary was about
25x to 30x the average company salary.

An average salary of $15,000 the CEO got around $450,000
And, any stock options were used in compensation calculations.

After the 80's, CEO's started getting 500x the average salary.
$60,000 average is $30,000,000.
Also, stock options are no longer considered as part of the compensation
equation for executives.

And why is this a$$-wad complaining about pensions?
We made an agreement with you, that we would take less money now
so you can invest the rest, and I could have a comfortable retirement
when I came collecting.

DinahMoeHum

(21,769 posts)
27. Fuck Eddie Lampert with a Sears Diehard. . .
Fri Sep 14, 2018, 02:40 PM
Sep 2018

Last edited Fri Sep 14, 2018, 04:27 PM - Edit history (1)

. . .preferably one with the acid still in it.

The Conductor

(180 posts)
29. Transition Points...
Fri Sep 14, 2018, 02:45 PM
Sep 2018

I've long been fascinated by the transition points of truly disruptive technologies and how rarely large companies survive the shifts. None of the big typewriter companies made it as computer printer makers, not even Teletype, which had all of the early computer interaction to itself. With the possible exception of Studebaker, none of the big wagon makers became successful automobile companies - and Studebaker was always far down in the pack. Kodak invented the digital camera and still lost it. And the two big makers of US steam locomotives were never all that successful at making diesel locomotives. Famously, one vice president of the Baldwin Locomotive Works said in 1940 that the diesels were pretty toys, but there'd be a market for steam engines, "until at least 1960." By 1960, all the railroads had converted and there wasn't even a Baldwin Company anymore...

In that same way, Sears had everything needed to be Amazon, and had it all in place by 1970. They even had the stores to be showrooms and pickup locations, all convenient and all backed with the best distribution system around. They didn't even take the hint when their number one rival, Montgomery Ward, went belly up.

They blew it, just as GE did when they completely gave up manufacturing to become a half-assed banking operation, just in time for the Great Recession to kill that business. And while busting hell on their longtime employers with Jack Welch "rack-and-stack" crap that insisted 1/3rd of workers get tossed every year. Look at their stock and fleeing their longtime headquarters on how wonderfully productive that was.

erronis

(15,170 posts)
38. This is a great area of study and I hope you share your research with us.
Fri Sep 14, 2018, 03:03 PM
Sep 2018

I've worked with many large companies like IBM, GE, Lockheed, etc. that were successful in several major industries but couldn't survive a major tectonic shift in requirements. M&A tends to cover over the lack of vision for a while but the dead-weight of the suits (MBAs/shareholders) still stifles progress.

PatrickforO

(14,557 posts)
65. Yeah, I definitely don't have a high opinion of Welch at all.
Fri Sep 14, 2018, 07:11 PM
Sep 2018

But you've made an interesting post here. The example I think of is Kodak. I'm an aging Boomer and I'll tell you, we all started off with a Kodak instamatic camera. That was a big deal. I mean, Paul Simon even sang a song about how great Kodachrome was.

And, even though you could by an expensive one, most Kodak cameras were CHEAP because they made money on Kodak film.

Then, in 1975, an engineer at Kodak invented the digital camera! But shortsighted executives wanted to keep that lucrative film market going and so held up the marketing of the digital camera and squelched any efforts to improve it.

Then, oh-oh, in 1986 Nikon came out with a digital SLR camera and by 2005 digital cameras had pretty much replaced film ones.

Kodak struggled painfully to keep up but they'd already missed the boat. They ended up having to file for bankruptcy in '12.

I guess the moral of that story is no matter what, workers get screwed. You either have a greed-head dirtbag like Crazy Eddie who is systematically driving the company to ruin while at the same time buying off its assets so he can enrich himself even further. A money-glutton parasite swollen with worker misery until he's ready to burst.

OR

You have well-meaning executives that fail to keep up with the market due to internecine politics and the company goes belly up. Hey, who gets hurt then? You guessed it - the people who get laid off and the retirees who lose their pensions.

The Conductor

(180 posts)
82. The smart ones...
Tue Sep 18, 2018, 08:01 AM
Sep 2018

The smart executives take the time to listen to the employees, who not only know whether or not what they are making is junk, but also have real market experience. But the MBAs only talk to the MBAs, and focus groups always lag. Kodak should have run with the idea of the digital camera as soon as they had the prototype, throwing a couple million at it to see if it could work. Not a huge risk, and if the idea was a turkey, they'd have found out. But doing nothing and letting the patents expire gave away the company. Not the first time American companies did this... RCA had videotape technology years ahead of every company in the world, but let their Japanese affiliate take it over (JVC is Japan Victor Corporation).

Sgent

(5,857 posts)
84. Read about
Tue Sep 18, 2018, 08:17 PM
Sep 2018

Steve Jobs. He gets credit for industrial design, but the thing that stands out to me about him is not caring about cannibalizing sales. All the big computer makers of the 50's-80's (except IBM) are dead because they couldn't understand the threat of a PC.

SGI, Sun, VAX, most IBM, Wyse, etc.

gibraltar72

(7,498 posts)
32. How many companies were killed by Reagan deregulation?
Fri Sep 14, 2018, 02:53 PM
Sep 2018

I can name several that were gobbled up by merger. Sears rival Montgomery Wards was bought by Mobil. They knew nothing about retail. So many others were purchase or merged out of existence. Often by a company who had no idea how they worked.

blue-wave

(4,342 posts)
33. This guy is
Fri Sep 14, 2018, 02:53 PM
Sep 2018

severely warped in his thinking. And yeah, he will likely make a huge bundle of cash shorting Sears stock and helping to kill the company and our country. These sociopaths have been doing this for at least 3-4 decades now. It's time to show them the door and give 'em a swift kick where the sun doesn't shine. Support Senator Warren and also GOTV!!!! Our country depends on defeating the corporate/republicon traitors.

unblock

(52,112 posts)
36. ceos don't short their own companies.
Fri Sep 14, 2018, 02:59 PM
Sep 2018

sometimes they talk their own companies down and then snap up the shares cheap, but their compensation is nearly always very much tied to equity ownership.

perhaps he's trying to set the stage for backing out of pension agreements somehow, though usually that only happens during bankruptcy, which again, doesn't work well for equity owners.

mn9driver

(4,417 posts)
35. Scum. Those retirees earned their pensions.
Fri Sep 14, 2018, 02:56 PM
Sep 2018

Sears is the entity that didn’t fund the plans so they would remain above water. Corporate BOD’s that sign off on pension plans but then underfund them or use unrealistic assumptions on returns, belong in jail. Every one of them.

Tikki

(14,549 posts)
39. When the economy was in the toilet, Sears would change the date due...
Fri Sep 14, 2018, 03:05 PM
Sep 2018

on their credit card bills.
It got confusing and difficult enough to budget each dollar due throughout all the bills and
then get charged a late fee by Sears.

We paid them off and never looked back.
That was years ago.

The Tikkis

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Neema

(1,151 posts)
42. Give me a break. Has he been in one of his stores in the last 15-20 years?
Fri Sep 14, 2018, 03:17 PM
Sep 2018

The one that closed by my house last year (after been in the same spot for I think 90+ years) looked like a smelly thrift shop, the kind where you knew you had to wash anything you bought in very hot water before wearing it. It was dark, it was dirty, the windows were an embarrassment. They put absolutely no effort into even making it acceptable, much less an inviting place to spend money.

Since it was so close to my house, I tried to give it a chance on many occasions but they never had what I needed in stock. The hardware department DIDN'T STOCK LIGHT BULBS. When asked, they told you to go to CVS down the street. And this store was 4x the size of the CVS, easily.

Honeycombe8

(37,648 posts)
43. The deal with pensions is...employees often take LOWER PAY in return for a pension.
Fri Sep 14, 2018, 03:19 PM
Sep 2018

You can't have it both ways. The money it saved by not having to pay higher wages for many years no doubt enabled Sears to grow and prosper to the extent it did.

If they could go back in time, maybe Sears would not have a pension plan. But then, it would have to outlay a lot of money in wages, instead.

Sears should have shut its doors a few years ago. The retail industry has changed. Sears can't compete, and I don't see how that has anything to do with its pension plan.

It can get rid of the pension payments if it files for bankrtupcy, I guess, couldn't it? Sears...it's over.

Locrian

(4,522 posts)
45. f-ing parasite eddie killed sears
Fri Sep 14, 2018, 03:34 PM
Sep 2018

Sears' CEO blames the media for company's decline — but his obsession with Wall Street set it up for failure

https://www.businessinsider.com/how-eddie-lampert-set-sears-up-to-fail-2017-5

* Sears Holdings spent $5.8 billion buying back shares from 2005 to 2010, draining the company of resources.
* CEO Eddie Lampert defended the buybacks as the most efficient use of capital, arguing that investment in stores wasn't necessary.
* The company — considered the most vulnerable publicly traded retailer — is now selling off assets to stay afloat.


When Sears was flush with cash, this took the form of billions of dollars of share repurchases, even as the stores suffered years of underinvestment. Repurchases, or buybacks, are common among cash-rich companies, but also derided in some corners as a waste of a company's resources as they only serve to create the appearance of improving earnings.

"Eddie has orchestrated for himself, and for the benefit of shareholders, the most protracted liquidation in history," Tawil said in an interview with Business Insider.

 

YOHABLO

(7,358 posts)
49. How dare those pensioners bring down a fine institution like Sears/ Kmart !!
Fri Sep 14, 2018, 04:16 PM
Sep 2018
< just in case there are any that question.

PSPS

(13,577 posts)
50. Having someone who knows nothing of the retailing business is what killed it.
Fri Sep 14, 2018, 04:21 PM
Sep 2018

The same thing is happening to every large store that has replaced its retail-savvy leader (due to death, being forced, retirement) with someone whose only background is in "finance."

Bengus81

(6,927 posts)
51. Every Sears former employee on a pension owes Eddie a hugeeeee apology for screwing up his Company!!
Fri Sep 14, 2018, 04:21 PM
Sep 2018

It's ALWAYS employee's that cause a Company financial trouble--usually those ole' evillll union workers.

Turbineguy

(37,285 posts)
52. It's the victim's fault
Fri Sep 14, 2018, 04:26 PM
Sep 2018

that there are serial killers.

Guys like this are why guillotines were invented.

Initech

(100,028 posts)
58. The headline SHOULD read: "What's killing Sears? Its own CEO"
Fri Sep 14, 2018, 05:07 PM
Sep 2018

Really the billionaire criminal CEO class are the ones to blame. They make 7, 8+ figures a year, their company goes under. Gee, what a coincidence!

MichMan

(11,864 posts)
59. Sears is in the situation of many old established companies
Fri Sep 14, 2018, 05:59 PM
Sep 2018

… that have lost market share over the years and downsized. They intended to pay as you go for retirees and it worked for many years until sales were down and the number of employees decreased to the point where the ratio of retired to active was unfavorable. I'm not saying that's right, but that is how things turned out.

Many state and local governments have the same issue with underfunded pensions. Detroit was an example and their retirees had to decide to agree to a cut or risk it being settled in court. The Central States Teamster multi employer pension fund pays out $3.50 for every $1 they receive in current contributions, so every year the fund gets smaller and smaller.

One of the few exceptions is the Post Office and many are angry that the PO is forced by law to pre pay into the retirement fund, but I bet their workers feel better about it.

If in fact Sears does go bankrupt, I suspect the pensions would be turned over the the PGBC and the retirees will be forced to take a cut. I have a 401k and maybe it isn't as bad as some people make it out to be.








Stonepounder

(4,033 posts)
67. You mean the employees that hired yesterday at the Post Office?
Fri Sep 14, 2018, 07:42 PM
Sep 2018

The rules that Congressed passed (to aid their buddies at FedEx and UPS) says that the USPS must prefund the expected pension payout for every employee. So, if I hire you today I have to assume you will make the Post Office a career and I had to deposit an amount into the pension plan that will fully fund your pension when you retire.

No other gov't agency, dept, or any other corp has to do that.

keithbvadu2

(36,640 posts)
71. "If in fact Sears does go bankrupt..." other than pension dollars... other benefits such as medical
Sat Sep 15, 2018, 12:17 AM
Sep 2018

"If in fact Sears does go bankrupt..." other than pension dollars... other benefits such as medical might disappear or go way down in coverage.

Rabrrrrrr

(58,347 posts)
61. What a bullshitting piece of shit. If I were on Sears' board,
Fri Sep 14, 2018, 06:05 PM
Sep 2018

I'd look the lying incompetent fucker in the eyes and say "Those expenses were known well in advance. You can't blame falling income on people being paid. Dumbass."

The fault is with a leader who's too goddamned stupid to realize he needs to take pensions into account.

Fuck you, Lampert. Piece of shit.

But then, if I were on the board of directors of Sears, I'd also probably be a useless monied turd who'd agree with the CEO.

And then, if what you say about what Lampert is doing is true - even more of a fuckstain!

Criminal asshole.

Rabrrrrrr

(58,347 posts)
81. Thanks! I kind of disappeared for many years (though occasionally looked in)
Sat Sep 15, 2018, 04:41 PM
Sep 2018

but have been posting occasionally this year. Needed to come back to DU for some sanity after the orange demon came into office.

:howdy:

paleotn

(17,876 posts)
63. He's destroying an icon in the process...
Fri Sep 14, 2018, 07:08 PM
Sep 2018

An icon that was never allowed to remake itself. Distance (called online today) commerce? Hell, Sears damn near invented it. There was a time when you could get everything, up to and including a damn house without ever walking into a Sears physical location. Craftsman was the epitome of quality when it came to tools. When my mom and dad needed an appliance, it was automatic....Sears.

Not that prior management didn't have its share of f' ups. The financial acquisitions in the 80's that were a bust. Instead of hiring folks that knew what the hell they were doing in soft lines, they acquired Lands End, destroying that brand. But those missteps pale in comparison to what this jackass has done. The worst being saddling Sears with the dead rhinocerous carcass that is Kmart. A carcass killed long ago by Wally World.

A worse waste of valuable, iconic brands and potential has rarely been seen in retailing history.

IsaacBell

(1 post)
64. Sounds like Sears thought
Fri Sep 14, 2018, 07:11 PM
Sep 2018

they could mark down their employee obligations and ignore them.
Poor business practices once again disable a legacy company.

Astraea

(464 posts)
69. Isn't this the Ayn Rand acolyte...
Sat Sep 15, 2018, 12:06 AM
Sep 2018

who drove the business into the ground by pitting departments and employees against each other, a la laissez faire survival of the fittest? I remember reading an article about him.

Atlas Shrugged, motherfucker!

PatrickforO

(14,557 posts)
70. Yeah, but the people who are hurt are the retirees who are going
Sat Sep 15, 2018, 12:09 AM
Sep 2018

to get screwed out of their pensions, and the employees who will lose their jobs.

Crazy Eddie Lampert is going to come out of it richer than ever.

Kurt V.

(5,624 posts)
77. i remember an article like that.
Sat Sep 15, 2018, 06:45 AM
Sep 2018

so when he realized he sucked at running Sears he had plan B ready all along.

 

Adrahil

(13,340 posts)
72. Another reason not to trust pension plans....
Sat Sep 15, 2018, 12:19 AM
Sep 2018

Sure as the sun will rise, that guy is gonna screw retirees out of their hard-earned pensions.

Raine

(30,540 posts)
74. THAT Is such bull shit
Sat Sep 15, 2018, 03:00 AM
Sep 2018

my father retired from Sears in the late 1980's and ended up getting screwed out of the big retirement package that everyone thinks he got that was based on a myth!

Vinca

(50,236 posts)
76. Bad management killed Sears. 2 examples -
Sat Sep 15, 2018, 06:16 AM
Sep 2018

When we were first married back in the early 70's, it was a rite of passage to go to Sears and buy all your first appliances with a Sears credit card. Every month you'd send in a small payment and eventually you owned it all (and built your credit, too). When the appliance needed servicing, you called Sears. When the appliance needed to be replaced, you went to Sears. We bought all kinds of things from Sears. Then, years later, we went in for a washer and dryer and wanted to put them on the Sears card. Sorry, we were told. No more Sears card. So the next time we needed something we decided to shop around. They essentially flushed loyal customers down the crapper. Many years later they must have realized their mistake because we got an offer for a Sears card. Too late. We didn't need it by then. Secondly, they closed all their stores. You can't buy fruit from an empty cart. It probably all goes back to the top and a CEO money grab. Greed destroys everything.

crazycatlady

(4,492 posts)
83. It is their own company
Tue Sep 18, 2018, 06:32 PM
Sep 2018

My Sears is closing. Last time I was in there, I went to the electronics section and thought I was in a Best Buy circa 2008.

They also had a journal style notebook that I thought was cute. On sale, it was $5.99. Burlington (in the same shopping center) had the exact same notebook for $2.99

85. response to patrick O
Thu Jan 10, 2019, 06:23 PM
Jan 2019

When Lampert took control of sears , one of the first times I heard his name, was when he took away all contributions from the 6,000 service techs across the U S. Then things begin to change as a tech, We no longer were visited by vice president in charge of Home Services. We were always told get it fixed the first time what ever it takes . We want that customer back in our stores. Then routing kept changing we were no longer routed by store, it was first changed by district, then later by region, then half the country east and west, as those changes were being made we had less hands on training, less time with other techs to talk over tech problems. my last year in late 2011, I rarely saw another tech in person. Call centers were taken away from home towns and finally moved to Pakistan. When I arrived on a call the customers were so irate at sears from long waits and then not being able to understand call center people, I would spend more calming the customer down than working on the repair. No morning chat times. Less training , We were told "you are suppose to be professionals" you should know this stuff. NO training on LG or Samsung appliances but still expected to identify problems and fix them . That was at a time Sears walked away from Whirlpool ,a 70 year working relationship. Kenmores were then made by LG. (Lampert would not be able to run Kenmore like it was), No training on LG, Samsung ,GE ,Fridgidaire, or Whirlpool Gone were seminars on new equipment , and the tech magazine which was always full of Techs helping techs. I thought, Lampert does not get it, The techs are there for a reason, get that customer back to Sears If you were a sears tech, you were taught well, trained by an a seasoned tech for two months before you were out on your own. When I stared in 2005 , it was still a good place to work, by 2007 you could see things were going down hill.... Parts and repair centers were closing , no longer had uniform service, there was more emphasis on selling things rather then repairs, Couldn't run your truck for heat if you were punched out for lunch if you packed a lunch, We had a union for a little while in Denver region, lasted about a year. I was the first one to leave within 2 years, 7 more techs quit, older guys combined service of over 175 years.. All Lampert did was take , take, and take, He really should be in Jail. How can one person take so much from two companies and not be prosecuted ?

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