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Senate Democrats Investigate a New Sexual-Misconduct Allegation Against Brett Kavanaugh (Original Post) ProudProgressiveNow Sep 2018 OP
I certainly would not be surprised if he did it. cstanleytech Sep 2018 #1
Debra Ramirez is a registered Democrat according to today's New Yorker story generalbetrayus Sep 2018 #23
I never said she wasnt I am simply saying we should be aware that the Repugnants or their allies cstanleytech Sep 2018 #27
Which FBI? watoos Sep 2018 #2
But can they? They investigate only federal crimes right not state ones usually unless this involved cstanleytech Sep 2018 #5
FBI investigates federal employees, elleng Sep 2018 #6
Ohhh so even though it happened before he was a federal employee cstanleytech Sep 2018 #7
They investigate PROPOSED S.CT. members, and elleng Sep 2018 #14
Hell, I had a federal background investigation Mr.Bill Sep 2018 #10
For a volunteer position? Did it involve having any access to the area where they kept the narcotics cstanleytech Sep 2018 #15
It involves access to areas with door codes Mr.Bill Sep 2018 #16
*whistles* It is always interesting to learn something new. cstanleytech Sep 2018 #19
Its complicated Sgent Sep 2018 #21
But WAIT! Bonus Time! There's a calendar for that one too! bucolic_frolic Sep 2018 #3
Boom! mcar Sep 2018 #4
And Jane Mayer. She's thorough. Snellius Sep 2018 #9
She is a highly regarded journalist mcar Sep 2018 #13
Mayer's books on Cheney and Dark Money are models of investigative journalism. Snellius Sep 2018 #17
Link to more complete New Yorker coverage Julian Englis Sep 2018 #8
Brett Kavanaugh and His Enablers Remind Me of the Stanford Rapist, Brock Turner TomCADem Sep 2018 #11
Bet he still drinks a lot. I wonder if there's some Drunk and Disorderly out there. icymist Sep 2018 #12
What's this about putting his penis in her face? Snellius Sep 2018 #18
What does TMZ mean by the part about "celebs"? Who cares TMZ? BigmanPigman Sep 2018 #20
I think they mean people like Ann Coulter. Haggis for Breakfast Sep 2018 #22
Oh, I thought she was trash. BigmanPigman Sep 2018 #24
I remember a quote I read about her from Scott Kaufman Haggis for Breakfast Sep 2018 #25
If she is ever a guest on Bill Maher I can't watch. BigmanPigman Sep 2018 #26
(Sorry for this, but I gotta ask) Haggis for Breakfast Sep 2018 #28
Update... .99center Sep 2018 #29

cstanleytech

(26,280 posts)
1. I certainly would not be surprised if he did it.
Sun Sep 23, 2018, 08:11 PM
Sep 2018

I would however caution some restraint in automatically accepting each story that appears until there is more background on the person who's claiming it.
Why? Because I honestly think the Repugnants would try to fake such a story in order to try and use it to defuse these women's claims by exposing the claim as fake in order to try to get the public to think "Since she was lying could the other women be lying to?".
After all look at how some of them like Trump will hire crowds to attend events and cheer and clap for them.

generalbetrayus

(507 posts)
23. Debra Ramirez is a registered Democrat according to today's New Yorker story
Sun Sep 23, 2018, 09:34 PM
Sep 2018

and she is being represented currently by Stan Garnett, a former Democratic, Boulder County (of course) district attorney, now working for a high-powered, private Denver legal firm. This woman is for real.

https://www.newyorker.com/news/news-desk/senate-democrats-investigate-a-new-allegation-of-sexual-misconduct-from-the-supreme-court-nominee-brett-kavanaughs-college-years-deborah-ramirez

cstanleytech

(26,280 posts)
27. I never said she wasnt I am simply saying we should be aware that the Repugnants or their allies
Sun Sep 23, 2018, 10:23 PM
Sep 2018

such as the Russians could try such a stunt.

cstanleytech

(26,280 posts)
5. But can they? They investigate only federal crimes right not state ones usually unless this involved
Sun Sep 23, 2018, 08:16 PM
Sep 2018

crossing state lines I thought?
If it did not then about the only hope is probably the state and thats only if it has not passed the statute of limitations.
Fords claims is an exception however for the state since there is no statute of limitations in the state where it occurred from what I read for sexually assaulting a minor.

cstanleytech

(26,280 posts)
7. Ohhh so even though it happened before he was a federal employee
Sun Sep 23, 2018, 08:28 PM
Sep 2018

they can still investigate? I did not know that to be honest.

elleng

(130,849 posts)
14. They investigate PROPOSED S.CT. members, and
Sun Sep 23, 2018, 08:36 PM
Sep 2018

they investigate people's entire lives, ESPECIALLY before they become federal employees.

cstanleytech

(26,280 posts)
15. For a volunteer position? Did it involve having any access to the area where they kept the narcotics
Sun Sep 23, 2018, 08:37 PM
Sep 2018

or something like that?

Mr.Bill

(24,264 posts)
16. It involves access to areas with door codes
Sun Sep 23, 2018, 08:42 PM
Sep 2018

where the general public is not allowed. It also involves verbal if not physical contact with patients. Volunteers are vetted the same as any other hospital employee and attend the same orientation class as employees. I would imagine it's a CYA/liability situation. I don't know what agencies were involved, but I was told they spend $1,400 on the investigation.

Sgent

(5,857 posts)
21. Its complicated
Sun Sep 23, 2018, 09:02 PM
Sep 2018

He de facto has TS/SCI clearance for practical purposes, and will as a SCOTUS member as well. The FBI conducts all background checks.

There is a separation of powers issue though because of the various branches involved, so its not a formal TS clearance.

TomCADem

(17,387 posts)
11. Brett Kavanaugh and His Enablers Remind Me of the Stanford Rapist, Brock Turner
Sun Sep 23, 2018, 08:35 PM
Sep 2018

I think it is uncanny how people make the same sort of excuses for Brett Kavanaugh that Brock Turner's father and the Superior Court judge who sentenced Brock Turner made for the Stanford rapist:

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/jun/06/father-stanford-university-student-brock-turner-sexual-assault-statement

20 minutes of action’: father defends Stanford student son convicted of sexual assault

The father of a former Stanford University athlete convicted on multiple charges of sexual assault has said his son should not have to go to prison for “20 minutes of action”.

Brock Turner, a former swimmer at Stanford University, was on Thursday sentenced to six months’ imprisonment and probation for sexually assaulting an unconscious woman.

The 20-year-old from Dayton, Ohio – who was convicted of three felonies, including assault with intent to rape – faced a maximum of 14 years in prison.

But Turner was expected to spend only three months of a six-month sentence in county jail after the judge, Aaron Persky, said positive character references and lack of a criminal record had persuaded him to be more lenient. Prison would have a “severe impact on him”, the judge said.


icymist

(15,888 posts)
12. Bet he still drinks a lot. I wonder if there's some Drunk and Disorderly out there.
Sun Sep 23, 2018, 08:35 PM
Sep 2018

From the article:

James Roche was roommates with Kavanaugh at the time of the alleged incident and is now the C.E.O. of a software company in San Francisco. “Debbie and I became close friends shortly after we both arrived at Yale,” he said. “She stood out as being exceptionally honest and gentle. I cannot imagine her making this up.” He said that he never witnessed Kavanaugh engage in any sexual misconduct, but did recall him being “frequently, incoherently drunk.” He described Ramirez as a vulnerable outsider. “Is it believable that she was alone with a wolfy group of guys who thought it was funny to sexually torment a girl like Debbie? Yeah, definitely. Is it believable that Kavanaugh was one of them? Yes.”

BigmanPigman

(51,582 posts)
20. What does TMZ mean by the part about "celebs"? Who cares TMZ?
Sun Sep 23, 2018, 08:49 PM
Sep 2018

"It's unclear if Ramirez's story (or testimony) will come into play at Thursday's hearing ... which some celebs have already written off before hearing what Blasey Ford has to say. Kavanaugh is still waiting to be confirmed to the Supreme Court as President Trump's latest nominee."

Haggis for Breakfast

(6,831 posts)
25. I remember a quote I read about her from Scott Kaufman
Sun Sep 23, 2018, 10:14 PM
Sep 2018

It goes like this:

"A deep-seated but perpetually unmet need to be taken seriously that manifests itself as juvenile outbursts of contrarian soundbites."

She disgusts me.

.99center

(1,237 posts)
29. Update...
Mon Sep 24, 2018, 05:32 PM
Sep 2018
2 Kavanaugh classmates withdrew from a statement his lawyers issued disputing Ramirez’s claims. It is now signed by the 2 men whom Ramirez alleged had egged on Kavanaugh, the wife of the man she said told her to "kiss it,” and one other classmate:




This story was updated with comments from two former classmates of Kavanaugh, Louisa Garry and Dino Ewing, who initially signed a statement of support for Kavanaugh provided by his attorneys. They approached The New Yorker after this story was published and asked that their names be removed from the statement, saying that they did not wish to dispute Ramirez’s claims.
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