Khashoggi 'died after fight' - Saudis

[Sunriser13]

Source: BBC

Journalist Jamal Khashoggi died after a fight in the Saudi consulate in Istanbul, the country's state TV reported quoting an initial probe.

It said deputy intelligence chief Ahmad al-Assiri and Saud al-Qahtani, senior aide to Crown Prince Mohammed Bin Salman, were dismissed over the affair.

The news bulletin said 18 Saudi nationals have now been detained as part of the continuing probe.

This is the first time the kingdom has admitted Mr Khashoggi has died.

Saudi King Salman has also reportedly ordered the formation of a ministerial committee, headed by Crown Prince Mohammed, to restructure the intelligence services.

The journalist was last seen entering the Saudi consulate in Istanbul on 2 October, to pick up paperwork that would allow him to marry his fiance Hatice Cengiz.

Read more: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-45923217

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Edit (1) to advise that the story has been added to and there is now more information at link.
(2) headline also changed from above to "Jamal Khashoggi case: Journalist 'died after fight' - Saudi TV"

[Docreed2003]

1. Gee...

I think I'd put up a fight too if a bunch of thugs were attempting to torture me to death!

[saidsimplesimon]

2. 15 Saudis has morphed into 18?

Why did Khashoggi go willingly into the embassy? Was it an offer (threat) he could not ignore or refuse?

[JI7]

4. he wanted to get documents so he could get married

his finance was outside waiting for him.

[saidsimplesimon]

6. Link please?

He was a brilliant journalist, why would he take no precautions? Was an in person trip to the embassy in Turkey his only option?

[Dave Starsky]

11. There's that blaming the victim thing again.

Seriously, who knows what someone told him to think it was okay to go in there and get the documents he needed? He was chopped into pieces while he was still alive, and while his fiancee was waiting outside for him. Does It really matter?

[saidsimplesimon]

12. Not my intention, my regrets if it offended you.

If I were a journalist, these are the questions I would ask. It is part of the fabric of the story, imo.

[Cha]

15. The Trail of Clues in the Disappearance of Jamal Khashoggi

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Mr. Khashoggi, a Saudi citizen, had been living in self-imposed exile in the United States since last year. He visited the Saudi Consulate in Istanbul to collect a document that would allow him to marry his Turkish fiancée, but was told he would have to return..

Much more..
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2018/10/09/world/middleeast/jamal-khashoggi-timeline.html

[Cha]

13. Link..

The Trail of Clues in the
Disappearance of Jamal Khashoggi

Mr. Khashoggi, a Saudi citizen, had been living in self-imposed exile in the United States since last year. He visited the Saudi Consulate in Istanbul to collect a document that would allow him to marry his Turkish fiancée, but was told he would have to return..

Much more..
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2018/10/09/world/middleeast/jamal-khashoggi-timeline.html

[saidsimplesimon]

16. Red light flashing on aisle 4?

I don't think "media" sources have uncovered the whole fabric of facts in this story. just my opinion

[Cha]

17. You're welcome.

[Sunriser13]

19. Thanks, Cha, for responding to this!

I'm more brokenhearted about this than I thought possible. I look into this man's eyes and my tears well up, both in sorrow and in anger. So fucking cruel!!!

[Cha]

21. I feel the same, Sunriser.. The article

is quite comprehensive, too.

I didn't know he was going in the embassy to get documents so he could be married that day.

Even pictures of the Saudis who were there.

Jamaal Khashoggi

[pnwmom]

28. There are probably dozens of links to that basic fact. You could find one yourself. But he did take

precautions. He didn't go to Saudi Arabia to get the document, though people had been encouraging him to, and promising he would be safe.

He went to Turkey instead, and left his fiancee standing outside of the building, with his cell phones. She was the one who notified authorities when he never came out.

This is part of what his fiancée wrote more than a week ago.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/global-opinions/wp/2018/10/09/please-president-trump-shed-light-on-my-fiances-disappearance/?utm_term=.c21bf0257b33

On Sept. 28, Jamal visited the Saudi Consulate in Istanbul for the first time, despite being somewhat concerned that he could be in danger. Yet he noted that there was no warrant for his arrest in his native country. Although his opinions had angered certain people, he said, the tensions between himself and Saudi Arabia did not amount to hate, grudges or threats.

He was, however, increasingly worried about an unprecedented wave of arrests in his country. Yet Jamal did not think the Saudis could force him to stay at the consulate in Turkey, even if they wanted to arrest him. In other words, he did not mind walking into the Saudi Consulate in Istanbul because he did not believe that something bad could happen on Turkish soil. It would be a violation of international law to harm, arrest or detain people at a diplomatic mission, he said, and noted that no such thing had ever happened in Turkey’s history. After a positive first meeting with consular staff, who welcomed him warmly and assured him that the necessary paperwork would come through, Jamal was hardly concerned ahead of his second visit. He walked into the consulate of Saudi Arabia, his native country, without doubting he would be safe there.

After seeing how relaxed he was, I waited patiently and full of hope. But after three hours I was overcome with fear and concern. I texted a few friends to inform them, and I asked about Jamal at the consular building. I received an answer that further fueled my fears: Jamal had already left, they told me, possibly without my noticing. Trying to stay calm, I immediately called Yasin Aktay, an adviser to Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan and one of Jamal’s oldest friends. Since the incident came to the attention of the press and law enforcement, I have been waiting fearfully.

This much is true: He entered the consulate, and there’s no proof that he came out. In recent days, I’ve witnessed the work of the Turkish authorities as they monitor the situation closely. I am confident in the abilities of Turkish government officials. At this time, I implore President Trump and first lady Melania Trump to help shed light on Jamal’s disappearance. I also urge Saudi Arabia, especially King Salman and Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman, to show the same level of sensitivity and release CCTV footage from the consulate. Although this incident could potentially fuel a political crisis between the two nations, let us not lose sight of the human aspect of what happened. Jamal is a valuable person, an exemplary thinker and a courageous man who has been fighting for his principles. I don’t know how I can keep living if he was abducted or killed in Turkey.

[True_Blue]

31. Here you go...

"Khashoggi went missing after he entered the Saudi Arabian consulate in Istanbul, Turkey, to obtain a marriage license."
http://time.com/5429764/saudi-journalist-jamal-khashoggi-legacy/

[True_Blue]

32. Sadly he wasn't warned by our Intelligence

That they picked up chatter of a plot to kill him.

Did you know that he was banned by the Saudis for criticizing Trump?

"Saudi Arabia bans journalist for criticising Donald Trump"

"A Saudi Arabian journalist and commentator has been banned by his country for criticising US President-elect Donald Trump.

Jamal Khashoggi has been banned from writing in newspapers, making TV appearances and attending conferences, Middle East Eye reports."
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/saudi-arabia-donald-trump-journalist-banned-for-criticising-us-president-elect-a7456956.html?amp

[blitzen]

3. and they added: "The fight broke out when Gianforte body slammed the reporter." n/t

[C_U_L8R]

5. "...then he accidentally fell on a bone saw"

Ridiculous and unbelievable. But just watch Trump buy into this bullshit.

[PSPS]

7. Absurd cover story. Hard to "fight" when your fingers have been cut off.

[still_one]

8. bullshit. That is going to be their cover story for "self-defense"?

[NBachers]

9. Are they going to bring out his stitched-back-together body from wherever they dumped it?

Trump must be acting as the Saudis' defense attorney because Giuliani is confined to the White House basement booby-hatch.

[RockRaven]

10. THEY... BROUGHT... A... BONE... SAW...

Nobody with a functioning brain will believe anything but an admission he was murdered in a premeditated fashion.

[hatrack]

14. Yeah, like a 60-year-old journalist is fucking John Wick

Oh, and I hear Mister Bone Saw is going to head the "investigation".

They really think we're stupid, don't they?

They really think we're as stupid as FUCKING TRUMP VOTERS.

[KrazyinKS]

18. He wore a smart watch and recorded what was happening

At least that is what I heard on the news. That tells me he must of had some suspicions.

[Power 2 the People]

20. Yeah Khashoggi walked into an 18 on 1 fist fight.

Hopefully the MSM doesn't let Agent Orange get away with using this ridiculous narrative. The press better step it up or they risk being the next Khashoggi if this bullshit is normalized. It's no longer about ratings you greedy MSM motherfuckers.

[TygrBright]

22. THEY BROUGHT A BONE SAW. n/t

[chowder66]

23. So that's why trump brought of Gianforte, talking about a "fight". He gave them their talking

points. It was weird to bring that up out of nowhere but now it makes sense.

[cstanleytech]

24. Survey says !!!!

[Blue_Tires]

25. Greenwald and Snowden were unavailable for comment

It's funny because Snowden is the goddamn president of FPF yet for some reason he's more interested in having some kind of mutual anime fangasm with Elon Musk

[joshcryer]

30. GG trashed anyone who had any business with the Saudi's...

...but as they cut ties, en masse, he's barely peeped about them cleaning shop.

FPF barely tweeted about this issue, didn't even bother to write a news article.

Snowden has been silent on the matter.

Why are they afraid to come out against it?

It's simple enough. They are aligned ideologically with the Putinistas.

[scipan]

35. What do you mean? I went to The Intercept

and there's a podcast that is pretty anti-Saudi but mainly says that US is aligning with Israel, Saudi against Iran, that Israel wants war with Iran, which I think is correct after watching Netanyahu make that speech in congress .

[joshcryer]

36. Talking about Greenwald himself.

In fact this article shaming the Washington Post doesn't even have a retraction (or at least a correction), even after the Washington Post fired those lobbyists: https://theintercept.com/2018/10/15/the-washington-post-as-it-shames-others-continues-to-pay-and-publish-undisclosed-saudi-lobbyists-and-other-regime-propagandists/

Classic whataboutism, btw.

[KentuckyWoman]

26. It isn't even a plausible cover story.

We formed a committee....

Lame.

[Stuart G]

27. Lies on top of lies...Think..it took them 17 days to come out with this story..

SEVENTEEN DAYS ....??????

If this were the truth, then they could have come out with this in 17 hours, or 57 minutes...not.......
...........SEVENTEEN DAYS.......!!!!!!!!! to acknowledge it ...WAS A FIGHT!!!

[SunSeeker]

29. He died after a fight with a BONE SAW.

[True_Blue]

33. An autopsy would determine the cause of his death

Isn't an autopsy standard procedure in a murder investigation?

[SunSeeker]

34. Ah, but there is conveniently no body.

The Saudis claim the body was given to "Turkish collaborators" who "disposed" of the body.

[Hugin]

37. Okay, what's fishy about the Saudis sending 16 people to catch one man who only...

wrote critical articles in a foreign newspaper.