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appalachiablue

(41,102 posts)
Mon Nov 12, 2018, 05:31 PM Nov 2018

School Considers Legal Action After Dozens Of Students Appear to Give Nazi Salute At Prom

Last edited Mon Nov 12, 2018, 06:50 PM - Edit history (2)

Source: Law & Crime

By Ron Blitzer, 6 hrs. ago.

A Wisconsin school district is considering what consequences students should face after an alarming photograph surfaced, supposedly of the male students of the class of 2019. The image, tweeted from an account that has since been made private, allegedly shows dozens of Baraboo High School students at their junior prom giving the Nazi salute.

A screenshot was shared by Twitter user @CarlySidey, with details later posted by VICE contributor Jules Suzdaltsev. The account that originally posted the image, @GoBaraboo, is now listed as "protected," meaning only permitted users are allowed to see its posts.

The Barbaroo School District has yet to issue a response, but their official Twitter account retweeted a message from School District Administrator Lori Mueller that addressed the issue, and it appears that they are taking the matter very seriously, even considering legal action, should it be deemed appropriate.

Law&Crime reached out to Mueller for additional comment. A phone call to Barbaroo High School was directed to the voicemail of Principal Glenn Bildsten, but so far there has been no response to a message left by Law&Crime.

Read more: http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/school-considers-legal-action-after-dozens-of-students-appear-to-give-nazi-salute-at-prom/ar-BBPCyI2?ocid=HPCOMMDHP15






Jules Suzdaltsev? Verified account @jules_su

- Correction: The photo of students doing salutes is the Class of 2019, not 2018, and was taken during their junior prom.

- CBS Milwaukee, 11/12/18. School District letter sent to parents:
http://www.cbs58.com/news/baraboo-school-district-investigates-boys-apparent-nazi-salute





- Baraboo, Wisconsin. Population 12,000, 94% white.

- WIKI, Baraboo, WI, Population, 2010- 12,048, Est. 2016- 12,173. *94% white population.
The Baraboo SA is just northwest of the Madison metropolitan area, with which it forms the Census Bureau's Baraboo-Madison Consolidated Metropolitan Statistical Area.

2010 census: As of the census of 2010, there were 12,048 people.The racial makeup of the city was 94.0% White, 1.3% African American, 1.0% Native American, 0.5% Asian, 0.1% Pacific Islander, 1.5% from other races, and 1.6% from two or more races. Hispanic or Latino of any race were 3.7% of the population. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baraboo,_Wisconsin
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- Hitler and Mussolini, WWII.



Hitlerjugend/Hitler Youth (1926-1945).
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hitler_Youth



Flag of Hitler Youth, Hitlerjugend Allgemeine Flagge.
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School Considers Legal Action After Dozens Of Students Appear to Give Nazi Salute At Prom (Original Post) appalachiablue Nov 2018 OP
Legally they're covered by the first amendment leftynyc Nov 2018 #1
Similar happened in a town near me that made national news NewJeffCT Nov 2018 #3
If I were their teacher, it wouldn't stop me from giving every last one of them an F. calimary Nov 2018 #18
F for history class AlexSFCA Nov 2018 #27
You're assuming the teachers leftynyc Nov 2018 #31
I'll continue that assumption, and it's no leap. Hortensis Nov 2018 #43
And the clown on the front row, 4th from left, is flashing the white power sign sandensea Nov 2018 #2
Do you possibly mean 5th from the left? (NT) HuskyOffset Nov 2018 #21
I hope the picture and their names are sent to college admissions offices NewJeffCT Nov 2018 #4
This... MissMillie Nov 2018 #20
It's their junior prom, so they are about 17. Chemisse Nov 2018 #25
They're 17, not 6. They knew exactly what they were doing. Aristus Nov 2018 #35
They can sit and watch Shoah meadowlander Nov 2018 #39
Lock them in a room (individually) and force them to watch Holocaust and a few documentaries. Chemisse Nov 2018 #5
Agree, there's about 67 guys in the photo. Dangerous stuff. appalachiablue Nov 2018 #23
Night and Fog Chrysanthemum Nov 2018 #37
Shitler's Youth sagetea Nov 2018 #6
The boy in the upper right hand corner is not participating alittlelark Nov 2018 #7
He has been, fortunately. His name is Jordan Blue fountainofyouth Nov 2018 #12
--- the photographer tells 'em to "make the sign?" 3Hotdogs Nov 2018 #32
+1 dalton99a Nov 2018 #41
He needs to develop better taste in friends. Immediately. Paladin Nov 2018 #13
Those aren't his friends, this is a class photo Downtown Hound Nov 2018 #16
... Downtown Hound Nov 2018 #14
This message was self-deleted by its author Wuddles440 Nov 2018 #8
ばか やろ! yuiyoshida Nov 2018 #9
Stupid kids Pisces Nov 2018 #10
Legal action? That sounds like a cop out answer. Downtown Hound Nov 2018 #11
According to ex students and students of this school - racists complaints were not acted upon womanofthehills Nov 2018 #15
Impt. to know. Something better be done, or this will ramp up. appalachiablue Nov 2018 #22
All of them are probably going to be Turning Point members pretty soon dustyscamp Nov 2018 #17
They all look like Charlie Kirk already RhodeIslandOne Nov 2018 #34
Baraboo, Wisc. marieo1 Nov 2018 #19
School administrator's responses greatly inadequate cp Nov 2018 #24
+1 appalachiablue Nov 2018 #30
+1 That was my thought too. forgotmylogin Nov 2018 #38
Since when is a prom not a school-sponsored activity? obamanut2012 Nov 2018 #26
Legal action? No. Retrograde Nov 2018 #28
An adult off camera suggested the salute. Ellipsis Nov 2018 #29
Why am I not surpised? N/t TexasBushwhacker Nov 2018 #33
On a sorta related note Lokilooney Nov 2018 #36
Residents of Baraboo and the surrounding Sauk County area received mailers from white nationalists: dalton99a Nov 2018 #40
They need to learn about what happened to the German soldiers raccoon Nov 2018 #42
I suggest they quickly put together a course to study Hitler, the Holocaust and the meaning Vinca Nov 2018 #44
It's a tough first lesson... words have meaning and consequences. LanternWaste Nov 2018 #45
 

leftynyc

(26,060 posts)
1. Legally they're covered by the first amendment
Mon Nov 12, 2018, 05:33 PM
Nov 2018

That doesn't stop the school from suspending or expelling the little turds.

NewJeffCT

(56,828 posts)
3. Similar happened in a town near me that made national news
Mon Nov 12, 2018, 05:40 PM
Nov 2018

it wasn't the nazi salute, but a student was angry at her school administrators over something being cancelled at the school, and called them "douchebags" and other similar words on social media.

she was suspended from the school and then barred from running for Senior Class Secretary - when she won as a write in candidate, she was barred from holding the position.

She sued - and lost.

Case summary here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doninger_v._Niehoff

But, I think calling school admins "douchebags" on social media is a few steps below having a mass Nazi Salute on school grounds.


calimary

(81,040 posts)
18. If I were their teacher, it wouldn't stop me from giving every last one of them an F.
Mon Nov 12, 2018, 06:12 PM
Nov 2018

For the SEMESTER, if not THE YEAR.

ALL of them, except for that one kid who didn't go along with it.

Let them explain that in their college applications.

 

leftynyc

(26,060 posts)
31. You're assuming the teachers
Mon Nov 12, 2018, 08:37 PM
Nov 2018

haven't taught them everything they know. I can't make that leap. The shits learned it somewhere and it's not always at home.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
43. I'll continue that assumption, and it's no leap.
Tue Nov 13, 2018, 08:32 AM
Nov 2018

I remember back in California 2 bright lively new high school grads from a good school district who couldn't answer when a reporter asked them how many senators each state had. My kids were taught that repeatedly, beginning in elementary school. I'd guess at home from their parents is precisely where the 2 girls learned that knowing this stuff didn't matter, reinforced by their friends.

I also remember going with a friend and his boys to a matinee for the movie Independence Day and being shocked and horrified when the theater full of kids cheered the destruction of the White House. Those kids got that from their parents, within the context of the growing dysfunction caused by the giant right wing anti-government conspiracy, which continues, and are now themselves parents.

sandensea

(21,586 posts)
2. And the clown on the front row, 4th from left, is flashing the white power sign
Mon Nov 12, 2018, 05:38 PM
Nov 2018

To say nothing of the caption.

This was deliberate and planned. They feel emboldened - and hell, why wouldn't they.

NewJeffCT

(56,828 posts)
4. I hope the picture and their names are sent to college admissions offices
Mon Nov 12, 2018, 05:42 PM
Nov 2018

around the country.

Kiss your hopes of an Ivy League, or near Ivy League, education goodbye losers.

MissMillie

(38,519 posts)
20. This...
Mon Nov 12, 2018, 06:24 PM
Nov 2018

over and over and over again.

I hope every college in the country sees this picture and doesn't admit them. (I have worked at two different colleges... they check FB pages and probably more.)

Then they can know what it's like to work for $8/hour and have no health insurance.

Chemisse

(30,802 posts)
25. It's their junior prom, so they are about 17.
Mon Nov 12, 2018, 07:50 PM
Nov 2018

They should be given a chance to see the error of their ways before their entire lives are ruined.

I would guess that most of these kids are followers and that even the leaders may think this is just a fun and cool way to rebel.

They need to learn about the pain and suffering this represents.

Aristus

(66,250 posts)
35. They're 17, not 6. They knew exactly what they were doing.
Mon Nov 12, 2018, 10:21 PM
Nov 2018

If they end up failing miserably at life, I hope they remember this moment as the reason.

meadowlander

(4,386 posts)
39. They can sit and watch Shoah
Tue Nov 13, 2018, 12:51 AM
Nov 2018

and then apologise in person to a Holocaust survivor and then do 300 hours of community service benefiting minorities. And then they can be considered for higher education.

Chemisse

(30,802 posts)
5. Lock them in a room (individually) and force them to watch Holocaust and a few documentaries.
Mon Nov 12, 2018, 05:43 PM
Nov 2018

These kids have no idea what horrors they are endorsing. Yes they learned about it all in History class, but it's not real to them.

appalachiablue

(41,102 posts)
23. Agree, there's about 67 guys in the photo. Dangerous stuff.
Mon Nov 12, 2018, 06:36 PM
Nov 2018

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American Nazi summer camp. Windham, NY, 1930s. (National Archives).

https://unwritten-record.blogs.archives.gov/2014/07/31/nazi-summer-camp-american-style/

sagetea

(1,366 posts)
6. Shitler's Youth
Mon Nov 12, 2018, 05:45 PM
Nov 2018

I think they should be sat in front of Military news/films from that time and see what horrors they are 'saluting'.

sage

alittlelark

(18,888 posts)
7. The boy in the upper right hand corner is not participating
Mon Nov 12, 2018, 05:49 PM
Nov 2018

And looks somewhat disturbed by it... i’d Like to see him interviewed about this disgusting moment.

Paladin

(28,239 posts)
13. He needs to develop better taste in friends. Immediately.
Mon Nov 12, 2018, 05:55 PM
Nov 2018

Like somebody on this thread said, the admissions people at various colleges aren't going to find this one damn bit funny.

Downtown Hound

(12,618 posts)
16. Those aren't his friends, this is a class photo
Mon Nov 12, 2018, 06:02 PM
Nov 2018

He was just there for the picture. He had no idea they were going to throw a Nazi salute. As he specifically says, those other kids have been bullying him for years, and he has no love for them at all.

Response to appalachiablue (Original post)

Downtown Hound

(12,618 posts)
11. Legal action? That sounds like a cop out answer.
Mon Nov 12, 2018, 05:54 PM
Nov 2018

Legally you can't do anything to them because they didn't do anything illegal. Morally reprehensible? Yes. But not illegal. But the school could take disciplinary action, and it sounds like they don't want to do that. It sounds like this type of crap has been going on at this school for awhile and the school administrators have turned a blind eye to it. Saying they are considering "legal action" that will never come sounds like an attempt to make it seem like they are doing something about it when they are not.

womanofthehills

(8,647 posts)
15. According to ex students and students of this school - racists complaints were not acted upon
Mon Nov 12, 2018, 05:59 PM
Nov 2018

Kids on Twitter telling of their racist experiences at this school with the administration never taking any action. Photographer was proud of shot and even had it on his webpage.

marieo1

(1,402 posts)
19. Baraboo, Wisc.
Mon Nov 12, 2018, 06:23 PM
Nov 2018

This is disgraceful............just like our disgraceful DJT, I'm sure if the kids think our president can act this way so can they. He needs to be gone so values and what we stand for can return to our nation. If DJT and other like him stay in power, these young people may be able to see first hand what horrors of Nazism they will have to live through. Where are the parents of these kids?

cp

(6,605 posts)
24. School administrator's responses greatly inadequate
Mon Nov 12, 2018, 07:34 PM
Nov 2018

Give them choice of 1) remedial classes in WW2 history and making a trip to Holocaust Museum, at their own expense, or 2) being expelled.

Retrograde

(10,119 posts)
28. Legal action? No.
Mon Nov 12, 2018, 07:53 PM
Nov 2018

Requiring them to attend a series of classes on what that salute means - including watching several films about the Holocaust - yes.

Ellipsis

(9,124 posts)
29. An adult off camera suggested the salute.
Mon Nov 12, 2018, 07:55 PM
Nov 2018

...the shit is just hitting the fan now.

The background building is the the Sauk county courthouse. Where the the police station is located.

Lokilooney

(322 posts)
36. On a sorta related note
Mon Nov 12, 2018, 11:19 PM
Nov 2018

How many think the original meaning should be taken back?

School children who know the proper way to salute the american flag using the Bellamy salute:

[link:|

The origin is from you know who:
[link:|

This is but one of other ancient symbols ruined by the douchebag, the others being the Swastika and the Fasces. Again, I may be getting off the subject a bit but I'm a believer in original context. By acknowledge the origin you strip power away from those that wish to appropriate said symbolism, by acknowledging the modern day interpretation...well you acknowledge them in the way they wanted you to.

dalton99a

(81,371 posts)
40. Residents of Baraboo and the surrounding Sauk County area received mailers from white nationalists:
Tue Nov 13, 2018, 01:55 AM
Nov 2018
https://www.wiscnews.com/baraboonewsrepublic/news/local/update-nazi-salutes-in-group-photo-of-boys-from-baraboo/article_3224ea4a-7423-5fc1-b2ca-20159f7129e5.html

More recently, some residents of Baraboo and the surrounding Sauk County area received mailers from white nationalists.

A week before the Nov. 6 midterm election, a flyer with the header “WHITE LIVES MATTER,” was illegally distributed in mailboxes in Baraboo, Reedsburg and Spring Green. Fliers also were placed on vehicles in Wisconsin Dells.

The single-page flyer listed links to several websites promoting nationalist and anti-Semitic views. The Baraboo postmaster said at the time the office was aware of the flyers and carriers were removing them.

raccoon

(31,105 posts)
42. They need to learn about what happened to the German soldiers
Tue Nov 13, 2018, 08:16 AM
Nov 2018

They need to learn about what happened to the German soldiers that were sent to the Russian front.

Very few of them made it back alive. of those who did some of them didn’t make it back to Germany until the 1950s.

But the little shits probably did it for attention.

Vinca

(50,233 posts)
44. I suggest they quickly put together a course to study Hitler, the Holocaust and the meaning
Tue Nov 13, 2018, 08:38 AM
Nov 2018

of the "salute." Given the general lack of knowledge young people seem to have (take your noses out of your phones), this group of young men might well be totally clueless about the implications of the photo. Rather than take "legal action" (what the heck would that be??), educate them.

 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
45. It's a tough first lesson... words have meaning and consequences.
Tue Nov 13, 2018, 09:55 AM
Nov 2018

My initial reaction is to cut them a break... they're only juniors in high school.

My second reaction is that as a junior in high school, I was old enough to realize that raising my arm a nazi salute would be among the worst and most stupid decisions I could make.

So yeah, these aren't idiot kids so much as they're just idiots.

Let the consequences of their actions be a reminder to them to stop making idiot choices.

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