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DonViejo

(60,536 posts)
Fri Nov 23, 2018, 04:23 PM Nov 2018

Problem Solvers Dems: We 'cannot support' Pelosi for Speaker 'at this time'

Source: The Hill



BY MELANIE ZANONA - 11/23/18 12:35 PM EST

A band of Democrats who are demanding House rule reforms have yet to reach a deal with Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.), the group announced Friday, putting up a potential roadblock in Pelosi’s quest to reclaim the Speaker’s gavel.

Nine Democrats on the bipartisan Problem Solvers Caucus have vowed to withhold their votes for Speaker unless the candidate agrees to overhaul the House rules. Pelosi, who has been open to such changes, met with the group last week and promised to put in writing the changes to which she would commit.

But the Democrats say they have yet to receive any specific commitments, calling the situation a “stalemate”. They had initially requested a response by last Friday but agreed to give the California Democrat a few more days.

“While we appreciate Leader Pelosi’s broad commitment to our effort, we have yet to receive specific commitments to our proposed rules changes that would help ‘Break the Gridlock’ and allow for true bipartisan governing in this new era of divided government,” the Democrats said in a statement provided to The Hill.

Read more: https://thehill.com/homenews/house/418031-problem-solvers-dems-we-cannot-support-pelosi-for-speaker-at-this-time

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Problem Solvers Dems: We 'cannot support' Pelosi for Speaker 'at this time' (Original Post) DonViejo Nov 2018 OP
It was at 16 and now down to 9? Wintryjade Nov 2018 #1
It's mostly a different group from the other 16 marylandblue Nov 2018 #6
Thank you for the information. Wintryjade Nov 2018 #11
OK, give a better choice -- or shut up. no_hypocrisy Nov 2018 #2
K&R!!! n/t RKP5637 Nov 2018 #4
true bipartisan lol. sounds like 3rd way repub talk. nt msongs Nov 2018 #3
No such thing as 'bipartisan' at this point in time....they're dreaming groundloop Nov 2018 #7
Since I found out True Blue American Nov 2018 #23
Yep Power 2 the People Nov 2018 #21
Blue Dogs. New Dems. Turd Way. No Labels. or whatever shanny Nov 2018 #38
You can get a Berniecrat elected in a place like UT-4 or SC-1? brooklynite Nov 2018 #42
Knew someone would have zentrum Nov 2018 #45
Not an insult; a reflection of liberal-left politics that doesn't win seats in Red States. brooklynite Nov 2018 #46
Bingo! nt reACTIONary Nov 2018 #50
It's not an insult to point out that ... reACTIONary Nov 2018 #49
Sorry, I thought we were discussing who should be Speaker. shanny Nov 2018 #52
We are; and the pool of new House members come from more Republican districts... brooklynite Nov 2018 #53
Yep I'm sure all the new women and minorities who were just elected shanny Nov 2018 #56
They need to change their name. lilactime Nov 2018 #5
K&R chowder66 Nov 2018 #54
Pelosi's people said negotiations are continuing marylandblue Nov 2018 #8
tell these nine to go pound sand. lapfog_1 Nov 2018 #9
No, that's not what it means at all... brooklynite Nov 2018 #43
Biggest Blue wave in the history of midterm elections.. PerceptionManagement Nov 2018 #10
Why does The Hill seem to continuously report on or create the appearance of Dem infighting? pecosbob Nov 2018 #12
They are basically a gossip column for Washington insiders. marylandblue Nov 2018 #14
Yup, similar to Politico still_one Nov 2018 #27
Politico has a Reputation As... tonekat Nov 2018 #59
The Hill sucks and is wrong a lot. pwb Nov 2018 #16
Because the Hill is owned by a Republican billionaire! True Blue American Nov 2018 #26
So a leadership fight shouldn't be reported on because it's depressing to Democrats? brooklynite Nov 2018 #44
It's about spin...that's all I'm saying pecosbob Nov 2018 #47
"true bipartisan governing" skypilot Nov 2018 #13
They only speak of bipartisanship when Dems are in power. When they are it's go pound sand... brush Nov 2018 #22
I have a feeling BaronChocula Nov 2018 #15
Yeah Mystery sage Nov 2018 #18
agree - repugs can sure exploit cracks in the wall. rurallib Nov 2018 #20
"bipartisan Problem Solvers Caucus" angstlessk Nov 2018 #17
Oh, no,blue dogs True Blue American Nov 2018 #29
Ryan Costello PA-6, iirc DeminPennswoods Nov 2018 #62
Get in a big circle, and give everyone a gun... Hulk Nov 2018 #19
I like some of the things they've come up with. jmowreader Nov 2018 #24
As I understand it, the 3/5 supermajority is only for closed rules marylandblue Nov 2018 #33
How often do bills come up on closed rules? jmowreader Nov 2018 #35
At least 84 times this Congress, as of May 2018 marylandblue Nov 2018 #40
These things would be fine if they could apply to both Republican and Democratic Eric J in MN Nov 2018 #39
What is this democrats who watch fox news? pwb Nov 2018 #25
What a friggin laugh. Wellstone ruled Nov 2018 #28
Makes sense. Looks like it was started as offshoot of NoLabels by Huntsman and Lieberman. suffragette Nov 2018 #32
I'm not too worried. This is little more than posturing The Liberal Lion Nov 2018 #30
Problem solving? You mean, fix the rat-fucking KPN Nov 2018 #31
Sound like they're the problem. Historic NY Nov 2018 #34
They want to team up with Republicans to pass bills for Big Business Eric J in MN Nov 2018 #36
"Problem Solvers" ... ROFL NurseJackie Nov 2018 #37
I swear everyime something like this happens Rural_Progressive Nov 2018 #41
Democrats on the Caucus are OKNancy Nov 2018 #48
Fuck "bipartisanship" thucythucy Nov 2018 #51
'Problem Solvers' sounds a lot like 'Oath Keepers' Bfd Nov 2018 #55
Hastert Rule - Like I Forgot PaulX2 Nov 2018 #57
It would be one thing to propose a Constitutional amendment Eric J in MN Nov 2018 #58
There's a real possibility of Pelosi becoming POTUS before 2020. greyl Nov 2018 #60
These people remind me of the NY state folks susanna Nov 2018 #61
IMO, there are congressmen and women who do DeminPennswoods Nov 2018 #63
It isn't just red states Danmel Nov 2018 #64

groundloop

(11,488 posts)
7. No such thing as 'bipartisan' at this point in time....they're dreaming
Fri Nov 23, 2018, 04:32 PM
Nov 2018

And I truly wish the media would quit giving attention to these outliers who to me seem like they just want attention.

True Blue American

(17,972 posts)
23. Since I found out
Fri Nov 23, 2018, 05:14 PM
Nov 2018

The Hill is owned by a Republican billionaire and read the many stories trying to divide Democrats I do not believe a thing they print!

 

shanny

(6,709 posts)
38. Blue Dogs. New Dems. Turd Way. No Labels. or whatever
Fri Nov 23, 2018, 06:02 PM
Nov 2018

DINOs?

Boy are these guys going against the tide.

reACTIONary

(5,749 posts)
49. It's not an insult to point out that ...
Fri Nov 23, 2018, 07:43 PM
Nov 2018

...... some political stances are not viable in some districts. UT is not NY. AOC can win in NY, but would not go over in UT.

Big tent brother, diversity!

brooklynite

(93,873 posts)
53. We are; and the pool of new House members come from more Republican districts...
Fri Nov 23, 2018, 08:22 PM
Nov 2018

...which means their view of the best Leadership might be different from yours.

 

shanny

(6,709 posts)
56. Yep I'm sure all the new women and minorities who were just elected
Fri Nov 23, 2018, 08:53 PM
Nov 2018

really, REALLY want to fall in line with the #fivewhiteguys leading the rebellion against Nancy Pelosi:

Seth Moulton MA (who got an earful from his constituents the other day) 2014
Tim Ryan OH since 2002
Ed Perlmutter CO since 2006
Kurt Schrader OR since 2008
Bill Foster IL since 2007

Not a bunch of new guys, and not from blood red states either

by all means, after this historic election, let's go back to the policies that tanked our cause the last time

https://crooksandliars.com/2018/11/five-white-guys-lead-charge-anger-women

marylandblue

(12,344 posts)
8. Pelosi's people said negotiations are continuing
Fri Nov 23, 2018, 04:33 PM
Nov 2018

So I take it there is a lot of behind the scenes activity and this is a pressure tactic to help their case.

lapfog_1

(29,166 posts)
9. tell these nine to go pound sand.
Fri Nov 23, 2018, 04:33 PM
Nov 2018

"Central to their reforms is a proposal requiring a supermajority vote — three-fifths of the House — to pass any legislation brought to the floor under a closed rule"

meaning the recently defeated asshole repukes can now effectively stop anything the Democrats want to do ( further health care reform, affordable college, tax increases, and TRUMP IMPEACHMENT! )

Yes, I know those things won't pass the senate or be signed into law by tRump... but impeachment doesn't have to be (only conviction and removal)... but we loose the chance to put the repukes on the wrong side of popular opinion on every topic by passing it in the House and pushing to the Senate for defeat.

brooklynite

(93,873 posts)
43. No, that's not what it means at all...
Fri Nov 23, 2018, 06:49 PM
Nov 2018

It means 3/5 required IF the Speaker decides on a non-standard voting process where amendments aren't allowed.

10. Biggest Blue wave in the history of midterm elections..
Fri Nov 23, 2018, 04:34 PM
Nov 2018

..won't be upset by these knuckleheads. Nancy will stuff them in a timeout box so they can sit on their collective thumbs for 2 years.
This isn't an issue

pecosbob

(7,511 posts)
12. Why does The Hill seem to continuously report on or create the appearance of Dem infighting?
Fri Nov 23, 2018, 04:36 PM
Nov 2018

Become a regular thing...

Edit* I probably should have indicated that it's a rhetorical question...I expect anything that comes from them to be spun half-truths.

marylandblue

(12,344 posts)
14. They are basically a gossip column for Washington insiders.
Fri Nov 23, 2018, 04:39 PM
Nov 2018

So this sort of story is their bread and butter.

pwb

(11,205 posts)
16. The Hill sucks and is wrong a lot.
Fri Nov 23, 2018, 04:43 PM
Nov 2018

Politico same thing. Some here seem to love the divide. No one demands from Nancy Pelosi?

brooklynite

(93,873 posts)
44. So a leadership fight shouldn't be reported on because it's depressing to Democrats?
Fri Nov 23, 2018, 06:51 PM
Nov 2018

Did you complain about the stories about the fight between Kevin McCarthy and Jim Jordan?

pecosbob

(7,511 posts)
47. It's about spin...that's all I'm saying
Fri Nov 23, 2018, 07:27 PM
Nov 2018

I think we agree that reporting and commentary are not the same.

skypilot

(8,848 posts)
13. "true bipartisan governing"
Fri Nov 23, 2018, 04:38 PM
Nov 2018

This is RepubSpeak. The republicans are the ones always going on about bipartisanship anytime the Democrats gain any power or control. I've thought for years--and a number of DUers have been saying it recently--that there are Republicans out there running as Democrats. That's what these guys sound like.

Of course, true bipartisan governing would be great and it's how it should be but with the Republican party of today I think we all know better.

brush

(53,475 posts)
22. They only speak of bipartisanship when Dems are in power. When they are it's go pound sand...
Fri Nov 23, 2018, 05:11 PM
Nov 2018

which was up until Nov. 5.

BaronChocula

(1,458 posts)
15. I have a feeling
Fri Nov 23, 2018, 04:42 PM
Nov 2018

those so-called rules changes they are supporting would make it easier for the gopper minority to roll the Dems in the "Problem-Solver" Caucus.

Mystery sage

(576 posts)
18. Yeah
Fri Nov 23, 2018, 04:54 PM
Nov 2018

These nine might be GOP people who flowed with the wave then fight it.

Of course they want the dems to obey the 3/4th instead of majority rule now that Republicans are out of control here.

angstlessk

(11,862 posts)
17. "bipartisan Problem Solvers Caucus"
Fri Nov 23, 2018, 04:44 PM
Nov 2018
bipartisan Problem Solvers Caucus

Are there repugicans in this caucus? If so who?

True Blue American

(17,972 posts)
29. Oh, no,blue dogs
Fri Nov 23, 2018, 05:23 PM
Nov 2018

Have been around for years. Joe Lieberman,anyone?

They run as Democrats because that is the only way they can win.

DeminPennswoods

(15,246 posts)
62. Ryan Costello PA-6, iirc
Sat Nov 24, 2018, 08:35 AM
Nov 2018

although he chose not to run for re-election after the new PA congressional district map was put in place.

 

Hulk

(6,699 posts)
19. Get in a big circle, and give everyone a gun...
Fri Nov 23, 2018, 04:56 PM
Nov 2018

Fine, they want some changes. Giving fox and the reich wing ammo for their propaganda machine is counterproductive. The reich wing are so busy vilifying the new voices in the Democratic House...this is frosting on the cake for them.

Quit feeding the Shitgibbon!!

jmowreader

(50,453 posts)
24. I like some of the things they've come up with.
Fri Nov 23, 2018, 05:18 PM
Nov 2018

Among them are:
Fast-tracking legislation co-sponsored by at least two-thirds of the House
A guarantee each member gets at least one markup of a bipartisan bill in a committee they serve on
At least one germane amendment from each party for structured rules

The only real problematic part of the package is the three-fifths supermajority. If they would take that off the table, I'd agree to the rest of it.

marylandblue

(12,344 posts)
33. As I understand it, the 3/5 supermajority is only for closed rules
Fri Nov 23, 2018, 05:51 PM
Nov 2018

Where a bill is voted on without allowing amendments from the floor. The Republicans used it a lot to shut down Democratic amendments to bills, but I think it is an illegitimate tactic that should not be used anyway.

jmowreader

(50,453 posts)
35. How often do bills come up on closed rules?
Fri Nov 23, 2018, 05:56 PM
Nov 2018

It might be more efficient just to say, "no more closed rules."

marylandblue

(12,344 posts)
40. At least 84 times this Congress, as of May 2018
Fri Nov 23, 2018, 06:22 PM
Nov 2018
https://www.rollcall.com/news/politics/house-republicans-break-record-for-closed-rules-in-single-congress

So many that even some Republican members were unhappy. I guess a closed rule is okay for efficiency when it's minor legislation, but when it's important legislation, what is the majority so afraid of?

Eric J in MN

(35,619 posts)
39. These things would be fine if they could apply to both Republican and Democratic
Fri Nov 23, 2018, 06:13 PM
Nov 2018

...US Houses.

But if Pelosi agrees to this, it will let Republicans and Corporate Democrats go around her.

The next Republican Speaker won't agree to it so it won't help when Republicans take back the House.

pwb

(11,205 posts)
25. What is this democrats who watch fox news?
Fri Nov 23, 2018, 05:18 PM
Nov 2018

These democrats should have their office in the wash room.

 

Wellstone ruled

(34,661 posts)
28. What a friggin laugh.
Fri Nov 23, 2018, 05:21 PM
Nov 2018

Problem solvers,cut me some slack. Met one of these so called Problem Solvers,and that person lives in a alternative world. Found that person should have joined the Rethugs and how that person go a Dem nomination is troubling.

Dino's are not going to cut it in today's screwed up National Politics.

suffragette

(12,232 posts)
32. Makes sense. Looks like it was started as offshoot of NoLabels by Huntsman and Lieberman.
Fri Nov 23, 2018, 05:44 PM
Nov 2018

Conservative Democrats are clearly feeling threatened by unprecedented numbers of Progressive Democrats being elected to Congress and are trying to alter rules to minimize their impact. Looks like the Progressive Democrats have been standing together and hanging tough against these efforts, which is good.

The Liberal Lion

(1,414 posts)
30. I'm not too worried. This is little more than posturing
Fri Nov 23, 2018, 05:29 PM
Nov 2018

It's the worst time in history for it, but it's nevertheless nothing more.

KPN

(15,587 posts)
31. Problem solving? You mean, fix the rat-fucking
Fri Nov 23, 2018, 05:35 PM
Nov 2018

of Americans by accomplishing more rat-fucking. Instead of using a euphemism, just call yourselves what you are ... Rat Fuckers!

Eric J in MN

(35,619 posts)
36. They want to team up with Republicans to pass bills for Big Business
Fri Nov 23, 2018, 05:58 PM
Nov 2018

...which Pelosi won't introduce.

That's why they want to change the rules. So Pelosi won't have to introduce such bills for them to get a vote.

Rural_Progressive

(1,105 posts)
41. I swear everyime something like this happens
Fri Nov 23, 2018, 06:23 PM
Nov 2018

I'm reminded of one of Will Rogers' best quotes:

"I am not a member of any organized political party. I am a Democrat."

OKNancy

(41,832 posts)
48. Democrats on the Caucus are
Fri Nov 23, 2018, 07:31 PM
Nov 2018

Josh Gottheimer (N.J.)
Jim Costa (CA)
Tom O'Halleran (AZ)
Kurt Schrader (OR.)
Tom Suozzi (NY)
Daniel Lipinski (Ill.)
Stephanie Murphy (Fl)
Vicente González (TX)
Darren Soto (Fl)

--- It's supposedly split between Republicans and Democrats

Article by Charles Pierce ( love him) https://www.esquire.com/news-politics/politics/a25135465/nancy-pelosi-speaker-race-problem-solvers-caucus/

---The "Problem Solvers Caucus" has never solved a single problem. Sit down.---

thucythucy

(7,986 posts)
51. Fuck "bipartisanship"
Fri Nov 23, 2018, 07:59 PM
Nov 2018

We're trying to save our democracy from a band of ruthless authoritarian thugs and traitors.

It's up to Republicans to join us in this struggle, not for us to "reach across the aisle" to people who evidently don't give a shit about equal rights and equal protection under the law.

I'll say it again, just to be absolutely clear--"Fuck bipartisanship."

 

PaulX2

(2,032 posts)
57. Hastert Rule - Like I Forgot
Fri Nov 23, 2018, 10:03 PM
Nov 2018

Instead put out good legislation and give Republicans a chance to help and make amendments.

Eric J in MN

(35,619 posts)
58. It would be one thing to propose a Constitutional amendment
Fri Nov 23, 2018, 11:13 PM
Nov 2018

...which lets bills come to the floor no matter which party controls the House.

That’s not what this is.

This is a plan for rules to empower Republicans now which won’t exist years from now to empower Democratis when Republicans take back the House.

greyl

(22,990 posts)
60. There's a real possibility of Pelosi becoming POTUS before 2020.
Sat Nov 24, 2018, 01:21 AM
Nov 2018

Republicans would rather not have someone so strong and qualified in that position.

susanna

(5,231 posts)
61. These people remind me of the NY state folks
Sat Nov 24, 2018, 02:27 AM
Nov 2018

who caucused with Republicans for years...anyone else?

It's a hard pass for me.

DeminPennswoods

(15,246 posts)
63. IMO, there are congressmen and women who do
Sat Nov 24, 2018, 08:43 AM
Nov 2018

run for office because of good intentions for goverment policy. The GOP put in rules where getting a bipartisan bill or amendment to the floor for a vote was impossible. The only recourse was essentially a discharge petition.

Of course you can't have unlimited amendments, but, personally, I think it's better to let the minority have a voice otherwise it creates a bigger backlash than shutting them out.

Danmel

(4,892 posts)
64. It isn't just red states
Sat Nov 24, 2018, 08:58 AM
Nov 2018

My congressman is on that list. Tom Suozzi, from Long island. Votes with Trump most of the time, won't commit to single payer, is a complete non entity. Had to hold my nose for that one but there clearly was no choice.

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