Problem Solvers Dems: We 'cannot support' Pelosi for Speaker 'at this time'
Source: The Hill
BY MELANIE ZANONA - 11/23/18 12:35 PM EST
A band of Democrats who are demanding House rule reforms have yet to reach a deal with Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.), the group announced Friday, putting up a potential roadblock in Pelosis quest to reclaim the Speakers gavel.
Nine Democrats on the bipartisan Problem Solvers Caucus have vowed to withhold their votes for Speaker unless the candidate agrees to overhaul the House rules. Pelosi, who has been open to such changes, met with the group last week and promised to put in writing the changes to which she would commit.
But the Democrats say they have yet to receive any specific commitments, calling the situation a stalemate. They had initially requested a response by last Friday but agreed to give the California Democrat a few more days.
While we appreciate Leader Pelosis broad commitment to our effort, we have yet to receive specific commitments to our proposed rules changes that would help Break the Gridlock and allow for true bipartisan governing in this new era of divided government, the Democrats said in a statement provided to The Hill.
Read more: https://thehill.com/homenews/house/418031-problem-solvers-dems-we-cannot-support-pelosi-for-speaker-at-this-time
Wintryjade
(814 posts)marylandblue
(12,344 posts)Only one member in common.
Wintryjade
(814 posts)no_hypocrisy
(45,774 posts)RKP5637
(67,032 posts)msongs
(67,198 posts)groundloop
(11,488 posts)And I truly wish the media would quit giving attention to these outliers who to me seem like they just want attention.
True Blue American
(17,972 posts)The Hill is owned by a Republican billionaire and read the many stories trying to divide Democrats I do not believe a thing they print!
Power 2 the People
(2,437 posts)shanny
(6,709 posts)DINOs?
Boy are these guys going against the tide.
brooklynite
(93,873 posts)zentrum
(9,865 posts)...to bring Bernie into this and insult him no matter how big a stretch.
brooklynite
(93,873 posts)reACTIONary
(5,749 posts)reACTIONary
(5,749 posts)...... some political stances are not viable in some districts. UT is not NY. AOC can win in NY, but would not go over in UT.
Big tent brother, diversity!
shanny
(6,709 posts)brooklynite
(93,873 posts)...which means their view of the best Leadership might be different from yours.
shanny
(6,709 posts)really, REALLY want to fall in line with the #fivewhiteguys leading the rebellion against Nancy Pelosi:
Seth Moulton MA (who got an earful from his constituents the other day) 2014
Tim Ryan OH since 2002
Ed Perlmutter CO since 2006
Kurt Schrader OR since 2008
Bill Foster IL since 2007
Not a bunch of new guys, and not from blood red states either
by all means, after this historic election, let's go back to the policies that tanked our cause the last time
https://crooksandliars.com/2018/11/five-white-guys-lead-charge-anger-women
lilactime
(657 posts)marylandblue
(12,344 posts)So I take it there is a lot of behind the scenes activity and this is a pressure tactic to help their case.
lapfog_1
(29,166 posts)"Central to their reforms is a proposal requiring a supermajority vote three-fifths of the House to pass any legislation brought to the floor under a closed rule"
meaning the recently defeated asshole repukes can now effectively stop anything the Democrats want to do ( further health care reform, affordable college, tax increases, and TRUMP IMPEACHMENT! )
Yes, I know those things won't pass the senate or be signed into law by tRump... but impeachment doesn't have to be (only conviction and removal)... but we loose the chance to put the repukes on the wrong side of popular opinion on every topic by passing it in the House and pushing to the Senate for defeat.
brooklynite
(93,873 posts)It means 3/5 required IF the Speaker decides on a non-standard voting process where amendments aren't allowed.
PerceptionManagement
(461 posts)..won't be upset by these knuckleheads. Nancy will stuff them in a timeout box so they can sit on their collective thumbs for 2 years.
This isn't an issue
pecosbob
(7,511 posts)Become a regular thing...
Edit* I probably should have indicated that it's a rhetorical question...I expect anything that comes from them to be spun half-truths.
marylandblue
(12,344 posts)So this sort of story is their bread and butter.
still_one
(91,965 posts)tonekat
(1,805 posts)...the stenographer for the GOP.
pwb
(11,205 posts)Politico same thing. Some here seem to love the divide. No one demands from Nancy Pelosi?
True Blue American
(17,972 posts)brooklynite
(93,873 posts)Did you complain about the stories about the fight between Kevin McCarthy and Jim Jordan?
pecosbob
(7,511 posts)I think we agree that reporting and commentary are not the same.
skypilot
(8,848 posts)This is RepubSpeak. The republicans are the ones always going on about bipartisanship anytime the Democrats gain any power or control. I've thought for years--and a number of DUers have been saying it recently--that there are Republicans out there running as Democrats. That's what these guys sound like.
Of course, true bipartisan governing would be great and it's how it should be but with the Republican party of today I think we all know better.
brush
(53,475 posts)which was up until Nov. 5.
BaronChocula
(1,458 posts)those so-called rules changes they are supporting would make it easier for the gopper minority to roll the Dems in the "Problem-Solver" Caucus.
Mystery sage
(576 posts)These nine might be GOP people who flowed with the wave then fight it.
Of course they want the dems to obey the 3/4th instead of majority rule now that Republicans are out of control here.
rurallib
(62,346 posts)angstlessk
(11,862 posts)Are there repugicans in this caucus? If so who?
True Blue American
(17,972 posts)Have been around for years. Joe Lieberman,anyone?
They run as Democrats because that is the only way they can win.
DeminPennswoods
(15,246 posts)although he chose not to run for re-election after the new PA congressional district map was put in place.
Hulk
(6,699 posts)Fine, they want some changes. Giving fox and the reich wing ammo for their propaganda machine is counterproductive. The reich wing are so busy vilifying the new voices in the Democratic House...this is frosting on the cake for them.
Quit feeding the Shitgibbon!!
jmowreader
(50,453 posts)Among them are:
Fast-tracking legislation co-sponsored by at least two-thirds of the House
A guarantee each member gets at least one markup of a bipartisan bill in a committee they serve on
At least one germane amendment from each party for structured rules
The only real problematic part of the package is the three-fifths supermajority. If they would take that off the table, I'd agree to the rest of it.
marylandblue
(12,344 posts)Where a bill is voted on without allowing amendments from the floor. The Republicans used it a lot to shut down Democratic amendments to bills, but I think it is an illegitimate tactic that should not be used anyway.
jmowreader
(50,453 posts)It might be more efficient just to say, "no more closed rules."
marylandblue
(12,344 posts)So many that even some Republican members were unhappy. I guess a closed rule is okay for efficiency when it's minor legislation, but when it's important legislation, what is the majority so afraid of?
Eric J in MN
(35,619 posts)...US Houses.
But if Pelosi agrees to this, it will let Republicans and Corporate Democrats go around her.
The next Republican Speaker won't agree to it so it won't help when Republicans take back the House.
pwb
(11,205 posts)These democrats should have their office in the wash room.
Wellstone ruled
(34,661 posts)Problem solvers,cut me some slack. Met one of these so called Problem Solvers,and that person lives in a alternative world. Found that person should have joined the Rethugs and how that person go a Dem nomination is troubling.
Dino's are not going to cut it in today's screwed up National Politics.
suffragette
(12,232 posts)Conservative Democrats are clearly feeling threatened by unprecedented numbers of Progressive Democrats being elected to Congress and are trying to alter rules to minimize their impact. Looks like the Progressive Democrats have been standing together and hanging tough against these efforts, which is good.
The Liberal Lion
(1,414 posts)It's the worst time in history for it, but it's nevertheless nothing more.
KPN
(15,587 posts)of Americans by accomplishing more rat-fucking. Instead of using a euphemism, just call yourselves what you are ... Rat Fuckers!
Historic NY
(37,449 posts)Eric J in MN
(35,619 posts)...which Pelosi won't introduce.
That's why they want to change the rules. So Pelosi won't have to introduce such bills for them to get a vote.
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)Rural_Progressive
(1,105 posts)I'm reminded of one of Will Rogers' best quotes:
"I am not a member of any organized political party. I am a Democrat."
OKNancy
(41,832 posts)Josh Gottheimer (N.J.)
Jim Costa (CA)
Tom O'Halleran (AZ)
Kurt Schrader (OR.)
Tom Suozzi (NY)
Daniel Lipinski (Ill.)
Stephanie Murphy (Fl)
Vicente González (TX)
Darren Soto (Fl)
--- It's supposedly split between Republicans and Democrats
Article by Charles Pierce ( love him) https://www.esquire.com/news-politics/politics/a25135465/nancy-pelosi-speaker-race-problem-solvers-caucus/
---The "Problem Solvers Caucus" has never solved a single problem. Sit down.---
thucythucy
(7,986 posts)We're trying to save our democracy from a band of ruthless authoritarian thugs and traitors.
It's up to Republicans to join us in this struggle, not for us to "reach across the aisle" to people who evidently don't give a shit about equal rights and equal protection under the law.
I'll say it again, just to be absolutely clear--"Fuck bipartisanship."
Bfd
(1,406 posts)Creepy cults
PaulX2
(2,032 posts)Instead put out good legislation and give Republicans a chance to help and make amendments.
Eric J in MN
(35,619 posts)...which lets bills come to the floor no matter which party controls the House.
Thats not what this is.
This is a plan for rules to empower Republicans now which wont exist years from now to empower Democratis when Republicans take back the House.
greyl
(22,990 posts)Republicans would rather not have someone so strong and qualified in that position.
susanna
(5,231 posts)who caucused with Republicans for years...anyone else?
It's a hard pass for me.
DeminPennswoods
(15,246 posts)run for office because of good intentions for goverment policy. The GOP put in rules where getting a bipartisan bill or amendment to the floor for a vote was impossible. The only recourse was essentially a discharge petition.
Of course you can't have unlimited amendments, but, personally, I think it's better to let the minority have a voice otherwise it creates a bigger backlash than shutting them out.
Danmel
(4,892 posts)My congressman is on that list. Tom Suozzi, from Long island. Votes with Trump most of the time, won't commit to single payer, is a complete non entity. Had to hold my nose for that one but there clearly was no choice.