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Mon Dec 17, 2018, 01:00 PM

Report: Russian troll farm included pro-Jill Stein messaging on social media

Source: CNN

Washington (CNN)A report prepared for the Senate Intelligence Committee said Russian social media efforts to meddle in the 2016 presidential election included messaging in support of the Green Party 2016 presidential nominee Jill Stein.

CNN obtained the report, prepared by New Knowledge, which said the Russian government-linked Internet Research Agency -- a well-known troll farm -- utilized all major social media platforms, and its efforts online included messaging in support of Stein's third party presidential effort.
CNN has reached out to Stein for comment on the report.

The mentions of Stein online came alongside related and disparate messages noted throughout the report, which said the Internet Research Agency's themes ranged from support for Vermont independent Sen. Bernie Sanders and the Black Lives Matter movement to the Tea Party and gun rights.

A summation of the report's findings on "comprehensive anti-Hillary Clinton operations" said while the group's assumed Twitter personas had some pro-Clinton content, "the developed Left-wing Twitter personas were still largely anti-Clinton and expressed pro-Bernie Sanders and pro-Jill Stein sentiments."

Read more: https://www.cnn.com/2018/12/17/politics/jill-stein-senate-intelligence/index.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+rss%2Fcnn_latest+%28RSS%3A+CNN+-+Most+Recent%29



Many here on DU knew as I did at the time that there was something rotten in Denmark with respect to the Jill Stein situation. I do not think the entire campaign was a scam but the Russians certainly saw it as a way to help them win in the end by hurting HRC.

Maybe that dinner in Moscow w Putin and Mike Flynn was what it appeared to be.

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BadGimp Dec 2018 OP
DetlefK Dec 2018 #1
ChiTownDenny Dec 2018 #6
erronis Dec 2018 #20
ChiTownDenny Dec 2018 #22
Igel Dec 2018 #47
qazplm135 Dec 2018 #52
dalton99a Dec 2018 #2
watoos Dec 2018 #3
Power 2 the People Dec 2018 #4
louis c Dec 2018 #5
groundloop Dec 2018 #7
watoos Dec 2018 #8
LakeArenal Dec 2018 #12
MiddleClass Dec 2018 #28
LiberalLovinLug Dec 2018 #13
Post removed Dec 2018 #14
progree Dec 2018 #18
marble falls Dec 2018 #23
progree Dec 2018 #36
marble falls Dec 2018 #44
louis c Dec 2018 #19
LiberalLovinLug Dec 2018 #34
louis c Dec 2018 #38
Cha Dec 2018 #42
LiberalLovinLug Dec 2018 #49
louis c Dec 2018 #55
LiberalLovinLug Dec 2018 #56
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marble falls Dec 2018 #45
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louis c Dec 2018 #21
MiddleClass Dec 2018 #32
LiberalLovinLug Dec 2018 #33
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Response to BadGimp (Original post)

Mon Dec 17, 2018, 01:04 PM

1. Putin's goal was not for Trump to win.

The goal was to paralyze the administration of President Hillary Clinton with toxic partisan infighting.

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Response to DetlefK (Reply #1)

Mon Dec 17, 2018, 01:19 PM

6. LOL!

Putin had no idea what he was directing his apparatus to accomplish. And the Trump Tower meeting was about adoptions...that Putin had no knowledge of.

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Response to ChiTownDenny (Reply #6)

Mon Dec 17, 2018, 03:54 PM

20. Shirley you're jesting.....

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Response to erronis (Reply #20)

Mon Dec 17, 2018, 04:28 PM

22. Yes.

Sarcasm.

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Response to ChiTownDenny (Reply #6)

Wed Dec 19, 2018, 08:19 AM

47. The intelligence assessment stay remains accurate.

The Russians were meddling when Trump was at 5% for (R) votes in the early primaries. They were meddling against HRC. Not for Trump.

We've back-dated our thinking, and that's always a bad thing to do if history is about understanding why events happened as they did and looking for causality and motives at the time. It's a fine and glorious thing if the goal of history is commentary on the present, with an eye to making sure people understand why the One True Thinking is really the only one that's true.

If the goal of Putin was to elect Trump, then you have to wonder why, exactly, early on things weren't pro-Trump. Early on they were anti-HRC. And whenever any (R) seemed to be in good shape, anti that particular (R). The goal was chaos. The goal was weakening. And to some extent, the goal was personal against HRC.

Trump support came later. It was there, but the recent report that backdates everything anti-HRC and sees things in stark binary terms, "If you're against HRC it means you were for Trump" doesn't work here any more than it would in saying that the opposition in the '90s to HRC was by Trump supporters trying to get him elected. It's closer in time, to be sure, but scarcely more connected. But now, even anti-(R) support early on, since it helped ding some conservatives, has been re-analyzed as being pro-Trump. Even if there was, actually, nothing pro-Trump at the time. That may have been the effect, but it was hardly the goal at the time. (How do we know? Because if you're pro-Trump, you should actually say something nice about him, right? It's the same kind of flaccid argument made by some about people who only criticize the US: "If you only criticize the US, then obviously you're pro-China." Arguments from silence haven't gained any more credibility in the last few years than they had in the previous 2000.)

(The recent report also had a goal: What was the actions that helped Trump. If an action didn't help Trump, it's not pertinent. That makes it strong fodder for the availability heuristic bias.)

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Response to Igel (Reply #47)

Wed Dec 19, 2018, 05:23 PM

52. goals change with circumstances

if my initial goal is to one a 3K, and then I do it and go, boy that was easy...I might raise my goal to a 5K and eventually possible a marathon.

They may have had one goal when Trump was at 5% and quite another one when he was the de facto nominee and then the actual nominee.

So yeah, the goal early on may have simply been to hurt HRC. (Although ultimately the only way you really hurt her is if she's not elected President--thus, arguably the true goal was to get the Republican nominee to win, whomever that was).

But once it became clear that a guy they already had compromised and dealt with was going to be the nominee, it was a gift horse stuffed inside a golden calf with the goose that laid the golden egg holding the reins.

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Response to BadGimp (Original post)

Mon Dec 17, 2018, 01:04 PM

2. Kick

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Response to BadGimp (Original post)

Mon Dec 17, 2018, 01:08 PM

3. It wasn't just pro Stein,

 

Russians started the Bernie Bros. too. They did anything anti-Hillary.

Hopefully we will learn from the massive propaganda that Russia put out on social media.

There are still people on my local web site who believe that Hillary and Podesta ran a child sex ring from the basement of that pizza joint that didn't have a basement.

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Response to watoos (Reply #3)

Mon Dec 17, 2018, 01:13 PM

4. +1

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Response to watoos (Reply #3)

Mon Dec 17, 2018, 01:16 PM

5. Stein was an active participant, Bernie wasn't

 

Jill Stein is as much of a traitor as Trump, Flynn and Manafort.

She will be shown to be far more involved in this conspiracy than anyone thinks when Mueller's final report comes out.

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Response to louis c (Reply #5)

Mon Dec 17, 2018, 01:30 PM

7. Yes... only reason Putin helped Bernie was because his name wasn't Hillary

As I see it Putin was positioned to win no matter what the outcome of the election. Best case (for Putin, not the US) was that Tiny would win the election, lift sanctions and unfreeze assets. Short of that they'd sow discontent which would fragment the US and put Russia in better standing around the globe. While Putin may not have all of his assets back yet Tiny sure the hell has created a mess.

If the right wing would step back and actually think about this they'd be asking themselves 'Why was Putin so afraid of Hillary moving into the White House?'.

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Response to louis c (Reply #5)

Mon Dec 17, 2018, 01:51 PM

8. You may be right, and it certainly looks that way,

 

but all I hear about Stein's collusion is crickets. If she were involved we should have heard something by now. Are the FBI and or Mueller giving her a pass?

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Response to watoos (Reply #8)

Mon Dec 17, 2018, 02:34 PM

12. I think the powers know. There was this..

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Response to watoos (Reply #8)

Tue Dec 18, 2018, 03:23 PM

28. Useful! Idiot Maybe?

30,000 useful idiots in the Midwest carried out their mission unwittingly.

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Response to louis c (Reply #5)

Mon Dec 17, 2018, 02:36 PM

13. BS

Why not throw in Bernie Sanders and the BLM movement too then?

How does that sound? "Black Lives Matter was as much of a traitor as Trump, Flynn and Manafort"

Don't you think that the less complicated explanation is probably the most probable? That Putin simply wanted to create chaos, and worked to "help" any other party or person that would take votes away from the Democrats and Hillary, or to sow division between those groups?

Because the anti-Stein sentiment in here is so shrill at times I gotta wear ear plugs. Its embarrassing actually. And further it is proof of how easy it was and still is for Putin to shape opinion even on the supposedly more educated left.

I can understand some grumbling about the 1% of the vote she scooped up, voters who mostly would not vote for either major party anyways, but I wish some would find reality soon. Its a free democracy. One of the "costs" of living in a free democracy, is that anyone and any party can run for office, if they have raised enough, and have enough candidates that believe in the message, to run.

If Stein and the Green Party, a party that is respected around the globe for standing up for the environment and other more liberal causes, sees there are still issues that they think the Democratic, or Republican party for that matter, are not addressing satisfactorly for them, and think there are enough voters that will at least help elevate their platform, even if they know they can't win, then that is their right.

I know we'd rather they not run. But then again, I'm sure the Republican party wishes that the Libertarian party didn't run either. Pretty safe to say that most Libertarians would lean Republican if they had to choose. And they took 3x the votes away potentially from Republicans! But its a democracy people. The way to fight back the Greens is to address the same issues...better. Or convince enough that your party can do it better. WHICH DEMOCRATS HAVE DONE! That's why Greens only get 1%.

The idea that Stein is some kind of secret Putin lover, a man that is fundamentally against every principle and platform of the Green party is utterly absurd. And I think that those that promote that insane theory are only hurting themselves and demeaning the Democratic voter. Dem voters aren't stupid. The vast majority would say that the Green's have a good platform, much of which mirrors the Democrats, but that this is not the time to help a more left leaning third party to rise and grow legs, because of the massive threat on the right that has to be stopped. That is reality.

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Mon Dec 17, 2018, 03:29 PM

18. ..

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Response to progree (Reply #18)

Mon Dec 17, 2018, 05:42 PM

23. Good call!

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Response to marble falls (Reply #23)

Tue Dec 18, 2018, 08:18 PM

36. Thanks

He was FFR'd. Now I see he got "promoted" to full-blown PPR status. Lasted a total of 2 posts.

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Response to progree (Reply #36)

Wed Dec 19, 2018, 07:55 AM

44. He was being watched every inch of the way.

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Response to LiberalLovinLug (Reply #13)

Mon Dec 17, 2018, 03:44 PM

19. No black lives matter members were at the dinner with Putin and Flynn

 

There were a lot of head fakes to ingratiate the Russians, posing as Americans, to make natural Hillary supporters turn off and stay home on election day. Those groups and individuals were not active participants and were used to give cover to the Russians. There was no contact between them.

Jill Stein, on the other hand, traveled to Russia and is pictured with the co-conspirators in the treasonous plot.

there were many unintentional, duped individuals who fell for (or are still falling for) this Russian misinformation plot.

Jill Stein, on the other hand, has been interviewed by Mueller. We'll see how much she knew and how much she conspired.

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Response to louis c (Reply #19)

Tue Dec 18, 2018, 05:06 PM

34. la la land

There were no interpreters at that dinner. She didn't even speak to any Russians. It was an invitation by RT who also hosted many liberal hosts that are respected here on DU. She was the head of the Green Party. As any politician, any exposure and publicity is sought out, not avoided. And this was way before Putin was known to be interfering in elections. Just a picture sitting at a table is not even enough I'd think to invent such a dire conspiracy theory, but you proved me wrong.

I think this Green party demonization is part of Putin's plan to split the left. Sow division in liberal circles. We don't have to vote Green, we don't have to like Stein even. The best way is to simply ignore the Green party. Stop taliking about them. They are a minuscule threat to the Democratic party.

That link you provided. It looks like a Republican operative cleverly fooled Green party officials in that district to run as a Green. But if you look at the article...

Local Democrats and Green Party members quickly linked the relationship between Kostecky and Zak back to Collins, seeing Zak’s candidacy as nothing more than an attempt to divert votes away from Collins’ Democratic opponent, Nate McMurray. The Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee identified Collins’ seat as one ripe for flipping blue in the upcoming midterm elections, which would be more than enough motive for the GOP to employ such subversive tactics. “I have a hard time believing that someone in [Collins’] campaign wasn’t aware of this,” said Erie County Green Party chairman Eric Jones, adding, “The local Republican leadership is aware of this; it’s part of their playbook.”

The Greens worked with Democrats to unearth this imposter. One case. And it was dealt with. It could have happened to any party.

I just think way too much energy is being spent on a party who got 1% of the vote. Just like Republicans don't get bent out of shape because the Libertarians take 3%.......three times the votes away from them, compared to the Greens potential Democratic voters. And inventing crazy CTs about them only elevates their profile. There is a difference between a "competitor" and an "enemy". The Greens are the former, Trump and the GOP are the latter. It does our party and the nation no favors by confusing the two.

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Response to LiberalLovinLug (Reply #34)

Wed Dec 19, 2018, 01:02 AM

38. With all due respect...

 

...reading your posts defending Jill Stein reminds me of watching Sarah Huckabee Sanders defending Donald Trump.

Please stop, you're embarrassing yourself.

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Response to louis c (Reply #38)

Wed Dec 19, 2018, 03:46 AM

42. Thank You!

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Response to louis c (Reply #38)

Wed Dec 19, 2018, 04:07 PM

49. Oh, and here I was trying to prevent you from embarrasing yourself

So I'm SHS and Stein is Trump? Sure whatever you say.

Its more like a school election where the bully decided he wanted to be President, so he cheated. Dougie left ugly rumours scrawled in the washrooms, targeted the other candidates with fake accusations on social media. Especially Sally who he was running neck and neck with. Even used his connections with some of the school staff who traveled in the same circles as his family, to limit voting and discard voters for the other candidates for frivolous reasons. Then he also made use of the bully in the next county, who said he'd help him, because then they could work together to help steal lunch money from other schools. So the other bully got his subordinates to also use social media attacks on Sally.

So with all that going for him. Dougie 'won' with help from an archaic "electoral" voting system put in place by previous staff, even though Sally actually got 30 more votes.

Now before the elections, a couple of more independent students, tree huggers, decided that even though they agreed with Sally that the bully was bad and had to go, and though they agreed with almost everything Sally stood for, they also thought in their opinion, that Sally wasn't going far enough on those issues, and that she also had ties to some of the staff they were uncomfortable with. So maybe they were naive, but they put up their own candidate, Janet. Who subsequently got her butt kicked with only 1% of the student votes.

So after the election, a few of Sally's friends walk right past the bully sneering at them and walk to the back of the cafeteria to the table with Janet and her two friends who dared to also run in the election. It didn't matter that they only got 1%. It didn't matter they all shared much of the same concerns for their fellow students, and the school yard, they were mad and wanted an easy target to feel better. so they walk over, surround the table and tip over their trays, and start shouting at them and accusing them of working with the bully! Because one time somewhere, they saw Janet sitting at the same table as Dougie. And so that PROVES it!

Spending all their time and energy picking on Janet, for daring to "steal" some of the attention and a couple of votes away from Sally, instead of sitting back at their own table and working on a plan to get rid of the real threat, Dougie, who just sits back at his table laughing at it and how well his bully pall Puddie has helped cause this rift. I think that is not only counter productive, but quite embarrassing too. What good does it do? surrounding her and teasing and insulting her and making up stories about how she's secretly is in love with Dougie. ha ha ha. So much fun. Except we are supposed to be adults.

I'm not defending Stein as a person, mostly because I don't know her. But yes, I defend her and the Greens the right to run for election in a democracy. And that coming out ahead of them, in a free democracy, is a matter of convincing voters that we can do it better. Not to turn into a bunch of fake news bullies ourselves.

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Response to LiberalLovinLug (Reply #49)

Wed Dec 19, 2018, 06:50 PM

55. Ya, I noticed a lot of DUers just jumping at the chance of supporting your position

 

Stein went to Russia and sat at Putin's table with an American Traitor, Michael Flynn. I'm sure Flynn doesn't speak Russian either.

By the way, the person sitting right next to that piece of shit, Jill Stein, speaks fluent Russian and English. That's Putin's right hand man sitting right next to a Co-Conspirator who you defend.

You can't explain that away without sounding like Sarah.

This is my last reply to you, as I will add you to my ignore list to avoid your bullshit. I have been here at DU since 2004 and have blocked only one other person in 15 years. You're the second. I come to DU to exchange ideas with fellow Democrats, not advocates for third party spoilers.

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Response to louis c (Reply #55)

Wed Dec 19, 2018, 07:13 PM

56. You come to DU to "exchange ideas"? and then proceed to block someone who exchanges different ideas

okay.

If you can still see me, I have never blocked anyone. And I never will. It is counter to everything valuable about a message board. I trust the mods to remove any racist, sexist, or pro-Republican posts. So we can concentrate on actual debating ideas. I can handle rough language, or insults. Personally I don't care if I get called names. Its childish but I can live with it. Because if we run and hide from any posts that make us feel too uncomfortable to answer, or feel embarrassed to answer, then maybe we should rethink our positions a little more.

To be clear once again, I am not defending (or attacking) Jill Stein and the Green party. I am only defending democracy. And saying that exchange of real ideas instead of manufactured insults is what works best. But I guess you've cut yourself off voluntarily from exchanging ideas with me at least. Shame.

see ya

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Response to LiberalLovinLug (Reply #49)

Wed Dec 19, 2018, 09:06 PM

60. By defending the Lying Ratfucker, 3rd party jill stein, you

should be more concerned about "embarrassing"yourself than anyone else.

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Response to LiberalLovinLug (Reply #34)

Wed Dec 19, 2018, 08:05 AM

45. Flynn doesn't speak Russian, Don Jr doesn't speak Russian. RT is not respected by anyone on DU ...

nd all those respected liberals have ALL left RT. Try using RT as a link here.

Got to admit your "Jill Stein doesn't speak Russian" is one of the funniest things I've heard in a while. I bet she doesn't speak Esperanza, either. Speaking or not speaking Russian is basically non sequitur in your argument.

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Response to marble falls (Reply #45)

Wed Dec 19, 2018, 05:09 PM

50. Well I didn't say "Jill Stein doesn't speak Russian", although I fail to see the humor.

I said, she didn't speak TO the Russians. There were no interpreters provided. Is that funny too?

And at the time, which is important, RT was hosting more than one respectable liberal host. Thom Hartmann, Ed Shultz, among others. With regular guests like Ed Asner. Even old Larry King had his own show! I have a hard time believing he was working for Putin. Obviously Putin gave them free reign to cause a disturbance against corporate America, speaking truth to American power, even while at the same time Putin was helping the corporate friendly GOP. Pitting sides was Putin's specialty. Should say Hartmann NOT accept the air time if no one else will give it to him? Even if the message will then never get out? An interesting delima meant for another thread.

But all of that is a red herring. This running around spending time inventing fake news stories about a person that shares much of my and the Democratic party's principles is odd to hear. That we attack those that are closest seemingly much harder than the real foe, those that share the opposite views. Honey works better than vinegar IMO. It seems like luring Green voters over, those who share most of the same concerns about the planet, is smarter than insulting them with ludicrous conspiracy theories, which I think, and Putin too I'd imagine, would further liberal voices infighting.

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Response to LiberalLovinLug (Reply #13)

Mon Dec 17, 2018, 03:59 PM

21. Oh, and by the way, the Green Party has accomplished only 2 things in America...

 

...they gave us George Bush and Donald Trump. If you think they've done more than that, then that's bullshit.

Thanks a lot.

and then there's this:
https://www.pastemagazine.com/articles/2018/04/fake-green-party-congressional-candidates-link-to.html

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Response to LiberalLovinLug (Reply #13)

Tue Dec 18, 2018, 03:55 PM

32. while I think your comments are spot on, miniimizing the success of Russia's action

was the difference with Hillary winning and losing in Pennsylvania, Michigan, Wisconsin is wrong to minimize, but her and her supporters were bamboozled, but the 2% and 3% were enough to lower the vote total to allow the devil to get close enough to steal it with the electoral college (which I understand why is there)

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Response to MiddleClass (Reply #32)

Tue Dec 18, 2018, 04:41 PM

33. My intent was not to minimize the success of Russia's actions

Not sure where you got that impression. In fact I think it was a huge factor. Without it we would have clearly won.

And Putin targeted everyone. Well everyone other than Trump. I just find it almost laughable these posts like the ones above by louis c. Not everyone who is used by Putin's and the home grown deplorable troll farms is guilty of participating in being used. Anyone can join a pro-Stein, or pro-Bernie, or pro-Trump web site and leave poisonous comments, or post disgusting memes. And when you take that fact and add it to the international reputation of the Green Party, and even Jill Stein's reputation with her early work fighting coal mining, children's health, and part of Physicians for Social Responsibility. I'm not trying to pump Stein's tires here, but only pointing out that it would take an incredible psychotic about face for someone with her background to suddenly decide she would only pretend to care about those issues and deliberately and secretly work with one of the most corrupt, right wing authoritarian, anti-liberal, anti-green asshole alive in Putin.

I just think we have to start with a base of reality. And while I understand not voting Green, or helping them, I am somewhat uncomfortable inventing conspiracy theories that paint another liberal environmentalist party as evil. Most all of any Green party supporters want practically everything we want. They just, for whatever reason, have become disillusioned with either the Democratic Party, or just the whole Washington establishment. So these are not evil people, nor is Stein herself. The humane way to steer votes back towards the Democratic party is have a nominee and a platform, that most of them will vote for. Honey works better than vinegar.

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Response to LiberalLovinLug (Reply #33)

Tue Dec 18, 2018, 05:29 PM

35. sorry, I first wrote this statement as Jill Stein's success,

but that didn't portray what I was trying to say Which is

you're right, I do not think Jill Stein actively work with Russian intelligence, I think Russian intelligence manipulated the divisions in America, and just emphasized them a lot more while pretending to be regular supporters. Kind of like the boy in the schoolyard egging you to teach the other boy a lesson because he's manipulating the situation like a sneaky bastard coward.

Wisconsin, Michigan, Pennsylvania, the Green party votes added to the reduction in the black and Arab vote was probably a total of 7% to 10% of the vote, which did in this instance was enough to steal those states.

I'm all for people voting their conscience, I'm not for self-righteous people being manipulated to vote (not saying you, generally) a certain way because the super predator comment taking out of context. I lived in New York City in the eighties. And yes, crack addicts were super predators, be they African-American, white, Hispanic, Indian, Caribbean. New York City in the early eighties, someone would Rob your eye out of your head if you didn't blink.

I lost one automobile, rack stereo system, 5 car radios, 3 Mustang convertible, torn roofs looking for something they could sell for a fix. The radio was not gone, but it was all damaged by the screwdriver that tried to remove it.

That's what Hillary was calling super predators /sorry, rant over.

EDIT: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016_United_States_presidential_election_in_Michigan

Trump wins 47.50– 47.23 green party 1.07 , that's a margin that made the difference in this election, add in the other variables. That's also responsible. But 1% was greater than the margin. Shall I check Pennsylvania + Wisconsin? I could be wrong

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Response to watoos (Reply #3)

Mon Dec 17, 2018, 02:00 PM

9. NYT reporting Russians targeted African Americans

I thought the anti-Bernie brigade was a bit too coordinated in terms of it's messaging to Black people, specifically. They threw in everything from racist Bernie Bros to anti-semitism to exploit old tensions.
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/12/17/us/politics/russia-2016-influence-campaign.html

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Response to noiretextatique (Reply #9)

Mon Dec 17, 2018, 03:11 PM

17. Heck, David Brock did as much divisive damage than any Russians could dream up.

That dude shouldn’t be anywhere near Democratic political campaigns. But there you have it.

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Response to Hassin Bin Sober (Reply #17)

Wed Dec 19, 2018, 01:58 AM

40. Why wouldn't you want people to correct the record and debunk Russian propaganda about the

Democratic nominee for president? Why would wanting the Democrat to win be divisive?

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Response to Hassin Bin Sober (Reply #17)

Wed Dec 19, 2018, 03:50 AM

43. you're WRONG. David Brock and Media Matters

do an excellent job of exposing propaganda.

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Response to Cha (Reply #43)

Wed Dec 19, 2018, 02:26 PM

48. Yeah, that's why David Brock felt compelled to apologize for his shitty behavior.

Or is that propaganda

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Response to Hassin Bin Sober (Reply #48)

Wed Dec 19, 2018, 06:01 PM

54. That's over and done with a long time ago.. he & MediaMatters have more than

made up for that shite.

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Response to Cha (Reply #54)

Wed Dec 19, 2018, 07:27 PM

57. Lol. Every subject in this thread is over and done with

But not for some people...

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Response to Hassin Bin Sober (Reply #57)

Wed Dec 19, 2018, 07:30 PM

58. jill stein is still the fucking idiot

she always was.. and she'll fucking ratfuck again. She hasn't fucking apologized for her LIES.. just digging a bigger fucking HOLE.

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Response to Cha (Reply #58)

Wed Dec 19, 2018, 08:16 PM

59. .

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Response to noiretextatique (Reply #9)

Tue Dec 18, 2018, 03:04 PM

26. I was reporting this about the Detroit and how Trump 1.Won Michigan 2.Won Pennsylvania

you get 10% of 30% of the Democrats (African-Americans in Michigan, Pennsylvania) not to show up making a 46% – 54% loss to Hillary Clinton a 48% – 52% loss, but a win with the electoral college. That's what the actual election results show. Now we have the proof of intention and success.

When I first mentioned this after the election I was chastised as a racist bot, and threatened with suspension and baning for spreading racIst, Republican propaganda.

[link:https://www.cnn.com/2018/12/17/politics/jill-stein-senate-intelligence/index.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+rss%2Fcnn_latest+%28RSS%3A+CNN+-+Most+Recent%29|

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Response to noiretextatique (Reply #9)

Wed Dec 19, 2018, 01:56 AM

39. Pro-Bernie brigade you mean.

While the Right was targeted with pro-Trump material, the Left was targeted with pages that "scorned Mrs. Clinton while promoting Bernie Sanders of Vermont and Jill Stein ... . The voter suppression effort was focused particularly on Sanders supporters and African Americans, urging them to shun Mrs. Clinton in the general election and either vote for Ms. Stein or stay home."

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Response to BadGimp (Original post)

Mon Dec 17, 2018, 02:17 PM

10. K & R

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Response to BadGimp (Original post)

Mon Dec 17, 2018, 02:29 PM

11. Stein pretended to be above it all

By ordering those sham recounts, but in reality, she was in deep.

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Response to BadGimp (Original post)

Mon Dec 17, 2018, 02:58 PM

15. Fuck Jill Stein.

Just as compromised as the rest of them.

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Response to BadGimp (Original post)

Mon Dec 17, 2018, 03:10 PM

16. Just one ignorant tool....

And how many morons voted for that empti-headed buffoon? Try at least 1,200,000 fools.

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Response to BadGimp (Original post)

Mon Dec 17, 2018, 07:38 PM

24. Just being on twitter during this time, most came to this conclusion already.

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Response to BadGimp (Original post)

Mon Dec 17, 2018, 08:09 PM

25. What is "New Knowledge"?

 

Three chiefs listed, one from NSA, two from CIA - sorry, State Department and an "adviser to the State Department."

https://www.newknowledge.com/our-company

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Response to JackRiddler (Reply #25)

Tue Dec 18, 2018, 03:15 PM

27. researching exactly what,

but I do know Mark Warner from the Senate intelligence committee contacted them as computer research specialists. Probably like crowd strike, whatever they're called, a private company full of retired investigators with 20 plus years experience in computers and government agencies. But I cannot vouch for that, much like the NSA is all private contractors

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Response to BadGimp (Original post)

Tue Dec 18, 2018, 03:41 PM

29. K&R

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Response to BadGimp (Original post)

Tue Dec 18, 2018, 03:46 PM

30. No surprise there. Jill Stein was never on our side.

Not for a minute.

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Response to BadGimp (Original post)

Tue Dec 18, 2018, 03:54 PM

31. It looks like they acted as a megaphone for extreme versions of all grassroots groups or

politicians. Jill Stein's own connections to Russia, given that she attended the same Russian dinner Flynn did, need investigation, but this story goes beyond politicians. Several of the MSNBC discussions speak of how they used any fracture in the US or in the Democratic party to increase discord.

Democracies are healthy when people feel free to get out and protest when they want things to change - whether it is against systemic injustice, inadequately regulated guns, environmental issues etc. Here, it seems that by shouting online pretending to be on each side - they aimed to rile up each side against the establishment and the other side.

Note that they speak of them repeating Black Lives Matter and the tea party - obviously not for the goals of either organization. Could they have prolonged the negative discussion of Sanders and Martin O'Malley for saying that "all lives matter", converting what in other contexts would be a pretty non controversial comment into proof that they did not "get" the unigue systemic inequality that minories face. The anger over that, which could have been quickly quelled, was pushed for weeks. Did that argument lead to anger and cause fear among some non political whites and alienation among many African Americans, who could well have been frustrated at the lack of understanding when it seemed that African Americans were killed by police with a steady frequency?

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Response to BadGimp (Original post)

Tue Dec 18, 2018, 09:25 PM

37. Keep digging and I bet there were anti-Jill Stein messages from similar sources.

The whole point was to disrupt and piss off whoever was making a point.
Disabling free exchange of ideas was the goal and they were good at it.
What I remember was that the best way to cut off a valid exchange was to leave a piece of defecation in the center of the room with a comment.
(Aside- trump is really good at this type of deflection.)
Everyone comments and the initial, strong valid point gets lost.
Score one.
It works.
Morally deficient lawyers do it every day.
Some make a career out of it.

Hey, just one guy's opinion.

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Response to BadGimp (Original post)

Wed Dec 19, 2018, 03:34 AM

41. The green party's always been an asset to Republicans.

Figuratively.

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Response to Rizen (Reply #41)

Wed Dec 19, 2018, 08:09 AM

46. And often enough the recipiants of GOP campaigning funds.

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Response to Rizen (Reply #41)

Wed Dec 19, 2018, 05:11 PM

51. Right. This is among the biggest no-news news of the year. :)

More confirmation is always nice, though.

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Response to BadGimp (Original post)

Wed Dec 19, 2018, 05:51 PM

53. I'm not even remotely surprised by this. (nt)

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