Welcome to DU! The truly grassroots left-of-center political community where regular people, not algorithms, drive the discussions and set the standards. Join the community: Create a free account Support DU (and get rid of ads!): Become a Star Member All Forums Issue Forums Culture Forums Alliance Forums Region Forums Support Forums Help & Search

brooklynite

(93,851 posts)
Mon Dec 17, 2018, 02:04 PM Dec 2018

Pelosi tries to buy Mueller time

Source: Politico

Incoming House Speaker Nancy Pelosi and her top allies are trying to stamp out the impeachment chatter spurred by a rapid-fire series of revelations that have brought special counsel Robert Mueller’s probe ever closer to the Oval Office.

Their goal: Give Mueller space and time to finish his work before considering impeachment proceedings while satisfying the Democrats’ burning desire to aggressively investigate Trump in the meantime.

“We must wait to see the entire picture and then engage the American people about how we go forward as a nation,” Pelosi told POLITICO in a statement. “We must protect the integrity of the Mueller investigation, so that the American people can get the full truth.”

For now, Pelosi seems to be pulling off the balancing act. Progressive Democrats who voted to begin an impeachment debate last year are now calling for patience. House staffers met with the special counsel’s office earlier this month to sort out which witnesses they could begin calling in 2019 without causing any problems. Democratic leaders are planning oversight hearings starting in January to highlight any White House attempts to interfere with Mueller’s work.

Read more: https://www.politico.com/story/2018/12/17/nancy-pelosi-impeachment-robert-mueller-investigation-trump-1066710

27 replies = new reply since forum marked as read
Highlight: NoneDon't highlight anything 5 newestHighlight 5 most recent replies
Pelosi tries to buy Mueller time (Original Post) brooklynite Dec 2018 OP
"If you're going to shoot the king, you'd better be god damn sure you kill him." Jim__ Dec 2018 #1
Pelosi knows DownriverDem Dec 2018 #13
She's very skillful. I think we'll reach the conclusion WhiteTara Dec 2018 #2
Having all of our ducks in a row is a good thing, yet, Magoo48 Dec 2018 #16
The wheels of justice grind very slowly but WhiteTara Dec 2018 #20
We don't have to start with dessert... pecosbob Dec 2018 #3
Garlic bread anyone? n/t gay texan Dec 2018 #15
Can I get a round of Jal-opeeno Poppers for me and my friends? LakeSuperiorView Dec 2018 #17
That's why it's taking "so long" WhiteTara Dec 2018 #21
Good point pecosbob Dec 2018 #22
I think she wants Trump to bat around C_U_L8R Dec 2018 #4
Exactly DownriverDem Dec 2018 #14
Sounds like a very smart strategy. Holding hearings, issuing subpoenas, pnwmom Dec 2018 #5
I have no problem with waiting, watoos Dec 2018 #6
Yup. we should wait until even more dirt is revealed LiberalLovinLug Dec 2018 #7
I agree w/ you. Democratic house members need to finish all of the fake house investigations... SWBTATTReg Dec 2018 #8
And release some of the reports GopherGal Dec 2018 #25
I'm all for waiting fr Mueller to finish his investigation before impeachment. Mr.Bill Dec 2018 #9
Death by a thousand cuts is the most painful and effective way. grantcart Dec 2018 #10
It's effective, but I think Pelosi biding time til she can send an iron-clad impeachment to Senate, Bernardo de La Paz Dec 2018 #12
Amen!!! Nancy's smart as a whip. Hulk Dec 2018 #11
Once again she shows that she knows what she's doing. You only try something as important as this.. George II Dec 2018 #18
+10000 skylucy Dec 2018 #27
Those agitating for "impeachment today" are as deluded as the Republicans who claim . . . Journeyman Dec 2018 #19
Bottom line bluescribbler Dec 2018 #23
I don't want Trump out unless Pence dies a few day before. Cold War Spook Dec 2018 #24
I agree with Nancy Pelosi. Let the investigations begin! The REAL investigations, not the skylucy Dec 2018 #26

Jim__

(14,045 posts)
1. "If you're going to shoot the king, you'd better be god damn sure you kill him."
Mon Dec 17, 2018, 02:10 PM
Dec 2018

We do have to get rid of him. Let's be sure to get it right on the first try.

DownriverDem

(6,206 posts)
13. Pelosi knows
Mon Dec 17, 2018, 04:08 PM
Dec 2018

what she is doing. Besides investigations that will happen will most likely lead to impeachment.

WhiteTara

(29,676 posts)
2. She's very skillful. I think we'll reach the conclusion
Mon Dec 17, 2018, 02:14 PM
Dec 2018

we want and need and the healing process will take time; but if they "shoot from the hip" they run the risk of be called sore winners/losers democRATS.

This way, she'll bring them all along.

Magoo48

(4,659 posts)
16. Having all of our ducks in a row is a good thing, yet,
Mon Dec 17, 2018, 04:31 PM
Dec 2018

the longer we tinker, the more of a bombed out hulk our government and its programs become.

pecosbob

(7,502 posts)
3. We don't have to start with dessert...
Mon Dec 17, 2018, 02:28 PM
Dec 2018

there are plenty of snakes in that swamp...just because some them have fled the bayou doesn't exempt them from retribution. Trump will be the cherries jubilee, not duck l'orange.

Sessions
McConnell
Graham
Pruitt
Zinke
DeVos
Grassley
Nunes
Issa
Gowdy
Rohrabacher
ad infinitum, seemingly...

WhiteTara

(29,676 posts)
21. That's why it's taking "so long"
Mon Dec 17, 2018, 05:01 PM
Dec 2018

there's a long long list of criminals. Those are only the US ones, think of those traitors manafold 10 times. It's a metastasized cancer on our nation and world. We need to root the all out. They didn't get all the Nazis and that wound has festered 75 years. We need to get them all this time.

C_U_L8R

(44,892 posts)
4. I think she wants Trump to bat around
Mon Dec 17, 2018, 02:30 PM
Dec 2018

a little longer. It’s just too much fun to resist and the longer Trump’s around, the more damage the GOP inflicts on itself.

DownriverDem

(6,206 posts)
14. Exactly
Mon Dec 17, 2018, 04:10 PM
Dec 2018

The more trump is around the better it is for 2020. Besides trump being impeached will not mean he is gone.

pnwmom

(108,925 posts)
5. Sounds like a very smart strategy. Holding hearings, issuing subpoenas,
Mon Dec 17, 2018, 02:32 PM
Dec 2018

is enough for now. It wouldn't make sense to start impeachment hearings till they have collected more evidence that what is in the newspapers now.

 

watoos

(7,142 posts)
6. I have no problem with waiting,
Mon Dec 17, 2018, 02:42 PM
Dec 2018

but I have no problem with pushing the narrative that Trump "deserves" to be impeached right now. There is more than enough evidence and reasons. We need more people like Auntie Maxine speaking out because, frankly, she is a truth teller.

LiberalLovinLug

(14,153 posts)
7. Yup. we should wait until even more dirt is revealed
Mon Dec 17, 2018, 02:54 PM
Dec 2018

And until Democrats actually are in charge of the House. Who knows what shenanigans the GOP will do until then.

I'm just worried that Pelosi and the "look forward" branch of the Democratic party will NEVER get around to talking impeachment. And instead want to use that leverage to get a few more provisions, they can brag about, added to GOP tax scam bills. That that is enough of a victory. That they are too paranoid to go all in. When there has never been a better time in America for Democrats to go all in, and go for the clean sweep.

SWBTATTReg

(21,859 posts)
8. I agree w/ you. Democratic house members need to finish all of the fake house investigations...
Mon Dec 17, 2018, 03:08 PM
Dec 2018

launched as a sham into the Russian and other hearings...they didn't call all of the witnesses and didn't ask all of the questions that needed to be answered for the American people. Lots of ?s still remain, and they (repugs) glossed over them/ignored them. Time to do the job right and then go after them, finish up the job right.

In the meantime, democratic lawmakers need to go after those already that they can (a two-prong attack) by going after those who clearly were involved in illegal doings. Time to respect the law as it should be, and prosecute where they can.

GopherGal

(1,999 posts)
25. And release some of the reports
Mon Dec 17, 2018, 11:06 PM
Dec 2018

... that the rebukes buried. I think the only way to get cooperation of the senate is to get some political pressure on via some revelations.

Mr.Bill

(24,103 posts)
9. I'm all for waiting fr Mueller to finish his investigation before impeachment.
Mon Dec 17, 2018, 03:33 PM
Dec 2018

Just as long as he doesn't plan on continuing the investigation until the fall of 2024.

Bernardo de La Paz

(48,787 posts)
12. It's effective, but I think Pelosi biding time til she can send an iron-clad impeachment to Senate,
Mon Dec 17, 2018, 03:57 PM
Dec 2018

... one that will result in conviction. My plan in her shoes would be to <strike>learn how to walk in heels</strike> await developments and then move as quickly as possible to impeach tRump before he can decide to resign. He might resign before conviction in the Senate, but that would put the slug lower than Clinton who was impeached but not convicted. And lower than Nixon, who resigned before impeachment in the House.

Hold fire and then drop a very heavy hammer on tRump's illegitimate presidency.

 

Hulk

(6,699 posts)
11. Amen!!! Nancy's smart as a whip.
Mon Dec 17, 2018, 03:51 PM
Dec 2018

I’ve been saying this all along. I know we pay a costly price, keeping this con artist piece of shit in the White House, but unless you have clear and strong evidence he was in cahoots with the Russians, leave it alone.

Investigate the hell out of him and his deplorable history. Present the evidence to the world...but keep your powder dry. This slippery weasel and his enabling party-loyalists will fight impeachment every step of the way, and it will ONLY strengthen the resolve of those on the right who are smart enough to recognize a rotten potato when they smell one.

Once he leaves office, hound that piece of shit all the way to the gates of hell and beyond. Impound EVERY nickel you can from his complicit family; but PLEASE don’t go down that rabbit hole unless absolutely necessary.

He’s going to fuck over the average American, the earth, the world at large; but he’s going to do that whether you start impeachment proceedings now or not. We are stronger than his crazy rants, and we have “a check” on him now...brakes to his madness.

We NEED the Senate AND the White House to right this ship again.

Listen to Nancy!

George II

(67,782 posts)
18. Once again she shows that she knows what she's doing. You only try something as important as this..
Mon Dec 17, 2018, 04:53 PM
Dec 2018

...if you know you'll succeed. Otherwise you look like you're just being petty and vindictive.

After Mueller issues his report and clearly documents impeachable acts, THEN move in for the kill.

Good job again, Madam Speaker!

Journeyman

(15,001 posts)
19. Those agitating for "impeachment today" are as deluded as the Republicans who claim . . .
Mon Dec 17, 2018, 04:55 PM
Dec 2018

"Shut it down! No collusion found!"

Both are like antsy members of an audience at a 3 act play, impatient because there have been few resolutions in the first act.

Let the playwright finish the exposition portion of the script first. Plenty of time for a satisfying denouement.

 

Cold War Spook

(1,279 posts)
24. I don't want Trump out unless Pence dies a few day before.
Mon Dec 17, 2018, 07:11 PM
Dec 2018

Let's get a Democrat in the WH, but not through violence.

skylucy

(3,734 posts)
26. I agree with Nancy Pelosi. Let the investigations begin! The REAL investigations, not the
Mon Dec 17, 2018, 11:11 PM
Dec 2018

bull**** Nunes fake "investigations".

Latest Discussions»Latest Breaking News»Pelosi tries to buy Muell...