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Sat Dec 29, 2018, 10:42 PM

Washington may become first state to legalize human composting

Source: New York Daily News

Washington may become the first state to legalize human composting ó which would give families a third option in addition to burial or cremation after their relatives die.

In the process ó also called ďrecomposition,Ē ó bodies are placed in a vessel which speeds up decomposition and turned into a soil which can be returned to families, NBC reported.

ďWe really only have two easily accessible options in the U.S. ó cremation and burial,Ē said Katrina Spade, a 41-year-old Seattle-based designer and architect. ďAnd the question is: Why do we only have two options, and what would it look like if we had a dozen?Ē

Democratic Sen. Jamie Pedersen is sponsoring a bill that would expand options for disposing human remains. If the bill is passed, it would take place May 1, 2020.

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Reply Washington may become first state to legalize human composting (Original post)
brooklynite Dec 2018 OP
The Velveteen Ocelot Dec 2018 #1
MFM008 Dec 2018 #2
dhol82 Dec 2018 #3
yonder Dec 2018 #4
dae Dec 2018 #7
no_hypocrisy Dec 2018 #9
muriel_volestrangler Dec 2018 #21
yonder Dec 2018 #24
muriel_volestrangler Dec 2018 #35
duhneece Dec 2018 #34
mindem Dec 2018 #5
BigmanPigman Dec 2018 #6
BluesRunTheGame Dec 2018 #8
The Polack MSgt Dec 2018 #10
Rorey Dec 2018 #12
dalton99a Dec 2018 #11
Rorey Dec 2018 #13
babylonsister Dec 2018 #14
Ciaphas Cain Dec 2018 #15
LeftInTX Dec 2018 #16
SeattleVet Dec 2018 #17
Kablooie Dec 2018 #18
Doreen Dec 2018 #19
LuvNewcastle Dec 2018 #22
Doreen Dec 2018 #36
BumRushDaShow Dec 2018 #20
Cold War Spook Dec 2018 #23
xor Dec 2018 #25
Crutchez_CuiBono Dec 2018 #26
xor Dec 2018 #28
Crutchez_CuiBono Dec 2018 #29
ismnotwasm Dec 2018 #27
Kashkakat v.2.0 Dec 2018 #30
doc03 Dec 2018 #31
handmade34 Dec 2018 #32
Oneironaut Dec 2018 #33

Response to brooklynite (Original post)

Sat Dec 29, 2018, 10:44 PM

1. You could return as a rose bush...

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Response to brooklynite (Original post)

Sat Dec 29, 2018, 10:45 PM

2. great...add all the rain to that

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Response to brooklynite (Original post)

Sat Dec 29, 2018, 10:52 PM

3. Excellent!

It annoys me that NY state requires embalming.
I would prefer to let my body just become compost.

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Response to brooklynite (Original post)

Sat Dec 29, 2018, 10:53 PM

4. Lee Hays of the Weavers had some words about this:

If I should die before I wake,
All my bone and sinew take
Put me in the compost pile
To decompose me for a while.

Worms, water, sun, will have their way,
Returning me to common clay
All that I am will feed the trees
And little fishies in the seas.

When radishes and corn you munch,
You may be having me for lunch
And then excrete me with a grin,
Chortling, "There goes Lee again."

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Response to yonder (Reply #4)

Sat Dec 29, 2018, 10:59 PM

7. Ha, that was quite a witty ditty.

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Response to yonder (Reply #4)

Sat Dec 29, 2018, 11:08 PM

9. Actually in the documentary, "Wasn't That A Time?", Lee Hays wryly opined that

he left instructions that his remains be added to his home's compost heap. The epilogue of the film confirmed that is exactly what happened.

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Response to yonder (Reply #4)

Sun Dec 30, 2018, 07:41 AM

21. Or the 19th century "On Ilkley Moor"

The later verses:

Lyrics in Yorkshire dialect

Tha's bahn' to catch thy deeath o' cowd
Then us'll ha' to bury thee
Then t'worms'll come an' eyt thee oop
Then t'ducks'll come an' eyt up t'worms
Then us'll go an' eyt up t'ducks
Then us'll all ha' etten thee
That's wheear we get us ooan back

Interpretation in Standard English

You're bound to catch your death of cold
Then we will have to bury you
Then the worms will come and eat you up
Then the ducks will come and eat up the worms
Then we will go and eat up the ducks
Then we will all have eaten you
That's where we get our own back

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/On_Ilkla_Moor_Baht_%27at

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Response to muriel_volestrangler (Reply #21)

Sun Dec 30, 2018, 02:54 PM

24. Thanks for this and the link too.

For many years I've had an interest in old ballads, broadsides and song cycles. I can't say I've come across this before but the "without a hat" (without a cloak??) theme is vaguely familiar - I'll keep my eyes and ears open.

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Response to yonder (Reply #24)

Sun Dec 30, 2018, 05:49 PM

35. It's so well-known in England that it's a musical shorthand for 'Yorkshire'

though people may not know the later verses with the worms etc.

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Response to yonder (Reply #4)

Sun Dec 30, 2018, 04:51 PM

34. That was quite wonderful, as she says in the end

But now we are at the Lee Hays song stage, and organize: Talking Union

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Response to brooklynite (Original post)

Sat Dec 29, 2018, 10:55 PM

5. Cool,

a step closer to soylent green.

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Response to brooklynite (Original post)

Sat Dec 29, 2018, 10:58 PM

6. I wonder how much it costs compared to the other two ways.

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Response to brooklynite (Original post)

Sat Dec 29, 2018, 11:00 PM

8. Why stop at composting?

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Response to brooklynite (Original post)

Sat Dec 29, 2018, 11:11 PM

10. Even before Fargo came out I used to say that my family

Should just run me through a wood chipper and blow me over a garden plot.

The obscene costs and waste of American style funerals bugs me no end

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Response to The Polack MSgt (Reply #10)

Sat Dec 29, 2018, 11:44 PM

12. Same here

Which is why I'm looking into donating my body to science. I've actually got a letter for my kids specifying that's what I want, along with the phone number of a place. I do need to see a lawyer so I can make sure it'll for sure happen the way I'd like.

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Response to brooklynite (Original post)

Sat Dec 29, 2018, 11:14 PM

11. Cost: $5,500

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/washington-could-become-first-state-legalize-human-composting-n952421

Pedersen sees recomposition as an environmental and a social justice issue. He said allowing it would particularly benefit people who canít afford a funeral or arenít comfortable with cremation. Recompose aims to charge $5,500 for its services, while a traditional burial generally cost more than $7,000 in 2017, according to the National Funeral Directors Association. (Cremation can cost less than $1,000, though that doesnít include a service or an urn.)

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Response to dalton99a (Reply #11)

Sat Dec 29, 2018, 11:48 PM

13. I'd prefer my kids spend that money on a very nice gathering

Or just buy something they want.

The last four funerals I've had to deal with have each cost around $10,000. Ridiculous.

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Response to dalton99a (Reply #11)

Sun Dec 30, 2018, 12:07 AM

14. That price is too high.

Service/urn not required here.

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Response to brooklynite (Original post)

Sun Dec 30, 2018, 12:55 AM

15. Lol.

Just let the city deal with my body. I pay taxes, damn it.

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Response to Ciaphas Cain (Reply #15)

Sun Dec 30, 2018, 01:15 AM

16. I always say, "Just throw me in the garbage!"

But it's illegal around here.

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Response to brooklynite (Original post)

Sun Dec 30, 2018, 02:04 AM

17. We also have 'green burials', and a funeral co-op.

The Peoples Memorial Association has low-cost arrangements (and, depending on financial circumstances, no-cost). My wife and I are at the age now where we have started thinking about these types of things, especially after my heart attack in August (I'm fine - 2 stents and I walked out of the hospital the next day.)

https://peoplesmemorial.org

When a friend's mother passed away, they were able to get a posthumous membership. I think the total for them (services, viewing, and cremation) was around $2000, total.

There are options out there!

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Response to brooklynite (Original post)

Sun Dec 30, 2018, 02:30 AM

18. When will they legalize embedding bodies in clear acrylic blocks?

That's what I want.
And I want it done while nude too.

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Response to brooklynite (Original post)

Sun Dec 30, 2018, 05:45 AM

19. I never worry about what will happen to my body.

First, I can not afford to make plans and my family can not afford it either. Second, my body is only a shell and there is no reason to do anything special with it. Third, I have always said just cremate me and throw my ashes in a horse pasture.

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Response to Doreen (Reply #19)

Sun Dec 30, 2018, 08:15 AM

22. My family lived across the street from a cemetery

when I was growing up, and I used to look at the people who went in to see what they were doing. Occasionally I would see someone walk up with a container of ashes and spread them around their family's graves. I went out and looked at the ashes after the people left, and I saw the tiny chips of bone that the fire didn't consume. It seemed like a respectful way to lay a loved one to rest. I don't see why you couldn't put ashes in a compost pile. I don't think it would hurt anything and I doubt anyone would care enough to make a complaint about it.

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Response to LuvNewcastle (Reply #22)

Mon Dec 31, 2018, 05:08 AM

36. That is also a good idea.

My one last attempt to help humanity. Realistically I do not know what they do with dead poor people who can not afford to prepare for their death. I really do like the compost idea.

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Response to brooklynite (Original post)

Sun Dec 30, 2018, 06:30 AM

20. ...

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Response to brooklynite (Original post)

Sun Dec 30, 2018, 01:28 PM

23. Sounds good

 

I was just going to bury my Wife in the back yard so I can keep getting her Social Security. She is too sick for me to throw a dinner party. What should I do with the bones? Only 2 of my dogs can handle the big bones.

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Response to brooklynite (Original post)

Sun Dec 30, 2018, 03:01 PM

25. I always liked ideas related to this.

There was (maybe still is) this one concept of putting bodies in a egg shaped thing that would help a tree get nourishment as it started to grow. I dunno, the idea of having a living tree that will be around for hundreds or even thousands of years instead of just a grave stone with some decomposed human remains seems more interesting. Although, a forest fire would suck.

https://www.cnn.com/2017/05/03/world/eco-solutions-capsula-mundi/index.html

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Response to xor (Reply #25)

Sun Dec 30, 2018, 03:05 PM

26. I've seen that before.

I always thought trees planted next to graves already kind of do that unless its a Pine Tree or something w shallow roots.

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Response to Crutchez_CuiBono (Reply #26)

Sun Dec 30, 2018, 03:28 PM

28. Would that require a biodegradable coffin?

I know they make those. I the idea of a "sacred forest" that doesn't feel like a cemetery. Loved ones would use GPS to locate the tree since there wouldn't be markings on on it. I'm usually not a sentimental person. In fact, some people might even say I don't have any feelings, but that concept really appeals to me.

Here's another thing that looks interesting https://urnabios.com/

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Response to xor (Reply #28)

Sun Dec 30, 2018, 03:33 PM

29. Not sure. But,

the trees I see in old graveyards possibly invaded old wood coffins would be my guess. I catch myself wondering if their spirits are in the trees 'looking' at me or sensing what they've become. (wood and leaves etc.) I hear what you're saying about the coffin though. I like the egg idea. Kinda creepy(?) topic but thought provoking. We're all just really dust in the wind...

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Response to brooklynite (Original post)

Sun Dec 30, 2018, 03:12 PM

27. Cool

I always wanted to donate it to CSI study. But compost is good

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Response to brooklynite (Original post)

Sun Dec 30, 2018, 03:34 PM

30. May I be the first to say it - this kinda grosses me out. Sure put me in the ground and let me

rot and crawl with maggots - in fact, I intend to pre-arrange my own "green" burial (which is cheap and involves no embalming and you get put into the ground in a nature preserve in a plain cardboard box). But this is not that. This is your body put in a"vessel" and then they do stuff to it - not sure what cos article doesnt say. Bones for instance - naturally those would take many decades if not longer to decompose naturally. So how are they going to "speed up" the decomposition of those? Do you get ground up like hamburger? Or dissolved in chemicals like in that one infamous episode of "Breaking Bad".

In short - ewwwww.

I wouldnt mind being put in a tree and eaten by vultures (a native american way) or dumped overboard at sea, but I just dont want people doing stuff to me/my body. I wont have any use for my body of course, but its served me well and I do have a certain fondness for it.

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Response to brooklynite (Original post)

Sun Dec 30, 2018, 03:44 PM

31. They could use the compost to fertilize cannabis. Willie Nelson's

song may come true "Roll Me up and Smoke Me when I Die". I am looking for a good stock to invest in the
cannabis industry I will have to look into composting too.

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Response to brooklynite (Original post)

Sun Dec 30, 2018, 04:15 PM

32. still legal to bury

on your property in Vermont (adhering to regulations, of course, proper depth being one)... my property is very wet and I am still looking for a place suitable... also still legal to transport a body in Vermont (must have approval from town clerk)... when my father died last year, we put him in my son's truck and took the body to the local crematorium ourselves... entire cost was around $300. (box from crematorium cost $70.)

I suggested my mother donate her body to Michigan State University and that is where she went when she died a few years back... I have registered to donate my body to University of Vermont and that is where I will go if we can't find suitable place on my land...

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Response to brooklynite (Original post)

Sun Dec 30, 2018, 04:25 PM

33. It's my wish to have a sky burial, and I regret that I can't have one in the US.

Cemeteries are a pointless vanity. Your body is stuffed in an air-tight, overly expensive shoebox so that anaerobic bacteria can munch on you until you turn into bones and a long-lasting sludge. Itís so wasteful!

I want to feed animals, so that my death could have meaning. I donít want my body to be a useless, rotting piece of meat. I donít want a headstone that developers 200 years from now will bulldoze for a parking lot.

I want my elements to be eaten by living things - at that point in time, they would be alive, and I would have already left the party, so to speak. In that way, my energy would become theirs. My molecules will help keep their bodies alive. Itís the circle of life.

Death sucks, but Iíd like something good to come from it. I want there to be some happiness I died - a free meal!

I know itís a gross subject, but Iím sad that Iíll probably be like most people - incinerated in an oven. Too bad.

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