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Calista241

(5,586 posts)
Sun Dec 30, 2018, 05:05 PM Dec 2018

Californian law change means pet shops can sell only rescued animals

Source: BBC

California is set to become the first state in the US to ban the sale of non-rescue animals in pet shops. The new law, known as AB 485, takes effect on 1 January. Any businesses violating it face a $500 (£400) fine.

The change means cats, dogs and rabbits sold by retailers cannot be sourced from breeders, only from animal shelters.

Animal rights groups have heralded it as a step forward against so-called "kitten factories" and "puppy mills".

They say the current "high-volume" industries, where pets are bred for profit, can lead to inhumane treatment and long-term emotional and physical health problems in some animals.

Read more: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-46717173

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Californian law change means pet shops can sell only rescued animals (Original Post) Calista241 Dec 2018 OP
This is good news sakabatou Dec 2018 #1
Its a great start, I would like to see it nation wide elmac Dec 2018 #2
Living, breathing animals are not PRODUCTS HockeyMom Dec 2018 #3
So what does this do as far as pets bred as pure breeds? cstanleytech Dec 2018 #4
"Pure bred" animals have many genetic problems due to inbreeding .. jb5150 Dec 2018 #6
I have two purebread animals who are reaching a normal lifespan. LisaL Dec 2018 #9
I mean does it ban a store from selling pure breeds that come from a cstanleytech Dec 2018 #13
reputable breeders most often sell there own dogs MissMillie Dec 2018 #30
Seems a broad statement. summer_in_TX Dec 2018 #23
Our golden retrievers lived to 12 and 13. My pound hound cocker is now 16 mahina Dec 2018 #31
You have to buy them straight from the breeder TexasBushwhacker Dec 2018 #12
Most purebred dogs aren't sold in pet stores. Codeine Dec 2018 #14
Yes, so true Farmer-Rick Dec 2018 #28
So what effect do pure breeds have on puppy mills? LanternWaste Dec 2018 #25
There's so many strays in my city that I don't even need to buy pets ansible Dec 2018 #5
That's how I ended up with all the pets I've had. Codeine Dec 2018 #15
PLEASE, make this the law of the land! mysteryowl Dec 2018 #7
I see it as overreaching by a state to take too much control LisaL Dec 2018 #8
Ever see where pet stores get their stock? Codeine Dec 2018 #16
Wouldnt the proper way to address that issue would be restricting the mills themselves? cstanleytech Dec 2018 #17
Why all this bending over backwards Codeine Dec 2018 #18
I am not bending over rather I am pointing out that there "are" alternatives that cstanleytech Dec 2018 #20
What specifically leads you to believe these alternatives have not been looked at? LanternWaste Dec 2018 #26
Yeah, damn those pesky child labor laws, too obamanut2012 Dec 2018 #19
I like this law, and understand the reasons for it. But, obamanut, i suggest you refrain from Nitram Dec 2018 #29
I think it just removes the profit incentive to run pet-breeding mills. (n/t) forgotmylogin Dec 2018 #10
I have rescuded animals. Cold War Spook Dec 2018 #11
The AKC hangs out at dog auctions CountAllVotes Dec 2018 #21
Only a change for smaller cities MR. ELECTABLE Dec 2018 #22
Petco and the other pet shops already do this... samnsara Dec 2018 #24
Good news. n/t whathehell Dec 2018 #27
 

elmac

(4,642 posts)
2. Its a great start, I would like to see it nation wide
Sun Dec 30, 2018, 05:23 PM
Dec 2018

One side effect may be new black marketing of pets.

jb5150

(1,178 posts)
6. "Pure bred" animals have many genetic problems due to inbreeding ..
Sun Dec 30, 2018, 05:49 PM
Dec 2018

... that practice needs to be ended.

LisaL

(44,973 posts)
9. I have two purebread animals who are reaching a normal lifespan.
Sun Dec 30, 2018, 06:14 PM
Dec 2018

So that's way too general a statement you are making.

cstanleytech

(26,281 posts)
13. I mean does it ban a store from selling pure breeds that come from a
Sun Dec 30, 2018, 07:18 PM
Dec 2018

reputable breeder that makes every effort to breed good animals in quality conditions?

MissMillie

(38,548 posts)
30. reputable breeders most often sell there own dogs
Mon Dec 31, 2018, 01:37 PM
Dec 2018

a really good breeder will not sell an animal to just anyone.

summer_in_TX

(2,732 posts)
23. Seems a broad statement.
Mon Dec 31, 2018, 12:26 AM
Dec 2018

I'm sure it's true when it comes to the dog breeds bred for pug-type faces and short legs. Friends with bulldogs have told me about short lifespans, problems giving birth, etc.

I've owned purebred Irish setters and bred some too, and didn't see any such problems.

mahina

(17,643 posts)
31. Our golden retrievers lived to 12 and 13. My pound hound cocker is now 16
Mon Dec 31, 2018, 02:37 PM
Dec 2018

For what it’s worth.

TexasBushwhacker

(20,173 posts)
12. You have to buy them straight from the breeder
Sun Dec 30, 2018, 07:15 PM
Dec 2018

You just won't be able to buy them in a pet store anymore in CA.

 

Codeine

(25,586 posts)
14. Most purebred dogs aren't sold in pet stores.
Sun Dec 30, 2018, 07:37 PM
Dec 2018

Breeders are still a thing, and can still sell their inbred dogs freely.

Farmer-Rick

(10,154 posts)
28. Yes, so true
Mon Dec 31, 2018, 11:18 AM
Dec 2018

That way you know if they are treated well or left in small cages most of their short lives.

I bought a pure bred beagle from my neighbor. As far as I know, beagles are a very old breed and are not known to have any major breed defects. He just loved beagles so much. I don't think he made any money off it.

But now I have a 1 1/2 old mutt I rescued from the pound. She is part beagle and part whippet. She can sniff out bunnies and chase them down too. Though she doesn't seem to know what to do once she catches up with them....she just likes the chase.

 

ansible

(1,718 posts)
5. There's so many strays in my city that I don't even need to buy pets
Sun Dec 30, 2018, 05:43 PM
Dec 2018

Already adopted 2 cats and 2 dogs now, literally came right at my doorstep and never left.

mysteryowl

(7,376 posts)
7. PLEASE, make this the law of the land!
Sun Dec 30, 2018, 05:49 PM
Dec 2018

I will be contacting my new Rep and two Senators about this and make reference to the CA law.

Awesome!

cstanleytech

(26,281 posts)
17. Wouldnt the proper way to address that issue would be restricting the mills themselves?
Sun Dec 30, 2018, 08:32 PM
Dec 2018

Granted, if its out of state there is not to much the state can do to the mill but surely they can require the stores to deal with breeders that are certified and licensed by the state?
Not to mention to encourage stores to sale the animals from the shelters they could also provide them with tax incentives.

 

Codeine

(25,586 posts)
18. Why all this bending over backwards
Sun Dec 30, 2018, 09:01 PM
Dec 2018

to make breeders happy? There are an endless number of shelter dogs who need loving homes. I’ll reserve my sympathies for them.

Besides, in California instate breeders don’t tend to sell to pet stores. Private sales are more lucrative and reputable breeders prefer to vet their buyers. They don’t want their beloved cockerpoos and smashed-faced puggiewugs going to some random-ass home. Across the country pet stores get their stock from puppy mills, mostly in Amish country.

cstanleytech

(26,281 posts)
20. I am not bending over rather I am pointing out that there "are" alternatives that
Sun Dec 30, 2018, 09:38 PM
Dec 2018

the state could try.
Alternatives that might stand a better chance of surviving a court challenge as well as I am willing to bet someone will file a lawsuit over this and given the current SCOTUS makeup I would not be willing to bet on a favorable outcome for the state.

 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
26. What specifically leads you to believe these alternatives have not been looked at?
Mon Dec 31, 2018, 10:34 AM
Dec 2018

Failure on your part to research the easily obtainable and relevant information, or simply to utilize plausible deniability again as the narrative is played?

obamanut2012

(26,068 posts)
19. Yeah, damn those pesky child labor laws, too
Sun Dec 30, 2018, 09:20 PM
Dec 2018


Good to know who on DU are pro puppy, kitten, and bunny mills.

Nitram

(22,791 posts)
29. I like this law, and understand the reasons for it. But, obamanut, i suggest you refrain from
Mon Dec 31, 2018, 12:12 PM
Dec 2018

making your comments personal with the gratuitous "Good to know who on DU are pro puppy, kitten, and bunny mills." Implying that someone who disagrees with the law are against puppies, kittens, and rabbits adds nothing constructive to the conversation.

 

Cold War Spook

(1,279 posts)
11. I have rescuded animals.
Sun Dec 30, 2018, 06:34 PM
Dec 2018

I have 10 dogs and 3 cats. I also have a cockatiel, finch, hen, bullfrog and 3 tree frogs. When I was young, my father bought me a dog. A purebred blue merle collie. We went to a farm to pick it out. We saw its parents and the paperwork going back generations including health records and how often a female got pregnant each year. There is a difference between these AKC registered farms and puppy mills.

CountAllVotes

(20,868 posts)
21. The AKC hangs out at dog auctions
Sun Dec 30, 2018, 11:48 PM
Dec 2018

This is where you can buy yourself a puppy mill dog. The AKC is there to register them for you for a price of course.

I owned an AKC registered dog. It was inbred and had been abused.

The AKC is a corrupt batch of organized THUGS of the highest order!

If you care to rescue an animal, please go to your local KILL shelter and adopt!

Glad to know this new law is in place as there are far too many dogs and cats out there without homes.



MR. ELECTABLE

(218 posts)
22. Only a change for smaller cities
Sun Dec 30, 2018, 11:58 PM
Dec 2018

I live in San Diego and these kinds of sales have already been banned in the city limits for several years. I’m pretty sure this is similar for LA and most of the cities in Northern California. So this statewide ruling really only brings smaller cities up to the same standards. At the pet stores near my house I have only ever seen rescue cats and also dogs if there is an adoption event.

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