Trump: I'm nearing decision on emergency declaration to build wall

[at140]

Source: Politico


President Donald Trump again threatened Sunday to declare a national emergency as a means to construct his proposed wall along the U.S.-Mexico border, saying he would first gauge the results of upcoming negotiations to end a partial government shutdown triggered by partisan debate over his campaign trail promise.

“I may decide a national emergency depending on what happens over the next few days,” Trump told reporters as he exited the White House en route to Camp David, according to a pool report.

Read more: https://www.politico.com/story/2019/01/06/trump-emergency-border-wall-government-shutdown-1082712

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Since when our country became dictatorship? Who does Drumpf think he is?
But he is crazy and could very well try to declare national emergency.
If that does happen I hope SCOTUS will rule against him.
How does the military fit into this picture? Will military remove him from office?

[Firestorm49]

1. Try having the first National Referendum and see what the people think.

[George II]

2. Good luck with that, you demented idiot.

[watoos]

4. He can do it, and do it quickly,

I mean the provision is for a real national emergency and not for a made up one. Yeah he can be challenged in the courts but that will take time.

Brings back memories of my uncle who was in the SeaBees.

[maddiemom]

23. I'm curious:

What is reminiscent of your uncle in the SeaBees? Did I miss something? Also, I've wondered if you are from Pittsburgh, or just a Steelers fan.

[Kali]

37. yeah, really

what did I miss?

[orangecrush]

55. Probably that the SeaBees

Could be used for the purpose of constructing?

[cstanleytech]

47. You can bet it would end in the courts fast though and in this case I do not see him winning.

Why? Because the Constitution does not give the President the right to bypass Congress whom is entrusted the power of the purse.
Not to mention it would be allowing the President to seize American citizens land without even a hearing to build the wall.
In fact it might actually give our people the ability to both impeach him and win a conviction in the Senate to remove him because the Repugnants in the Senate do not want to be the ones to own taking private citizens land like he is proposing.

[ripcord]

62. Don't be too sure about this

Remember the wall was approved in 2006 but it has never been funded, if he finds the funds the courts may let him proceed.

[TomCADem]

12. Atlantic: What the President Could Do If He Declares a State of Emergency

The fact that Trump is threatening to "close the border" or declare an emergency simply because he can't force Congress to support the construction of an expensive, ineffective wall makes you wonder what he will do when his own election is at stake or if he is at risk of impeachment.

https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2019/01/presidential-emergency-powers/576418/

In the weeks leading up to the 2018 midterm elections, President Donald Trump reached deep into his arsenal to try to deliver votes to Republicans.

Most of his weapons were rhetorical, featuring a mix of lies and false inducements—claims that every congressional Democrat had signed on to an “open borders” bill (none had), that liberals were fomenting violent “mobs” (they weren’t), that a 10 percent tax cut for the middle class would somehow pass while Congress was out of session (it didn’t). But a few involved the aggressive use—and threatened misuse—of presidential authority: He sent thousands of active-duty soldiers to the southern border to terrorize a distant caravan of desperate Central American migrants, announced plans to end the constitutional guarantee of birthright citizenship by executive order, and tweeted that law enforcement had been “strongly notified” to be on the lookout for “ILLEGAL VOTING.”

These measures failed to carry the day, and Trump will likely conclude that they were too timid. How much further might he go in 2020, when his own name is on the ballot—or sooner than that, if he’s facing impeachment by a House under Democratic control?

More is at stake here than the outcome of one or even two elections. Trump has long signaled his disdain for the concepts of limited presidential power and democratic rule. During his 2016 campaign, he praised murderous dictators. He declared that his opponent, Hillary Clinton, would be in jail if he were president, goading crowds into frenzied chants of “Lock her up.” He hinted that he might not accept an electoral loss. As democracies around the world slide into autocracy, and nationalism and antidemocratic sentiment are on vivid display among segments of the American populace, Trump’s evident hostility to key elements of liberal democracy cannot be dismissed as mere bluster.

[ProudMNDemocrat]

3. MArch in the streets if that happens.

Call your Washington Reps and demand they stop this no matter what Party they are. Tell them you will not vote for them if they approve Trump taking matters into his own hands when there is no PHYSICAL threat from those seeking asylum.

[maddiemom]

32. Call whoever you can in the MSM and ask...

Why do they keep reporting the declarations and obsessions of the Mad Man in the White House as if this behavior has been anything near to normal for any other POTUS? We've had a few previous doozies in that office, but NONE of them has been as delusional as Trump. Just in the past few days he's declared himself as "winning perhaps the greatest election victory of all time;" "having the most successful first two years of any president in the history of our country (FDR, get behind him where you belong)" "most popular president of any other in his party (Ike, eat your heart out. Reagan: preposterous, but long the Repug idol)" Does he think any SANE person of any party swallows this typical lie? If so, he's delusional. Does HE really believe it? If so, his delusions know no bounds. Either way Trump is obviously in his own fictional world. Don't the PTB, even of his own party, realize how dangerous he is to us, the world over?

[theaocp]

5. Since we understand your role as a motherfucker, I'll preclude that and just say:

BRING IT!

[Phoenix61]

6. If anyone ever wondered how he managed to bankrupt all those businesses, this is how.

Grab on to a really, really bad idea then go all in. He doesn't understand the US isn't a business he can break then walk away from.

[jalan48]

8. Normalizing a national emergency. It just doesn't stop.

[dalton99a]

9. The House should begin impeachment proceedings the day he signs his bogus declaration.

[onetexan]

21. second that

this would be time to panic and get the impeachment moving

[oberliner]

10. Creating suspense - one of his primary strategies

[Iliyah]

11. Many t-rump voters' land/homes will have to be removed.

Taking generations of property from USA's citizens should go very well for his die hard supporters, ummmmmmm, maybe.


Diverting military monies to such a wall, should go very well for the military, ummmmmmm, maybe.


Bad move. Let's see what his Republican do nothing party do? Of course, blame the Democrats.

[C_U_L8R]

13. This is not a gameshow

and we're not playing along.
Take your dumb wall and shove it.

[elmac]

14. I can find only one positive thing from tRump being president

Is making millions of Americans revisit political science & civics class.

[lark]

15. Military is not our friend, they ALWAYS follow orders and he has the (stolen) title of CIC.

They won't risk their careers and family by going against the traitor, just like in Germany in the 40's, they will hate him all the while they are following his orders.

[EarlG]

16. I wonder if this is what's coming next:

Trump says he’s going to declare a national emergency to build the wall and therefore doesn’t need Congress’s money any more, so the shutdown can end. He gives McConnell permission to vote on the House bill in the Senate, it passes with massive bipartisan support, and he signs it.

Then he makes some bullshit toothless presidential proclamation that says the wall is going to be built, tells his base that he’s declared an emergency and that the military will begin building he wall any day now, and tries to take credit for ending the shutdown.

Plausible?

[Auggie]

24. Why not?

I can also imagine Border Patrol / Homeland Security undertake routine or needed maintenance of border facilities and watch the White House spin this as "construction."

[reACTIONary]

45. I think you are right...

.... he coukd keep the drama going without the hard negative consequences of a long term shutdown.

[guruoo]

57. Was thinking plan was for turtle man to eventually cave and allow the vote

so as to save face for Trump. Trump then tidies up by playing (tweeting) the
"obstruction" card on that mean ol' "Congress".

Using emergency powers to get the wall would be total political suicide, IMO.

[RobinA]

63. Works For Me

He needs a way to proclaim victory or he will never ever end this thing. Once he can say he won, no wall will ever have to be built because his attention will go elsewhere and by 2020 if he's still around he will have forgotten about it.

[highplainsdem]

17. IF he actually does this, it will be because Putin told him to. I don't think Trump will take this

big a step without his puppet-master's approval.

[PeeJ52]

18. Declaring a false emergency just to get his way just might be his fastest ticket to impeachment...

I say go ahead...

[christx30]

49. I was thinking I wish Obama had

declared a national healthcare emergency, since more people are killed by inadequate healthcare than criminals.
I’d had loved to see how that one would have gone.
Declare the emergency, put Medicare for all in place. Guess it’s cool to spend $5 billion for a stupid bit of concrete if one guy wants it.

[at140]

50. And #1 cause for bankruptcies is a serious illness

Followed by serious bills. 6 months of cancer treatment can cost $400k.

[PeeJ52]

60. Tell me about it...

I had lung cancer in 2002 when I turned 50 and 2 months after my 26 year marriage ended in divorce. Plus, I was fired from my job within 2 months after returning from surgery. I couldn't find a job for 9 months and the cost of COBRA to maintain continuous insurance, paying alimony, and paying my bills on unemployment at $1050 a month, soon wiped me out. The stress liked to killed me, knowing if I lapsed having health insurance I would never be able to be insured again because of a pre-existing condition. My bill for my treatment alone was over $350,000. I was quickly wiped out in only 9 months, of course I didn't have much to start from after just getting divorced.

[at140]

64. On the + side, you are still here 16 years

After cancer was discovered. Great job!!

[PeeJ52]

68. Yep... and griping about the government again...

[elmac]

19. interesting and informative

https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2019/01/presidential-emergency-powers/576418/

[EarthFirst]

34. I recall the precipice we all stood on during the Bush/Cheney years...

...and recall how often we were told how close we were to suspending The Constitution and having a period of martial law implemented.

I would have never guessed that we’d be further along towards a similar situation as we are now.

It’s terrifying to believe that we are one Twitter update away from such a reality...

I promise you one thing: I will not be silenced under a declaration of national emergency!

FFS!

[gibraltar72]

20. Monday or Tuesday. We'll see what happens.

[jpak]

22. Calling Mitch McConnell, Calling Mitch McConnell

Wherefore art thou mutherfuckah?

Will you vote to convict?

[Texin]

25. Shitler can do this. Whether he will is another matter, as is what the official response will be.

One member of the JCoS (I believe he is) was criticizing this recent gambit either Friday or yesterday. And it is a frightening thing to contemplate, especially if the rethugs sit on their hands as usual. Everyone was asking Friday where McConnell was when he missed that Rose Garden press* conference. He was sitting in his office with the Rose Garden in plain sight. He was aware that this was going on (does anyone actually believe that his COS or other staffers wouldn't have known about that and advised him earlier?).

If he does go through with his threat, he can definitely impose immediate shutdowns of the internet and impose media blackouts. This is a threat I believe we need to take very, very seriously. I saw that Schiff was just swatting this away as casually as you'd swat a pesky fly out of your face, but the whole thing could go off the rails pretty quick. We could be tied up in court battles ending at the SCOTUS - where the Rs are in the majority. Many of those seated on the bench adhere to the theory of the Unitary Executive, i.e., absolute and total executive power over all aspects of the government. tRump's nominee to the AG is one of them (though not yet confirmed), as is AAG Whittaker. And I believe McConnell is probably of that particular ideological theory. At any rate, he's using it to let Shitler pull his current shutdown stunt. And, of course, we all know that he exercised his own UE "right" when he failed to advance Merrick Garland's nomination to the bench, all the while decrying how Obama was a renegade abusing his Presidential right* by utilizing the Executive Order options.

[Cold War Spook]

42. He shuts down the internet

and the stock markets free fall.

[at140]

51. He won't shutdown the internet because

Because he is addicted to Twitter!

[Cousin Dupree]

26. What has he been doing the past two years about the wall? Why is it suddenly an emergency?

[democratisphere]

28. drumpf needs a diversion wall because he knows what is coming from the Mueller Team!

And THAT is an emergency!

[Stuart G]

40. Yes, this is all a diversion. Well said. I was thinking about this the other day.

Why?...The real emergency is not the wall, it is that members of Trump's own family are about to be indicted for treason.... Very soon, and Trump can do nothing about it. That is the emergency. This wall is fake s**t to divert our attention away from the real issue that is soon to be here. Indictments of Trump's family.

[dalton99a]

30. +1

[EarthFirst]

35. ...it's similar in that they recently pulled 4,000 terrorists out of thin air

...having recently crossed the border.

The entire situation is being fabricated on the fly daily.

[Cousin Dupree]

38. So true. And I'm getting more irritated with the MSM by the minute.

Why don’t they call him out on this? They just run from crisis to crisis, story to story, and no one points out how we’re all being played.

[at140]

53. He waited because repugs had promised him

Money for the wall after the mid-terms were out of the way. Now that dog won't hunt!

[apcalc]

27. Congress will not appropriate funds for it and if he tries to use military

Funds, I think his own party will revolt.

[Ilsa]

36. I wonder if the military will revolt?

Not as a military unit, but as individuals, talking amongst themselves, slow-working his directives, etc.

[reACTIONary]

46. Did we have a military parade? Are we ...

... out if Syria yet?

[Bleacher Creature]

29. Honestly, this may not be the worst outcome.

It should re-open the government, it will almost certainly be stopped by the courts, and it's an abuse of power that brings him one step closer to impeachment.

[John Fante]

31. The courts will shoot this down with bigly quickness.

He has no plausible reason to declare a national emergency. "Pelosi won't give me my wall" won't cut it.

[SWBTATTReg]

33. All I can say is that if rump does this, the end is here for him and the repug party. Never in ...

history have the will and desire of a majority of Americans been ignored so blatantly. States' rights will be trampled recklessly, the lands owned by many along the border will be seized and little or no compensation will be paid, more than likely. And why? Because of someone nefarious claim that the border is a serious problem. This is one that we as the US has been dealing w/ since day 1 of our existence. Why now? By this rationale, there can be no national emergency since the same thing has been going on since day 1 (migration, whatever else, along the border).

If stifling of the internet occurs, numerous first amendment lawsuits would immediately be filed and millions, no, make that 10s of millions would scream in protest. The internet is our new community centers of today's America. Markets would plunge and then the real damage would begin. A lot of commerce and activity occurs within the internet and a lot of people rely on it.

This is another very strong reason to rein in these powers of the presidency. If he can continue to use twitter, then he has no authority to shut down the internet, for if I remember, some of the internet infrastructure is also used by twitter.

[Ilsa]

39. Landowners on the border might revolt.

Taking land by eminent domain isn't their thing. I would expect Texas landowners to block or destroy anything built on their land that separates them from the river.

[Marie Marie]

41. Sounds like a threat...Gimme what I want or else.

[beachbum bob]

43. bypass the constitution at your peril trump...makes impeachment a lot easier

[BadgerKid]

44. Appeasement doesn't work, historically speaking. Nt

[cstanleytech]

48. True, look at how Trump bowed down literally to Kim to appease him and how that failed. nt

[Freethinker65]

52. So Mitch will let Trump do whatever the fuck he wants. Chinless and spineless.

Might as well dissolve the Senate after all of Trumps non-qualified judges and other appointments have sailed through.

Mitch and the GOP have killed all checks and balances. The override is dead.

[FreepFryer]

54. You're nearing a decision, but not your decision. Buckle up, buttercup. (n/t)

[orangecrush]

56. IMPEACHABLE OFFENSE

[CozyMystery]

58. Trump is a terrorist. And the rethugs in the Senate are part of the administration now. IMO. nt

[zanana1]

59. I'd like to know the legal definition of a "national emergency".

In Trump world, I think it means "I'm not getting what I want and that's a national emergency".

[Tom Rinaldo]

61. If it really were a national emergency why did he ask for a small fraction of the $ needed

to actually build his wall in the budget this year? And what type of leader is he if he couldn't get a Republican Congress to fund his wall for the last two years if there actually was a national emergency? And why did he turn down a deal that would have provided several times the amount he is asking for now for a wall in return for a DACA fix months ago? National Emergency my ass, even by his own warped standards Trump repeatedly has proven that it isn't.

[Yeehah]

65. The corrupt, evil Trump cabal would love a terrorist attack on America

It's just what they need to grab power. The sociopaths in the administration don't care about casualties; all they crave is power. But the real problem is the tens of millions of Americans who support this demented president.

[Maxheader]

66. I'm close, but first I have to see if I have enough of an excuse

to justify a .."national emergency"

[sarcasmo]

67. Dictator Don will never leave, this is his Reichstag.