Ryan: I Didn’t Vote For The Defense Cuts I Voted For

[DonViejo]

Source: ThinkProgress

Vice Presidential candidate Paul Ryan has gotten in hot water before for criticizing President Obama for the very same defense cuts that he voted for in 2011. When confronted with this incongruity today on Face The Nation, Ryan simply denied that he ever voted for the cuts,

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O’DONNELL: Now you’re criticizing the President for those same defense cuts you’re voting for and called a victory.

RYAN: No, no — I have to correct on you this, Norah. I voted for a mechanism that says the sequester will occur if we don’t cut $1.2 trillion in government. … We can get into this nomenclature; I voted for the Budget Control Act. But the Obama Administration proposed $478 billion in defense cuts. We don’t agree with that, our budget rejected that, and then on top of that is another $500 billion in defense cuts in the sequester.

O’DONNELL: Right. A trillion dollars in defense spending, and you voted for it!

RYAN: No, Norah. I voted for the Budget Control Act.

O’DONNELL: That included defense spending!

RYAN: Norah, you’re mistaken.

O’Donnell is, in fact, not mistaken. The Budget Control Act, as passed, included both the roughly $600 billion in “sequestration” cuts that will happen if there’s no compromise on the budget by December as well as the $487 billion of military-supported cuts that will take place regardless. The fact that Ryan may have wished that the bill didn’t contain said defense cuts does not absolve him of the fact that he and 201 other Republicans voted for the bill as-passed.
Moreover, Ryan’s statement after voting for the bill contained not a single word of criticism about the defense cuts.

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Watch it:

Read more: http://thinkprogress.org/security/2012/09/09/816861/ryan-i-didnt-vote-for-the-defense-cuts-i-voted-for/

[sakabatou]

1. More of Lyin' Ryan.

[BlueStreak]

32. If it is anything like the stimulus projects he denied seeking ...

and the health care money from "Obamacare" he denied requesting, tomorrow his staff will come back with a statement that acknowledges that he was lying again.

Why does he lie so much on things that are so easy to verify factually?

At least Romney is evasive about everything. Ryan isn't evasive. He just lies.

[sakabatou]

42. Maybe it's pathogical

[craigmatic]

2. This guy is a habitual liar

[smirkymonkey]

3. It would almost be funny if it weren't such a serious situation,

This guy cannot be let anywhere near the Oval Office.

[noiretextatique]

10. How to Spot a Pathological Liar

http://www.ask.com/web?q=what%20is%20pathological%20liar&askid=cca8217c-6ad3-4a86-90e7-f21db639a9fe-0-us_gsb&kv=sdb&dqi=&qsrc=999&o=16547&l=dir

[muriel_volestrangler]

16. Check if they have "-R" as a suffix to their name

it's the simplest reliable method.

[noiretextatique]

21. indeed

unfortunately, that's a very accurate diagnostic tool.

[catbyte]

4. douche bag

If that's too sexist, how about colostomy bag?

Diane
Anishinaabe in MI

[SunSeeker]

5. So you voted for the bill but not what's in it?!

When are these journalists going to just laugh in these a-holes' faces? But props to O'Donnell for at least calling him on it.

[SDjack]

24. I would love to be the fly-on-the-wall when

his staff chief explains to him that when he votes for a compromise bill, he owns the entire contents.

[SunSeeker]

25. When you vote for ANY bill, you own its contents.

Maybe his chief of staff should have him sit through Schoolhouse Rock.

[BlueStreak]

34. Paul Ryan breaks new ground by pioneering the ise of "Voting statements"

Following the familiar pattern of George W. Bush's "signing statements, and learning from his mentor, Mitt Romney's, ability to change history retroactively, Paul Ryan has developed a powerful new legislative maneuver, the Retroactive Voting Statement.

The RVS allows any legislator to make a statement about any bill he voted for that disowns the bill entirely or in part. The true innovation of the RVS is that the legislator can use this maneuver months or even years after the fact to disown any prior vote.

Just another example of the bold new leadership brought to Washington by the teabaggers.

[Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin]

6. Sociopath.

[Iliyah]

7. Boner, McConnell, Cantor, Ryan, and the whole lot

of GOPpers are pathological liars. When I hear Boner claim with a straight face that it was the GOP who tried to pass a JOBS BILL, just boils my blood.

[proud patriot]

8. lol

priceless

[calimary]

9. They're actually still calling him on these lies? FABULOUS!!!!!!

Never thought I'd see the day. Always hoped for it but too cynical to think it would.

[Cha]

31. That's Way more Shocking than

Lyin' Lies!!

[calimary]

46. Yeah, no kidding!

And I guess david gregory actually leaned on romney a little bit yesterday on "Meet the Press." romney and his trusty blonde sidekick, ayn romney.



Will wonders never cease?

[liberal N proud]

11. Ryan must have blocked that part of it from his tiny little memory.

[The Wielding Truth]

12. Can you even start to imagine him in line to be President. EWWWW!

[aint_no_life_nowhere]

13. If I ever hear him say the 12/21/12 Mayan doomsday prediction is a hoax

that's when I'll shit my pants and hurry up and finish my rocket ship to get off the planet.

[CanonRay]

14. He's lied more than I can ever remember in any campaign

and he's only been in it a couple of weeks. Amazing. This guy has no moral code whatsoever.

[Cha]

29. And, so the other 1/2 of the Campaign doesn't get left out..

Here's 33 Volumes of Mitt's LIES by Steve Benen..

b]"Chronicling Mitt's Mendacity, Vol. XXXIII"

http://maddowblog.msnbc.com/_news/2012/09/07/13731433-chronicling-mitts-mendacity-vol-xxxiii?lite

The first 32 Volumes are at the link, too..

[alcibiades_mystery]

15. Ryan's Twisted Logic: I voted for the consequences of not compromising

Then I refused to compromise, so those consequences kicked in.

But I didn't vote for the consequences themselves.

I just voted that they should be the specific consequences if we didn't compromise, and then I didn't compromise.

See the difference, Joe Citizen?



This is Eddie Haskellesque in its weaselness.

[mac56]

45. "Eddie Haskellesque in its weaselness."

This.

[lexx21]

17. She should have...

whipped out a copy of the bill that he voted for, also providing him one, and ask him to point out where she is wrong. He wouldn't be able to do it.

[Berlum]

18. Enen when he is caught in a lie, he lies about it.

Ryan is a lying liar -- a Republican speciality.

[mountain grammy]

19. I won't go, I won't go, I won't go! I'll stomp my feet an turn blue

You're mistaken, Norah! Little Eddie Munster, aka lyin' ryan, says so!

[hedda_foil]

20. Great job, Norah!

She absolutely hammered him!

[Cha]

28. That right there is shocking

from hearing about N O'D's history on republicon accountability!

So happy she did that! But, Lyin' is trying to correct her when she knows damn well he's lying.

[polichick]

22. Nice try, for a lyin' liar.

[SDjack]

23. Lyin' Ryan-in-a-Box needs Pres. Obama to save him

by conceding on taxes and cuts. Looks like that is not going to happen. Rmoney must now see his mistake in bring this POS to the ticket.

[tibbiit]

26. Remembver Kerry being evicerated for

saying I was for it before I was against it?
(or something like that)
tib

[karynnj]

35. I do - and it is nowhere near the same thing

Kerry was for a version of the funding bill that PAID for it by rolling back the then new tax cuts for the top 1% - something consistent with American history of not cutting taxes when we face the high costs of even one war. He voted against the Bush version that added it onto the debt.

(In Kerry's case it was the media piling onto a Republican gotcha quote that ignored that he had just explained in detail to an earlier questioner about 5 minutes before who asked the same question of why he voted against the funding.)

The difference is while Kerry's shorthand was a gift to the Republicans, there was NEVER any doubt that he was speaking of two versions of the bill - and he was for the version Bush said he would veto. Note that now that the deficit is the issue, Kerry's preferred version would have been far better for the country'

In Ryan's case he is saying he did not vote for something that he really really did vote for. The fact is that he, like EVERY Senator or Congressman have to vote on the bills before them - not the bills they want.

[Cha]

27. Why does "Little

Lyin' Fucker" pop in my mind everytime we go through another of his bald face LIES on national tv?

[spiderpig]

30. This guy just creeps me out bigtime.

And it's another indicator of Mittens decision-making abilities that he agreed to put this jerk on his ticket.

Ugh.

[SoapBox]

38. Creepy, yes.

I agree.

He makes my skin crawl....like I'm look'n into the cold, black eyes (and soul) or Damien or Satan, take your pick.

[spiderpig]

41. You're absolutely right, SoapBox

There's a book written by a Harvard psychologist called "The Sociopath Next Door". And it doesn't focus on serial killers.

They estimate 4% of the population is sociopathic, meaning they regard other beings as objects no different from a table or chair. You are just a thing. These are the people who stab you in the back at work, cut off handicapped people in crosswalks - you know their ilk.

I thought at this point in human development, we'd be better than this - allowing these creatures to even get their toe in the door (let alone steal elections).

[Setsuna1972]

33. oh my god

Dude you're worse than Palin--how do yuo deny voting for the defense cuts that YOU wrote up and signed off on ???

[Kingofalldems]

36. I deny it! And I once ran a 3 minute mile!

So there.

[SoapBox]

37. I was for it, before I was against it!

Signed,

CouponCare

[Nikia]

39. Even if he meant that he didn't agree with the defense cuts,

shouldn't he have said that rather than repeating that he didn't vote for the defense cuts.
We had a local politician vote for a budget that contained some things that she did not like. When she ran for higher office, her opponent highlighted that she voted for the things that she did not like. While she would not have voted for those things, she voted for the budget because it is was a compromise. She told the press that she voted for the compromise. She did not deny that she vote for it.
I think that it would have been acceptable for Ryan to use that language, that yes he voted for the budget that included the defense cuts but he wasn't happy about the defense cuts, doing it only because it was the best compromise. When he simply repeats that he didn't vote for it, it just seems like he is trying completely distort reality.

[and-justice-for-all]

40. So 1.2 trillion in "Government" spending

which should not include the DOD??? When did these two become seperate? Your not serious about a balanced budget if you do not include DOD cuts.

He voted for the act which was attached to the original bill.

[bigtree]

43. kick

[SemperEadem]

44. NBC should have been prepared for his denial

by getting video of the vote. C-SPAN records all of that. It's pretty simple to get. And of his comments after the vote because he is a camera hog. He should have been repudiated by his own record and they let it slide.

NBC ain't shit.