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Fri Jan 11, 2019, 08:56 AM

Trump promises changes to H1-B visas, including potential citizenship

Source: Reuters



JANUARY 11, 2019 / 8:06 AM / UPDATED 29 MINUTES AGO

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - President Donald Trump on Friday said he is planning changes to H-1B visas, which are issued temporarily to highly educated immigrants so they can work in specialty occupations, that would create simplicity, certainty and a possibility that the workers could become U.S. citizens.

“H1-B [sic] holders in the United States can rest assured that changes are soon coming which will bring both simplicity and certainty to your stay, including a potential path to citizenship. We want to encourage talented and highly skilled people to pursue career options in the U.S.,” Trump said in an early morning tweet.

Trump, a Republican, and Democrats in the U.S. Congress are at an impasse, as refuses to end the longest shutdown in federal government history until he secures $5.6 billion to build a wall along the country’s southern border.

While Trump typically depicts undocumented immigrants and asylum seekers attempting to enter the country through Mexico as criminals and terrorists, he frequently praises those applying for H-1Bs, who must hold a bachelor’s degree or higher. Competition is tough for the temporary visas. In 2018, the United States hit the limit on the number of H-1Bs it could issue, 65,000, by the first week of April, according to the Department of Homeland Security.

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Fri Jan 11, 2019, 09:03 AM

1. And tomorrow he'll say the complete opposite.

LIAR
LIAR
LIAR
LIAR
LIAR

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Fri Jan 11, 2019, 09:04 AM

2. Like his promises are worth anything.

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Fri Jan 11, 2019, 09:08 AM

3. They already have that.

There is already a path to citizenship for H1-B citizens.

As usual, no specifics from this imbecile.

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Response to llmart (Reply #3)

Fri Jan 11, 2019, 11:06 AM

7. No, there isn't.

It doesn’t even give you the right to change employers. Someone needs to sponsor you before you can get a green card. If you work for a bad company that takes advantage of its employees, they’ll never sponsor you, because then they would lose their control over you.

But no worries. Canada is happy to take all those highly educated foreigners that so many Americans love to hate.

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Response to athena (Reply #7)

Fri Jan 11, 2019, 11:34 AM

9. As I said, there are no details from him, so this is meaningless drivel.

“H1-B [sic] holders in the United States can rest assured that changes are soon coming which will bring both simplicity and certainty to your stay, including a potential path to citizenship."

I was replying to the above statement when I said they already have that. If they hold an H1-B visa, there is a path to citizenship.

In my experience a company that goes through the expense and effort to hire someone on an H1-B visa is going to protect their investment unless the employee turns out to be a less than stellar employee. Also, someone on an H1-B can work for more than one employer or change employers.

For what it's worth, the organization I worked for had many highly educated Canadian employees who clearly had no problem working in the US.

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Response to llmart (Reply #9)

Fri Jan 11, 2019, 04:27 PM

15. Lots of false statements there.

Once again, the H1-B visa does not provide a path to citizenship. Some employers sonsor some of their H1-B employees to apply for a green card, but that is not the same as saying that “the H1-B visa provides a path to citizenship.”

Someone on an H1-B visa cannot change employers without first going through the process of applying for an H1-B transfer through their new employer. Given how reluctant most employers are to hire someone who doesn’t already have a green card, that makes it difficult for a person on an H1-B to change employers.

To work for more than one employer at the same time, a person on an H1-B has to convince their second employer to file for a “concurrent H-1B” and pay the filing fee. Otherwise, they will be violating the terms of their H-1B.

And finally, it is extremely difficult for Canadians to be able to work in the U.S. legally. They need an H1-B or a TN-1, which is only granted for very specialized or technical occupations. The fact that there are Canadians who work for your employer doesn’t mean any Canadian can easily get a work permit to work in the U.S. Quite the contrary.

Repeating falsehoods will not make them true. I suggest you do some research before spreading misinformation online.

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Response to athena (Reply #15)

Fri Jan 11, 2019, 04:40 PM

16. There are no falsehoods in my post.

Trump's statement said "potential path to citizenship." There is currently the potential to become a citizen for someone on an H1-B and that path is green card and then citizenship. I never said anyone and everyone always has a path. I said there is a path and that statement is true.

I also didn't say any Canadian can easily get a TN-1 or H1-B. I was responding to your comment that Canadians don't want to work in the US by saying that the organization I worked for had no trouble getting Canadians to work for us.

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Response to llmart (Reply #16)

Fri Jan 11, 2019, 05:15 PM

18. You're not reading my posts.

First of all, I didn’t say Canadians don’t want to work in the U.S. I said Canada is happy to grab the best H-1B workers that DUers love to hate.

You are highly misinformed about the H-1B visa. Many H-1B holders are not sponsored for a green card. Talk to some H-1B workers and see how comfortable they feel about their “path to citizenship”. If they happen to work for a good employer like a university (in which case they had to work like crazy to get tenure), they may not have problems, but there are plenty of employers out there who like having workers they have total control over. See:

https://www.usnews.com/debate-club/should-h-1b-visas-be-easier-to-get/h-1b-workers-are-in-a-state-of-indentured-servitude

Another widespread misconception in the public discussion about employer-based immigration is that the H-1B is often mistakenly equated with permanent residence. But the employer has complete discretion over whether it chooses to sponsor its guest worker for permanent residency, and most of the largest H-1B employers sponsor very few of their H-1Bs for permanent residency. Just to provide one example: Between 2007 and 2009, Accenture hired nearly 1,400 H-1Bs, yet during that same time it sponsored a mere 28 (2 percent) of its H-1Bs for permanent residence. Clearly, many employers choose the H-1B program for cheaper temporary labor rather than permanent immigration. This practice may increase corporate profits, but it harms American workers and the American economy.


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Response to athena (Reply #18)

Fri Jan 11, 2019, 05:24 PM

20. I talked with H1-B workers all the time.

You really have a need to call me misinformed, don't you? I have no idea what you do for a living, but I am a 35-year HR professional who just retired a year ago. I was involved on a daily basis with hiring and the visa process, working directly with our legal department and the prospective employees seeking employment, including many Canadians. I worked very closely with USCIS personnel and was required to continually attend their seminars as the laws and rules changed.

That's all I'm going to say on this subject with you.

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Fri Jan 11, 2019, 10:37 AM

4. Worthless promises

highly skilled and pathway to citizenship are good things and I support it. But what we usually get is racism and lies.

There is a US congresswoman who was a former H-1b.

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Fri Jan 11, 2019, 10:40 AM

5. Would that include his own illegals working in his resorts?

Would that include his own illegals working in his resorts?

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Fri Jan 11, 2019, 10:54 AM

6. Grrr. Limbaugh/Coulter ain't gonna like this. nt

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Fri Jan 11, 2019, 11:09 AM

8. I lost my IT jobs in Production Control for 3 separate companies when

my department was outsourced to folks with H1B Visas or working in Chennai India. I supported 2 scheduling softwares(Distributed and Mainframe) batch. First outsourcing/lost job was in 2001/2002.
We formed a group and monitored/picketed in Hotels in NYC where conferences were being held to teach companies how to outsource. We understood those meetings were conducted by the U.S. Chamber of Commerce.

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Response to Rene (Reply #8)

Fri Jan 11, 2019, 12:31 PM

10. Allowing corporations to replaced skilled Americans with cheap overseas labor is very reaganistic

and never made sense to be. Its just another form of union busting without the union. H1B should have very limited use, not be used as a pathway to citizenship or for corporations to save a buck.

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Response to Rene (Reply #8)

Fri Jan 11, 2019, 12:46 PM

11. Exactly

Funny he complains about "illegals" driving down wages for non-skilled jobs that most Americans don't want but thinks it's great to allow guest workers to drop wages for highly skilled workers.

I have to say I don't begrudge anyone who's capable and willing to work for a living. I find it repugnant that there are significant numbers of people in this country who truly believe one group of people is superior to another. i.e. George Orwell's "All animals are equal, but some animals are more equal than others"

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Fri Jan 11, 2019, 02:05 PM

12. So long as they're not from shithole countries

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Fri Jan 11, 2019, 02:07 PM

13. Watch as he'll say something different either later today or tomorrow

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Fri Jan 11, 2019, 03:20 PM

14. Worked with many a engineer on a visa...



And I could have sworn they already had the chance to gain usofa citizenship?

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Response to Maxheader (Reply #14)

Fri Jan 11, 2019, 04:48 PM

17. Yes, you are correct.

Their employer can choose to sponsor them for a green card. After five years as a permanent resident they can apply for citizenship.

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Response to Maxheader (Reply #14)

Fri Jan 11, 2019, 05:17 PM

19. They have a "chance" if they're lucky.

See https://www.usnews.com/debate-club/should-h-1b-visas-be-easier-to-get/h-1b-workers-are-in-a-state-of-indentured-servitude

Another widespread misconception in the public discussion about employer-based immigration is that the H-1B is often mistakenly equated with permanent residence. But the employer has complete discretion over whether it chooses to sponsor its guest worker for permanent residency, and most of the largest H-1B employers sponsor very few of their H-1Bs for permanent residency. Just to provide one example: Between 2007 and 2009, Accenture hired nearly 1,400 H-1Bs, yet during that same time it sponsored a mere 28 (2 percent) of its H-1Bs for permanent residence. Clearly, many employers choose the H-1B program for cheaper temporary labor rather than permanent immigration. This practice may increase corporate profits, but it harms American workers and the American economy.

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Response to athena (Reply #19)

Fri Jan 11, 2019, 05:30 PM

21. Had a couple of brit friends...been here...


seems like over 5 years...Their personal preference seemed to be to string it out as long
as possible , without attaining citizenship..

Aerospace is pretty good to the h1bs...from my personal experience...
They seem to be able to go from one employer to another without
too much problem...

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