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Fri Jan 11, 2019, 10:31 AM

Exasperated Democrats try to rein in Ocasio-Cortez

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Source: Politico

Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez is already making enemies in the House Democratic Caucus — and some of its members are mounting an operation to bring the anti-establishment, democratic socialist with 2.2 million Twitter followers into the fold.

The effort, described by nearly 20 lawmakers and aides, is part carrot, part stick: Some lawmakers with ties to Ocasio-Cortez are hoping to coax her into using her star power to unite Democrats and turn her fire on Republicans. Others simultaneously warn Ocasio-Cortez is destined for a lonely, ineffectual career in Congress if she continues to treat her own party as the enemy.

“I’m sure Ms. Cortez means well, but there’s almost an outstanding rule: Don’t attack your own people,” said Rep. Emanuel Cleaver (D-Mo.). “We just don’t need sniping in our Democratic Caucus.”

Incumbent Democrats are most annoyed by Ocasio-Cortez’s threat to back primary opponents against members of their ranks she deems too moderate. But their frustration goes beyond that: Democratic leaders are upset that she railed against their new set of House rules on Twitter the first week of the new Congress. Rank and file are peeved that there’s a grassroots movement to try to win her a top committee post they feel she doesn’t deserve.

Read more: https://www.politico.com/story/2019/01/11/alexandria-ocasio-cortez-democrats-establisment-1093728

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Reply Exasperated Democrats try to rein in Ocasio-Cortez (Original post)
kstewart33 Jan 11 OP
Crutchez_CuiBono Jan 11 #1
ehrnst Jan 11 #63
mountain grammy Jan 11 #2
watoos Jan 11 #9
George II Jan 11 #27
NurseJackie Jan 11 #40
George II Jan 11 #43
gldstwmn Jan 11 #58
brooklynite Jan 11 #16
George II Jan 11 #28
Eliot Rosewater Jan 11 #53
mountain grammy Jan 11 #64
IthinkThereforeIAM Jan 11 #18
LittleGirl Jan 11 #19
turbinetree Jan 11 #24
McKim Jan 11 #59
mountain grammy Jan 11 #66
Pachamama Jan 11 #3
Tribalceltic Jan 11 #4
tenderfoot Jan 11 #5
dem4decades Jan 11 #6
watoos Jan 11 #13
NurseJackie Jan 11 #44
Eliot Rosewater Jan 11 #54
ehrnst Jan 11 #61
Perseus Jan 11 #7
George II Jan 11 #29
kstewart33 Jan 11 #41
NurseJackie Jan 11 #47
liberalmuse Jan 11 #8
BeyondGeography Jan 11 #10
johnp3907 Jan 11 #11
KG Jan 11 #12
watoos Jan 11 #14
OKNancy Jan 11 #15
watoos Jan 11 #22
Ramsey Barner Jan 11 #17
NurseJackie Jan 11 #51
watoos Jan 11 #20
SFnomad Jan 11 #50
jmowreader Jan 11 #21
theaocp Jan 11 #23
HopeAgain Jan 11 #30
mentalslavery Jan 11 #25
IronLionZion Jan 11 #26
rocktivity Jan 11 #31
LakeArenal Jan 11 #32
Gothmog Jan 11 #33
bonniebgood Jan 11 #34
George II Jan 11 #36
SFnomad Jan 11 #49
George II Jan 11 #35
Eliot Rosewater Jan 11 #55
PubliusEnigma Jan 11 #37
zentrum Jan 11 #38
BeyondGeography Jan 11 #42
George II Jan 11 #45
beastie boy Jan 11 #39
agingdem Jan 11 #46
NurseJackie Jan 11 #52
LenaBaby61 Jan 11 #60
pwb Jan 11 #48
dlk Jan 11 #56
NurseJackie Jan 11 #67
GeorgeGist Jan 11 #57
CousinIT Jan 11 #62
ehrnst Jan 11 #65
DonViejo Jan 11 #68

Response to kstewart33 (Original post)

Fri Jan 11, 2019, 10:32 AM

1. "we don't attack our own people" Hope the lessons been learned.

Ugh....

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Response to Crutchez_CuiBono (Reply #1)

Fri Jan 11, 2019, 01:12 PM

63. Yeah. Like so many do Pelosi. (nt)

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Response to kstewart33 (Original post)

Fri Jan 11, 2019, 10:33 AM

2. I CALL BULLSHIT, POLITICO!

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Response to mountain grammy (Reply #2)

Fri Jan 11, 2019, 10:40 AM

9. I agree,

IMHO this is a right wing smear campaign.

There are more than OAC who don't like PAYGO, myself included. PAYGO pretty much killed Medicare for all.

I have no problem with our party having vigorous debates, we are a big tent party and we certainly don't need purity tests.

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Response to watoos (Reply #9)

Fri Jan 11, 2019, 11:16 AM

27. Emanuel Cleaver is "right wing"? As for "PAYGO", the one included in the House rules is NOT....

....the big bad "PAYGO" that everyone hates.

People should familiarize themselves with the new rules.

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Response to George II (Reply #27)

Fri Jan 11, 2019, 11:39 AM

40. Sadly, it's often easier to jump to knee-jerk conclusions without thinking.

All I'm saying is... when someone attacks Democrats or the Democratic party, they should expect a fair amount of push-back. I mean, it's not like this hasn't happened before. I know this tune. It's an old one, and it's a little long in the tooth.

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Response to NurseJackie (Reply #40)

Fri Jan 11, 2019, 11:44 AM

43. Or reading. The article has explicit quotes from a number of Democrats. I find it interesting....

....that some are telling these Democrats to shut up because they perceive them as telling a Democrat to shut up. Quite ironic.




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Response to watoos (Reply #9)

Fri Jan 11, 2019, 12:57 PM

58. She's got the Republicans scared shitless.

She's extremely popular and stands for everything they hate. She also represents the future and god knows how much they hate any sort of modernity. She was a community organizer like Barack Obama and I can see her running for president one day and winning.

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Response to mountain grammy (Reply #2)

Fri Jan 11, 2019, 10:47 AM

16. So, you're saying House Member Cleaver didn't say this?

Or are you just objecting to stories you don't like?

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Response to brooklynite (Reply #16)

Fri Jan 11, 2019, 11:16 AM

28. For the life of me I never thought I'd ever see Emanuel Cleaver called "right wing".

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Response to George II (Reply #28)

Fri Jan 11, 2019, 12:49 PM

53. And now we know how we got here.

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Response to brooklynite (Reply #16)

Fri Jan 11, 2019, 01:12 PM

64. I'm objecting to the fucking headline

And you should too. All Democrats should. Exasperated???? Really?

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Response to mountain grammy (Reply #2)

Fri Jan 11, 2019, 10:51 AM

18. +1...


... kick.

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Response to mountain grammy (Reply #2)

Fri Jan 11, 2019, 10:51 AM

19. +1 exactly. eom

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Response to mountain grammy (Reply #2)

Fri Jan 11, 2019, 11:05 AM

24. I second your motion, every time democrat party take's back a House or Senate, Politico or the Hill

will write some BULL SHIT story to further there right wing cause.................all one has to do is look at the opinion section of both of these right wing organizations..................they have a list of a who's who on right wing fascist talking points, and then they go and find a someone to spew there shit........................she won her election on her promises that she will make to the workers in this country and her district.

For one she said the people making lots and lots of money do not pay there fair share in taxes...................and they don't, ever since that right wing former NBC Hour Ronald Reagan, was given a platform by NBC to spew his right wing shit about the middle class ...............................so Politico and the Hill can go and twirl...................on a proverbial stick.....................

I back AOC, I wish my representative was like her.....................I got a "guy" that is beholden to the Club for Growth..................Andy (I'm a fucking doctor that voted 50 times to eviscerate ACA health care to hurt my wife and others in Maryland, and voted to fuck everyone in the state(s) with there property and mortgage taxes to give 1.5 trillion to the likes of the traitor sitting in the white house) Harris.................................so Politico and the HILL again...............go twirl...................


November 3, 2020 cannot get here fast enough................................





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Response to turbinetree (Reply #24)

Fri Jan 11, 2019, 12:59 PM

59. Thank You!

Your post is astute. AOC is doing what she was elected to do for her district. The Democratic Party is a BIG tent. She brings voters like me on board and gives me hope. Let’s not splinter it and create more false conflicts!

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Response to turbinetree (Reply #24)

Fri Jan 11, 2019, 01:15 PM

66. Yes

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Response to kstewart33 (Original post)

Fri Jan 11, 2019, 10:34 AM

3. Let her be

Efforts that control or silence her will not only fail massively, they will only make the Democratic Party look bad and she will have a bigger forum and stage.

I for one like her and even if I don’t agree on all of the things or tactics, I think she is smart and energetic and passionate and I think she walks the talk.

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Response to kstewart33 (Original post)

Fri Jan 11, 2019, 10:34 AM

4. Amendment I

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

They have the power , now they need to exercise it!

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Response to kstewart33 (Original post)

Fri Jan 11, 2019, 10:36 AM

5. What a bullshit article

eom

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Response to kstewart33 (Original post)

Fri Jan 11, 2019, 10:36 AM

6. If you attack a Democrat here it goes to a jury.

Why should we not have our leaders close the same rules?

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Response to dem4decades (Reply #6)

Fri Jan 11, 2019, 10:43 AM

13. Is it an "attack" a word that the right likes to use,

or is it rigorous debate?

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Response to dem4decades (Reply #6)

Fri Jan 11, 2019, 11:46 AM

44. Yep... attacks and smears... that's exactly what it is. Fact is, Democrats are NOT "do-nothings" ...

Yep... attacks and smears... that's exactly what it is. Fact is, Democrats are NOT "do-nothings" nor "corrupt" nor are Democrats "climate change deniers". I will always push-back whenever I hear this type of divisive rhetoric. It causes division and creates distrust and suspicion. All I'm saying is that these things weaken the Democratic party and drive away new voters, support, volunteers and donors... and a weak Democratic party benefits the GOP (and Russia).

Cenk Uygur's "Justice Democrats" (Just us Democrats?) philosophy that the Democratic Party must be "destroyed" in order to be "rebuilt" is dangerous and foolish. With his Republican backing and funds, I distrust him... his motives... and ANYONE who has a close association with him. Cenk is toxic. And quite the asshole, too.

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Response to NurseJackie (Reply #44)

Fri Jan 11, 2019, 12:50 PM

54. If everyone doesnt RIGHT NOW figure the fuck out who JD really are, we are doomed to repeat somethin

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Response to dem4decades (Reply #6)

Fri Jan 11, 2019, 01:11 PM

61. Calling for Pelosi to be canned was considered just fine for a long time here.

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Response to kstewart33 (Original post)

Fri Jan 11, 2019, 10:36 AM

7. There we go again...Democrats do not seem to learn

There is time when your mouth needs to be shut...

Are these democrats feeling threatened by AOC? That has to be the reason they are being stupid. Someone should ask them that question.

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Response to Perseus (Reply #7)

Fri Jan 11, 2019, 11:19 AM

29. So you're telling a Democrat to shut his mouth because.....

.....you think he's telling a Democrat to shut her mouth?



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Response to George II (Reply #29)

Fri Jan 11, 2019, 11:43 AM

41. Bingo, George. nt

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Response to George II (Reply #29)

Fri Jan 11, 2019, 12:04 PM

47. It's dizzying!

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Response to kstewart33 (Original post)

Fri Jan 11, 2019, 10:36 AM

8. Nope.

And if this story isn’t BS (it is), Democrats should not reign her in. She’s energizing and a breath of fresh air. If any Dems are exasperated, they’re likely of the old white guy conservative ilk (like Lieberman, that POS) She really scares them.

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Response to kstewart33 (Original post)

Fri Jan 11, 2019, 10:43 AM

10. We've been sailing with a cargo of love and devotion

Damn you, AOC!

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Response to kstewart33 (Original post)

Fri Jan 11, 2019, 10:43 AM

11. We just don't need sniping in our Democratic Caucus." he sniped.

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Response to kstewart33 (Original post)

Fri Jan 11, 2019, 10:43 AM

12. I LOL'd

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Response to KG (Reply #12)

Fri Jan 11, 2019, 10:44 AM

14. Me too.

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Response to kstewart33 (Original post)

Fri Jan 11, 2019, 10:44 AM

15. Well, I think that backing candidates to primary members is dumb

No wonder Democrats are annoyed. I'm annoyed with her.
NOT EVERY PLACE IS the Bronx. I'm thrilled that a female Democrat won Oklahoma's 5th district. The first one in 44 years!
If for any reason AOC tried to primary her.... someone just might need to primary AOC.

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Response to OKNancy (Reply #15)

Fri Jan 11, 2019, 10:56 AM

22. The word "if" can be a complicated word at times.

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Response to kstewart33 (Original post)

Fri Jan 11, 2019, 10:50 AM

17. AOC has already shown us

that she is as focused on the practical as she is on the ideal. She's trying to effect change, AND she supported Speaker Pelosi. Case closed.

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Response to Ramsey Barner (Reply #17)

Fri Jan 11, 2019, 12:33 PM

51. Anyone who treats their own party as the "enemy" will have a lonely and short career.

Case closed.

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Response to kstewart33 (Original post)

Fri Jan 11, 2019, 10:55 AM

20. 20 members don't like her, boo hoo,

that means that 179 members have no problem with her.

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Response to watoos (Reply #20)

Fri Jan 11, 2019, 12:16 PM

50. No it doesn't ... it means that 179 members haven't said anything, either way n/t

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Response to kstewart33 (Original post)

Fri Jan 11, 2019, 10:56 AM

21. He's got a point

The GOP is the Devil. It is Evil Incarnate. Attacking Democrats for not being perfect enough for her, when she SHOULD be attacking Republicans for being enemies of the state, only helps the Republicans.

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Response to jmowreader (Reply #21)

Fri Jan 11, 2019, 11:01 AM

23. It's almost like she's leaving the republicans alone, right?

Oh, wait.

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Response to jmowreader (Reply #21)

Fri Jan 11, 2019, 11:20 AM

30. Attack or disagree?

Does towing the line mean I have to give up my beliefs? Is PAYGO a inviolate principle of the party now?

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Response to kstewart33 (Original post)

Fri Jan 11, 2019, 11:13 AM

25. classic concern trolling.....

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Response to kstewart33 (Original post)

Fri Jan 11, 2019, 11:15 AM

26. Exasperated political blog tries to divide Democrats

Because if Dems fight each other, then Republicans win.

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Response to kstewart33 (Original post)

Fri Jan 11, 2019, 11:22 AM

31. Consider the source...


rocktivity

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Response to kstewart33 (Original post)

Fri Jan 11, 2019, 11:22 AM

32. I can only speak for myself...

Not concerned. What we see is fresh air, new blood, youthful zeal, change in the air or any cliche to characterize AOC.

Not interested in her for Prez so let her go. Right now she’s representing her constituents. They elected her. Leave her to that.

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Response to kstewart33 (Original post)

Fri Jan 11, 2019, 11:26 AM

33. Great article

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Response to kstewart33 (Original post)

Fri Jan 11, 2019, 11:28 AM

34. This headline smacks of Russians Bots. If dems keeps falling for these kinds of Bots

division the republicons wins. PEOPLES DON FALL FOR THE DIVISIVE HEADLINES
Remember this divisive headline of Bernie vs Hillary? this thread needs to be deleted.

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Response to bonniebgood (Reply #34)

Fri Jan 11, 2019, 11:32 AM

36. A number of Democratic members of Congress are quoted in that article. Are they Russian bots?

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Response to George II (Reply #36)

Fri Jan 11, 2019, 12:15 PM

49. It's the Democratic version of the RepubliCON "fake news" chant

It's not that they're Russian bots, they know they're not Russian bots, they just don't like the message so they pretend they are (or could be) Russian bots.

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Response to kstewart33 (Original post)

Fri Jan 11, 2019, 11:29 AM

35. I can see that very few who are bashing your OP have read the article. A number of Democrats....

Last edited Fri Jan 11, 2019, 12:04 PM - Edit history (1)

...in Congress have commented in the article, include two Congresswomen in abutting districts in Brooklyn and Queens, Nydia Velázquez and Grace Meng.

Some are being discounted and characterized as "right wing".

I can't believe it.

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Response to George II (Reply #35)

Fri Jan 11, 2019, 12:52 PM

55. Believe it AND expect many more assaults in the future.

There are a group of people who want what they want and if they cant get it they THEN want Democrats to lose.

WE KNOW this ...why in the FUCK cant we _ _ _ _ about it?

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Response to kstewart33 (Original post)

Fri Jan 11, 2019, 11:36 AM

37. Teamwork gets things done. She can do nothing alone.

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Response to kstewart33 (Original post)

Fri Jan 11, 2019, 11:37 AM

38. Maybe it's because...

...she makes the old guard look weak in the face of our national crisis which is Trump.

These are not normal times. The old way of doing things has been broken and not by new progressive Democrats.
She brings a knife and not a spoon to a knife fight----at long last. Go Ms. Cortez!!!!

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Response to zentrum (Reply #38)

Fri Jan 11, 2019, 11:44 AM

42. That's life

You don’t get to suffer a terrible loss without having some aspects of your world changed. Happens to us all; no one is immune, even tenured Congresspeople in safe seats.

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Response to zentrum (Reply #38)

Fri Jan 11, 2019, 11:51 AM

45. I don't see how she makes the "old guard" look weak. Nancy Pelosi looks stronger than ever.

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Response to kstewart33 (Original post)

Fri Jan 11, 2019, 11:39 AM

39. The media thrive on drama and conflict. And if they need to turn disagreements into conflicts and

AOC's left of center agenda into drama, they will gladly do so.

I will not be surprised to read, as soon as she votes with mainstream Democrats on anything, how AOC is selling her principles out. And it will probably be published by the same Politico.

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Response to kstewart33 (Original post)

Fri Jan 11, 2019, 11:54 AM

46. Nancy Pelosi has five children

and nine grandchildren...she knows how to corral Ms. Cortez when she needs to

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Response to agingdem (Reply #46)

Fri Jan 11, 2019, 12:38 PM

52. Well said! An excellent observation!



Pelosi's skills were clearly demonstrated to us the day she had to deal with the offshoot of the "Justice (Just us) Democrats" protest group and so much grandstanding. Pelosi was so kind and considerate to them (obviously not what they were anticipating) and that made the group look a bit foolish. Awkwarrrrd!

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Response to agingdem (Reply #46)

Fri Jan 11, 2019, 01:04 PM

60. "Nancy Pelosi knows how to corral Ms. Cortez when she needs to."

This 👆🏻👆🏻👆🏻

Which is why I'm not really worried nor pay much attention to AOC @ this time.

Secondly, Politico & The Hill = & & LIES, so I barely go to those two sites.

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Response to kstewart33 (Original post)

Fri Jan 11, 2019, 12:09 PM

48. More politico crap?

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Response to kstewart33 (Original post)

Fri Jan 11, 2019, 12:53 PM

56. AOC is Young and New at her Job, and She Will Make Missteps. We Still Need to Stick Together

The right-wing sees her as a threat and will begin their dirty tricks campaign to take her out. Let's not get fooled again. The cost is too high. As someone has said (who was taken out by right-wing dirty tricks [and the Russians]), we're stronger together.

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Response to dlk (Reply #56)

Fri Jan 11, 2019, 01:16 PM

67. Treating one's own party as some sort of "enemy" is more than just a "misstep"...

Treating one's own party as some sort of "enemy" is more than just a "misstep" and I don't care who does it. I'll push back against him or her regardless.

we're stronger together.
Indeed we are. All I'm saying here is that I don't understand why anyone would do things that create distrust and division. It's simply wrong to suggest that Democrats are do-nothings, or corrupt, or that Democrats don't care about climate change.

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Response to kstewart33 (Original post)

Fri Jan 11, 2019, 12:56 PM

57. Fuck TigerBeat on the Potomac.

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Response to kstewart33 (Original post)

Fri Jan 11, 2019, 01:11 PM

62. Politico.

With it's big shit-stirring paddle to help whip apart our Dem coalition.

Is there a day that goes by that this outfit DOESN'T post something about Democratic conflict, division, infighting?



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Response to kstewart33 (Original post)

Fri Jan 11, 2019, 01:14 PM

65. Maybe Bernie could have a talk with her. I understand that he's worked closely with Dems for years.

He caucuses with them, and votes with them.

He was even a superdelegate. Working within the system like that can get one places.

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Response to kstewart33 (Original post)

Fri Jan 11, 2019, 01:16 PM

68. Locking...

A consensus of Forum Hosts agrees this is analysis, appropriate for the General Discussions Forum, not LBN. Please post your OP in the General Discussions Forum

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