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DonViejo

(60,536 posts)
Mon Feb 11, 2019, 12:18 PM Feb 2019

Judiciary chairman criticizes fellow Democrat for treading in anti-Semitic 'hate'

Source: The Hill



BY BRETT SAMUELS - 02/11/19 11:03 AM EST

House Judiciary Committee Chairman Jerold Nadler (D-N.Y.) on Monday condemned fellow Democratic Rep. Ilhan Omar (Minn.), calling her tweets a day earlier that suggested a pro-Israel lobbying group was buying off lawmakers "deeply disappointing and disturbing."

Nadler, who is Jewish and represents one of the most Jewish Congressional districts in the country, accused Omar of trafficking in "old anti-Semitic tropes about Jews and money."

"Her words are deeply hurtful and offensive, particularly as they build on a previous comment she made about Jews 'hypnotizing' the world in support of Israel — another old trope born of hate-filled texts like the Protocols of the Elders of Zion," Nadler said in a statement.

“While of course our nation’s leaders are free to debate the relative influence of a particular organization on our country’s policy-making process, or the factors that make our system of governance imperfect, there is an expectation of leaders — particularly those with a demonstrated commitment to the cause of justice and equality — that they would be extremely careful not to tread into the waters of anti-Semitism or any other form of prejudice or hate," he continued. "Rep. Omar failed that test of leadership with these comments."

Read more: https://thehill.com/homenews/house/429401-judiciary-chairman-criticizes-fellow-democrat-for-treading-in-anti-semitic

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Judiciary chairman criticizes fellow Democrat for treading in anti-Semitic 'hate' (Original Post) DonViejo Feb 2019 OP
She's right. And whether it's pro-Israel, pro-Saudi, or pro-Niue doesn't matter in the least. sandensea Feb 2019 #1
I agree, watoos Feb 2019 #2
+1 sandensea Feb 2019 #3
No, she's not leftynyc Feb 2019 #5
AIPAC clearly represents a foreign interest wellst0nev0ter Feb 2019 #13
There is a HUGE difference leftynyc Feb 2019 #19
So you *are* going to engage in semantics football wellst0nev0ter Feb 2019 #20
Hey, if you consider the LAW leftynyc Feb 2019 #21
And nobody was talking about illegal activities wellst0nev0ter Feb 2019 #22
Those calling AIPAC a leftynyc Feb 2019 #24
+1 Power 2 the People Feb 2019 #25
AIPAC has a priority saidsimplesimon Feb 2019 #52
Actually America and Israel first wellst0nev0ter Feb 2019 #55
She is questioning the loyalty of Congressional Jews, and some seem to have blinders on to that still_one Feb 2019 #33
VERY disturbing leftynyc Feb 2019 #34
+1 sinkingfeeling Feb 2019 #18
Israel is well known to try to interefere in our elections, and regularly conducts espionage against getagrip_already Feb 2019 #4
Thank you Rep. Nadler! You speak for me, and many Democrats! tritsofme Feb 2019 #6
Same here leftynyc Feb 2019 #7
Yes, and it is absolutely disgusting. tritsofme Feb 2019 #10
You've been here almost as long leftynyc Feb 2019 #11
Same here RelativelyJones Feb 2019 #30
THAT IS STUPID. lancelyons Feb 2019 #31
Has she ever uttered, posted, or written anything anti-semitic? RVN VET71 Feb 2019 #8
She's only been in the national public eye for about a month. George II Feb 2019 #12
Rubbish. GeorgeGist Feb 2019 #9
If anyone could recognize anti-Semitism it is Jerrold Nadler. George II Feb 2019 #14
Nadler Uses Too Broad Of A Brush Here DallasNE Feb 2019 #15
What an idiot matt819 Feb 2019 #16
Agreed on the public arm-twisting BeyondGeography Feb 2019 #29
Israel's far right interests, watoos Feb 2019 #17
Quite the public smackdown madville Feb 2019 #23
Thanks Rep. Nadler. Call out these anti-Semitic tropes wherever they come from. RelativelyJones Feb 2019 #26
Leave it to DEMS to undermine their own good fortune. Unbelievable. lancelyons Feb 2019 #27
Calling out a pro israel group is NOT anti semitic. That is crazy. lancelyons Feb 2019 #28
Implying that people support Israsel leftynyc Feb 2019 #36
thats BULL CRAP. You can call out a lobbying group for paying off congress and its not anti semitic lancelyons Feb 2019 #42
The Israel Leader Benjamin Nentayahu is TERRIBLE... He has very bad ideas. lancelyons Feb 2019 #43
Bet all you want leftynyc Feb 2019 #44
She did not say Jews doing something as a result of getting paid. She said congress was doing thing lancelyons Feb 2019 #45
She's wrong about that also leftynyc Feb 2019 #46
BS its a lobbying firm and they spend alot to lobby the US Congress. lancelyons Feb 2019 #47
3.7 million is PEANUTS leftynyc Feb 2019 #49
You seem to be defending AIPIC quite well. lancelyons Feb 2019 #50
No, you're not an anti semite leftynyc Feb 2019 #53
That is my point. Im not sure from Omar's tweets that somebody can say they are anti semitic. lancelyons Feb 2019 #54
You can't understand leftynyc Feb 2019 #56
I dont see it and you are connecting DOTS that I dont believe she said. lancelyons Feb 2019 #48
It's so unusual to see so many Democrats rushing to the defence of OnDoutside Feb 2019 #32
Glad someone else noticed that. old guy Feb 2019 #35
How about supporting OUR leadership leftynyc Feb 2019 #37
Where did I say that ? OnDoutside Feb 2019 #39
Leftynyc is definitely defending AIPIC alot here. lancelyons Feb 2019 #51
If she's going to paint herself as the anti-Israel Muslim politician eissa Feb 2019 #38
The bigger issue is her frequently retweeting Glenn Greenwald tweets. OnDoutside Feb 2019 #40
Now on the other hand, if she made up conspiracy theories about George Soros... ck4829 Feb 2019 #41

sandensea

(21,624 posts)
1. She's right. And whether it's pro-Israel, pro-Saudi, or pro-Niue doesn't matter in the least.
Mon Feb 11, 2019, 12:26 PM
Feb 2019

The fact is that foreign (and industry) lobbying groups are and have been buying off lawmakers like pigs in a county fair.

That's just a simple fact.

 

watoos

(7,142 posts)
2. I agree,
Mon Feb 11, 2019, 12:29 PM
Feb 2019

there is a big difference between backing Israel in general and backing Bibi and his far right people.

 

leftynyc

(26,060 posts)
5. No, she's not
Mon Feb 11, 2019, 12:42 PM
Feb 2019

And the implication that people only support Israel because they're being paid to is disgusting. And AIPAC is NOT a foreign lobby group, they're American.

 

wellst0nev0ter

(7,509 posts)
13. AIPAC clearly represents a foreign interest
Mon Feb 11, 2019, 01:03 PM
Feb 2019

even if they are registered as a U.S. lobbying group.

You can engage in semantics gymnastics all you want, but it doesn't help to dissemble about what AIPAC's mission really is.

 

leftynyc

(26,060 posts)
19. There is a HUGE difference
Mon Feb 11, 2019, 02:01 PM
Feb 2019

in foreigners giving money to American politicians and Americans giving money to American politicians. That's not semantics, that's the LAW.

 

wellst0nev0ter

(7,509 posts)
20. So you *are* going to engage in semantics football
Mon Feb 11, 2019, 02:14 PM
Feb 2019

It's like you're incapable of arguing in good faith.

 

leftynyc

(26,060 posts)
21. Hey, if you consider the LAW
Mon Feb 11, 2019, 02:16 PM
Feb 2019

as semantics, knock yourself out. One is against the law and the other one isn't. Seems pretty simple.

saidsimplesimon

(7,888 posts)
52. AIPAC has a priority
Mon Feb 11, 2019, 05:46 PM
Feb 2019

Israel first, America second? There is no reason that both goals should create conflict. imo, silly me

 

leftynyc

(26,060 posts)
34. VERY disturbing
Mon Feb 11, 2019, 03:22 PM
Feb 2019

that people on the left are ignoring the obvious implication. Is this going to become like Great Britain where I would have no political home?

getagrip_already

(14,708 posts)
4. Israel is well known to try to interefere in our elections, and regularly conducts espionage against
Mon Feb 11, 2019, 12:40 PM
Feb 2019

To the point where close Israeli contacts are enough to cause security clearance problems.

There is nothing anti-Semitic in opposing foreign government interference or attempts to influence.

He sounds wrong on this issue. It's not just the russians that need to be watched.

tritsofme

(17,376 posts)
6. Thank you Rep. Nadler! You speak for me, and many Democrats!
Mon Feb 11, 2019, 12:42 PM
Feb 2019

Omar should be condemned in the strongest possible terms. I look forward to a primary challenge.

 

leftynyc

(26,060 posts)
7. Same here
Mon Feb 11, 2019, 12:45 PM
Feb 2019

And so many posters here are trying to make it about something its not. HER implication is that politicians only support Israel because they're getting paid for it which is what "It's all about the benjamins" means and everyone with a brain knows it. Now they're just trying to defend her by deflection, just the way degenerate donnie and his crew does.

tritsofme

(17,376 posts)
10. Yes, and it is absolutely disgusting.
Mon Feb 11, 2019, 12:54 PM
Feb 2019

The casual dropping, in multiple instances, of classic anti-Semitic tropes and canards is deeply disturbing, those defending it, even more so.

 

leftynyc

(26,060 posts)
11. You've been here almost as long
Mon Feb 11, 2019, 12:59 PM
Feb 2019

as I have so this isn't new to you either. If anyone had made a claim like "it's all about the terrorism' or "all about the subjugation of women" in reference to Muslims, this place would have gone up in flames. Only Islam gets a pass.

 

lancelyons

(988 posts)
31. THAT IS STUPID.
Mon Feb 11, 2019, 03:07 PM
Feb 2019

Calling out a Pro Israel group is not anti semitic.

Soon any criticism of Israle will be called anti semitic. THATS SO STUPID.

Anti Semitic is when you insult jewish people.

If I called out the actions of Netanyahu, doesnt mean I am anti semitic.

PLEASE STOP WIHT THE CRAZY.

RVN VET71

(2,690 posts)
8. Has she ever uttered, posted, or written anything anti-semitic?
Mon Feb 11, 2019, 12:47 PM
Feb 2019

I'm not asking to be snarky. I just haven't seen anything attributed to her that can be considered anti-semitic. Anti-Israel, yes. But anti-semitic? I haven't seen proof . . .not yet, anyway.

And Nadler, whom I otherwise respect and admire, is either speaking of something I haven't seen yet or is way off base accusing her of using "old anti-Semitic tropes about Jews and money." Her tweet, "It's all about the Benjamins" was a simple and obvious reference to McCarthy's Party's willingness to trade its political support for donations of money -- and no-one can deny AIPAC's influence on his and Republican as well as Democratic support of Israel. The tweet is intended to remind the objective reader that our politicians are, for the most part, whored out to big money donors in general.



DallasNE

(7,402 posts)
15. Nadler Uses Too Broad Of A Brush Here
Mon Feb 11, 2019, 01:19 PM
Feb 2019

The context of the statement is the corrosive affect money has on our politics and it is fair to point this out. The test is would he say the same thing if she had called out the NRA for giving large sums to lawmakers. I don't think so.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antisemitism

matt819

(10,749 posts)
16. What an idiot
Mon Feb 11, 2019, 01:24 PM
Feb 2019

Jewish politicians have a hard time separating Jewishness from Israel. I'm about ten years younger than Nadler, and I grew up in a Jewish neighborhood and went to Hebrew school (both not far from Nadler's). It was simply a given that Jewish = Israel and vice versa. When the various Jewish organizations knocked on our door to solicit donations, my parents gave money (not a lot - I think my father's salary at the time was around a whopping $10,000) and happily put the "I gave to the (fill in the blank)" sticker on the door. We celebrated Israel's National Day. That's just the way it was.

I suspect many Jews my age have left the fold - I left many, many years ago and count on my religious sibling to remind me of the holidays and to tell me what I should and shouldn't eat - though I'm sure many have stayed, and I'm doubly sure than any Jewish politician must - repeat, must - adhere to the equations noted above in their interactions with the Jewish community.

So, I understand where Nadler and other Jewish congresspeople are coming from, even the ones not from New York.

The "What an Idiot" in the title applies to the fact that they and Omar (and Ellison) are in the same party. It's not as if they will never meet or that they will never serve on the same committee. It is highly likely that their votes will overlap more than they will differ. It's not as if Omar, Ellison, and the other handful or non-Jewish and non-Christian members of Congress are from vastly different educational or social backgrounds. They are all well educated, professionals, and all were freely and fairly elected to Congress.

What I'm saying is, skip the public attacks. Talk to each other. I'm not suggesting a kumbaya moment, just talk and listen. It's not as if the Muslims and Buddhists and Hindus in the Democratic party are going to somehow stage a coup or form an anti-Jewish or anti-Christian coalition or caucus. Sure, they'll find that they disagree, but it may just stop the ad hominem attacks.

Yes, Nadler is a long-term politician and powerful in his own right as a result. Again, I'm not suggesting that all Democrats should or are going to agree on everything, but differences such as those highlighted by Nadler's comments, are perfect wedge opportunities for Republicans and, dare I say it, Russians. Someone - Pelosi? - needs to step in and sort this out before it gets out of hand.

 

watoos

(7,142 posts)
17. Israel's far right interests,
Mon Feb 11, 2019, 01:32 PM
Feb 2019

aren't always the best interests of the United States. Does my saying that make me anti- Semitic?

Bibi has aligned himself with the radicals in Saudi Arabia, Trump has aligned himself with the radicals in Saudi Arabia. The interests of Saudi Arabia are not always the best interests of the United States.

Trump is beholding to Saudi Arabia and he formulates our foreign policy in their best interests.

Not everyone in Israel wanted Trump to withdraw the U.S. from the nuclear peace deal, only the radical right wing of Israel wanted the U.S. to withdraw. Only the far right wing of Iran wanted the U.S. to withdraw from the Iran peace plan. Trump listened to Bibi and SA when he withdrew us from the peace plan which was a big mistake.

We better be careful. John Bolton is in a position of power, he and Bibi want us to invade Iran. I'm thinking that's not in the best interests of the U.S.

 

lancelyons

(988 posts)
27. Leave it to DEMS to undermine their own good fortune. Unbelievable.
Mon Feb 11, 2019, 02:53 PM
Feb 2019

This is why the GOP says the DEMS will find a way to shoot themselves in the foot.

This is crazy.

 

lancelyons

(988 posts)
28. Calling out a pro israel group is NOT anti semitic. That is crazy.
Mon Feb 11, 2019, 02:55 PM
Feb 2019

Now if you want to say anything bad about israel its anti semitic.

This is NUTS.

 

leftynyc

(26,060 posts)
36. Implying that people support Israsel
Mon Feb 11, 2019, 03:26 PM
Feb 2019

because they're being PAID to do it (which is EXACTLY what "it's all about the benjamins implies) is most certainly anti-semitic. I wouldn't presume to tell an African American what they should find bigoted and I expect the same courtesy from anyone who thinks they know what's anti-semitic but aren't Jewish.

 

lancelyons

(988 posts)
42. thats BULL CRAP. You can call out a lobbying group for paying off congress and its not anti semitic
Mon Feb 11, 2019, 03:54 PM
Feb 2019

I bet you think anybody saying anything bad about Israel is Anti Semtic.

the definition of antisemitism is

Antisemitism (also spelled anti-semitism or anti-Semitism) is hostility to, prejudice, or discrimination against Jews.

calling out a Pro Israel American lobbying group is not hostility or descrimination against Jews.

STOP PLEASE.

 

lancelyons

(988 posts)
43. The Israel Leader Benjamin Nentayahu is TERRIBLE... He has very bad ideas.
Mon Feb 11, 2019, 03:56 PM
Feb 2019

Does this mean I am anti semitic? NO

 

leftynyc

(26,060 posts)
44. Bet all you want
Mon Feb 11, 2019, 04:06 PM
Feb 2019

But I've posted DOZENS OF TIMES that I loathe bibi and the religious freaks in Israel. Implying Jews doing something as a result of getting paid is disgusting and I'm glad Speaker Pelosi sees that better than so many right here. The people in power see it for what it is and for that I'm grateful.

 

lancelyons

(988 posts)
45. She did not say Jews doing something as a result of getting paid. She said congress was doing thing
Mon Feb 11, 2019, 04:33 PM
Feb 2019

She did not say Jews doing something as a result of getting paid. She implied congress was doing things as a result of getting paid by AIPAC who lobbies for pro Israel policy.

The American Israel Public Affairs Committee is a lobbying group that advocates pro-Israel policies to the Congress and Executive Branch of the United States. The current President of AIPAC is Lillian Pinkus

If we NAACP was called out for lobbying and paying congressman, that would not be racism.

if that was the case, you could NEVER call out anything the NAACP did or it would be racist.

 

leftynyc

(26,060 posts)
46. She's wrong about that also
Mon Feb 11, 2019, 04:44 PM
Feb 2019

AIPAC isn't even in the top 50 of organizations giving money to congress. She's just trashing them because they're pro-Israel. If you don't see where accusing Jews of being money grubbing is a problem, I really don't know what to tell you.

 

leftynyc

(26,060 posts)
49. 3.7 million is PEANUTS
Mon Feb 11, 2019, 05:30 PM
Feb 2019

compared to other lobbyists. You really need to study this issue more if you think AIPAC is a big problem. Start with the NRA.

 

lancelyons

(988 posts)
50. You seem to be defending AIPIC quite well.
Mon Feb 11, 2019, 05:35 PM
Feb 2019

All of these firms spending large chunks of money on congress is something DEMS do not like or agree with. what gives with your defense?


Since I am calling out AIPIC am I exhibiting antisemitism?

 

leftynyc

(26,060 posts)
53. No, you're not an anti semite
Mon Feb 11, 2019, 05:50 PM
Feb 2019

(I don't think, certainly not for disliking AIPAC but I have zero idea what's in your heart). Money in politics is a decades long problem. I don't like one of the very few that support Israel getting all the heat, that's all.

 

lancelyons

(988 posts)
54. That is my point. Im not sure from Omar's tweets that somebody can say they are anti semitic.
Mon Feb 11, 2019, 06:05 PM
Feb 2019

All she did was slam the AIPCI and lobbying and money that corrupts congress.. We have all agreed that big money lobbying happens and should stop.

 

leftynyc

(26,060 posts)
56. You can't understand
Mon Feb 11, 2019, 08:29 PM
Feb 2019

It's a bit like the n word. Big difference when it comes from whites. I'll try and come up with a better comparison but that one isn't bad.

OnDoutside

(19,953 posts)
32. It's so unusual to see so many Democrats rushing to the defence of
Mon Feb 11, 2019, 03:11 PM
Feb 2019

the Republican House minority leader. It reminds me of the many times McCarthy rushed to Obama's defence....oh, wait a minute....

eissa

(4,238 posts)
38. If she's going to paint herself as the anti-Israel Muslim politician
Mon Feb 11, 2019, 03:31 PM
Feb 2019

she's going to have a short career.

OnDoutside

(19,953 posts)
40. The bigger issue is her frequently retweeting Glenn Greenwald tweets.
Mon Feb 11, 2019, 03:43 PM
Feb 2019

He's no friend of the Democratic Party.

ck4829

(35,045 posts)
41. Now on the other hand, if she made up conspiracy theories about George Soros...
Mon Feb 11, 2019, 03:46 PM
Feb 2019

She could probably be elected Senator and the Republicans would cheer her on.

Weird how that works.

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