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brooklynite

(94,493 posts)
Thu Feb 21, 2019, 02:54 PM Feb 2019

Pope Francis offers 21-point plan to counter sexual abuse by clergy

Source: The Hill

Pope Francis offered a 21-point plan to combat sexual abuse by members of the clergy during a church summit on Thursday at the Vatican.

The proposals, according to The Vatican's website, include new procedures to investigate accusations and protect victims, raising the minimum marriage age to 16, requiring clergymen found guilty of abuse to leave the ministry and requiring people who want to become priests to undergo psychological evaluations.

"I ask the Holy Spirit to sustain us throughout these days, and to help us to turn this evil into an opportunity for awareness and purification," the pontiff said in his opening remarks, according to a news release. "May the Virgin Mary enlighten us as we seek to heal the grave wounds that the scandal of paedophilia has caused, both in the little ones and in believers."

He called upon the Roman Catholic leaders at the conference to "listen to the Holy Spirit and, in docility to his guidance, hear the cry of the little ones who plead for justice."

Read more: https://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/430981-pope-francis-suggests-21-point-proposal-to-counter-clergy-abuse

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Pope Francis offers 21-point plan to counter sexual abuse by clergy (Original Post) brooklynite Feb 2019 OP
47of74 offers amendments to the plan. 47of74 Feb 2019 #1
I've got an idea frazzled Feb 2019 #2
Stop spending $$$ on lawyers Freddie Feb 2019 #3
The 21 points listed here. apnu Feb 2019 #4
I have a 3-point plan matt819 Feb 2019 #5
I have a 1-point plan LastLiberal in PalmSprings Feb 2019 #6
Make all churches pay taxes, dammit. lindysalsagal Feb 2019 #8
+1000 LastLiberal in PalmSprings Feb 2019 #18
make them all eunuchs. if they are really that serious about "taking the vow"... Javaman Feb 2019 #9
+1 Either that, or get rid of celibacy. nt SunSeeker Feb 2019 #12
Let them marry. There are likely lots of... Blue_playwright Feb 2019 #20
Exactly. And let WOMEN serve as priests. nt SunSeeker Feb 2019 #22
That would solve the priest shortage, for one thing jmowreader Feb 2019 #23
Not a female face in that crowd of old white men. Srkdqltr Feb 2019 #7
Point One: Turn them over to actual police. nt Hekate Feb 2019 #10
hey, frankie, how long have you known about these obscenities? how long has it taken you to DO niyad Feb 2019 #11
How come none of those 21 points involve calling the cops on abusers?!? SunSeeker Feb 2019 #13
I know! sakabatou Feb 2019 #15
Apparently the Holy Spirit's line is busy. lilactime Feb 2019 #14
I've got a two point plan. truthisfreedom Feb 2019 #16
Pedophiles may have to find a different preferred career that offers them less easy access to prey. JudyM Feb 2019 #17
1 point plan. Dem2theMax Feb 2019 #19
the plan is more lipstick on a pig; it does nothing to break up the insular environment diva77 Feb 2019 #21
 

47of74

(18,470 posts)
1. 47of74 offers amendments to the plan.
Thu Feb 21, 2019, 03:03 PM
Feb 2019

22. Tell Burke the jerk and that German Cardinal to fuck off with their "homosexual agenda" horseshit.
23. End mandatory celibacy and allow priests to marry.
24. Allow women to be ordained at all levels (deacons, priests, bishops, etc)

frazzled

(18,402 posts)
2. I've got an idea
Thu Feb 21, 2019, 03:07 PM
Feb 2019

Though not being Catholic, I probably shouldn't jump into the question at all. But here goes anyway: how about doing away with celibacy requirements? And how about allowing priests to marry or enter into monogamous relationships? Wouldn't that help?

I know that's not the total answer to curbing abuse, but it could reduce the number of such cases. And the problem is not just with "paedophilia," as we all know.

Freddie

(9,259 posts)
3. Stop spending $$$ on lawyers
Thu Feb 21, 2019, 03:12 PM
Feb 2019

Fighting extending the statute of limitations for rape. That alone tells me they only care about keeping their billions.

apnu

(8,754 posts)
4. The 21 points listed here.
Thu Feb 21, 2019, 03:14 PM
Feb 2019

1. To prepare a practical handbook indicating the steps to be taken by authorities at key moments when a case emerges.

2. To equip oneself with listening structures that include trained and expert people who can initially discern the cases of the alleged victims.

3. Establish the criteria for the direct involvement of the Bishop or of the Religious Superior.

4. Implement shared procedures for the examination of the charges, the protection of the victims and the right of defence of the accused.

5. Inform the civil authorities and the higher ecclesiastical authorities in compliance with civil and canonical norms.

6. Make a periodic review of protocols and norms to safeguard a protected environment for minors in all pastoral structures: protocols and norms based on the integrated principles of justice and charity so that the action of the Church in this matter is in conformity with her mission.

7. Establish specific protocols for handling accusations against Bishops.

8. Accompany, protect and treat victims, offering them all the necessary support for a complete recovery.

9. Increase awareness of the causes and consequences of sexual abuse through ongoing formation initiatives of Bishops, Religious Superiors, clerics and pastoral workers.

10. Prepare pathways of pastoral care for communities injured by abuses and penitential and recovery routes for the perpetrators.

11. To consolidate the collaboration with all people of good will and with the operators of mass media in order to recognize and discern real cases from false ones and accusations of slander, avoiding rancour and insinuations, rumours and defamation (cf. Pope Francis’ address to the Roman Curia, 21 December 2018).

12. To raise the minimum age for marriage to sixteen years.

13. Establish provisions that regulate and facilitate the participation of lay experts in investigations and in the different degrees of judgment of canonical processes concerning sexual and / or power abuse.

14. The right to defence: the principle of natural and canon law of presumption of innocence must also be safeguarded until the guilt of the accused is proven. Therefore, it is necessary to prevent the lists of the accused being published, even by the dioceses, before the preliminary investigation and the definitive condemnation.

15. Observe the traditional principle of proportionality of punishment with respect to the crime committed. To decide that priests and bishops guilty of sexual abuse of minors leave the public ministry.

16. Introduce rules concerning seminarians and candidates for the priesthood or religious life. Be sure that there are programs of initial and ongoing formation to help them develop their human, spiritual and psychosexual maturity, as well as their interpersonal relationships and their behaviour.

17. Be sure to have psychological evaluations by qualified and accredited experts for candidates for the priesthood and consecrated life.

18. Establish norms governing the transfer of a seminarian or religious aspirant from one seminary to another; as well as a priest or religious from one diocese or congregation to another.

19. Formulate mandatory codes of conduct for all clerics, religious, service personnel and volunteers to outline appropriate boundaries in personal relationships. Be specific about the necessary requirements for staff and volunteers and check their criminal record.

20. Explain all information and data on the dangers of abuse and its effects, how to recognize signs of abuse and how to report suspected sexual abuse. All this must take place in collaboration with parents, teachers, professionals and civil authorities.

21. Where it has not yet been in place, establish a group easily accessible for victims who want to report any crimes. Such an organization should have a certain autonomy with respect to the local ecclesiastical authority and include expert persons (clerics and laity) who know how to express the Church's attention to those who have been offended by improper attitudes on the part of clerics.

matt819

(10,749 posts)
5. I have a 3-point plan
Thu Feb 21, 2019, 03:15 PM
Feb 2019

Point 1: Don't abuse boys or girls. If you're not sure it's abuse, trust me, it's abuse.

Point 2: See Point 1.

Point 3: If you know of abuse, call the police.





lindysalsagal

(20,653 posts)
8. Make all churches pay taxes, dammit.
Thu Feb 21, 2019, 03:44 PM
Feb 2019

And open books to government scrutiny.

And the Vatican would allow roman police and investigators in if they were at all serious about accountability.

18. +1000
Thu Feb 21, 2019, 08:06 PM
Feb 2019

There are communities that have been devastated when a mega-church acquires a large amount of property for its campus. That takes the land off the property tax rolls, but the facility still requires all public resources, such as fire and police.

Javaman

(62,515 posts)
9. make them all eunuchs. if they are really that serious about "taking the vow"...
Thu Feb 21, 2019, 03:53 PM
Feb 2019

they would have no problem with this.

Blue_playwright

(1,568 posts)
20. Let them marry. There are likely lots of...
Thu Feb 21, 2019, 11:50 PM
Feb 2019

Practicing Catholics who would love to serve and can only be lay persons. That might fix some of the problems and widen the priest pool.

Srkdqltr

(6,270 posts)
7. Not a female face in that crowd of old white men.
Thu Feb 21, 2019, 03:23 PM
Feb 2019

They need WOMEN!!!!!! They need people of color. Use the millions there to fund good.

They need to get out of those stupid costumes (vestments.. yes I know) and wear real world clothes.

Tell all of them to stop molesting or you will be ousted and arrested and tried at their own expense.

niyad

(113,240 posts)
11. hey, frankie, how long have you known about these obscenities? how long has it taken you to DO
Thu Feb 21, 2019, 03:57 PM
Feb 2019

anything substantive about it?

how about the abuse of nuns by the priests?

how about the magdalene laundires?

truthisfreedom

(23,143 posts)
16. I've got a two point plan.
Thu Feb 21, 2019, 06:48 PM
Feb 2019

1) nobody can be a priest unless they’re married.
2) any member of the church accused of crimes must IMMEDIATELY be reported to the police.

diva77

(7,639 posts)
21. the plan is more lipstick on a pig; it does nothing to break up the insular environment
Fri Feb 22, 2019, 03:18 AM
Feb 2019

of the church - they only hire their own and anyone who gets out of line is disappeared. Go to any mass and you'd never know you were participating in an organization prone to widespread corruption and perversion - such topics are forbidden to be discussed. Make a peep during mass or forget to genuflect and you get stared down. Everyone continues to muddle along in deep denial or blissful ignorance. Clergy come and go but you never know the real reason. They need outsiders (people outside the faith) to come in and make the changes happen and make people accountable.

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