Sun Feb 24, 2019, 11:23 PM
sandensea (18,287 posts)
Oscars 2019: Green Book wins Best Picture
Source: Pitchfork
At the 2019 Academy Awards tonight, 'Green Book' picked up the Oscar for Best Picture. The film won over Bradley Cooper's 'A Star Is Born' (starring Lady Gaga), Spike Lee's 'BlacKkKlansman', the Queen biopic 'Bohemian Rhapsody', Marvel's 'Black Panther', 'Vice', 'ROMA', and 'The Favourite'. Earlier this year, Green Book won the Golden Globe for Best Motion Picture, Musical or Comedy. Directed by Peter Farrelly, Green Book is about Dr. Don Shirley (portrayed by Mahershala Ali), a pianist who recruits Tony 'Lip' Vallelonga (Viggo Mortensen) as his driver and security for a 1962 tour in the South. Ali also took home the award for Best Supporting Actor; this marks his second Academy Award following 2017's 'Moonlight' win. Read more: https://pitchfork.com/news/oscars-2019-green-book-wins-best-picture/ ![]()
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sandensea | Feb 2019 | OP |
brandnewday2009 | Feb 2019 | #1 | |
Salviati | Feb 2019 | #5 | |
dalton99a | Feb 2019 | #11 | |
SunSeeker | Feb 2019 | #51 | |
yardwork | Feb 2019 | #19 | |
Honeycombe8 | Feb 2019 | #23 | |
ananda | Feb 2019 | #27 | |
question everything | Feb 2019 | #2 | |
yardwork | Feb 2019 | #20 | |
redstateblues | Feb 2019 | #3 | |
frazzled | Feb 2019 | #4 | |
3Hotdogs | Feb 2019 | #22 | |
MaryMagdaline | Feb 2019 | #52 | |
PoindexterOglethorpe | Feb 2019 | #6 | |
AlexSFCA | Feb 2019 | #7 | |
MattP | Feb 2019 | #8 | |
YOHABLO | Feb 2019 | #9 | |
trackfan | Feb 2019 | #10 | |
LovingA2andMI | Feb 2019 | #12 | |
happy feet | Feb 2019 | #33 | |
LovingA2andMI | Feb 2019 | #39 | |
still_one | Feb 2019 | #13 | |
MicaelS | Feb 2019 | #34 | |
still_one | Feb 2019 | #35 | |
ananda | Feb 2019 | #14 | |
JustABozoOnThisBus | Feb 2019 | #15 | |
yardwork | Feb 2019 | #21 | |
JustABozoOnThisBus | Feb 2019 | #40 | |
Sherman A1 | Feb 2019 | #16 | |
obamanut2012 | Feb 2019 | #17 | |
Roy Rolling | Feb 2019 | #18 | |
melm00se | Feb 2019 | #24 | |
Honeycombe8 | Feb 2019 | #25 | |
SunSeeker | Feb 2019 | #37 | |
Honeycombe8 | Feb 2019 | #41 | |
samnsara | Feb 2019 | #26 | |
Honeycombe8 | Feb 2019 | #42 | |
roody | Feb 2019 | #28 | |
DrToast | Feb 2019 | #31 | |
SunSeeker | Feb 2019 | #50 | |
FailureToCommunicate | Feb 2019 | #29 | |
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MaryMagdaline | Feb 2019 | #53 | |
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DrToast | Feb 2019 | #30 | |
Honeycombe8 | Feb 2019 | #44 | |
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LanternWaste | Feb 2019 | #46 | |
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Response to sandensea (Original post)
Sun Feb 24, 2019, 11:44 PM
brandnewday2009 (287 posts)
1. Pretentious drivel
Blackklaansman deserved the Oscar.
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Response to brandnewday2009 (Reply #1)
Mon Feb 25, 2019, 12:13 AM
Salviati (5,862 posts)
5. The winning tweet about this:
Link to tweet Really messed up that Spike Lee lost to Driving Miss Daisy a second time three decades later |
Response to Salviati (Reply #5)
Mon Feb 25, 2019, 05:44 PM
SunSeeker (48,682 posts)
51. Green Book was nothing like Driving Miss Daisy. I saw both. Green Book deserved the Oscar. nt
Response to brandnewday2009 (Reply #1)
Mon Feb 25, 2019, 07:08 AM
yardwork (55,657 posts)
19. I completely agree. Once again white Hollywood picks the complacent route.
Response to brandnewday2009 (Reply #1)
Mon Feb 25, 2019, 08:10 AM
Honeycombe8 (37,648 posts)
23. I saw Blackklaansman.
It was really good. Excellent picture. But not a "best picture" winner, IMO.
I didn't see The Green Book, so can't say if that was the right choice. But instead of criticizing, maybe a nod to their community for voting for so many people of color as winners. The winners of the night were people of color, mainly Af. Americans. I doubt so many have won in prior years. And the winner of Best Picture was also a racism-issue movie. And winner of Best Supporting Actor from the same movie. And Best Original Screenplay for the same movie. Apparently The Green Book is a pretty good movie in the opinion of many. |
Response to Honeycombe8 (Reply #23)
Mon Feb 25, 2019, 08:41 AM
ananda (27,197 posts)
27. Agree about BKKK
I really liked Green Book better, though
I did think that BKKK was good, especially for the history. |
Response to sandensea (Original post)
Sun Feb 24, 2019, 11:46 PM
question everything (44,795 posts)
2. Saw it and liked it
Yes, some cliches about characters but they were believable.
And could not help wonder whether the bigoted racists of the south are now the deplorables. They would love Trump. |
Response to question everything (Reply #2)
Mon Feb 25, 2019, 07:09 AM
yardwork (55,657 posts)
20. Have you seen Blackkklansman? Awesome film.
Response to sandensea (Original post)
Mon Feb 25, 2019, 12:03 AM
redstateblues (10,554 posts)
3. Green Book was a well deserved winner.
BlackkKlansman was good though I was disappointed that the part of the of the story about the bomb at the end was not true though it made for a good movie
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Response to sandensea (Original post)
Mon Feb 25, 2019, 12:10 AM
frazzled (18,379 posts)
4. The NYT critics who were live blogging
were totally ragging on that win (especially the two of the three who are black). They were also incensed that they dragged John Lewis up to try to give some cred to the picture when it was introduced. They even were pissed that Richard E. Grant didn’t win for Best Supporting Actor (no offense to Mahershala). They kept worrying the whole time that Green Book would win best picture. It was kind of funny. (Best line: “ Congratulations to Driving Miss Daisy for being the first film to win Best Picture Oscar twice!”)
Green Book was one of the few films I hadn’t seen, and I probably won’t be rushing to do so anytime soon. |
Response to frazzled (Reply #4)
Mon Feb 25, 2019, 07:20 AM
3Hotdogs (9,708 posts)
22. It ain't bad. Its worth Netflix or discount movie night. Not full price, though.
Response to frazzled (Reply #4)
Mon Feb 25, 2019, 05:54 PM
MaryMagdaline (6,620 posts)
52. Saw Richard Grant. He and Melisss McCarthy had zero comedic chemistry.
Zero. I don’t know what happened on set but a very good script came out absolutely flat. Mahershala was believable in the role of Dr. Shirley. I thought Blsckkklsndman’s Adam Driver was best.
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Response to sandensea (Original post)
Mon Feb 25, 2019, 12:19 AM
PoindexterOglethorpe (23,974 posts)
6. Oh, good.
I don't watch the Oscars (no TV, although I suppose I might have found a site streaming it) because I have zero patience of the pretentiousness of the whole enterprise.
BlacKkKlansman was also good, and would have also made a great winner. To be honest, those were the only two of the nominated movies I saw. |
Response to sandensea (Original post)
Mon Feb 25, 2019, 12:27 AM
AlexSFCA (6,081 posts)
7. never heard of it
I was rooting for bohemian rhapsody, at least Rami got the oscar.
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Response to sandensea (Original post)
Mon Feb 25, 2019, 12:32 AM
MattP (3,304 posts)
8. Beale Street was better than all the nominated pics
Response to sandensea (Original post)
Mon Feb 25, 2019, 12:55 AM
YOHABLO (7,358 posts)
9. I'm really at the point where they should just give an Oscar to the top 5 movies. Why single one out
Response to sandensea (Original post)
Mon Feb 25, 2019, 01:24 AM
trackfan (3,650 posts)
10. It's the only one of the eight I haven't seen yet.
Of the ones I saw, BlacKkKlansman was my favorite.
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Response to sandensea (Original post)
Mon Feb 25, 2019, 02:07 AM
LovingA2andMI (7,006 posts)
12. Disgusting....
Maybe someone should have asked Don Shirley's family how they felt about this. Oh, wait....never mind, here you go....
“Green Book” has been most often compared not to “Crash” but to an older, more genteel best picture winner, 1989’s “Driving Miss Daisy,” another movie that attempted to bridge the racial divide through the story of a driver and his employer in the American South. “Driving Miss Daisy” was adapted from Alfred Uhry’s play; “Green Book” was co-written by Nick Vallelonga (with Brian Currie and Farrelly), drawn from the stories he heard from his father, Tony. The truth of those stories has been called into question by many, including Shirley’s family, which wasn’t consulted during production and which dismissed the movie as “a symphony of lies.”
Historical accuracy is, of course, just one criterion by which to judge a narrative drawn from real events, and a movie could theoretically play fast and loose with the facts and still arrive at a place of compelling emotional truth. Distortions and omissions can be interesting in what they reveal about a filmmaker’s intentions, and “Green Book,” whether you like it or not, does not have a particularly high regard for your intelligence. In its one-sided presentation and its presumptuous filtering of Shirley’s perspective through Vallelonga’s, the movie reeks of bad faith and cluelessly embodies the white-supremacist attitudes it’s ostensibly decrying." https://www.latimes.com/entertainment/movies/la-et-mn-oscars-green-book-worst-best-picture-winner-20190224-story.html Waiting on the day when Caucasians stop being "Black Folks" so-called savior, so-called films stop getting so-called "Best Picture" awards. Signed - Black America....Everywhere. |
Response to LovingA2andMI (Reply #12)
Mon Feb 25, 2019, 11:19 AM
happy feet (709 posts)
33. +1000000000
Yet again a civil rights movie with a white 'hero' and blacks seen through the lense of a white character. My mother, when asked what she thought about the movie, said "I was disappointed. I thought it was about the Green Book and Shirley. I remember hearing about Shirley, but they had nothing in the movie about the Green Book itself...how it came about, who used, aside from the one scene with the 'black' hotel and dysfunctional guests --- the reality is that many black people opened their private homes to singers, movie stars, politicians, etc. and served them home cooked meals as 'guests'. I was really disappointed having lived through some of that time. The movie wasn't worthy of the name - The Green Book."
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Response to happy feet (Reply #33)
Mon Feb 25, 2019, 01:47 PM
LovingA2andMI (7,006 posts)
39. No It Was Not Worthy of the Name....
Or ever being made into a movie. Agree with you Mom.....
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Response to sandensea (Original post)
Mon Feb 25, 2019, 03:48 AM
still_one (86,886 posts)
13. I will not see the Green Book, nor any movie with Mortensen or Sarandon
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Response to still_one (Reply #13)
Mon Feb 25, 2019, 12:33 PM
MicaelS (8,739 posts)
34. Sarandon I get. What the problem with Mortensen? n/t
Response to MicaelS (Reply #34)
Mon Feb 25, 2019, 12:45 PM
still_one (86,886 posts)
35. He voted for Jill Stein, but it isn't because of that. It is because both him and
Sarandon made a point to use their celebrity status to publicly try and influence others not to vote for the Democratic nominee.
For that matter I won't see a Eastwood movie either, especially after his NOT FUNNY, throat-slashing gesture toward President Obama. |
Response to sandensea (Original post)
Mon Feb 25, 2019, 04:54 AM
ananda (27,197 posts)
14. Love. Well deserved!
Imo
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Response to sandensea (Original post)
Mon Feb 25, 2019, 05:42 AM
JustABozoOnThisBus (22,580 posts)
15. I want to see all of the five.
I saw Black Klansman, pretty good.
I saw Roma, but it was many years ago. I look forward to the new one. ![]() |
Response to JustABozoOnThisBus (Reply #15)
Mon Feb 25, 2019, 07:11 AM
yardwork (55,657 posts)
21. It's a completely different movie.
Response to yardwork (Reply #21)
Mon Feb 25, 2019, 02:50 PM
JustABozoOnThisBus (22,580 posts)
40. I sure hope so. Fellini's Roma was, well, I just don't know. nt
Response to sandensea (Original post)
Mon Feb 25, 2019, 06:01 AM
Sherman A1 (38,958 posts)
16. Saw it and enjoyed it
I believe the award was well deserved.
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Response to sandensea (Original post)
Mon Feb 25, 2019, 06:04 AM
obamanut2012 (23,696 posts)
17. The second most weakest of the bunch
And, more than a bit white savior, and it was really straight-washed, too.
Beale Street should have won, but since it wasn't even nominated, The Favourite or Blackkkklansman should have. |
Response to sandensea (Original post)
Mon Feb 25, 2019, 06:21 AM
Roy Rolling (6,198 posts)
18. Other films were good
So was Green Book. It was an excellent film, despite its flaws.
Go see it, rent, or buy it and decide for yourself. Don't quote some estranged family member or say how you'll never see it because you know it's bad. That's bullsh*t. All you're doing is rattling off all the justifications for judging something without seeing it yourself. Lose the judgemental attitudes, movies are about "suspension of disbelief". My beliefs must be suspended, yours, too. It's a comedy, for Christsake, not a drama or documentary. Lighten up, Francis. |
Response to sandensea (Original post)
Mon Feb 25, 2019, 08:12 AM
melm00se (4,739 posts)
24. The flailing around
of a dying institution.
Traditional Hollywood is going to be supplanted by at home streaming services. Movie theaters' decades long stranglehold on entertainment dollars is going away. Home theaters offer far more advantages than movie theaters: - Big screens - home theater screens of 70"+ are becoming more common - Quality/high resolution - blu-ray and streaming offer near film quality and 4K will exceed that. - Audio quality - 5.1, 7.1 etc rival the theater "experience" - Comfort - your recliner, your couch etc can be more comfortable than theater seats.. With the added bonus of no children in R rated movies, no chuckleheads using their cellphones, no one putting their feet up on your seat, and no one blocking the screen because they are 6'6" and you are 5'5" and no 20 minutes of ads and "coming attractions". - Convenience - watch when you want. Need a bio-break? Pause it. Want something to eat/drink? Pause it. No $15 coke and popcorn. Couldn't understand what was said? Rewind and turn on close captioning. The real upside to this is 3+ hours of self indulgent, over ego'd, folks completely filled with more self-importance than they really bring to the table will be freed up to do other, more interesting things - - - like, I don't know, watching paint dry. |
Response to sandensea (Original post)
Mon Feb 25, 2019, 08:16 AM
Honeycombe8 (37,648 posts)
25. I'm just glad that arrogant Bradley Cooper's A Star Is Born was snubbed.
I couldn't believe that Lady Gaga was nominated for Best Actress for her first time doing an untrained acting bit. That was a slap in the face to all trained actresses, who have spent their time in the trenches and spent years becoming experienced at their craft.
I haven't liked Bradley Cooper ever since he pushed Liza Minellli out of the way so he could be in front for a group selfie that Ellen Degeneres did at the Oscars, when she hosted. And there he was in the selfie, right in front, smiling like a cheshire cat. He actually pushed Liza Minelli out of the way so he could be in front. I've since read that he's very arrogant, and that fits with what I saw. Can't stand him. |
Response to Honeycombe8 (Reply #25)
Mon Feb 25, 2019, 01:01 PM
SunSeeker (48,682 posts)
37. Eeeeeeeuuwww. Did not know that about Bradley Cooper.
Sounds like he did one of these to Liza:
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Response to SunSeeker (Reply #37)
Mon Feb 25, 2019, 03:59 PM
Honeycombe8 (37,648 posts)
41. Yeah, that's sort of how it was. I saw it real-time.
I thought I had not seen correctly, because who would do that? Liza Minnelli, an entertainment icon (who is older and not in good health)...being pushed aside so that someone can be front and center in Ellen's selfie? I later saw it again, and a reporter asked Liza about it. She was gracious. She said that, yes, he did that, but "you know, it's okay. I was surprised, but it's okay." It must have hurt her feelings that she was regarded to be "in the way."
Then I started thinking...you know, his career was just getting started when he took up with Renee Zellweger. Then his career shoots to the moon, and her drops. Then he dumps her. Hmmm. Then I read comments on the internet about winning the "most arrogant actor in America" award (it's not really an award...just what people in the biz think). And that jived with my impression. And may explain why they didn't vote for him for the Oscar. I just hate arrogant people. Maybe he'll get more humble, and start winning awards again. |
Response to sandensea (Original post)
Mon Feb 25, 2019, 08:25 AM
samnsara (16,807 posts)
26. of all the movies niminated I have only seen Bohemian R.....
….great movie!
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Response to samnsara (Reply #26)
Mon Feb 25, 2019, 04:03 PM
Honeycombe8 (37,648 posts)
42. I hadn't seen any of them! Oops--I saw BlackKklansman.
Last edited Mon Feb 25, 2019, 05:00 PM - Edit history (1) Blackkklansman was great.
I never heard of The Favourite. I think I'll see that one. Looks good. |
Response to sandensea (Original post)
Mon Feb 25, 2019, 08:52 AM
roody (10,840 posts)
28. The documentary Green Book is coming out on
Smithsonian channel. Its director calls the Hollywood version fiction.
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Response to roody (Reply #28)
Mon Feb 25, 2019, 10:29 AM
DrToast (6,414 posts)
31. Green Book is not a documentary
Bohemian Rhapsody also played loose with the facts. It happens.
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Response to DrToast (Reply #31)
Mon Feb 25, 2019, 05:40 PM
SunSeeker (48,682 posts)
50. Exactly. They're movies, not documentaries. They were not in the "Best Documentary" category.
They were in the Best Picture category. They told a compelling story, based on real events, but edited to make the story more dramatic and flow better, in the typical 3-act play structure of build-up, climax, resolution. Bohemian Rhapsody did an excellent job of doing that, which is why it won the Best Editing award, along with Sound and Best Actor.
There are plenty of Queen and Freddie Mercury documentaries on YouTube if that is what people want to see. |
Response to sandensea (Original post)
Mon Feb 25, 2019, 08:54 AM
FailureToCommunicate (13,284 posts)
29. Not to dis the winner, but this short bit by Seth Myers gives knowing context...
"The White Savior" promo:
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Response to FailureToCommunicate (Reply #29)
Mon Feb 25, 2019, 04:10 PM
Honeycombe8 (37,648 posts)
43. LOL! That's really funny. Is that a known actress?
Her expressions were priceless. Too funny.
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Response to Honeycombe8 (Reply #43)
Mon Feb 25, 2019, 06:19 PM
MaryMagdaline (6,620 posts)
53. She's s regular on the show, Amber Ruffin
Catch her bit Amber says ‘what’”? On YouTube
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Response to MaryMagdaline (Reply #53)
Mon Feb 25, 2019, 08:23 PM
Honeycombe8 (37,648 posts)
54. Will do. I loved her expressions. I'm laughing again, just thinking about them. nt
Response to sandensea (Original post)
Mon Feb 25, 2019, 10:27 AM
DrToast (6,414 posts)
30. Someone tell Spike Lee that nobody likes a sore loser
Movies are subjective. If people liked Green Book more, then you can't say they are wrong. It's what they liked!
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Response to DrToast (Reply #30)
Mon Feb 25, 2019, 04:12 PM
Honeycombe8 (37,648 posts)
44. Did he say something about it?
I was watching the Oscars, but I was also doing something at the same time. I thought I heard most of his speech, but maybe I missed something?
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Response to Honeycombe8 (Reply #44)
Mon Feb 25, 2019, 04:20 PM
DrToast (6,414 posts)
45. He complained after and he done so in the past too
Response to DrToast (Reply #45)
Mon Feb 25, 2019, 04:58 PM
Honeycombe8 (37,648 posts)
48. Oh, that's not bad. He didn't diss the other movie.
Just a humorous comment about him losing to someone driving, again. And then he joked that they changed the seating arrangement this time. It's just humor, like someone would say "Gosh, darn...Every time that other team gets the ball, we lose!" Doesn't mean anything, IMO.
I did see Blackkklansman. It was a great movie. |
Response to DrToast (Reply #30)
Mon Feb 25, 2019, 04:42 PM
LanternWaste (37,748 posts)
46. You're unable to do it yourself? Or merely unwilling?
Or do you simply realize the absurdity of your proposition and believe everyone but you should be responsible for "telling him...?"
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Response to LanternWaste (Reply #46)
Mon Feb 25, 2019, 05:21 PM
DrToast (6,414 posts)
49. So much for your journal...
Response to sandensea (Original post)
Mon Feb 25, 2019, 10:47 AM
mnhtnbb (30,327 posts)
32. For the first time in a long time I had seen all the movies nominated for Best Picture.
I sent a text to a friend at the start of the evening telling her I was rooting for an underdog--Green Book--to win Best Picture. And I would have been happy to see BlacKkKlansman win, too.
Roma? Too long and too boring. A Star is Born? Couldn't hold a candle to the Streisand/Kristofferson production, IMO. It was painful watching Cooper (much too pretty to be cast as an alcoholic has been musician) try to elicit a response from Gaga. I'm sorry, but she needs to stick to singing. Black Panther? Fun and about damn time for a comic book story with African American characters. Deserved many of the individual awards, but just didn't rise (no comic book flick does, IMO) to level of Best Picture. The Favourite? I LOVED it. Fabulous ensemble acting performances from Olivia Colman (nice to see her recognized, but was rooting for Glenn Close), Rachel Weisz, and Emma Stone. Wonderful costumes. Quirky story loosely based on history. Beautiful scenery/photography. Really lovely period piece with a twist. Bohemian Rhapsody? Well done biopic--with well earned recognition/award to Rami Malek--and always enjoyable music of Queen, but again, not at the level of Best Picture. Vice? OK, the make-up and performance of Christian Bale as that evil, heartless monster Cheney was scary. Just scary. He had the mannerisms and voice down. I was just graduating college during Watergate. I had not realized that Cheney was so closely linked to Rumsfeld when he was starting out in DC. So I learned something from the movie, but wouldn't want to see it again. For me, the movies that I would see again and again and that will hold up with time were Green Book and BlacKkKlansman. Masterful acting, fascinating stories, and I left the theater with something to think about and the desire to see each of them again. |
Response to mnhtnbb (Reply #32)
Mon Feb 25, 2019, 01:05 PM
hueymahl (2,057 posts)
38. Good Summaries
Personally, I liked BK better than GB, but both were excellent movies.
Agree about Roma. I'm apparently far to unsophisticated to appreciate its "greatness." Glad it did not win. I personally loved Star is Born, but then I have not seen the original. Black Panther was way a way overrated, derivative work. LOVE Rami Malek. Glad he won best actor. Have not seen Vice yet. All-in-all, there was no clear favorite for me this year. I'm fine with GB winning, though I would have preferred BK. |
Response to mnhtnbb (Reply #32)
Mon Feb 25, 2019, 04:55 PM
Honeycombe8 (37,648 posts)
47. The Favourite looked good. I'm going to see that one.
Maybe Vice, too.
The others, I can wait to see when they're free. |
Response to sandensea (Original post)
Mon Feb 25, 2019, 12:55 PM
SunSeeker (48,682 posts)
36. Saw Green Book and Bohemian Rhapsody and loved them both.
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