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Tue Mar 5, 2019, 03:10 PM

California transit agency allows ad from Holocaust denial group

Source: The Guardian

A San Francisco public transit agency has approved adverts from a group that promotes Holocaust denial and antisemitic views, claiming the organization has a “free speech” right to buy train station billboards.

Bay Area Rapid Transit (Bart) officials defended their decision to allow ads for the Institute for Historical Review (IHR), which the Southern Poverty Law Center (SPLC) has classified as a hate group that aims to “defend Nazism” and spread Holocaust denial propaganda.

The electronic billboards, which say “History Matters!” and provide the name of the California-based organization, are in rotation at two Bart stations in San Francisco. They come at a time when antisemitic incidents have accelerated at alarming rates in the US and across the world, and as far-right groups and neo-Nazis have increasingly pushed racist and fascist views under the guise of advocating for free speech.

“We cannot deny the ads,” a Bart spokeswoman, Alicia Trost, said in an interview on Tuesday, noting that the agency does not endorse the message or group. “You have to look at it for exactly what words are used and what images are used … There is plenty of case law and court rulings that show if you deny the ad, you can be taken to court, and you’ll lose, and that’s obviously costly.”


Read more: https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2018/sep/12/california-transit-agency-bart-ad-antisemitism

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Reply California transit agency allows ad from Holocaust denial group (Original post)
FiveGoodMen Mar 5 OP
Aristus Mar 5 #1
Auggie Mar 5 #2
marble falls Mar 5 #3
mahatmakanejeeves Mar 5 #5
saidsimplesimon Mar 5 #12
PoliticAverse Mar 5 #4
ripcord Mar 5 #6
PoliticAverse Mar 5 #7
Hulk Mar 5 #8
JustABozoOnThisBus Mar 5 #10
PoliticAverse Mar 5 #13
Hulk Mar 6 #16
Hulk Mar 5 #9
PSPS Mar 5 #11
brooklynite Mar 6 #18
Behind the Aegis Mar 5 #14
Haggis for Breakfast Mar 5 #15
brooklynite Mar 6 #19
Mosby Mar 6 #20
jcmaine72 Mar 6 #17

Response to FiveGoodMen (Original post)

Tue Mar 5, 2019, 03:13 PM

1. That sucks. But since BART is a public agency, they have to allow it.

I just hope civil rights groups will counter with public displays of their own decrying the Holocaust-deniers.

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Response to FiveGoodMen (Original post)

Tue Mar 5, 2019, 03:14 PM

2. Correction: they are now "electronic billboards subject to vandalism" (n/t)

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Response to FiveGoodMen (Original post)

Tue Mar 5, 2019, 03:39 PM

3. Do we have a Constitutional right to spread hate? And lies? I'd be willing to go to jail ...

for tearing one of those down.

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Response to marble falls (Reply #3)

Tue Mar 5, 2019, 03:42 PM

5. Yes. NT

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Response to marble falls (Reply #3)

Tue Mar 5, 2019, 05:21 PM

12. I've once asked the same question.

The response was as other members have already posted. Freedom of Speech is a pillar for our Constitutional Republic, so I'm told, that means even the most racist, bigoted, misogynistic, or antisemitic speech is protected.

There is also nothing to prevent anyone from protesting such speech, shaming the behaviour and attempting to inflict financial damage upon those who abuse others.

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Response to FiveGoodMen (Original post)

Tue Mar 5, 2019, 03:40 PM

4. Today's lesson in "The first amendment, what it compels". n/t

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Response to PoliticAverse (Reply #4)

Tue Mar 5, 2019, 03:45 PM

6. I wonder when the Klan's ad starts?

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Response to ripcord (Reply #6)

Tue Mar 5, 2019, 03:51 PM

7. From 2016 - KKK wins "Adopt-a-Highway" lawsuit in Georgia

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Response to FiveGoodMen (Original post)

Tue Mar 5, 2019, 03:55 PM

8. This just baffles the hell out of me...

How can someone deny the activities of Nazi Germany during World War II? This doesn't even make sense. They think it didn't happen??? Might as well deny the sun comes up and goes down each day.

By the same token, having this mythical belief seems to be of little threat to anyone who is a rational human being. Of course it happened. Documentation as well as first person verification should be enough proof to make these deniers look like bat shit crazy fools.

Please let me know what I am missing.

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Response to Hulk (Reply #8)

Tue Mar 5, 2019, 04:06 PM

10. Just deny it. Then deny it again.

It seems to work for Turkey, denying the Armenian genocide.

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Response to Hulk (Reply #8)

Tue Mar 5, 2019, 05:35 PM

13. Did you know there are peoole that think the earth is flat?...

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Response to PoliticAverse (Reply #13)

Wed Mar 6, 2019, 02:13 AM

16. Oh, sure...but are they a serious threat to anyone with a sound intelligence

I know there are all sorts of religious wackos...the earth is 6 million years old, etc, etc, etc, etc. Some pretty crazy shit.

I guess my point is they are nuts. I know it's an insult to reality...but ...I just thinks its so asinine. Like if I drink gasoline I'll be able to run faster.

Guess I have no point other than it is so damned absurd to even give them attention.

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Response to FiveGoodMen (Original post)

Tue Mar 5, 2019, 03:56 PM

9. Just permit riders to paste over them.

Can the transit system be held liable if patrons chose to do that??

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Response to FiveGoodMen (Original post)

Tue Mar 5, 2019, 04:22 PM

11. Why have advertising in the BART stations at all?

In other words, they'll do (allow) anything for money.

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Response to PSPS (Reply #11)

Wed Mar 6, 2019, 08:02 AM

18. How much are you willing to pay for a transit fare?

Transit agencies charge customers 50% or less of the actual cost.

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Response to FiveGoodMen (Original post)

Tue Mar 5, 2019, 05:54 PM

14. As more of the survivors die, this will become worse.

As it is, many don't understand the Holocaust, and too many (IMO) don't even know about the Holocaust, so revisionism and denialism are going to become more prevalent. Then, there is the anti-Semitism of it all, which is on the rise and barely gets noticed until a bunch of us are gunned down, then it is quickly forgotten and it is back to business as usual hoo-hooing about anti-Semitism being called out, until it leads to the inevitable..."The Jews did it!"

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Response to FiveGoodMen (Original post)

Tue Mar 5, 2019, 09:36 PM

15. Free speech is one thing.

This is another altogether.

It is the complete denial of an historical event that is so well-documented that there is no sane, rational or intelligent argument that can be made to refute what happened. It is an attempt to diminish the barbaric savagery that one group of deranged people visited upon another group of people they considered inferior and therefore treated them without any human compassion or empathy.

I look upon such people who deny the Holocaust as deeply mentally- or emotionally- disturbed people who do not deserve to be engaged or validated in any way. I refuse to waste even a nano of my time on such intentional stupidity. I feel the same way about these Q Anon buffoons.

There will come a time when we will be forced to stop the proliferation of this garbage.

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Response to Haggis for Breakfast (Reply #15)

Wed Mar 6, 2019, 08:05 AM

19. No, free speech is THE thing...

If you're not willing to accept free speech that you disagree with (or even despise), you're applying a personal subjective standard on what's acceptable, and if you can do that, so can others. If a pro-Palestinian ad (yes, they exist) was blocked for being politically controversial, how would you feel?

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Response to brooklynite (Reply #19)

Wed Mar 6, 2019, 04:55 PM

20. When did free speech become an ad buy?

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Response to FiveGoodMen (Original post)

Wed Mar 6, 2019, 05:12 AM

17. Hate speech is not free speech.

It is violence.

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