Arkansas, Utah lawmakers pass 18-week abortion bans
Source: CBS News/The AP
MARCH 14, 2019 / 7:43 AM / AP
Lawmakers in Arkansas and Utah sent their governors legislation Wednesday banning most abortions 18 weeks into a woman's pregnancy, moving the states closer to enacting bans that could be among the strictest in the country.
The Arkansas House gave final approval by an 86-1 vote to the bill there, which Republican Gov. Asa Hutchinson has said he supports. Arkansas already bans abortion 20 weeks into a woman's pregnancy. Hutchinson told reporters he believed the restriction would likely survive a court challenge.
"It's within the second trimester that states are allowed to pass restrictions on, and this, with the science we have today it seems like a very appropriate restriction," Hutchinson said shortly before the measure passed the House.
The House had approved an earlier version of the bill and on Wednesday backed an amendment adding exceptions for rape and incest. The measure already included an exception for medical emergencies.
Read more: https://www.cbsnews.com/news/arkansas-utah-lawmakers-pass-18-week-abortion-bans/
BumRushDaShow
(128,748 posts)They are basically nothing more than traffickers.
Honeycombe8
(37,648 posts)Utah's version has exceptions for rape, incest, life of the mother, and fatal fetal defects. Although I'm strongly pro-choice, I'm okay with Utah's version. Medicine has progressed so far in recent years that a fetus can actually survive when prematurely born at several months. Part of Roe v Wade's decision, as I recall, was that the breaking point of when a fetus becomes a human being, that is, when it can survive outside the womb (fetal viability), even with artificial assistance. At that time years ago, that point was 6 months. It's shorter, now.
I think this will be challenged in court, so we'll see if it stands. I'd prefer this to be decided by non-partisan judges. I think the Arkansas version will have to include exceptions to protect the mother's life and health, and Utah's version will have to include protections for the mother's health (not just her life).
Planned Parenthood v. Casey, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Planned_Parenthood_v._Casey
Under this new fetus viability framework, the plurality held that at the point of viability and subsequent to viability, the state could promote its interest in the "potentiality of human life" by regulating, or possibly proscribing, abortion "except where it is necessary, in appropriate medical judgment, for the preservation of the life or health of the mother."[19] Prior to fetus viability, the plurality held, the State can show concern for fetal development, but it cannot pose an undue burden on a woman's fundamental right to abortion.[20] The plurality reasoned that the new pre- and post-viability line would still uphold the essential holding of Roe, which recognized both the woman's constitutionally protected liberty, and the State's "important and legitimate interest in potential life."[21]
moriah
(8,311 posts)Because they may have been making it the same as our previous 20-week ban, just claiming it was "18 weeks post conception" vs "20 weeks vs LMP".
The right love to lower the week numbers and add all sorts of restrictions, so it looks like they're "making progress" without necessarily adding any real protections for anyone -- mother or fetus.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)At some point as gestation advances, there are two people to consider, and fetal medicine advances mean the age of viability, Which our current abortion law is tied to, is only going to get lower.
moose65
(3,166 posts)As an ignorant man, what I always wonder is, is it possible to pinpoint the length of the pregnancy that accurately? When does a pregnancy become a pregnancy? Can it be nailed down to an exact number of weeks? How are these laws worded, anyway? What if someone was 17 weeks and 5 days along? I just don't see how they can be measured so accurately!
Honeycombe8
(37,648 posts)In the beg. the age is overestimated. The doctor knows that the last time you had your period you weren't pg. So he estimates from that time as the age, in the very beginning.
Later on, there are ultrasounds and such, so doctors can pinpoint the age w/more accuracy, giving an est. date of birth.
So if anything, the age of the fetus is probably usually overestimated by a couple of weeks in the beginning. As time progresses, the doctor can get even closer to the exact age.
(I'm speaking of normal fetuses and healthy patients.)
moriah
(8,311 posts)Guess what they don't consider "rape" for this abortion law:
1) Statutory rape unless the victim is 13 years old or younger
2) Who voluntarily gets drunk, unless they are totally unconscious
So yeah, if your 14 year old gets knocked up by a 25 year old.. apparently, according to this law, they're perfectly ready to bear a child and shouldn't feel "raped", even though the "father" will still be sent to jail.