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DonViejo

(60,536 posts)
Thu Apr 4, 2019, 08:25 AM Apr 2019

Child Brides in Africa Are Advertised on Facebook and Sold to Old Men

Source: The Daily Beast


In one Nigerian community, illiterate fathers have learned from their sons that Facebook is a good way to let buyers know their daughters are for sale.

Philip Obaji Jr.
04.04.19 4:57 AM ET

OBANLIKU, Nigeria—Monica, 16, is one of two sisters sold as wives to men who found their photographs on their father's Facebook page and contacted him. She and her 14-year-old younger sister never wanted to get married until they completed their secondary education in Ogbakoko, a small village in Obanliku Local Government Area in Nigeria’s south-central Cross River state. But the teenage sisters fell victims to a culture which subjects little girls, some as young as 10, to de facto slavery through a tradition called “money marriage.”

The sisters belong to the Becheve community, a large tribe of 17 villages in Obanliku where there is a long tradition in which young girls—often referred to as “money women” or “money wives”—are sold in exchange for food or livestock or cash, or to settle debts.

Like hundreds, or perhaps thousands, of girls from the Becheve clan who are victims of money marriages, Monica and her sister were sold without their consent. Their father wanted to clear the debt he owed to a distant relative. The two sisters got married a month apart to men whom they did not know at all and who were old enough to be their grandfathers.

Their respective husbands got in touch with their father after seeing the Facebook page where he posted photos of his six daughters to draw the attention of his tribesmen. The men of the clan have found the new technology helps to extend and expand their old, exploitative traditions.


Read more: https://www.thedailybeast.com/child-brides-in-africa-are-advertised-on-facebook-and-sold-to-old-men?ref=home

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Child Brides in Africa Are Advertised on Facebook and Sold to Old Men (Original Post) DonViejo Apr 2019 OP
Sounds a lot like the trump "modelling" agency nt DirtEdonE Apr 2019 #1
Do the girls have ANY recourse? leftynyc Apr 2019 #2
Folks, child marriage is nothing new or just restricted to one Nigerian clan. Its been going on for progree Apr 2019 #3
Have the fathers been marketing their daughters on FB for "countless millenia"? Good breaking DonViejo Apr 2019 #4
Nope, that's not news either. Try "child marriages facebook" progree Apr 2019 #6
It's news when it breaks into the public-at-large...I'm guessing not many people spend their time DonViejo Apr 2019 #8
Example: Facebook criticised for post promoting child bride auction, November 21, 2018 progree Apr 2019 #9
Any idea how long that post remained on facebook even after they became aware of it? Sapient Donkey Apr 2019 #18
Several days, according to the Guardian article in #9 progree Apr 2019 #19
The article says it was up for several days Sapient Donkey Apr 2019 #20
That's good to know. And glad to read FB also banned the user that posted it progree Apr 2019 #21
I didn't say ads for child brides were appearing on my FB page. Nice strawman attack though and progree Apr 2019 #10
Attack? Oh, please... DonViejo Apr 2019 #11
That's quite a stretch there. Another debating trick being called out. That information about progree Apr 2019 #13
Yeah, yeah, yeah, trying to conduct a discussion with you is an attack, using a "debating trick"... DonViejo Apr 2019 #14
Lots of debating tricks. Not just one. Best wishes to you too. progree Apr 2019 #15
The "ads" I see of a dubious nature are spam postings made on Facebook groups I belong to progree Apr 2019 #12
In the article, typically the father has a personal FB page and posts pictures of his daughters progree Apr 2019 #17
Can Fakebook stop this? BigmanPigman Apr 2019 #5
Should Facebook stop this? JustABozoOnThisBus Apr 2019 #7
Difficult task for social media sites to combat this Sapient Donkey Apr 2019 #16
How about we stop Child Marriage in the US GulfCoast66 Apr 2019 #22
Didn't know was this bad: Bangladesh - nearly a third of girls being married before the age of 15 progree Apr 2019 #23
Message auto-removed Name removed Apr 2019 #24
Big clash Aussie105 Apr 2019 #25
That shit needs to stop Demovictory9 Apr 2019 #26

progree

(10,890 posts)
3. Folks, child marriage is nothing new or just restricted to one Nigerian clan. Its been going on for
Thu Apr 4, 2019, 03:13 PM
Apr 2019

countless millenia throughout the world and is still very widespread. Good feature piece though.

https://www.google.com/search?q=child+marriage&oq=child+marriage&aqs=chrome..69i57j0l5.2544j1j7&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8

DonViejo

(60,536 posts)
4. Have the fathers been marketing their daughters on FB for "countless millenia"? Good breaking
Thu Apr 4, 2019, 03:30 PM
Apr 2019

news that FB is being used this way.

progree

(10,890 posts)
6. Nope, that's not news either. Try "child marriages facebook"
Thu Apr 4, 2019, 03:44 PM
Apr 2019

Everything is advertised on Facebook, and don't get taken down until they are reported and some Facebook contractor has the time to look at it. That this is new to some people astonishes me.

DonViejo

(60,536 posts)
8. It's news when it breaks into the public-at-large...I'm guessing not many people spend their time
Thu Apr 4, 2019, 04:00 PM
Apr 2019

running to FB to search for "child marriages." Before today, and before doing a search on FB, how many ads for child brides have appeared on your FB page? Moreover, why are ads for child brides appearing on your FB page? I never see any type ad for anything on my FB page.

Sapient Donkey

(1,568 posts)
18. Any idea how long that post remained on facebook even after they became aware of it?
Thu Apr 4, 2019, 05:02 PM
Apr 2019

If they left it up even after it became viral and known to them, I'd be curious to hear their rational for not removing the post to the auction site.

progree

(10,890 posts)
19. Several days, according to the Guardian article in #9
Thu Apr 4, 2019, 05:12 PM
Apr 2019
but it took several days for Facebook to remove the post that first promoted the auction. After it was taken down, other posts “glorifying” the auction remained, said George Otim, country director for Plan International South Sudan.

... Facebook did not reply to a request for comment.


That's all I "know"

Sapient Donkey

(1,568 posts)
20. The article says it was up for several days
Thu Apr 4, 2019, 06:18 PM
Apr 2019

I'm curious how long facebook employees were aware of the post. That seems less clear.

This article suggests they took it down as soon as they became aware of it.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6411511/Facebook-hosted-South-Sudanese-child-bride-auction-site.html

progree

(10,890 posts)
21. That's good to know. And glad to read FB also banned the user that posted it
Thu Apr 4, 2019, 06:34 PM
Apr 2019

Last edited Thu Apr 4, 2019, 10:54 PM - Edit history (1)

The site immediately took the post down and banned the user who posted the auction, which Facebook classified as human trafficking


Sad that it took from October 25 to November 9 (15 days) before they became aware of it. I agree with your post #16 (and my #17) that it can be difficult to detect if nobody alerts on it, and even then, according to the Frontline documentary, "Facebook Dilemma" the Facebook contractors are supposed to go through hundreds of alerts per hour-- oh, I forget the number they said -- to judge "ignore" (ignore the alert) or "delete".

progree

(10,890 posts)
10. I didn't say ads for child brides were appearing on my FB page. Nice strawman attack though and
Thu Apr 4, 2019, 04:08 PM
Apr 2019

putting words in peoples' mouths.

Moreover, why are ads for child brides appearing on your FB page? I never see any type ad for anything on my FB page
.

DonViejo

(60,536 posts)
11. Attack? Oh, please...
Thu Apr 4, 2019, 04:20 PM
Apr 2019

maybe they aren't appearing on your page but, how can you make this type of comment:

Nope, that's not news either. Try "child marriages facebook"

Everything is advertised on Facebook, and don't get taken down until they are reported and some Facebook contractor has the time to look at it.

progree

(10,890 posts)
13. That's quite a stretch there. Another debating trick being called out. That information about
Thu Apr 4, 2019, 04:23 PM
Apr 2019

deplorable Facebooks postings of all kinds has been covered by many news articles and a couple of recent Frontline documentaries. That in no way, no shape, and no form means I've seen child marriage ads.

Really.

why are ads for child brides appearing on your FB page?

DonViejo

(60,536 posts)
14. Yeah, yeah, yeah, trying to conduct a discussion with you is an attack, using a "debating trick"...
Thu Apr 4, 2019, 04:25 PM
Apr 2019

I'm done. Have a GREAT evening and an even better weekend.

progree

(10,890 posts)
12. The "ads" I see of a dubious nature are spam postings made on Facebook groups I belong to
Thu Apr 4, 2019, 04:22 PM
Apr 2019

Last edited Thu Apr 4, 2019, 05:43 PM - Edit history (1)

I regularly monitor about 7 legitimate Facebook groups -- and how long these spam postings stay posted varies a lot.

Just to clarify what kind of "ads" I mean.

progree

(10,890 posts)
17. In the article, typically the father has a personal FB page and posts pictures of his daughters
Thu Apr 4, 2019, 05:00 PM
Apr 2019

on his personal FB page (or more often, according to the article, it's a younger more tech-savvy member of the family that sets up the Facebook page etc., but it's on the father's behalf).

It didn't get into detalis of the wording that went with the pictures, could have been kind of subtle, and people who are his relatives, friends, neighbors, and clan members would understand. Anyway, its something only people who know the father is likely to see -- people just checking on various friends and neighbors -- "I wonder how cousin Oluja is doing" ... and then sees the daughters' pictures, with wording like, "looking for an older man to marry" and knowing what its really about.

Edited to ad -- darn, Sapeint Donkey beat me with the same idea, and a much better post too https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1014&pid=2298293

JustABozoOnThisBus

(23,321 posts)
7. Should Facebook stop this?
Thu Apr 4, 2019, 03:44 PM
Apr 2019

Facebook is bringing expediency to customs and mores that have served the tribe and its neighbors for a long time. My feeling is that we should indeed force our sense of propriety and decency on them. Of course, their feeling may be that they should force their sense of propriety and decency on the United States.

We have more weapons, so "might makes right", right?

And, I can't believe that this tribe's matchmaking network makes a big difference to Facebook's profits or losses.

Sapient Donkey

(1,568 posts)
16. Difficult task for social media sites to combat this
Thu Apr 4, 2019, 04:42 PM
Apr 2019

Automatic flagging of posts with certain characteristics and behaviors of users is possible and likely something they are or will be doing, but this will mean there will need to be people dedicated to updating the algorithms and rules as people doing it adapt by using more cryptic methods. This also means they will have to become more invasive on private conversations. For example, let's say a father posts photo and the intent of what he is doing is inferred for whatever reason. So maybe facebook notices the father posted photos girls within a certain age range using some automatic detection. So facebook flags that account and continues to monitor behavior such as receiving unsolicited messages from people outside of his network. Which in turn would lead to facebook processing the private messages from the father and these people. Then ultimately to actual people who would do a review to confirm what the system thinks it detected.

My half-baked idea above is probably oversimplified, but I think it illustrates the general idea of what sort things need to be done to stop this. When we say facebook needs to do something. We're asking them to invade our privacy even more than they already are. I'm personally fine with that because I don't do/say anything online that I don't want anyone to know unless I have full control over what I am doing. I also don't really see any other way to prevent this from being facilitated by these social media platforms. They have to do creepy stuff to prevent it from happening. However, I know not everyone shares that sentiments and that's something these companies have to deal with.

GulfCoast66

(11,949 posts)
22. How about we stop Child Marriage in the US
Thu Apr 4, 2019, 09:48 PM
Apr 2019

Before we get too bent about it in Africa.

It’s horrible anywhere, but we have no room to talk.

progree

(10,890 posts)
23. Didn't know was this bad: Bangladesh - nearly a third of girls being married before the age of 15
Thu Apr 4, 2019, 10:52 PM
Apr 2019

I didn't know it was this bad. Definitely not just an African thing. (And, in fairness, as GulfCoast66 pointed out, we have it in the U.S. too)

https://news.yahoo.com/climate-change-blights-childrens-lives-bangladesh-010750599.html

Bangladesh currently has one of the world's highest rates of child marriage with nearly a third of girls being married before the age of 15


That's from AFP 4/4/19 today in an article about climate change's affects on Bangladesh children.

Climate change blights children's lives in Bangladesh, AFP, April 4, 2019

Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Aussie105

(5,324 posts)
25. Big clash
Fri Apr 5, 2019, 12:32 AM
Apr 2019

between social customs and the rights of the individual.

Girls are just worth less in some cultures than others. Not right by Western standards of course, but is it Facebook's job to enforce Western standards on others?
The child-bride thing has been going on for centuries, all around the world. It's just that social media has made it more visible.

It's pretty much a free for all, no holds barred, no standards set, on most social media. Facebook, Twitter, etc.



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