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Mon Apr 15, 2019, 01:15 PM

BREAKING ON MSNBC: Notre Dame Cathederal in Paris is on fire.

Last edited Mon Apr 15, 2019, 01:47 PM - Edit history (1)

Source: MSNBC

Just showed a quick video and returning to full coverage.

Read more: NBC VIDEO LINK: https://www.nbcnews.com/news/europe/notre-dame-cathedral-paris-engulfed-flames-n994646



Watching and waiting for up-dates.

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Reply BREAKING ON MSNBC: Notre Dame Cathederal in Paris is on fire. (Original post)
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Response to TruckFump (Reply #1)

Mon Apr 15, 2019, 04:17 PM

74. Live Video

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Response to TruckFump (Original post)

Mon Apr 15, 2019, 01:19 PM

2. Noooooooo!!!!!

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Response to Jeroen (Reply #2)

Mon Apr 15, 2019, 01:21 PM

5. Twitter has all sorts of videos

Looks bad, really bad.

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Response to TruckFump (Reply #5)

Mon Apr 15, 2019, 01:30 PM

19. Yes, it does. n/t

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Response to Post removed (Reply #3)

Mon Apr 15, 2019, 01:23 PM

9. Bookmarking. n/t

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Response to rzemanfl (Reply #9)

Mon Apr 15, 2019, 01:26 PM

14. Looks like it was alerted and removed. Good!

I am an atheist but I sure as hell won't knock someone's religion when people are hurting over this.

And the loss of such an important piece of architecture and history is just devastating.

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Response to rzemanfl (Reply #9)

Mon Apr 15, 2019, 01:26 PM

15. As Emily Litella used to say....."never mind!"

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Response to TruckFump (Original post)

Mon Apr 15, 2019, 01:20 PM

4. OMG, how awful!

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Response to TruckFump (Original post)

Mon Apr 15, 2019, 01:21 PM

6. Tragic. Hope contained and minimal damage??

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Response to Evolve Dammit (Reply #6)

Mon Apr 15, 2019, 02:19 PM

47. I was reading elsewhere that it is out of control

Expected to be a total loss.
I'm floored.

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Response to TruckFump (Original post)

Mon Apr 15, 2019, 01:21 PM

7. Oh, heavens NO! That place is magical--even for then non-religious.

I loved going there and just sitting and absorbing. Few places bring as much peace...

I hope beyond hope this is contained.

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Response to TruckFump (Original post)

Mon Apr 15, 2019, 01:22 PM

8. Notre Dame cathedral on fire




Notre Dame cathedral has caught fire, according to the Parisian fire service and eyewitnesses.

Footage posted online shows a large fire engulfing the upper part of the cathedral.

A major operation was under way, the fire department added, while a city hall spokesman said on Twitter that the area was being cleared.

This is a breaking news story. More to follow.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2019/04/15/notre-dame-cathedral-fire/

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Response to TruckFump (Original post)

Mon Apr 15, 2019, 01:23 PM

10. Terrible.

I hope they can contain it.

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Response to TruckFump (Original post)

Mon Apr 15, 2019, 01:24 PM

11. WaPo had a breaking

Paris’s Notre Dame Cathedral is on fire, official confirms
By Washington Post Staff
April 15 at 1:21 PM

Smoke could be seen emanating from the iconic building in the center of the city.
This is a developing story. It will be updated.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/world/wp/2019/04/15/pariss-notre-dame-cathedral-is-on-fire-official-confirms/?utm_term=.b7cf3703b472

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Response to TruckFump (Original post)

Mon Apr 15, 2019, 01:25 PM

12. I am about as far

from being religious as it's possible to be but this is a terrible thing. Notre Dame Cathedral is not just for Catholics or even a religion , its a treasure for the whole world. That looks bad too.

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Response to BigOleDummy (Reply #12)

Mon Apr 15, 2019, 01:28 PM

16. Totally agree.

It is a beautiful place and it is horrifying to see it on fire.

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Response to TruckFump (Original post)

Mon Apr 15, 2019, 01:25 PM

13. Nothing yet from Pompiers de Paris

https://twitter.com/pompiersparis?lang=en

Or, if you want to read it in the original:

https://twitter.com/pompiersparis

Normal broadcasting has not been interrupted, though there is a chyron:

https://www.france24.com/en/live

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Response to TruckFump (Original post)

Mon Apr 15, 2019, 01:28 PM

17. Looks bad from the outside

That fire is roaring.

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Response to TruckFump (Original post)

Mon Apr 15, 2019, 01:29 PM

18. It's a big fire...through the roof.

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Response to TruckFump (Reply #18)

Mon Apr 15, 2019, 01:40 PM

28. There looks to be scaffolding around the section that is on fire

so am wondering if there were workers who have/had been working on the exterior and something ignited...

With an old old building like that (about 800 years old), yikes...!!!

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Response to TruckFump (Original post)

Mon Apr 15, 2019, 01:30 PM

20. It's getting a lot worse.

It was being renovated, as you can see from the scaffolding.

Tourists stunned as Notre-Dame cathedral statues fly above Paris

Date created : 12/04/2019 - 11:53

Sixteen bronze statues briefly took to the skies over Paris after they were removed from the Notre-Dame cathedral to undergo restoration work.

Tourists at the world-famous landmark were left stunned on Thursday as the statues -- representing the 12 apostles and the four evangelists from the New Testament -- were lifted off the spire of the cathedral by crane.
....

Built between the years 1163 and 1345, Notre-Dame is one of the most popular tourist sites in Paris, drawing around 13 million people every year.

Its spire, like the rest of the gothic edifice, is undergoing a 11-million-euro ($12.4-million) overhaul financed by the French state to repair damage inflicted by time, pollution and the weather.
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Response to mahatmakanejeeves (Reply #20)

Mon Apr 15, 2019, 01:33 PM

24. Yes. Flames pouring through the roof. EOM

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Response to TruckFump (Original post)

Mon Apr 15, 2019, 01:31 PM

21. Looks like scaffolding was set up in the area of the fire.

Where is the FD?

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Response to mobeau69 (Reply #21)

Mon Apr 15, 2019, 01:32 PM

22. MSNBC is reporting on the scaffolding.

They comments are that this is where the fire started.

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Response to TruckFump (Original post)

Mon Apr 15, 2019, 01:33 PM

23. Watching the video, there's scaffolding around the tallest steeple. I wonder if they were doing...

...some welding on the roof?

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Response to George II (Reply #23)

Mon Apr 15, 2019, 02:05 PM

42. That, or grinding would be my guess.

I'm guessing a small unnoticed smoldering hot spot in a debris pile turned into a ragging fire after closing time.

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Response to TruckFump (Original post)

Mon Apr 15, 2019, 01:34 PM

25. Oh this is terrible!

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Mon Apr 15, 2019, 01:35 PM

26. Horrible.

I wonder what happened?

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Response to TruckFump (Original post)

Mon Apr 15, 2019, 01:37 PM

27. Yep, the roofers did it with a torch and walked away, likely w/o even calling the Fire Depatment.

Happens all the time here too. They are instructed not to do anything or call for help. Calling is a self-indictment.

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Response to machoneman (Reply #27)

Mon Apr 15, 2019, 03:14 PM

64. Omg!! Seriously??

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Response to machoneman (Reply #27)

Mon Apr 15, 2019, 04:49 PM

81. Really? That's a terrible precedent.

Though it shows what kind of a punitive, litigious society we have turned into.

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Response to machoneman (Reply #27)

Mon Apr 15, 2019, 05:37 PM

87. Rumors don't help

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Response to TruckFump (Original post)

Mon Apr 15, 2019, 01:40 PM

29. This is such an awful situation.

Buildings like this belong to the world and it is a loss for all of us.

I truly hope that they get in under control quickly.

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Response to TruckFump (Original post)

Mon Apr 15, 2019, 01:40 PM

30. Tragic....hope they get it under control ASAP

It is one of the greats

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Response to TruckFump (Original post)

Mon Apr 15, 2019, 01:42 PM

31. This is heartbreaking

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Response to TruckFump (Original post)

Mon Apr 15, 2019, 01:42 PM

32. This is heartbreaking! I remember the fire Windsor Castle. This looks MUCH worse

History disappearing, right before our very eyes.

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Response to TruckFump (Original post)

Mon Apr 15, 2019, 01:47 PM

33. I was in there in 95

This is heartbreaking.

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Response to tymorial (Reply #33)

Mon Apr 15, 2019, 02:38 PM

55. I am scheduled to be in Paris for the first time in June...heartbreaking loss...(n/t)

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Response to Moostache (Reply #55)

Mon Apr 15, 2019, 02:57 PM

60. I just realized that my trip was during this week. I was staying with a host family

I would have been going to Paris the day after Easter Sunday.

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Response to TruckFump (Original post)

Mon Apr 15, 2019, 01:47 PM

34. Trump tweets "perhaps water tankers can put it out". "Must act quickly".

Thanks Mr. President.

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Response to oasis (Reply #34)

Mon Apr 15, 2019, 01:53 PM

36. My gawd he is such a back seat driver.

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Response to oasis (Reply #34)

Mon Apr 15, 2019, 02:00 PM

40. Why isn't he on AF1 right now

So he can go fight it single-handedly?

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Response to durablend (Reply #40)

Mon Apr 15, 2019, 02:25 PM

50. When will people realize "only Trump has the solution."?

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Response to oasis (Reply #34)

Mon Apr 15, 2019, 03:13 PM

63. Let's see... dumping a large mass of water suddenly onto a burning, ancient roof...

Yeah… that might work…

(Depending on what you want to accomplish.)

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Response to OKIsItJustMe (Reply #63)

Mon Apr 15, 2019, 07:03 PM

91. Notre-Dame blaze: Flying water tankers 'could lead to collapse'

https://www.france24.com/en/20190415-notre-dame-blaze-flying-water-tankers-not-option-paris-france-firefighters
Notre-Dame blaze: Flying water tankers 'could lead to collapse'

Date created : 15/04/2019 - 23:14Latest update : 16/04/2019 - 00:26

The use of flying water tankers to extinguish the fire at Notre-Dame Cathedral is not an option, French officials said on Monday night. The weight of the water could cause the entire structure to collapse.

US President Donald Trump on Monday called the blaze engulfing Notre-Dame cathedral in Paris "horrible" and suggested the deployment of flying water tankers, before being told by French authorities that this wouldn't work.

"So horrible to watch the massive fire at Notre Dame Cathedral in Paris. Perhaps flying water tankers could be used to put it out. Must act quickly!" Trump tweeted



Not an option

Following Trump's tweet, the French civil protection service responded that the one thing it was not contemplating was using aerial tankers, which dump enormously heavy loads of water, usually on wildfires.



"All means are being used, except for water-bombing aircraft which, if used, could lead to the collapse of the entire structure of the cathedral."

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Response to oasis (Reply #34)

Tue Apr 16, 2019, 07:01 AM

96. I hate Trump. I feel actual hate for him.

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Response to TruckFump (Original post)

Mon Apr 15, 2019, 01:50 PM

35. Where ITF is the FD?

It's out of control.

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Response to TruckFump (Original post)

Mon Apr 15, 2019, 01:54 PM

37. Oh no.

How horrible. The fire looks bad. I hope it can be contained, and quickly. The loss of this beautiful treasure would be devastating.

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Response to TruckFump (Original post)

Mon Apr 15, 2019, 01:55 PM

38. Le Monde saying the spire just collapsed

Holy shit

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Response to Recursion (Reply #38)

Mon Apr 15, 2019, 02:01 PM

41. Oh, no!

This is horrible.

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Response to Recursion (Reply #38)

Mon Apr 15, 2019, 02:55 PM

58. The entire Ile de la Cite is closed off now. Residents can shelter at Whitefriars




(TIL that island still has like 1000 residents)

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Response to TruckFump (Original post)

Mon Apr 15, 2019, 01:59 PM

39. There's no saving it at this point. It's lost. nt

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Response to Quackers (Reply #39)

Mon Apr 15, 2019, 04:29 PM

79. As long as the stone walls stand (as they should)...

...it will be rebuilt.

Every centimeter of such historic buildings have been surveyed and recorded in case of just such an eventuality. It may take decades, but it will eventually return. (Also, keep in mind that it has been damaged and rebuilt many times over the centuries. In fact, the spire that just fell in is only about 170 years old.) The major devastation will be the loss of precious art from the interior. Pretty much all the stained glass will be gone as well; they can create replacements, but there will likely always be a “Colonial Williamsburg” feel to them – obviously modern-day versions of lost old art.

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Response to TruckFump (Original post)

Mon Apr 15, 2019, 02:05 PM

43. The spire just went down. Hopefully this isn't terrorist related but the scene reminds me of the WTC

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Response to TruckFump (Original post)

Mon Apr 15, 2019, 02:14 PM

44. MSNBC reporting that the roof has "completely collapsed."

I believe it is gone.

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Response to TruckFump (Original post)

Mon Apr 15, 2019, 02:16 PM

45. France - and the world - just lost something truly irreplaceable.

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Response to TruckFump (Original post)

Mon Apr 15, 2019, 02:18 PM

46. This is heartbreaking to watch.

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Response to sheshe2 (Reply #46)

Mon Apr 15, 2019, 02:22 PM

48. Yes, it is.

Shocking and heartbreaking...to think it most likely is gone.

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Response to sheshe2 (Reply #46)

Mon Apr 15, 2019, 02:32 PM

52. It is

Had to stop watching the live coverage because it was too upsetting. I keep thinking about all the art, the beams and stained glass, the gargoyles, the water damage to whatever doesn't burn ...
This is a devastating blow. There have been so many in recent years, not to be overly dramatic, but it feels like the world is slowly crumbling around us. It's getting difficult to bear it all.

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Response to TruckFump (Original post)

Mon Apr 15, 2019, 02:22 PM

49. This is a tremendous loss

Imagine being the construction worker(s) responsible for burning down one of the most iconic building in the history of humanity.

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Response to TruckFump (Original post)

Mon Apr 15, 2019, 02:31 PM

51. Lost history

Just awful!!! The achievements and knowledge of humanity's past are fragile and precious.

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Response to TruckFump (Original post)

Mon Apr 15, 2019, 02:32 PM

53. Notre Dame fire livestream -- if you can stand to watch it

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Response to TruckFump (Original post)

Mon Apr 15, 2019, 02:37 PM

54. Thank you

Thank you for this news

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Response to TruckFump (Original post)

Mon Apr 15, 2019, 02:39 PM

56. I know this is awful to say

but heaven help the yellow jackets if they did this. This is eactly the sort of crap that can be used against macros and the muslims, and a certain russian would LOVE that.

Yes, this is a great loss for all humanity: the folks in the churches, synagouges, mosques and the Buddhist temples know that this is a loss for the world.n.

As I said, heaven help whoever did this, especially if it is a certain Russian.

and if marine Le Pen tries to exploit this, may she burn..

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Response to DonCoquixote (Reply #56)

Mon Apr 15, 2019, 02:57 PM

59. Construction workers on the scaffolding wore yellow vests and hardhats

Does that make them part of the Yellow Jacket movement?

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Response to Brother Buzz (Reply #59)

Mon Apr 15, 2019, 03:23 PM

65. it would make a fine chance to hide nastiness

we cannot rule it out

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Response to DonCoquixote (Reply #65)

Mon Apr 15, 2019, 03:40 PM

67. I'm going with Occam's razor unless we learn something else

I'm speculating it was a boneheaded construction mistake; welding or grinding started a smoldering hot spot in a debris pile that didn't ignite until the workers left for the day.

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Response to Brother Buzz (Reply #67)

Mon Apr 15, 2019, 03:55 PM

69. Agree

Also believing much can be saved. It's made of stone, stained glass can be replaced, structure of Gothic cathedrals is on the outside. At the end of WWII, there were few cathedrals in Europe that, if not bombed directly, all were missing their roof. The great loss of Notre Dame was its age, almost a millennium old.

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Response to Snellius (Reply #69)

Mon Apr 15, 2019, 04:04 PM

72. Stone and masonry are generally ruined by fire

and the water they shot up there only exasperated the situation. It's going to be a herculean task to restore and rebuild what's left.

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Response to Brother Buzz (Reply #72)

Mon Apr 15, 2019, 04:18 PM

75. That is true BUT

Last edited Mon Apr 15, 2019, 06:00 PM - Edit history (1)

but on Gothic cathedrals most of the weight of the building is not structurally carried by the walls but by the flying buttresses on the outside. Still any building that old and such an ambitious structure build at that early a stage of architecture will have serious masonry problems. Many European cathedrals after WWII were able to be restored. Cologne was bombed 16 times. But not as old as Notre Dame, much of which however was extensively rebuilt in the 19th C.

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Response to TruckFump (Original post)

Mon Apr 15, 2019, 02:46 PM

57. MSNBC reporting that the "entire interior is burning."

The firefighters now are trying to salvage historic objects stored in the church.

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Response to TruckFump (Original post)

Mon Apr 15, 2019, 02:59 PM

61. Horrifying

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Response to TruckFump (Original post)

Mon Apr 15, 2019, 03:03 PM

62. Oh NO!!! 😵

Last edited Mon Apr 15, 2019, 04:09 PM - Edit history (1)

Where are the helicopters with the huge buckets of water? It seems to me in watching the coverage that not enough fire control is being use.*

Update: Now being reported that fears of dropping huge buckets of water would cause a weaking of the walls. (The stone walls will not burn.)

This is horrible. Notre Dame Cathedral is an iconic piece of architecture and art. This old atheist is grieving its demise.

😪


*Omg, just read that tRump said much the same.

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Response to Duppers (Reply #62)

Mon Apr 15, 2019, 05:40 PM

88. Dumping tons of water on an already weakened structure would cause it to collapse

sending flaming debris everywhere into the surrounding city.

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Response to TruckFump (Original post)

Mon Apr 15, 2019, 03:31 PM

66. k and r

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Response to TruckFump (Original post)

Mon Apr 15, 2019, 03:47 PM

68. One of the times I was there, I dashed inside to get out of the rain.

There was a nun's funeral in progress & the massive, intricately carved wooden grill doors to the main vestibule were closed. Tons of tourists were crowded together, trying to get a glimpse of the service, when someone's camera announced, "Too dark. Use flash," and continued to repeat the command until the owner could stop it.

That moment, when everyone tried so hard not to laugh, always stays with me because state-of-the-art technology was disturbing @900 years of art and architecture that symbolized glory to God.

This is a truly sad day.

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Response to TruckFump (Original post)

Mon Apr 15, 2019, 04:02 PM

70. Reporting now -- Ministry of France:

They do not believe they can save the cathedral.

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Response to TruckFump (Reply #70)

Mon Apr 15, 2019, 04:14 PM

73. The Latest: Fire chief unsure Notre Dame fire won't advance

https://apnews.com/a0fbb1d19f7a44f4bfb6f3ad603731da


The fire chief in Paris says it’s unclear if city firefighters will be able to keep a fire at Notre Dame from spreading and causing more destruction.

Fire Chief Jean-Claude Gallet said outside the iconic cathedral as his crews battled the blaze from both the exterior and interior: “We are not sure we are capable of stopping the spreading” to Notre Dame’s second tower and belfry.

Gallet said: “If it collapses, you can imagine how important the damage will be.”

Flames already have reached one of Notre Dame’s towers and brought down the church spire that extended 96-meters-high (315-feet.

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Response to OKIsItJustMe (Reply #73)

Mon Apr 15, 2019, 04:32 PM

80. OMG, this is horrible.

I am hearing that due to how narrow the streets are and how the cathedral sits on an island, that fighting this fire is next to impossible.

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Response to OKIsItJustMe (Reply #73)

Mon Apr 15, 2019, 04:55 PM

82. "Everything is burning, nothing will remain from the frame..."

https://apnews.com/73404d09773740f699d4b92933abec50


The blaze collapsed the cathedral’s spire and spread to one of its landmark rectangular towers. A spokesman said the entire wooden frame of the cathedral would likely come down, and that the vault of the edifice could be threatened too.

“Everything is burning, nothing will remain from the frame,” Notre Dame spokesman Andre Finot told French media. The 12th-century cathedral is home to incalculable works of art and is one of the world’s most famous tourist attractions, immortalized by Victor Hugo’s 1831 novel “The Hunchback of Notre Dame.”

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Response to OKIsItJustMe (Reply #73)

Mon Apr 15, 2019, 05:06 PM

86. Firefighters say main structure 'saved and preserved'!

https://www.france24.com/en/20190415-liveblog-fire-paris-france-notre-dame-cathedral
Firefighters say main structure 'saved and preserved'!

A spokesman for the Paris firefighters says the two towers and the main structure of the cathedral have been saved from complete destruction as the flames begin to wane. Three or four more hours needed to contain the fire, he adds.

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Response to OKIsItJustMe (Reply #86)

Mon Apr 15, 2019, 05:55 PM

89. church's structure had been saved after firefighters managed to stop the fire spreading to the north

https://apnews.com/73404d09773740f699d4b92933abec50


PARIS (AP) — A catastrophic fire engulfed the upper reaches of Paris’ soaring Notre Dame Cathedral as it was undergoing renovations Monday, threatening one of the greatest architectural treasures of the Western world as tourists and Parisians looked on aghast from the streets below.

The blaze collapsed the cathedral’s spire and spread to one of its landmark rectangular towers, but Paris fire chief Jean-Claude Gallet said the church’s structure had been saved after firefighters managed to stop the fire spreading to the northern belfry. The 12th-century cathedral is home to incalculable works of art and is one of the world’s most famous tourist attractions, immortalized by Victor Hugo’s 1831 novel “The Hunchback of Notre Dame.”

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Response to OKIsItJustMe (Reply #86)

Mon Apr 15, 2019, 06:02 PM

90. Paris firefighters save devastated Notre-Dame from total destruction

https://www.france24.com/en/20190415-liveblog-fire-paris-france-notre-dame-cathedral
Paris firefighters save devastated Notre-Dame from total destruction



Firefighters are battling a massive blaze at the French capital's iconic Notre-Dame Cathedral, where flames and black smoke were seen shooting from the base of the medieval church's spire on Monday.
  • The fire chief in Paris says the city's team have managed to save Notre-Dame Cathedral from complete destruction.
  • The spire of the historic Notre-Dame Cathedral has collapsed as the wooden structure supporting the roof was ravaged by the blaze. Flames have spread to one of the cathedral's two towers.
  • The 12th century cathedral was in the midst of a massive 20-year renovation project.
  • Due to the fire, President Emmanuel Macron has postponed a highly-anticipated TV address on the Yellow Vest crisis, and rushed to the scene.
  • Deputy Paris mayor Emmanuel Gregoire said that workers are scrambling "to save all the artworks that can be saved".

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Response to OKIsItJustMe (Reply #86)

Mon Apr 15, 2019, 07:17 PM

92. Here's a clearer image of the inside of Notre Dame cathedral, one of the first since the fire.


Here's a clearer image of the inside of Notre Dame cathedral, one of the first since the fire. Credit: AFP

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Response to OKIsItJustMe (Reply #86)

Mon Apr 15, 2019, 07:22 PM

93. Notre-Dame of Paris 'saved' after fire destroys steeple

https://www.afp.com/en/news/15/notre-dame-paris-saved-after-fire-destroys-steeple-doc-1fo2eb4
Notre-Dame of Paris 'saved' after fire destroys steeple

16 Apr 2019

French firefighters Monday won an hours-long battle to save the main structure of Notre-Dame Cathedral in Paris, after a colossal fire caused the spire of the historic edifice to crash to the ground and wiped out centuries of heritage.

French President Emmanuel Macron vowed that "we will rebuild" Notre-Dame and expressed relief that "the worst had been avoided" in a fire that risked bringing the entire edifice down.

The fire destroyed the roof of the 850-year-old UNESCO world heritage landmark, whose spectacular Gothic spire collapsed before the eyes of horrified onlookers on a previously pristine early spring evening.



Paris fire brigade chief Jean-Claude Gallet said "we can consider that the main structure of Notre-Dame has been saved and preserved" as well as the two towers.

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Response to OKIsItJustMe (Reply #93)

Tue Apr 16, 2019, 01:34 AM

95. It had been replaced once already it seems . . .

from wikipedia:

The original spire was constructed in the 13th century, probably between 1220 and 1230. It was battered, weakened and bent by the wind over five centuries, and finally was removed in 1786. During the 19th century restoration, Eugène Viollet-le-Duc decided to recreate it, making a new version of oak covered with lead.




Still a shame though. And the roof had just been replaced in 2014. On the bright side, it wasn't a terror attack, which would be completely devastating.

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Response to OKIsItJustMe (Reply #97)

Tue Apr 16, 2019, 11:28 AM

98. Well, most of that wood was in the attic

and the vaulted ceilings under them survived, except where the spire fell through. So it was probably just a matter of time before all that wood was replaced anyway, for just this reason.

Still, it's a heartbreak, for sure.

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Response to ucrdem (Reply #98)

Tue Apr 16, 2019, 11:46 AM

99. The Rose Windows appear to have survived

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Response to OKIsItJustMe (Reply #99)

Tue Apr 16, 2019, 11:48 AM

100. Now that IS a miracle



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Response to TruckFump (Original post)

Mon Apr 15, 2019, 04:04 PM

71. 2006

My second visit to Paris, in the company of five other writers and poets. We rose early on Sunday morning to catch the plainsong Mass at Notre Dame. A being who looked and sounded like an angel sang the Mass.

I am an atheist, but I count that Sunday morning, in the company of my dearest friends, as a spiritual highlight of my life.

No words.

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Mon Apr 15, 2019, 04:20 PM

76. UPDATE: French Interior Minister - Notre Dame may be inpossible to save


per France24

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Response to TruckFump (Original post)

Mon Apr 15, 2019, 04:27 PM

77. ..

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Mon Apr 15, 2019, 04:29 PM

78. My daughter posted family photos from our 2017 visit to Notre Dame on FB, offering condolences to

the people of Paris and the world. (Paris is our favorite city other than San Francisco, where we live.) One of her FB "friends" felt compelled to respond that what's happening at the Texas border is much worse, and Notre Dame is "only" a building, so it can be rebuilt.

My older daughter's life is devoted to advancing the rights of domestic workers (most of them immigrants, documented and not) and people with disabilities... and in helping elect people (Democrats) and support policies that will end the current evil situation at the border and prevent similar situations in the future. She deleted the "friend's" comment.

It seems such a failure of imagination... or heart ... or something... to be unable to understand (at all) the impact of the loss of such a beloved, glorious, iconic treasure to the people of Paris-- and to the rest of us-- and also to fail to understand that this feeling of devastating loss doesn't diminish our concerns about other current events.

At any rate, I didn't wake up today worried that Notre Dame would be burned out of existence. That was inconceivable. We stayed quite close to Notre Dame on our 2017 (spring) trip, in a lively neighborhood on the Left Bank. This was our first family trip in years, and the first time our two youngest kids had been to Paris. It was such a great (and needed!) escape from the shit-show unfolding back home. I just want to rewind this day... and replay with the devastating and unbelievable loss part edited out. Can't stop crying...

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Response to TruckFump (Original post)

Mon Apr 15, 2019, 04:59 PM

83. This is devastating.

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Response to TruckFump (Original post)

Mon Apr 15, 2019, 05:01 PM

84. This is why aircrafts can't be used.

Linked from https://twitter.com/DavidAvromBell

This is why aircrafts can’t be used. Appalled by people criticising the fire brigade, as men are risking their life for a monument @PompiersParis deserves our greatest respect #Notredame



Hundreds of firemen of the Paris Fire Brigade are doing everything they can to bring the terrible #NotreDame fire under control. All means are being used, except for water-bombing aircrafts which, if used, could lead to the collapse of the entire structure of the cathedral.


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Response to mahatmakanejeeves (Reply #84)

Mon Apr 15, 2019, 05:04 PM

85. That, of course, is what Trump would do:

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Response to TruckFump (Original post)

Tue Apr 16, 2019, 12:01 AM

94. I didn't hear about this till this evening

Horrifying! Studied the art in there in college, as well as, the art that is the building itself. The history is incredible.

Macron says they will rebuild, but you can't replace parts of a 13th century building. It is a great loss for the world.

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