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Wed May 15, 2019, 11:38 AM

11-year-old sent to principal's office for telling fellow students to stop making Nazi salute

Source: Jewish Telegraph Agency

An 11-year-old Tennessee girl who told her classmates to stop making the Nazi salute was sent to the principal’s office, her father said in a tweet in which he asked the public to send her messages of support.

Gamble said that a student at his daughter’s McFadden School of Excellence in Murfreesboro was assigned to play Hitler for the school’s Living History project and to make the Sieg Heil salute. After students started to make the salute all over school, his daughter told them privately that she thought it was wrong.

Read more: https://www.jta.org/quick-reads/11-year-old-sent-to-principals-office-for-telling-fellow-students-to-stop-making-nazi-salute

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Reply 11-year-old sent to principal's office for telling fellow students to stop making Nazi salute (Original post)
DavidDvorkin May 2019 OP
Lucky Luciano May 2019 #1
Princetonian May 2019 #2
SunSeeker May 2019 #3
elleng May 2019 #5
SunSeeker May 2019 #7
LisaM May 2019 #4
elleng May 2019 #6
SunSeeker May 2019 #8
LisaM May 2019 #9
SunSeeker May 2019 #10
LisaM May 2019 #12
SunSeeker May 2019 #14
keithbvadu2 May 2019 #20
SunSeeker May 2019 #21
Honeycombe8 May 2019 #11
SunSeeker May 2019 #15
Honeycombe8 May 2019 #17
SunSeeker May 2019 #19
Honeycombe8 May 2019 #23
SunSeeker May 2019 #24
whopis01 May 2019 #26
whopis01 May 2019 #27
Honeycombe8 May 2019 #28
JonLP24 May 2019 #18
LiberalLovinLug May 2019 #22
Honeycombe8 May 2019 #29
Evolve Dammit May 2019 #13
SunSeeker May 2019 #16
Evolve Dammit May 2019 #34
SunSeeker May 2019 #35
Behind the Aegis May 2019 #25
BigDemVoter May 2019 #30
geralmar May 2019 #31
pressbox69 May 2019 #32
YOHABLO May 2019 #33

Response to DavidDvorkin (Original post)

Wed May 15, 2019, 11:43 AM

1. Tr&*p's America really needs to get fucked. nt

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Response to DavidDvorkin (Original post)

Wed May 15, 2019, 11:55 AM

2. School of Excellence, my arse. Absolutely mad.

 

What a brave child. Her parents must be proud.

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Response to DavidDvorkin (Original post)

Wed May 15, 2019, 01:14 PM

3. "Mrs. A," the teacher who sent her to the principal, and the principal, both need to be fired.

They allowed students to continue to make Nazi salute for weeks, as this poor girls kept privately telling them it was wrong. Then when the "Living History" play is finally put on, and some in the audience of students gives a Nazi salute back to the "Hitler" and the girl yells at them to put their hands down, Mrs. A sends her to the principal's office---instead of the students doing the Nazi salute! And then the principal basically agrees with Mrs. A.

Sickening.

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Response to SunSeeker (Reply #3)

Wed May 15, 2019, 01:27 PM

5. Doesn't seem they learned much 'living history.'

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Response to elleng (Reply #5)

Wed May 15, 2019, 01:28 PM

7. That's for sure!

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Response to DavidDvorkin (Original post)

Wed May 15, 2019, 01:26 PM

4. This headline is very misleading.

Here's an excerpt from the article, which includes the fact that she was able to address this issue later in an awards ceremony. It sounds as if the real problem is the other kids who keep making the salute to her, and their parents need to get involved, IMHO.

James Evans, a spokesman for Rutherford County Schools, said in a statement to BuzzFeed News on Tuesday: “The student was not disciplined or punished in any way for her concerns or actions. In fact, the school agrees the actions of the students were completely inappropriate.”

She was taken out of the room to calm down, according to the district.

Evans also told BuzzFeed that the school has decided that future projects will not include Hitler or the salute.

During the awards ceremony for the project, several students gave the salute when the student who portrayed Hitler went up to receive her award and were not reprimanded. When Gamble’s daughter accepted an award, she called on parents to talk to their children about why it is not right to make the salute.

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Response to LisaM (Reply #4)

Wed May 15, 2019, 01:28 PM

6. Thanks

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Response to LisaM (Reply #4)

Wed May 15, 2019, 01:38 PM

8. The headline is correct. Merely being sent to the principal's office amounts to discipline.

She was ostracized, whether Mrs. A intended to or not, by being sent to the principle's office. Just because no additional punishment occurred in the principal's office does not obviate the fact that being sent there was its own punishment. Mrs. A should have sent the saluting students to the principal's office, instead of the girl. How Mrs. A and the principal handled the situation was stupid and sickening.

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Response to SunSeeker (Reply #8)

Wed May 15, 2019, 01:50 PM

9. Look, I'm not defending her fellow students.

But I still think it's a clickbait headline.

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Response to LisaM (Reply #9)

Wed May 15, 2019, 02:16 PM

10. The headline is accurate. That is how I would have written it.

It is not clickbait because it is not misleading. She really was sent to the principal's office. Mrs. A claims she did to give the girl a place to "calm down." That is discipline. You send misbehaving childen to the principal's office to calm down, not kids doing the right thing. What Mrs. A did, and what the principal acquiesced to, was outrageous. It is definitely worth a headline.

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Response to SunSeeker (Reply #10)

Wed May 15, 2019, 02:54 PM

12. We're just going to have to disagree.

It certainly implies that she was disciplined for it, and I think that they were just trying to calm down the situation.


Having a Hitler re-enactment was probably a really bad idea, though.

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Response to LisaM (Reply #12)

Wed May 15, 2019, 02:59 PM

14. The only "situation" they were trying to calm down was the girl's objections to the salutes.

Not the Hitler salutes themselves. SHE was the one sent to the principal's office, not the Nazi saluting kids. That is outrageous.

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Response to SunSeeker (Reply #10)

Wed May 15, 2019, 03:23 PM

20. "She was taken out of the room to calm down"

Agree!

"She was taken out of the room to calm down"

The Nazi saluters were not sent to the principle to 'calm down'.

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Response to keithbvadu2 (Reply #20)

Wed May 15, 2019, 03:34 PM

21. Exactly. nt

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Response to LisaM (Reply #4)

Wed May 15, 2019, 02:31 PM

11. I figured that.

Because it didn't make sense. And as Judge Judy says, "It it doesn't make sense, it's not true."

It was a bad project, to start with, and the school is not going to assign a project involving Hitler again. Good.

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Response to Honeycombe8 (Reply #11)

Wed May 15, 2019, 03:00 PM

15. You should read the article. The headline is not misleading.

 The only "situation" they were trying to "calm down" was the girl's objections to the salutes--not the Hitler salutes themselves. SHE was the one sent to the principal's office, not the Nazi saluting kids. That is outrageous.

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Response to SunSeeker (Reply #15)

Wed May 15, 2019, 03:10 PM

17. I did read the article. I disagree with you is all.

The headline leads readers to think it was the fact that it was a Nazi salute that was the issue. But really, this was a case of bullying or being razzed by fellow students. They were doing the salute because of the play where the girl was playing Hitler, so the students were razzing her.

It seems she got overly upset. The article doesn't address what the school said to the students who were doing the razzing, and you KNOW the school said something. The school is also not going to do a play involving Hitler again, recognizing that it created the situation.

It would be no different from if the students in the play were supposed to make a "ffft" sound at the girl's character, in the play, and then started doing that to her when they saw her in the halls.

The only reason this was an article was because it was a Nazi salute and not a "fffft."

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Response to Honeycombe8 (Reply #17)

Wed May 15, 2019, 03:15 PM

19. Why are you assuming the school punished the saluters? The school didn't.

The article explicitly states: "During the awards ceremony for the project, several students gave the salute when the student who portrayed Hitler went up to receive her award and were not reprimanded." Why insert facts not presented, and ignore facts stated?

Why are you suggesting she deserved to be sent to the principal's office because she was "overly upset" about the Nazi salutes? How was her reaction so over the top in yelling at the kids to put their hands down that she needed to be sent to the principal's office?

Do you think it was appropriate to send her to the principal's office, universally seen as a disciplinary measure, for being upset over a Nazi salute?

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Response to SunSeeker (Reply #19)

Wed May 15, 2019, 03:43 PM

23. I'm not going to argue about it.

The article didn't address the other students. Only the student who is the subject of the article and who was being razzed by other students.

The article's title makes it seem like students who were for some reason unconnected to the girl, were doing Nazi salutes, so the girl reported that calmly, since doing a Nazi salute is wrong in a school. That is not what happened.

End..of...story.

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Response to Honeycombe8 (Reply #23)

Wed May 15, 2019, 04:01 PM

24. The article, which you claim to have read, said the others weren't punished.

From the article:

During the awards ceremony for the project, several students gave the salute when the student who portrayed Hitler went up to receive her award and were not reprimanded. 


The headline does not imply the students were "unconnected" to the girl. The headline explicitly states they were her "fellow students." And she did report it calmly, and privately, for weeks. As the article notes. She was bulled over her requests. Then, at the ceremony, she tells the students to put their hands down, and she gets sent to the principal's office---not the Nazi saluters! That is pretty newsworthy. Hence the headline: "11-year-old sent to principal's office for telling fellow students to stop making Nazi salute"

As headlines go, that's about as accurate as it gets.

And doing Nazi salutes is wrong anywhere, not just "wrong in a school."

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Response to Honeycombe8 (Reply #17)

Wed May 15, 2019, 06:44 PM

26. I think you may have misread the article.

It is a little poorly worded, but if you read carefully the girl who was assigned to play Hitler was not the same girl who got upset and was sent to the principal’s office.


So the girl who got “overly upset” was not the one being razzed by the students making the hand gesture.

So I would disagree with you. The girl who was sent to the principal’s office was not upset about being bullied. She was upset that other students were making a Nazi gesture.

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Response to Honeycombe8 (Reply #17)

Wed May 15, 2019, 06:53 PM

27. Actually the article states that the students were not reprimanded

after they gave the salute when the girl who played Hitler went on stage. (Note that the girl who played Hitler is not the girl who is the main subject of the article).

Given that, I would not say it is fair to assume the school said something.

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Response to whopis01 (Reply #27)

Wed May 15, 2019, 07:49 PM

28. It doesn't refer to anything after the event...

of the girl being removed from the class.

In any case, this was not a case of a bunch of Nazi-approving students giving the salute all around the school or to the girl, in support of Naziism, which is what the title implies. It was a case of razzing or bullying.

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Response to LisaM (Reply #4)

Wed May 15, 2019, 03:14 PM

18. That's a school spokesperson

Any spokesperson can make someone look good that is why some people hide behind them.

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Response to LisaM (Reply #4)

Wed May 15, 2019, 03:38 PM

22. I agree.

This student was very smart and also very socially aware, a future Democrat. But still a child. And so I think over-reacted somewhat to the fact that some fellow students, as to be expected, were using it away from the play. Even if just to annoy her. That's what kids do. Especially if another kid tells them not to and how much it bothers them.

If they were doing some kind of play about that era, including Hitler, it makes sense that they would be using the salute to portray the Nazis. Maybe it isn't a good idea to re-enact that era, but that's not the issue here.

Its more about kids being kids. Or most likely boys being boys. Many just knew that Hitler was a "bad man" and I'm sure took delight in using that gesture to be the bad guy in the face of the more reserved students. To bug them. And this student got overly emotional and it was appropriate that they remove her and talk with the principal, not to discipline, but to get her to explain her side and calm down.

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Response to LiberalLovinLug (Reply #22)

Wed May 15, 2019, 07:50 PM

29. +1. nt

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Response to DavidDvorkin (Original post)

Wed May 15, 2019, 02:56 PM

13. An opportunity for the school to dig in to why it's wrong. The entire lead up to genocide.

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Response to Evolve Dammit (Reply #13)

Wed May 15, 2019, 03:04 PM

16. I'm guessing the school will pass on that, so as to keep things "calm." nt

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Response to SunSeeker (Reply #16)

Thu May 16, 2019, 06:46 PM

34. Of course they will. Truth does not matter anymore.

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Response to Evolve Dammit (Reply #34)

Thu May 16, 2019, 08:34 PM

35. Apparently truth doesn't matter in that school, that's for sure.

We must stay calm, above all.

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Response to DavidDvorkin (Original post)

Wed May 15, 2019, 04:18 PM

25. Good on her.

Shame she was disciplined for being "hysterical" and that some are excusing such behavior as "boys will be boys". Disgusting! But, not unexpected.

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Response to DavidDvorkin (Original post)

Wed May 15, 2019, 08:12 PM

30. That happened when I was in school too-- about 45 years ago.

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Thu May 16, 2019, 01:28 AM

32. That child has her head on right.

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Response to DavidDvorkin (Original post)

Thu May 16, 2019, 03:05 AM

33. Perhaps it's better to wait till students get a little older to teach WWII and the Holocaust.

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