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oldsoftie

(12,531 posts)
Sun Jun 2, 2019, 07:48 PM Jun 2019

DeWayne Craddock was violent with co-workers before Virginia Beach shooting: report

Source: NYPost

The gunman who shot dead 12 people at a Virginia Beach municipal building had been facing disciplinary action for a violent fight at work, according to a report.

DeWayne Craddock, 40, was still employed as an engineer with the Department of Public Utilities when he went on his shooting rampage Friday, killing 12 and injuring several others, including a cop.

But he recently started showing serious behavioral problems and got into physical “scuffles” with other city workers, a source told The New York Times.

The source told the paper that the troubles had escalated in the week leading up to the mass shooting — and Craddock was involved in what it called “a violent altercation on city grounds.”

Read more: https://nypost.com/2019/06/02/dewayne-craddock-had-been-getting-violent-with-co-workers-before-virginia-beach-shooting-report/

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DeWayne Craddock was violent with co-workers before Virginia Beach shooting: report (Original Post) oldsoftie Jun 2019 OP
It would be interesting to see the autopsy reports. dhol82 Jun 2019 #1
That's what Rebl2 Jun 2019 #2
Yes, this reminds me of the UT Tower shooter TexasBushwhacker Jun 2019 #5
He is the only one mass shooter that I know of who had a brain tumor. LisaL Jun 2019 #15
Do We Know This RobinA Jun 2019 #18
Personality just doesn't usually turn on a dime DeminPennswoods Jun 2019 #10
Stephen Paddock had no history of violence before he shot and murdered numerous people. LisaL Jun 2019 #14
There are lots of other things that can cause behavioral changes. LisaL Jun 2019 #12
He was told that disciplinary action would be taken dalton99a Jun 2019 #3
People Control, Not Gun Control Sancho Jun 2019 #4
Here is something that would Scarsdale Jun 2019 #6
Well there was such an episode BumRushDaShow Jun 2019 #7
Go back a few more years. D you remember the ruby satellite that controlled time? mahatmakanejeeves Jun 2019 #16
Yup. I remember that. BumRushDaShow Jun 2019 #19
POC open carrying in mass Cosmocat Jun 2019 #8
Isn't that why they have armed guards at the Congress and White House? demigoddess Jun 2019 #20
But reading those stipulations it seems you cant carry a gun for protection. oldsoftie Jun 2019 #9
You wouldn't need to carry for protection nearly as much as now...but... Sancho Jun 2019 #11
I suppose the city should have called the cops when he had that fight? Honeycombe8 Jun 2019 #13
"a violent altercation on city grounds." Grins Jun 2019 #17

dhol82

(9,352 posts)
1. It would be interesting to see the autopsy reports.
Sun Jun 2, 2019, 08:38 PM
Jun 2019

Brain lesion of some kind?
Not being snarky, just curious. In unusual behavior this is always suspect.

DeminPennswoods

(15,278 posts)
10. Personality just doesn't usually turn on a dime
Mon Jun 3, 2019, 07:52 AM
Jun 2019

like that for no reason. I wonder if investigators will find something similar if/when they talk to his immediate family?

LisaL

(44,973 posts)
14. Stephen Paddock had no history of violence before he shot and murdered numerous people.
Mon Jun 3, 2019, 08:43 AM
Jun 2019

As far as I know they never figured out the exact motive, and he had no brain tumors.

LisaL

(44,973 posts)
12. There are lots of other things that can cause behavioral changes.
Mon Jun 3, 2019, 08:39 AM
Jun 2019

Vast majority of mass shooters didn't have any brain tumors.

dalton99a

(81,453 posts)
3. He was told that disciplinary action would be taken
Sun Jun 2, 2019, 10:23 PM
Jun 2019
But a person close to Virginia Beach’s city government, who was not authorized to speak publicly, said that the suspect had no history of behavioral problems until recently, when he had begun acting strangely and getting into physical “scuffles” with other city workers.

The person said that tensions had escalated in the past week, adding that the man had gotten into a violent altercation on city grounds and was told that disciplinary action would be taken.


https://www.nytimes.com/2019/06/01/us/dewayne-craddock-virginia.html

Sancho

(9,067 posts)
4. People Control, Not Gun Control
Sun Jun 2, 2019, 10:47 PM
Jun 2019

This is my generic response to gun threads where people are shot and killed by the dumb or criminal possession of guns. For the record, I grew up in the South and on military bases. I was taught about firearms as a child, and I grew up hunting, was a member of the NRA, and I still own guns. In the 70’s, I dropped out of the NRA because they become more radical and less interested in safety and training. Some personal experiences where people I know were involved in shootings caused me to realize that anyone could obtain and posses a gun no matter how illogical it was for them to have a gun. Also, easy access to more powerful guns, guns in the hands of children, and guns that weren’t secured are out of control in our society. As such, here’s what I now think ought to be the requirements to possess a gun. I’m not debating the legal language, I just think it’s the reasonable way to stop the shootings. Notice, none of this restricts the type of guns sold. This is aimed at the people who shoot others, because it’s clear that they should never have had a gun.

1.) Anyone in possession of a gun (whether they own it or not) should have a regularly renewed license. If you want to call it a permit, certificate, or something else that's fine.
2.) To get a license, you should have a background check, and be examined by a professional for emotional and mental stability appropriate for gun possession. It might be appropriate to require that examination to be accompanied by references from family, friends, employers, etc. This check is not to subject you to a mental health diagnosis, just check on your superficial and apparent gun-worthyness.
3.) To get the license, you should be required to take a safety course and pass a test appropriate to the type of gun you want to use.
4.) To get a license, you should be over 21. Under 21, you could only use a gun under direct supervision of a licensed person and after obtaining a learner’s license. Your license might be restricted if you have children or criminals or other unsafe people living in your home. (If you want to argue 18 or 25 or some other age, fine. 21 makes sense to me.)
5.) If you possess a gun, you would have to carry a liability insurance policy specifically for gun ownership - and likely you would have to provide proof of appropriate storage, security, and whatever statistical reasons that emerge that would drive the costs and ability to get insurance.
6.) You could not purchase a gun or ammunition without a license, and purchases would have a waiting period.
7.) If you possess a gun without a license, you go to jail, the gun is impounded, and a judge will have to let you go (just like a DUI).
8.) No one should carry an unsecured gun (except in a locked case, unloaded) when outside of home. Guns should be secure when transporting to a shooting event without demonstrating a special need. Their license should indicate training and special carry circumstances beyond recreational shooting (security guard, etc.). If you are carrying your gun while under the influence of drugs or alcohol, you lose your gun and license.
9.) If you buy, sell, give away, or inherit a gun, your license information should be recorded.
10.) If you accidentally discharge your gun, commit a crime, get referred by a mental health professional, are served a restraining order, etc., you should lose your license and guns until reinstated by a serious relicensing process.

Most of you know that a license is no big deal. Besides a driver’s license you need a license to fish, operate a boat, or many other activities. I realize these differ by state, but that is not a reason to let anyone without a bit of sense pack a semiautomatic weapon in public, on the roads, and in schools. I think we need to make it much harder for some people to have guns.

Scarsdale

(9,426 posts)
6. Here is something that would
Mon Jun 3, 2019, 05:44 AM
Jun 2019

make gun control fast - ONE crazy person with guns going into the halls of power in DC. If the politicians were subjected to ONE episode like this, gun control would be enacted PRONTO. As it stands now, they have the same mindset as Mick Mulvaney. When asked about this he said "You can't save everybody" Now that the NRA is going broke and can not afford huge donations to gop politicians, maybe changes are in order?

BumRushDaShow

(128,857 posts)
7. Well there was such an episode
Mon Jun 3, 2019, 06:32 AM
Jun 2019

although not inside the Capitol building... Remember this?

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2017/06/14/reports-congressman-others-shot-baseball-practice/102838314/

There are many who didn't care then and don't care now. Even if it happens to them. "Freedumbs".

mahatmakanejeeves

(57,394 posts)
16. Go back a few more years. D you remember the ruby satellite that controlled time?
Mon Jun 3, 2019, 10:41 AM
Jun 2019
1998 United States Capitol shooting incident

Date: July 24, 1998; 20 years ago
3:40 p.m. – 4:00 p.m. (UTC-4)
Target: United States Capitol
Attack type: Shooting
Weapons: .38 caliber Smith & Wesson revolver
Deaths: 2
Non-fatal injuries: 3 (including the perpetrator)
Perpetrator: Russell Eugene Weston, Jr.

The 1998 United States Capitol shooting incident was an attack on July 24, 1998, which led to the deaths of two United States Capitol Police officers. Officer Jacob Chestnut and Detective John Gibson were killed when Russell Eugene Weston, Jr., entered the Capitol and opened fire. Chestnut was killed instantly and Gibson died during surgery at George Washington University Hospital. Weston's exact motives are unknown, but he has a mental disorder and maintains a strong distrust of the federal government. He remains in a mental institution due to paranoid schizophrenia and has yet to be tried in court.

Shooting

On the day of shooting, Officer Chestnut and another officer were assigned to operate the X-ray machine and magnetometer at the Document Door entrance located on the East Front of the Capitol, which was open only to Members of Congress and their staff. Detective Gibson was assigned to the dignitary protection detail of Rep. Tom DeLay (R-TX) and was in his suite of offices near this door. Weston, armed with a .38 caliber Smith & Wesson six-shot revolver, entered the Document Door at 3:40 p.m. At the same time, Officer Chestnut was providing directions to a tourist and his son while his partner escorted another tourist towards the restroom. Weston reportedly walked around the metal detector just inside the entrance; Chestnut requested he go back through the detector. Weston suddenly produced the gun and without warning, shot Chestnut in the back of the head at point-blank range. According to witnesses, he turned down a short corridor and pushed through a door which leads to a group of offices used by senior Republican representatives including then Majority Whip Tom DeLay and Representative Dennis Hastert, future Speaker of the House and a close protégé of then Speaker Newt Gingrich.

Detective Gibson, who was in plainclothes, was shot after the suspect entered DeLay's office. Despite being mortally wounded, Detective Gibson was able to return fire and wound the suspect, who was apprehended in that office. A female tourist was grazed by bullets on her shoulder and face. She was treated for her injuries and released. Also injured was USCP Officer Douglas McMillian. Future Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist, R-Tennessee, a heart surgeon who had been presiding on the Senate floor just before the shooting, resuscitated the gunman and accompanied him to D.C. General Hospital.

BumRushDaShow

(128,857 posts)
19. Yup. I remember that.
Mon Jun 3, 2019, 12:58 PM
Jun 2019

And that was not long after the 1995 Oklahoma City bombing and helped to expedite my field office building getting magnetometers installed post haste (they had already closed the side entrances to the building permanently after Oklahoma City).

Cosmocat

(14,563 posts)
8. POC open carrying in mass
Mon Jun 3, 2019, 07:31 AM
Jun 2019

is the only thing that would make them do anything (not that I would recommend any actually do it, cause their life expectancy would drop drastically) but unfortunately, we are about at the point where they would pass laws that would differentiate gun rights by color, and yes, I know that what that means, but they don't care ...

demigoddess

(6,640 posts)
20. Isn't that why they have armed guards at the Congress and White House?
Mon Jun 3, 2019, 03:27 PM
Jun 2019

And I bet they have them at the supreme court too. They do not want that to happen there.. They can afford armed guards and schools cannot. Imagine all the armed guards that you would have to have just in your school district alone. You have several elementary schools, 2-5 jr. hi schools and 3 or 4 high schools. 10 guards per school and you have a hundred guards to pay.

oldsoftie

(12,531 posts)
9. But reading those stipulations it seems you cant carry a gun for protection.
Mon Jun 3, 2019, 07:33 AM
Jun 2019

Or am i reading it wrong

Sancho

(9,067 posts)
11. You wouldn't need to carry for protection nearly as much as now...but...
Mon Jun 3, 2019, 08:05 AM
Jun 2019

"Their license should indicate training and special carry circumstances beyond recreational shooting (security guard, etc.)."

If everyone "carries", then we have the Wild West plus mass shootings. Why not restrict dangerous people from easy access to possession of guns? No one cares if perfectly trained and rational people have guns, but unless you hang around in bad neighborhoods with piles of money in your pocket, the only people "carrying" for protection now are mostly emotionally ill, drug dealers, and gang members!

Yes, it would mean everyone would have to present a valid license to buy, possess, or transport guns or ammunition. It would not prevent 100% of crimes and there would be plenty of examples of shootings anyway...but it would greatly reduce easy access to guns by dangerous people!

If you have a better way (other than a serious license) to reduce shootings except give everyone a gun and let them shoot it out, then I'm open to suggestions.

Honeycombe8

(37,648 posts)
13. I suppose the city should have called the cops when he had that fight?
Mon Jun 3, 2019, 08:43 AM
Jun 2019

Since it sounds like he instigated it, and he had been involved in several scuffles? That's not normal behavior for a worker.

I don't understand these disgruntled employees killing randomly, whether co-workers who had nothing to do with the shooter's problems, or esp. non-coworkers. It's just unbridled anger at the world, I guess.

Grins

(7,212 posts)
17. "a violent altercation on city grounds."
Mon Jun 3, 2019, 11:20 AM
Jun 2019
The source told the paper that the troubles had escalated in the week leading up to the mass shooting — and Craddock was involved in what it called “a violent altercation on city grounds.”

A violent altercation. On city grounds. This was not a problem for HR. It was a problem for the police. Were they called...?
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