Florida deputy charged after staying outside school shooting
Source: Associated Press
MIAMI (AP) Prosecutors say the Florida deputy who failed to confront a gunman during last years Parkland massacre has been arrested on 11 charges.
State Attorney Mike Satz announced Tuesday that 56-year-old Scot Peterson faces child neglect, culpable negligence and perjury charges. Peterson, then a Broward County deputy, was on duty during the shooting at Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School but never went inside.
Satz says the charges carry a combined prison sentence of nearly 100 years. Petersons bail was set at $102,000.
A Peterson lawyer didnt immediately respond to a request for comment.
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By CURT ANDERSON and TERRY SPENCER
15 minutes ago
Read more: https://apnews.com/91dc083ded414c3e86cca8ed9855d7f9
Aristus
(66,284 posts)There will still be assholes who believe it to be true, though...
genxlib
(5,518 posts)You can demonize the guy if you want to but I don't see how it can be illegal to not be a hero.
The majority of the people would not be able to screw up the courage to run into that kind of danger. Saying it was his job does not make it mandatory (by law) that he do it.
I think this is just a fucked up dereliction of duty in our gun culture. Rather than deal with the actual problem of guns and mental health, we are trying to make it the fault of someone for not stopping it. Idiotic.
He is a law enforcement officer. Stopping a gun man is what they are supposed to do. Not cower outside while children are being killed. He is trained to do this. He is supposed to "screw up the courage" and what he was hired to do. Quit making excuses for the cop.
genxlib
(5,518 posts)I just don't see how it could be against the law.
I have witnessed true heroism before and I can tell you that not everyone reacts the way they think they will. Despite attitude, responsibility and training, some freeze up. You can take away their job, dock them pay for not doing their job. You can even sue them for liability. I don't see how you can put them in jail.
Blue_Tires
(55,445 posts)Last edited Wed Jun 5, 2019, 03:17 PM - Edit history (1)
EDIT: But I do agree he's being scapegoated a bit
Bernardo de La Paz
(48,954 posts)TheBlackAdder
(28,167 posts)lunasun
(21,646 posts)salary for the job.
Imagine if people died in a fire while firefighters hid from the fire
Same imo
Sad part was a student spoke about running in to the building to help get his girlfriend out and passed where the deputy was hiding out and saw him!
And the student didnt have a gun !
Plus whats your excuse for the perjury charges ? Lied under stress? No
ooky
(8,906 posts)i.e. go inside a building taking on enemy fire, he might be shot by a firing squad.
yardwork
(61,538 posts)I'm not clear on what school resource officers are trained to do. Are they cops?
I feel this guy is being scapegoated.
JudyM
(29,187 posts)what he was expected to be able to do. If he wasnt committed to the possibility of having to being a hero he shouldnt have taken the job.
That being said, this sentence doesnt st all comport with the measly 19 year sentence for the guy who willfully tried to kill that kid in the mall by throwing him over the edge of the upper level railing.
I would support it if cops similarly faced 100 years for shooting unarmed people.
On edit I wouldn't focus too much on mental health. Even if you completely cured it that wouldn't account for 95% of gun violence.
oldsoftie
(12,487 posts)JonLP24
(29,322 posts)Study
The Virginia Tech, Tucson, and Aurora shooters appear to have had SMI,911 a category that includes conditions such as schizophrenia and bipolar disorder.12 Even though these shootings have drawn public attention to an apparent link between SMI and gun violence, the vast majority of persons with SMI are not violent13,14 and a small proportion of gun violence is committed by persons with SMI.15 The relationship between SMI and violence is complicated by factors such as substance abuse and trauma.13 Furthermore, existing risk-assessment tools do not accurately predict violence among persons with SMI, making it challenging to target policy initiatives to the small subpopulation at heightened risk of violence.16 Nonetheless, some policymakers at the federal and state levels have targeted policy interventions to reduce gun violence at persons with SMI, proposing policies to improve screening and treatment17 and prevent persons with SMI from having guns.18 In the wake of the Newtown shooting, several statesincluding Maryland19 and New York20passed laws restricting access to firearms among those with mental illness. These states also passed gun laws unrelated to mental illness, including assault weapon bans.
The recent focus on SMI as a potentially important factor in mass shootings has generated concern among some segments of the public health community. Mental health researchers have long suspected that news media portrayals of violent persons with SMI contribute to negative public attitudes about persons with serious conditions like schizophrenia.2123 This suspicion is supported by results of a recent experimental study, which found that respondents who read a news story describing a mass shooter with SMI reported higher perceived dangerousness of and desired social distance from persons with SMI, compared with respondents randomly assigned to a control group.24 Communications research suggests that public attitudes about groups of people are heavily influenced by news media portrayals of specific individuals, particularly when the public has little experience with the group in question.25 Given that the majority of the public has no personal experience with SMI,26 news stories describing acts of gun violence by persons with SMI may exacerbate negative attitudes about an already stigmatized population. Although stigma surrounding depression and anxiety has decreased in recent years,27 widespread negative public attitudes toward persons with conditions like schizophrenia have remained steady21,28 or by some measures increased.21,29 Experts have linked these negative public attitudes to the pervasive social problems affecting persons with SMI, including undertreatment,30 poverty,31 and homelessness.31
Mental health advocates have expressed concern that the news medias focus on mass shooters with SMI could lead the public to view SMI as a common cause of gun violence.3234 Social psychology research suggests that the torrent of news stories describing mass shooting events by persons with SMI could lead the public to wrongly view SMI as a primary causal factor in such shootings. In a series of randomized experiments investigating news media coverage of poverty, for example, Iyengar found that event-focused news coverage emphasizing specific individuals or events led respondents to blame impoverished individuals themselves for the problem of poverty.35,36 By contrast, thematic news coverage of povertywhich described the issue in broad, general termsled respondents to more frequently attribute responsibility for poverty to societal factors. Importantly, Iyengar found that individual versus societal attributions of responsibility for social problems led to differing support for public policy responses.35,36 For example, respondents who blamed societal factors for poverty were more likely to support poverty reduction initiatives.35,36
In commentaries published in several prominent public health journals, experts have asserted that a misguided focus on SMI as an important cause of gun violence could lead the public to support policies that restrict the rights of persons with SMI without meaningfully reducing gun violence.3234 In particular, experts have expressed concern that policymakers might promote policies to prevent persons with SMI from having guns, rather than policies to strengthen gun laws more broadly, as an appropriate means to reduce the likelihood or severity of gun violence in the United States.34 In a 2011 commentary in JAMA, Gostin and Record argued that to reduce gun violence in the United States, policies should target the dangerous weapons used in all gun crime, not dangerous people with SMI, most of whom are not in fact violent.34 Although dangerous-people causal framing implies that responsibility for gun violence lies with a select group of individuals with SMI, dangerous-weapons framing implies that responsibility lies with widespread access to guns in US society. In line with previous work suggesting that societal attributions of responsibility for social problems may raise public support for policy solutions,35,37 framing dangerous weapons as a principal cause of gun violence may heighten public support for meaningful reform of US gun laws.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3953754/
Myth: People with mental health problems are violent and unpredictable.
Fact: The vast majority of people with mental health problems are no more likely to be violent than anyone else. Most people with mental illness are not violent and only 3%5% of violent acts can be attributed to individuals living with a serious mental illness. In fact, people with severe mental illnesses are over 10 times more likely to be victims of violent crime than the general population. You probably know someone with a mental health problem and don't even realize it, because many people with mental health problems are highly active and productive members of our communities.
https://www.mentalhealth.gov/basics/mental-health-myths-facts
I'm not religious so I think the taking someone's life is about the lowest thing someone can do since we have only have 1 life but taking guns from the mentally ill doesn't personally affect me because I don't want to own a gun but I feel like the mentally ill make a convenient scapegoat for both the right and left. Homicide is far more common or we wouldn't be having all these wars.
marble falls
(56,997 posts)him.
Midnight Writer
(21,708 posts)ripcord
(5,265 posts)I have no problem with them firing him and making sure he doesn't work in law enforcement again but they have gone overboard, charging someone should be based only on the law and not emotion.
dixiegrrrrl
(60,010 posts)I suspect the PD is facing some big lawsuits.
the key bit of info. is in the article:
They are focusing on the care he was required to give to the students as a caregiver who was responsible for their welfare, Weinstein added.
The Peterson arrest is the latest fallout from the Valentines Day 2018 shooting.
Gov. Ron DeSantis suspended then-Sheriff Scott Israel for neglect of duty and incompetence over the departments actions that day. Israel is appealing that decision to the state Senate and said he intends to run again next year.
The case also spawned a state commission that issued a 458-page report detailing a litany of errors before and during the shooting, including unaggressive Broward deputies who stayed outside the school building and the policies that led to that.
I would expect a plea deal, with fewer penalties. Prosecutors usually charge everything they can, to use as a bargaining chip.
DetroitLegalBeagle
(1,914 posts)and engage the active shooter immediately. This came about post-Columbine. Originally, some departments had trained to wait until there were 3-4 officers on scene before entering, however, this was shown to be too time consuming, especially in suburban/rural areas where the police presence is lower. Now, its nearly universal that responding officers are to immediately enter and engage the shooter. In most cases, the shooters either surrender or kill themselves whenever confronted with force. In the few cases where the shooter decides to engage with the responding officer, the shooters attention is diverted from the defenseless to the armed officer or officers.
brush
(53,740 posts)might have gotten a shot at the killer since there were several entrances to that school. That's what he was paid for.
ripcord
(5,265 posts)brush
(53,740 posts)Apparently his department doesn't It was even reported that a student running back into the school to try to save his girlfriend discovered him in his hiding place.
Sorry, I just feel that extraordinary circumstance warrant extraordinary actions, or find another profession.
ripcord
(5,265 posts)The child neglect charges will be dismissed because the kids were in the care of the school not the police, about the only thing he can be convicted of is the perjury.
Midnight Writer
(21,708 posts)Procedure is indeed wait for backup. This is not a Lethal Weapon movie. You don't need a cowardly rent a cop going all Barney Fife in a school complex with thousands of students and several buildings. You have to assume the school will be swarmed with dozens of armed cops from several units, and that requires coordination. You can't rush in going Rambo on the place. The best thing this guy could have done is help with the evacuation.
He is being charged with crimes because it is the politically expedient way to avoid responsibility for the real problem.
The real problem is that a 19 year old kid with a long history of troubled behavior is allowed, within a six month period, to buy a dozen guns and thousands of rounds of ammunition without any questioning or scrutiny because he is within his lawful rights. Right up to the second he starts shooting.
emmaverybo
(8,144 posts)Confronting the shooter and taking him or her out is now what most departments stipulate must happen. Your point that such action can result in unintended casualties is a good one, and one of the reasons this get in fast and get the shooter was not always advised.
I also agree that punishing the officer feels right and good, but does not prevent the next shooting.
What if there had been more than one shooter?
But then can schools afford more securityit seems there should have been two armed at the ready.
And of course, gun regulation and control.
Update: There were four armed and trained officers, one a resource officer, on campus and none responded.
Not sure why only one punished, the resource guy, perhaps using state law, showing he had a special relationship to the students?
brush
(53,740 posts)brush
(53,740 posts)emmaverybo
(8,144 posts)for such a situation, and none went in. He, I believe, was the resource officer.
brush
(53,740 posts)were three other officers assigned to that school
emmaverybo
(8,144 posts)officers the commander told to stand down and wait for backup. The stories seem conflicting.
I was going by what I did not realize were unclear first reports. The commander appears to have been Peterson.
So, now I dont think the school had three other officers regularly in place. Sorry, I got things muddled.
csziggy
(34,131 posts)Further delaying action that would have reduced the number of people killed and injured.
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He didnt go into the building during the shooting or investigate the source of the gunfire.
Mr. Peterson had been trained that officers responding to an active shooter must immediately go to confront the shooter and move directly and quickly toward known threat.
But he did not enter the 1200 building at the school, where the gunman was shooting students and teachers, according to an affidavit filed in support of the warrant for his arrest.
Instead, he retreated to another building nearby.
Mr. Peterson fled to a spot about 75 feet away from the 1200 building, remaining there during the entire incident in what the affidavit described as a position of increased personal safety.
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He advised other law enforcement officers to remain away from the building.
At 2:28 p.m. seven minutes after the gunman entered the building Mr. Peterson said over the radio: Broward, do not approach the 12 or 1300 buildings. Stay at least 500 feet away at this point.
During the time Mr. Peterson remained outside the building, the gunman shot and killed six of his victims, including five students, and wounded four others, according to the affidavit. Seven of those victims were students under the age of 18, which is why Mr. Peterson was charged with seven counts of felony neglect of a child.
More: https://www.nytimes.com/2019/06/04/us/scot-peterson-video-footage-parkland-shooting.html
DeminPennswoods
(15,265 posts)They are trained and taught to run to gun fire, not away from it.
Dave Starsky
(5,914 posts)Last edited Tue Jun 4, 2019, 06:14 PM - Edit history (1)
We don't pay our enlisted military six figure salaries to put their lives on the line to protect us, either. But they do it anyway, and we expect that of them.
This guy knew, going in, that 99% of the job was going to be drinking coffee, reading the newspaper, and doing the occasional patdown of a student for hidden weed. The other 1% of the time, he could very well be called upon to risk and maybe even sacrifice his own life to save the life of the students and staff.
Should he get 100 years in jail? Of course not, but he should do time.
JonLP24
(29,322 posts)If they expect them to act like superheroes?
Dave Starsky
(5,914 posts)If it's in your fucking job description.
Again, we expect this of our military and all of our first responders, every... single... day. They're not superheroes. They're doing a job that we all pay for.
This guy was obviously not equipped to do the job for which he was hired.
JonLP24
(29,322 posts)He was not equipped which is probably why they assigned him to school. They obviously didn't assign their best cop.
I was in the military. I knew someone who shot his own foot to get out of a deployment. It is hard to predict how any of us would react in any situation. Some are more scarier than others. I probably would feel safer in Iraq with armor, vehicles, weapons, etc than I would in an active shooter situation in the US.
Progressive Jones
(6,011 posts)Polybius
(15,333 posts)Would you defend him too? Yes it's dangerous, but it's their job. They signed up for that.
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marble falls
(56,997 posts)MosheFeingold
(3,051 posts)But maybe.
Regardless, what is your point?
Just because one thing is bad and people get away with it, we should let other bad things slide? Really!?
Marthe48
(16,898 posts)Are these charges going to change anything? I don't think the assholes running the country will have a change in attitude because the cop is getting blamed for not stopping the murderous crudball who killed the students. Instead of this kind of action, we should be able to fine the elected officials stalling 'reasonable' gun control laws every day they sit on their cans and do nothing while people with short fuses and murder on their minds kill people.
Initech
(100,034 posts)They'll arrest you if you don't. But... freedom, yo!
Marthe48
(16,898 posts)I don't know how many cops sign on for that. We want our cops to be superheroes, but shooting unarmed blacks for no reason makes me think that physical courage is hard to train into people. And arming people doesn't make them heroes. I think it makes some people feel secure, but that does translate into heroism? If heroism is easy to come by, why do we admire heroes?
brush
(53,740 posts)was not certain death. There were many entrances to that school. He could've entered while keeping in contact with back-up and maybe gotten a shot at the killer. Of course that would've taken courage, which is what cops are supposed to be about.
Initech
(100,034 posts)kairos12
(12,842 posts)Initech
(100,034 posts)Progressive Jones
(6,011 posts)blugbox
(951 posts)When you receive specialized training in saving lives and preventing deaths, it becomes your RESPONSIBILITY to provide help. You are guilty of negligence otherwise.
If you have a Life Guard and CPR license, you will be held negligible if you let someone drown if you could have tried to intervene and help. I see no difference. That's part of the reason taking a job like that is not something everyone can do.
brush
(53,740 posts)because they "feared for their lives."
JonLP24
(29,322 posts)Because that is the legal standard for shooting somebody "reasonable fear".
It is obvious the department didn't assign their best cop for the role they should share as much responsibility.
exboyfil
(17,862 posts)I don't like it, but it is settled law that law enforcement does not have criminal liability for a failure of duty.
The perjury charge is a possibility though. Child endangerment does not seem to fit.
sarisataka
(18,482 posts)On the same line. As much as people won't want to hear it, police have no duty to act.
X_Digger
(18,585 posts)Good samaritan laws protect those who choose (or choose not) to help.
Especially if helping someone involves risking your own life, how can you be made obligated to do so?
truthisfreedom
(23,138 posts)How many dead and injured because he couldnt do his job?
Demon Dem
(43 posts)Is there some sort of curse on that name???
sarisataka
(18,482 posts)He had a legal "special duty" to defend the students of the school.
Not just simply a duty by being assigned to the school but a verified duty to protect them from harm. That may be in the contract of a school resource officer.
If there is no such duty, I would expect most charges to be thrown out under the precedent police have no duty to protect any specific individual.
He is on his own on the perjury charge
X_Digger
(18,585 posts)There are at least 30 cases, ranging as far back as the 18th century to 2010, from courts at local, state, and national level. It's even in the California state code.
The perjury charge has teeth though.
emmaverybo
(8,144 posts)Last edited Wed Jun 5, 2019, 08:06 AM - Edit history (1)
charge or use of State vs. Federal law? Some State laws go wider in what constitutes a special relationship. Wow. Thanks for post. Havent studied police duties since before this decision.
Update: seems the charges in this civil case might over ride the immunity offered by the fed law.
Jimvanhise
(300 posts)When the Columbine massacre was happening, students called 911 screaming for help but at least a dozen heavily armed police officers wearing body armor stood around outside, literally afraid to go inside to confront the shooters. They only entered after the shooting inside stopped and people died because of their fear of confrontation. Did they ever answer for that or was it just standard practice?
csziggy
(34,131 posts)And probably why they made the decision to charge Peterson with child neglect. The department guidelines said he was supposed to go in right away. Instead he hid for 45 minutes while children and teachers were murdered. When additional police arrive he told them to stay away.
Peterson ACTIVELY prevented help arriving quickly.
3 Steps That Ex-Officer Scot Peterson Is Accused of Missing in Shooting - the article includes video of Peterson hiding while children were being killed. This article includes a time line and video of his actions.
YOHABLO
(7,358 posts)It might have been suicide Peterson rather than heroism. Maybe I'm wrong. I'm sure someone will attack me on this.
LisaL
(44,972 posts)I am not sure how the guy can be charged for neglect when it would have involved him risking his own life and most likely getting killed if he did go in.
Skittles
(153,111 posts)he was in retirement mode
Midnight Writer
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