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Tue Jun 11, 2019, 11:30 PM

'A promise has been kept': Trump is cheered in Council Bluffs after lifting ethanol ban

Source: Omaha World Herald

By Roseann Moring and Joseph Morton

President Donald Trump did a victory lap with Iowa and Nebraska farmers on Tuesday, touting his administration’s move to lift a ban on selling gasoline mixed with 15% ethanol during summer months.

And he certainly received accolades from elected officials, industry groups and farmers for the move.

“A promise has been made. That promise was made by President Trump. And folks, a promise has been kept,” said Sen. Joni Ernst, R-Iowa. “And today I say to you, Mr. President, thank you.”

But at the Southwest Iowa Renewable Energy facility, he also heard about his administration's liberal granting of waivers on ethanol use by oil companies — even by speakers who shared the stage with him.




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Reply 'A promise has been kept': Trump is cheered in Council Bluffs after lifting ethanol ban (Original post)
Omaha Steve Tuesday OP
sprinkleeninow Tuesday #1
SunSeeker Tuesday #3
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Talitha Wednesday #5
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Achilleaze Wednesday #13
nitpicker Wednesday #14
lunasun Tuesday #4
BigmanPigman Wednesday #7
Scarsdale Wednesday #18
Lulu KC Wednesday #21
TheBlackAdder Wednesday #8
hobby10113 Wednesday #20
TheBlackAdder Wednesday #24
lostnfound Wednesday #9
rurallib Wednesday #17
lostnfound Thursday #34
rurallib Thursday #35
lostnfound Yesterday #36
TeamPooka Wednesday #10
KY_EnviroGuy Wednesday #11
The Mouth Wednesday #31
Liberty Belle Wednesday #12
Vinca Wednesday #15
JustABozoOnThisBus Wednesday #26
Vinca Wednesday #32
Polybius Wednesday #33
hatrack Wednesday #16
Scarsdale Wednesday #19
LogicFirst Wednesday #22
Hotler Wednesday #23
hunter Wednesday #25
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cutroot Wednesday #27
Turbineguy Wednesday #28
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Response to Omaha Steve (Original post)

Tue Jun 11, 2019, 11:34 PM

1. I honestly don't know how to think anymore. n/t

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Response to sprinkleeninow (Reply #1)

Tue Jun 11, 2019, 11:46 PM

3. Ethanol burns dirty, especially in the warm, sunny summer months.

That is why the EPA banned its summertime use back in 2011.

Trump lifting that ban will not really help farmers, but it will definitely increase greenhouse gas emissions.

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Response to SunSeeker (Reply #3)

Wed Jun 12, 2019, 12:08 AM

6. And the deceived will lap this up as gospel from the worker of iniquity. eom

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Response to Omaha Steve (Original post)

Tue Jun 11, 2019, 11:43 PM

2. Dirtier air. Pretty messed up promise.

Ethanol is a biofuel that can be made from an array of starchy plants — but is most commonly made by fermenting corn. Mixing gasoline with a greater percentage of ethanol increases the overall volatility of the fuel, resulting in more emissions that react with sunlight to create smog. In some regions, ethanol fuels can be cheaper per gallon at the pump, but they can result in reduced fuel economy, meaning they may not be a better deal for some consumers by the mile. In the mid-2000s, legislation aimed at reducing U.S. dependence on foreign oil and decreasing fossil fuel emissions established the Renewable Fuel Standard program. Since then, incorporating biofuels like ethanol into the U.S. energy mix has been federally mandated. But E15’s contribution to air pollution led to the EPA banning it during summer months in 2011. https://grist.org/article/ethanol-fuel-e15-big-oil-climate-summer-epa/

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Response to SunSeeker (Reply #2)

Wed Jun 12, 2019, 12:01 AM

5. Thanks for the info and the link!

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Response to SunSeeker (Reply #2)

Wed Jun 12, 2019, 05:30 AM

13. .

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Response to SunSeeker (Reply #2)

Wed Jun 12, 2019, 06:14 AM

14. I call it AIRTHANOL.

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Response to Omaha Steve (Original post)

Tue Jun 11, 2019, 11:52 PM

4. Greedy people all they care about is supposed profit from lifting the ban . Pollution isn't man made

to them just God’s will
As for the younger people clapping and smiling in the photo they are double greedy and dumb

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Response to Omaha Steve (Original post)

Wed Jun 12, 2019, 12:34 AM

7. He looks like he is a wax statue in that photo.

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Response to BigmanPigman (Reply #7)

Wed Jun 12, 2019, 08:06 AM

18. That is his

"presidential look" So fine a gentleman, upstanding doing the will of the people. Yeah, right. So, does Ernst have competition for her seat?? Did she wear those bread wrappers on her feet for the trip on AF 1? The sh*t must be really deep in there, with tRump spewing his BS.

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Response to BigmanPigman (Reply #7)

Wed Jun 12, 2019, 10:25 AM

21. yes, eerie n/t

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Response to Omaha Steve (Original post)

Wed Jun 12, 2019, 01:12 AM

8. Haha! Scotty Kilmer said he would do this months ago! Most cars run like shit over 10% ethanol.

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He has a car care YouTube Channel, which he provides as a service to viewers.

e15 will work on FlexFuel vehicles without a problem, but most non-Flex vehicles will have multiple problems operating and many people will send their cars to mechanics to find out why their cars are not running properly. He tells people to go out and buy a plastic gas tube to see what amount of ethanol is in your gas--you should do this whenever your car runs like shit. Many gas stations will sell gas with more ethanol than 10% in it as a way to make money. Meanwhile, drivers think something is wrong with their cars.


There's a reason why only 10% ethanol is added to gas, most cars run like shit with more!

Also, ethanol contains 20% less energy than gas, which means more gas has to be sold. A gift to Big Oil too!



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Response to TheBlackAdder (Reply #8)

Wed Jun 12, 2019, 10:18 AM

20. was just looking at the gasbuddy forums

That place tends to be a right wing heaven but noticed a lot of people are upset about the e15 standard there. Also some people were actually bashing trump. I hope this is a good sign. On my gas cap on my Yaris there is a e-15 with a no symbol over it

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Response to hobby10113 (Reply #20)

Wed Jun 12, 2019, 10:34 AM

24. If your car can handle a max of e15, that means shady gas stattions might sell you e20 or more.

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If you notice your car is running rough or funny, perhaps get one of those ethanol test tubes to check the gas.

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Response to Omaha Steve (Original post)

Wed Jun 12, 2019, 02:10 AM

9. They've only planted about 50% of the corn they usually plant. Timing makes not much sense.

Ethanol uses around 30% of corn,iirc.

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Response to lostnfound (Reply #9)

Wed Jun 12, 2019, 07:57 AM

17. It quit raining, so that percentage is now much higher

think I heard 90% yesterday

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Response to rurallib (Reply #17)

Thu Jun 13, 2019, 01:34 PM

34. Good to hear. As of May 28 it was at 58% across 18 top states, now 83%

https://www.nass.usda.gov/Publications/Todays_Reports/reports/prog2219.pdf

This shows 83%. But the percent that has emerged is very low, due to late planting, so what does that mean for its survival if cold weather comes early?

https://www.agweb.com/corn-planting-map/

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Response to lostnfound (Reply #34)

Thu Jun 13, 2019, 03:04 PM

35. Not sure - was discussing this with some friends at dinner the other night

None of us are farmers. I had always been told that planting after June 1st was extremely iffy due to weather, especially the cold weather you mention.
My friend informed me that genetics and hybridization had made that s non-issue long ago. He said that there are now several varieties that can go from planting to mature in 60 days. I can't verify that, but considering how corn has been manipulated in recent years that certainly doesn't sound far fetched.

The next question would be seed supply of such hybrids. No idea on that either.

Just came back from lunch and noticed that a lot of fields had bare spots that were probably avoided during planting due to the soggy ground. Don't know if that will add up to substantial acres or not. My guess would be not.

Also don't know how much is still in storage. If I recall correctly last year was a super bin buster, so that excess may be enough to cover any shortfall.

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Response to rurallib (Reply #35)

Fri Jun 14, 2019, 07:01 PM

36. Thanks for the informed perspective..

That’s interesting point about accelerated maturation. 👍

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Response to Omaha Steve (Original post)

Wed Jun 12, 2019, 02:31 AM

10. Trump is a planet killer.

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Response to Omaha Steve (Original post)

Wed Jun 12, 2019, 03:07 AM

11. Here's the political rub and coming backlash.

Scenario: Democrats win in 2020 and reestablish this ban. Republican make a huge deal of it for campaign fodder down the road, making it even harder for Democrats to win red districts. This is 100% a political ploy by GOP strategists.

The environmental progress we've made in the last several decades should not be reversible by the stoke of a pen by any President. Allowing these rules to be established, then reversed, then reestablished is insanity. Congress should somehow step in and firm these rules into law.

Obviously we need to continue drifting away from fossil fuels completely and stop adulterating the supply chain for food products like corn. Whether we agree with ethanol use or not, the established environmental rules should not be used as political tokens to score campaign points. Republicans are on the losing end of these arguments but can't seem to stop playing laissez-faire politics with our environment and health.

KY......

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Response to KY_EnviroGuy (Reply #11)

Wed Jun 12, 2019, 12:18 PM

31. The danger is

that *anything* that can be created or accomplished by executive order can generally be undone by executive order.

It cuts both ways. But once something is in place for two or more terms it usually is pretty secure.

But generally, be it a great or a horrible thing, unless it goes through Congress, if one president can do it, the next can undo it...

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Response to Omaha Steve (Original post)

Wed Jun 12, 2019, 03:37 AM

12. 15% ethanol can destroy engines in older cars made before 2004 especially:

https://www.bellperformance.com/blog/how-to-protect-your-car-from-ethanol-damage

Your engine can actually be destroyed if the ethanol content in the fuel you use is too high. That’s one reason AAA has come out against the new 15% ethanol blends. They’re only supposed to be used in the most recent vehicles. But a lot of consumers are confused about the difference, and there likely will be many cases where E15 is fueled into a vehicle not designed to handle it. In some cases, the cost to replace the engine in a vehicle is more expensive than just purchasing a new car. And the large majority of insurance companies do not provide coverage for these types of damages and losses, so you are on your own if this happens to you.

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Response to Omaha Steve (Original post)

Wed Jun 12, 2019, 06:51 AM

15. Gasoline, with or without ethanol, will be going the way of the dinosaur soon. Back to the future??

It's a shame the cult will lap this up and buy every bit of it.

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Response to Vinca (Reply #15)

Wed Jun 12, 2019, 10:44 AM

26. What do you mean, "soon"?

Within our lifetimes? Our grandchildren's lifetimes?

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Response to JustABozoOnThisBus (Reply #26)

Wed Jun 12, 2019, 01:00 PM

32. If I had a date certain I would be investing in solar car companies.

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Response to Vinca (Reply #32)

Wed Jun 12, 2019, 03:40 PM

33. 2076

That's my prediction, and well over 2100 before we stop seeing pre-2076 older cars on a daily basis.

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Response to Omaha Steve (Original post)

Wed Jun 12, 2019, 07:30 AM

16. How much corn planted w/i 25 miles of Council Bluffs?

Not very fucking much.

How many people in the audience were corn farmers?

Not very fucking many.

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Response to hatrack (Reply #16)

Wed Jun 12, 2019, 08:10 AM

19. Paid attendees?

Are these the people who could not attend the Biden rally, so settled for Agent Orange's? Some people must like listening to this crazy president drone on and on about everything he knows nothing about.

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Response to Omaha Steve (Original post)

Wed Jun 12, 2019, 10:28 AM

22. Trump wants to keep his voters happy

so they can breathe filthy summer air. The current EPA will never admit any increase in pollution, filing "feel good" reports of clean air.

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Response to Omaha Steve (Original post)

Wed Jun 12, 2019, 10:34 AM

23. That shit is bad for motorcycles, atv's and

other small equipment.

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Response to Omaha Steve (Original post)

Wed Jun 12, 2019, 10:40 AM

25. Farms growing corn for ethanol need to be bought out and restored to their natural state.

And then repopulated with their natural fauna, wolves and all...

The cult of the farmer and rural america needs to die.

No, this is not sound Democratic policy. I'm a radical environmentalist.

But I'll ALWAYS vote Democratic because Republicans are always worse, supporting bullshit like this.

Actually Republican don't give a shit about farmers, whether they live or die, their struggles, except as rubes they can con out of their votes -- making them vote against their own best interests and the people of the United States by bamboozling them with shit legislation like this.

I remember when rural people were skeptical of big New York City con men like Trump. What happened? I'm pretty sure it was Fox News and hate radio. Like the corn ethanol industry, commercial broadcasting needs to be shut down. Just a few big dirty money entities have captured entire radio spectrums for their own commercial, political, and religious purposes. Yet the radio spectrum belongs to the people, just like air. It's our right and our duty to keep it clean.

In the modern digital age, ANYONE ought to be able to open a radio or television station, limited only by the time they are willing to invest, and the size of the electric bill they are willing to pay. But only one station each, with limitations on commercial national syndicated content to maybe four hours a day, all other content having local origin -- local disc jockeys, local news people, locally produced commercial, locally produced shows.

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Response to hunter (Reply #25)

Wed Jun 12, 2019, 11:08 AM

29. That was the talk for North Dakota for years

Instead they are regularly planting soy beans in addition to the wheat and corn. Soybeans went from 60 million bushels in 2000 to 200 million bushels in 2014. It is the largest cash crop in North Dakota now (or was the year I looked at it).

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Response to Omaha Steve (Original post)

Wed Jun 12, 2019, 10:47 AM

27. Those idiots would cheer if he told them that he took a dump in the punch bowl.

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Response to Omaha Steve (Original post)

Wed Jun 12, 2019, 11:05 AM

28. I don't understand how this helps Putin.

Yeah, it harms our country, so it's good in that respect, but we all share the environment.

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Response to Omaha Steve (Original post)

Wed Jun 12, 2019, 11:33 AM

30. I'm not using 15% ethanol if I can help it,

I will boycott it if I can. Once 1 gas station goes to 15% I suppose they will all go?

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Response to Omaha Steve (Original post)

Fri Jun 14, 2019, 10:15 PM

37. Won't help with boat owners in Florida.

Even E10 can wreck a boats fuel system. Hatred of ethanol fuel cuts across all partisan lines among boaters in Florida. E15 would be a disaster.

The upside? With all our boats is is easy and getting easier to find non ethanol fuel here. I burn it in my truck. While more expensive per gallon, the increase I get in mileage almost balances it out. Not quite. But at least my truck runs well.

There is a station in North Florida south of Tallahassee that sells 93 octane ethanol free. People with imported cars that require high octane drive 25 miles away to fill up there.

Totally off subject. I am a big supporter of electric cars and plan on getting one in the future. At least a hybrid. Are there any plans to make Hybrid trucks than can pull over 5000lbs? We are gonna need them.

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