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DonViejo

(60,536 posts)
Sat Jun 15, 2019, 10:29 AM Jun 2019

Trump throws support behind 'no brainer' measure to ban burning of American flag

Source: The Hill



BY TAL AXELROD - 06/15/19 09:55 AM EDT

President Trump threw his support behind a new effort to ban burning the American flag on Saturday, challenging a decades-old Supreme Court ruling that established flag burning was a protected form of speech.

“All in for Senator Steve Daines as he proposes an Amendment for a strong BAN on burning our American Flag. A no brainer!” Trump tweeted Saturday morning.




Sen. Steve Daines (R-Mont.) and Rep. Steve Womack (R-Ark.) reintroduced companion legislation in the Senate and House on Friday, which was Flag Day, to restore “Congress’s constitutional authority to ban the desecration of the United States flag.”

Forty-eight states previously had laws against flag burning until the 1989 Texas v. Johnson Supreme Court decision ruled that the act was protected under the First Amendment’s freedom of speech clause.

Read more: https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/448715-trump-throws-support-behind-no-brainer-measure-to-ban-burning-of
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Trump throws support behind 'no brainer' measure to ban burning of American flag (Original Post) DonViejo Jun 2019 OP
Yep, let's take away more Constitutional rights of citizens and Congress. Then we sinkingfeeling Jun 2019 #1
You got to be kidding Gothmog Jun 2019 #2
Someone needs to tell Trump in a Tweet....... ProudMNDemocrat Jun 2019 #3
your fish is my command keroro gunsou Jun 2019 #63
Oh, that 'No Brainer' comment makes snarky commenting absolutely NO challenge. Siwsan Jun 2019 #4
He said it all Roy Rolling Jun 2019 #59
Looking for a "popular", "no brainer" way to pry open the constitution. Zoonart Jun 2019 #5
Bill Hicks had the best take in this. rownesheck Jun 2019 #6
Um...The First Amendment?! B Stieg Jun 2019 #7
According to the United States Flag code dvan Jun 2019 #8
Exactly! Burning is the proper be way to dispose of NewDayOranges Jun 2019 #27
It's what you're thinking about while you burn the Flag that matters. LastLiberal in PalmSprings Jun 2019 #56
I'd say that any flag made in China... dchill Jun 2019 #42
Which is not what they're talking about. Of course. n/t Igel Jun 2019 #50
If I may I'd like to comment on the writing of the article underpants Jun 2019 #9
Relax, it's just this Saturday lordsummerisle Jun 2019 #47
Wow, digging up "flag burning" yet again not fooled Jun 2019 #10
Injecting more divisiveness into the country, as per the kremlin's wishes PSPS Jun 2019 #11
THIS, bringing flag burning back to life to inflame conservatives Hortensis Jun 2019 #12
The Constitution is such a nuisance, isn't it? The Velveteen Ocelot Jun 2019 #13
Isn't burning the way you retire "damaged" flags? sakabatou Jun 2019 #14
Yep. Them's the rules. truthisfreedom Jun 2019 #19
Has this been a problem? JohnnyRingo Jun 2019 #15
Exactly! They are part of the Senate Majority that is holding up over 100 bills from the House. mtngirl47 Jun 2019 #36
I won't burn a flag but won't fly it Marthe48 Jun 2019 #16
I like that analogy n/t lordsummerisle Jun 2019 #48
thanks Marthe48 Jun 2019 #61
More pandering Auggie Jun 2019 #17
Traitor tyrant. First amendment hater. truthisfreedom Jun 2019 #18
Hmmm...so they want to outlaw "flag desecration" jmowreader Jun 2019 #20
Trump dry-humping it on stage is OK though. SergeStorms Jun 2019 #24
This message was self-deleted by its author geralmar Jun 2019 #32
Don't remind us jmowreader Jun 2019 #53
Short answer.... SergeStorms Jun 2019 #55
When visiting my (now deceased) father a few years ago in California trev Jun 2019 #54
Here's my Faxzero free fax to Senators Daines and Womack: Ramsey Barner Jun 2019 #21
This message was self-deleted by its author geralmar Jun 2019 #35
Trump has no qualms about shitting on the Constitution... SergeStorms Jun 2019 #22
Trump and 'no brainer' go together left-of-center2012 Jun 2019 #23
Can we also ban the shameless and disrespectful hugging and humping Marie Marie Jun 2019 #25
That's the worst sort of flag desecration - The Velveteen Ocelot Jun 2019 #26
What's the MO? To make a new amendment that cancels the First Amendment? no_hypocrisy Jun 2019 #28
I haven't seen a flag burned since the sixties C_U_L8R Jun 2019 #29
This message was self-deleted by its author geralmar Jun 2019 #30
Here we go... jberryhill Jun 2019 #31
First the flag, then kneeling, reporting, social commentary & finally thought they wanna make crimes Bernardo de La Paz Jun 2019 #33
Flag code for...some moonseller66 Jun 2019 #34
Trump desecrated a flag by autographing it, but I Politicub Jun 2019 #37
This message was self-deleted by its author geralmar Jun 2019 #38
Flag Humper 45: "I dk what the 13 stripes represent." keithbvadu2 Jun 2019 #39
"If there is any fixed star in our constitutional constellation, it is that...." mahatmakanejeeves Jun 2019 #40
That's come under attack in all sorts of ways. Igel Jun 2019 #51
yep, that's you you flaming oreange asshole Kali Jun 2019 #41
This is going to cause a rash of flag burning... dchill Jun 2019 #43
Will this include only flags, or flag-like print? moriah Jun 2019 #44
Like this? The Velveteen Ocelot Jun 2019 #49
Of course it was a "no brainer" ...It came from Donald, "no brain" Trump.! Stuart G Jun 2019 #45
"It'll be OK if Russians hack our elections because we want to jail flag burners!" struggle4progress Jun 2019 #46
These people are too GD stupid to understand the 1st Amendment. YOHABLO Jun 2019 #52
Ugh! The silliness of idols. paleotn Jun 2019 #57
As vet who gets goosebumps seeing the colors, thats a very bad idea. marble falls Jun 2019 #58
Trump remembers Bush beating Dukakis by focusing on the flag burning amendment andym Jun 2019 #60
Congress passes an unconstitutional law, the courts strike it down.. again. Morons. n/t X_Digger Jun 2019 #62
Queue up footage of the Elian Gonzalez riots from 2000. Paladin Jun 2019 #64

sinkingfeeling

(51,280 posts)
1. Yep, let's take away more Constitutional rights of citizens and Congress. Then we
Sat Jun 15, 2019, 10:33 AM
Jun 2019

can celebrate our new dictatorship July 4th.

ProudMNDemocrat

(16,497 posts)
3. Someone needs to tell Trump in a Tweet.......
Sat Jun 15, 2019, 10:33 AM
Jun 2019

"Then stop wiping your ass with it and it won't be burned."

I am waiting.

Zoonart

(11,750 posts)
5. Looking for a "popular", "no brainer" way to pry open the constitution.
Sat Jun 15, 2019, 10:37 AM
Jun 2019

to date 28 states have signed on and are only six shy. Be sure to sip down to "Why this is a BAD idea."

https://www.commoncause.org/resource/u-s-constitution-threatened-as-article-v-convention-movement-nears-success/

rownesheck

(2,343 posts)
6. Bill Hicks had the best take in this.
Sat Jun 15, 2019, 10:45 AM
Jun 2019

Basically saying the supreme court didn't say you HAVE to burn your flag in that 1989 decision, but that perhaps someone shouldn't go to jail for a year if they did burn the flag.

"My daddy died fighting in Korea for that flag!"
"What a coincidence! Mine was made in Korea!"
"Your daddy didn't die for the flag. It's a piece of cloth.
He died for what the flag represents: freedom. Which
includes freedom to burn the fuckin flag."

His routine on flag burning should be used in court by any lawyer defending the right to desecrate the flag.

dvan

(79 posts)
8. According to the United States Flag code
Sat Jun 15, 2019, 10:53 AM
Jun 2019

The United States Flag Code (4 USC Sec 8 Para (k) Amended 7 July 1976) states: "The Flag, when it is in such condition that it is no longer a fitting emblem of display, should be destroyed in a dignified way, preferably by burning."

NewDayOranges

(691 posts)
27. Exactly! Burning is the proper be way to dispose of
Sat Jun 15, 2019, 01:40 PM
Jun 2019

A desecrated, tattered or disrespected flag!

Flag burning and abortion are 2 of many bait issues for Americans!

56. It's what you're thinking about while you burn the Flag that matters.
Sat Jun 15, 2019, 09:00 PM
Jun 2019

If as you're burning the Flag you're thinking that this country has been chosen by God to bring Christ's message to Earth, then it's okay to burn the Flag.

However, if you are thinking that our nation was formed by imperfect men, and that by burning the Flag you are drawing attention to some of those imperfections (racism, for example) in an attempt to change them and improve our country, then you are obviously a heretic whose deeds must be punished.

It's all about what you're thinking.

Also, it's not a big step from making burning the Flag illegal to making taking a knee during the National Anthem punishable.

It's funny how many of those who support an amendment to ban Flag-burning have avoided any kind of service to their country. I listen to right-wing radio occasionally and wonder how many veterans there are in their ranks?

dchill

(38,324 posts)
42. I'd say that any flag made in China...
Sat Jun 15, 2019, 03:47 PM
Jun 2019

... is already not a fitting emblem, and therefore suitable for burning.

underpants

(182,284 posts)
9. If I may I'd like to comment on the writing of the article
Sat Jun 15, 2019, 10:56 AM
Jun 2019

It sounds like the ban is only for burning flags on Saturday OR that it's just this Saturday

not fooled

(5,791 posts)
10. Wow, digging up "flag burning" yet again
Sat Jun 15, 2019, 10:57 AM
Jun 2019

that's straight outta the puke playbook 101. Just this generation's iteration.

puke strategists casting about for something, anything to make red don appear to be a patriotic 'Murican.


The last refuge of scoundrels, indeed.




Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
12. THIS, bringing flag burning back to life to inflame conservatives
Sat Jun 15, 2019, 11:22 AM
Jun 2019

with a big election coming up. This almost certainly means RW media will no longer refuse to cover flag burnings.* It also means that, with the satisfying incentives of attention and outrage restored, some of their idiot counterparts on the left will have reason to burn again.

* For those who don't remember, Fox and the rest stopped covering flag burnings and claiming that that free speech should be a felony at the time the Citizens United case was headed for the Supreme Court, seeking to establish that political donations were free speech protected by the First. So foreseeing the obvious of flag burnings while Citizens was in the news, McConnell and others just eliminated that blatant hypocrisy for opponents to argue. That's why, without Fox etc pushing outrage, the right had mostly forgotten all about it for the last decade.

I'm going to get out our flag and hang it up before traitors start displaying again and claiming ownership of patriotism.

JohnnyRingo

(18,581 posts)
15. Has this been a problem?
Sat Jun 15, 2019, 11:36 AM
Jun 2019

Of course it hasn't, but an amendment will assure that it becomes a part of many protests in the future.

Can these congressmen find something more constructive to work on? Something like firearm background checks, food safety, or carbon pollution. Do your jobs instead of grandstanding for the neanderthal vote.

Marthe48

(16,696 posts)
16. I won't burn a flag but won't fly it
Sat Jun 15, 2019, 11:52 AM
Jun 2019

as long that that traitorous p.o.s. is in the White House. I didn't fly it the whole time bush was in there, either. I wanted to fly it upside down but my husband discouraged it.

I also won't decorate outside for Christmas as long as we are a nation occupied by traitors collaborating with enemies.

If that p.o.s. had a thought in his head, if he had any goal or vision, even if it were evil, but he doesn't. I saw a picture of a moose that busted through a plate glass window of defunct pizza shop. The moose had no reason to break in. It didn't look good, it didn't smell good. but it broke in, causing damage for no reason. Then left. trump is like the moose, in a place he has no reason to be, causing damage for no reason, just mindless destruction. Beyond taking money and believing that people are for real kissing his fat ass, he has no concept of what he is doing or why he is doing it.

jmowreader

(50,453 posts)
20. Hmmm...so they want to outlaw "flag desecration"
Sat Jun 15, 2019, 12:11 PM
Jun 2019

Does this mean that “desecrating a flag by flying it from the back bumper of their pickup until it falls to shreds” will become a capital offense?

SergeStorms

(18,907 posts)
24. Trump dry-humping it on stage is OK though.
Sat Jun 15, 2019, 01:30 PM
Jun 2019

If Trump humped my flag I'd bury it in a lead-lined coffin in a hole 20' deep, filled with concrete. There are just some things you don't do to the American flag!

Response to SergeStorms (Reply #24)

jmowreader

(50,453 posts)
53. Don't remind us
Sat Jun 15, 2019, 06:29 PM
Jun 2019

We're at the point where our president will need to be accompanied by a professional heavyweight boxer. Mike Tyson would do fine. Every time Trump does something stupid, it will be the boxer's sacred and sworn duty to walk up and punch Trump's lights out.

The only question is, would Trump learn to stop doing stupid shit before he got his head caved in?

trev

(1,480 posts)
54. When visiting my (now deceased) father a few years ago in California
Sat Jun 15, 2019, 06:30 PM
Jun 2019

we drove past a shop that was flying a faded, weathered, tattered flag from a pole in its yard. The red stripes were literally orange! My WWII vet father couldn't understand my reaction of disgust. I tried to get him to stop so I could explain to the shopowner how disrespectful he was being. He wouldn't.

I would never burn a flag in protest, but I won't dishonor it through neglect, either.

When I got out of the Army, they had just switched from the BDU garrison cap to the black beret. Naturally, the berets were made in China.

Ramsey Barner

(349 posts)
21. Here's my Faxzero free fax to Senators Daines and Womack:
Sat Jun 15, 2019, 12:21 PM
Jun 2019

Re: banning flag-burning.

Dear Senator ...

I'd be more impressed if you guys did one thing, anything, in your entire time in office to protect what the flag stands for, rather than to protect a cheap piece of fabric that was probably manufactured in a foreign country. Your party has lost its soul.

Regards,

....

Response to Ramsey Barner (Reply #21)

SergeStorms

(18,907 posts)
22. Trump has no qualms about shitting on the Constitution...
Sat Jun 15, 2019, 01:25 PM
Jun 2019

but don't you dare disrespect that cloth flag!

Truck Fump.

C_U_L8R

(44,897 posts)
29. I haven't seen a flag burned since the sixties
Sat Jun 15, 2019, 01:55 PM
Jun 2019

But recent flag humping is certainly desecration and just pathetic

Response to DonViejo (Original post)

 

jberryhill

(62,444 posts)
31. Here we go...
Sat Jun 15, 2019, 02:03 PM
Jun 2019

This is bait, folks. Don’t take it.

https://www.upi.com/Archives/1989/07/18/Biden-proposes-flag-bill-amid-questions/4540616737600/

Biden proposes flag bill amid questions

Biden's bill would change the wording of previous anti-flag desecration laws in a way that he believes would pass constitutional muster, despite the court's ruling.

moonseller66

(430 posts)
34. Flag code for...some
Sat Jun 15, 2019, 02:23 PM
Jun 2019

The FLade Code also states:

§174. Time and occasions for display

(a) Display on buildings and stationary flagstaffs in open; night display

It is the universal custom to display the flag only from sunrise to sunset on buildings and on stationary flagstaffs in the open. However, when a patriotic effect is desired, the flag may be displayed twenty-four hours a day if properly illuminated during the hours of darkness.
(b) Manner of hoisting

The flag should be hoisted briskly and lowered ceremoniously.
(c) Inclement weather

The flag should not be displayed on days when the weather is inclement, except when an all weather flag is displayed.


So the tattered and torn and hardly recognizable in 60 mph redneck MAGAt's speeding pick 'em up's are all taken down at night, not flown on their chick-mobiles or are at least illuminated at night parked in front of Bubba's Rib, Hoof and Hogfoot Emporiam while they spend their Kavanagh Night liking beer, beer, beer?

I see so many faux patriots displaying flags in their front yards 24/7, unlit at night, in the worst weather (too much trouble to take it down and put it back up) yet bitching about today's DFHs...

I'd advise them to read the code but most can't or think they don't need to.

And when you point it out to them they do one of two things: tell you to fuck off, they're patriots and want to kick your ass or ignore it.

America: love it or fuck it up for your own beliefs.


Response to DonViejo (Original post)

mahatmakanejeeves

(56,906 posts)
40. "If there is any fixed star in our constitutional constellation, it is that...."
Sat Jun 15, 2019, 03:22 PM
Jun 2019
If there is any fixed star in our constitutional constellation, it is that no official, high or petty, can prescribe what shall be orthodox in politics, nationalism, religion, or other matters of opinion or force citizens to confess by word or act their faith therein.

Happy 76th anniversary, West Virginia State Board of Education v. Barnette

Igel

(35,197 posts)
51. That's come under attack in all sorts of ways.
Sat Jun 15, 2019, 06:07 PM
Jun 2019

From wanting to ban "hate speech" to not wanting to let people practice values that were, until a couple of years ago, completely normal and even normative.

moriah

(8,311 posts)
44. Will this include only flags, or flag-like print?
Sat Jun 15, 2019, 04:04 PM
Jun 2019

We gotta outlaw flag bikinis that involve apparently Old Glory getting sat upon or shoved up buttcrack if we're gonna truly outlaw desecration of the flag.

paleotn

(17,781 posts)
57. Ugh! The silliness of idols.
Sat Jun 15, 2019, 11:51 PM
Jun 2019

Refuge of the weak minded. America is an idea. A set of abstract concepts. Not a bunch of silly symbols. It's an idea America many times has failed to live up to, but the idea remains. A part of that idea of America is the concept of freedom of speech. Another more nefarious concept is to crudely score political points with bullshit legislation, meant only to stir up the less thoughtful among us. That's rethuglican's stock and trade.

andym

(5,441 posts)
60. Trump remembers Bush beating Dukakis by focusing on the flag burning amendment
Sun Jun 16, 2019, 10:04 AM
Jun 2019

Willie Horton, and the ACLU.

Paladin

(28,204 posts)
64. Queue up footage of the Elian Gonzalez riots from 2000.
Sun Jun 16, 2019, 02:06 PM
Jun 2019

Right-wingers in Miami couldn't stack up U.S. flags in big-enough piles, before setting them on fire. Never ever believe that the right values the national flag more than the left. Unlike trump, we lefties don't use the flag for toilet paper...

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