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turbinetree

(24,683 posts)
Wed Jun 19, 2019, 05:28 PM Jun 2019

Pilots criticize Boeing for mistakes on its grounded jet

Source: Associated Press

By DAVID KOENIG and TOM KRISHER 15 minutes ago

Airline union leaders and a famed former pilot said Wednesday that Boeing made mistakes while developing the 737 Max, and the biggest was not telling anybody about new flight-control software so pilots could train for it.

Chesley “Sully” Sullenberger, who landed a crippled airliner safely on the Hudson River in 2009, said he doubted that any U.S. pilots practiced handling a specific malfunction until it happened on two Max jets that crashed, killing 346 people. Max pilots should train for such emergencies in simulators — not just on computers, as Boeing proposes, he said.

“We should all want pilots to experience these challenging situations for the first time in a simulator, not in flight, with passengers and crew on board,” Sullenberger said, adding that “reading about it on an iPad is not even close to sufficient.”

Sullenberger’s comments to the House aviation subcommittee came during the third congressional hearing on Boeing’s troubled plane, which has been grounded for three months.

Read more: https://www.apnews.com/235e8471f4cd47a1a967bed019005f94



Let me also add, if the technician (Licensed Airframe and PowerPlant Mechanic which I was ) working the flight line, does not have the Maintenance Manual procedure to check for the failed Angle of Attack sensor for this aircraft or the Line Replacement Unit (LRU) or to simulate the drive on that elevator and to get that stick shaker to activate, and if there had been a write-up to that fault to perform that check.....................and it is just not there in the manual............................this just pisses me off..........................
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Pilots criticize Boeing for mistakes on its grounded jet (Original Post) turbinetree Jun 2019 OP
One hopes Sherman A1 Jun 2019 #1
It will, in my opinion, and in the opinions of many others. I wonder if.. Stuart G Jun 2019 #2
Not sure how it could not have been known Sherman A1 Jun 2019 #4
Do you think they trying to avoid $$$ to retrain pilots on the new plane? hedda_foil Jun 2019 #6
I believe that the design is fundamentally flawed Sherman A1 Jun 2019 #7
Are you saying it's unflyable or unsafe to fly no matter what they do? hedda_foil Jun 2019 #8
It is obviously flyable Sherman A1 Jun 2019 #9
Thanks Sherman! hedda_foil Jun 2019 #10
This is just my opinion Sherman A1 Jun 2019 #11
Thank God Sully is saying it - everyone will listen to him FakeNoose Jun 2019 #3
The most important thing Corgigal Jun 2019 #5
I was supposed to fly on one... a la izquierda Jun 2019 #12
Lord, Corgigal Jun 2019 #13

Stuart G

(38,403 posts)
2. It will, in my opinion, and in the opinions of many others. I wonder if..
Wed Jun 19, 2019, 08:14 PM
Jun 2019

there were engineers at Boeing who warned of this ahead of time.? If there were, and it can be proven that Boeing leadership knew, Boeing could end up in bankruptcy. I wouldn't be surprised..

Sherman A1

(38,958 posts)
4. Not sure how it could not have been known
Thu Jun 20, 2019, 05:53 AM
Jun 2019

The MCAS system was from my understanding a patch to correct what is essentially a flawed design resulting from the changes to the center of gravity created by the placement of the new engines. It would be hard for the engineers not to have known.

hedda_foil

(16,370 posts)
6. Do you think they trying to avoid $$$ to retrain pilots on the new plane?
Thu Jun 20, 2019, 10:27 AM
Jun 2019

Were they trying to avoid the expense of having to retrain pilots on the new plane with its changed center of gravity by making the software compensate for the difference between the 737 and the new plane?

Sherman A1

(38,958 posts)
7. I believe that the design is fundamentally flawed
Thu Jun 20, 2019, 11:29 AM
Jun 2019

And the 737-8 Max should be scrapped. As to Boeing cutting corners to save money. I most certainly believe that they did so and should be held accountable.

Sherman A1

(38,958 posts)
11. This is just my opinion
Thu Jun 20, 2019, 05:37 PM
Jun 2019

And it is certainly somewhat uniformed but I cannot see needing a system added on to fix design issue to be anything but what I have stated above.

FakeNoose

(32,527 posts)
3. Thank God Sully is saying it - everyone will listen to him
Wed Jun 19, 2019, 08:23 PM
Jun 2019

What Boeing pulled is total bullcrap - they need to be sued to oblivion.



Corgigal

(9,291 posts)
5. The most important thing
Thu Jun 20, 2019, 05:59 AM
Jun 2019

an airline company must have is trust. Boeing gambled with the trust attached to their name, and many families will mourn for the rest of their lives.

The top staff at Boeing needs to step down. No PR firm is big enough to make this go away. I also enjoyed that our country was last to ground the max. Thanks for that too.

a la izquierda

(11,791 posts)
12. I was supposed to fly on one...
Thu Jun 20, 2019, 08:30 PM
Jun 2019

In Europe and was really pleased that they grounded them before I had to cancel the trip.
My colleague should have been on the Air Ethiopia flight, but changed his flight to the day before, thankfully.

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