UPDATED - Trump expected to end his fight to add citizenship question to census, sources say
Last edited Thu Jul 11, 2019, 04:02 PM - Edit history (1)
Source: ABC News
By KATHERINE FAULDERSandALEXANDER MALLIN
Jul 11, 2019, 2:01 PM ET
President Donald Trump is expected to announce later Thursday he is backing down from his effort to include a citizenship question on the 2020 census, and will instead take executive action that instructs the Commerce Department to obtain an estimate of U.S. citizenship through other means, according to multiple sources familiar with the matter.
The expected announcement would bring to a close weeks of escalating confusion within the government over his demands that the controversial question be included in the census despite a Supreme Court order that had blocked the move. The White House declined to comment about what exactly the president plans to
As recently as Thursday morning, administration officials had been repeatedly suggested the president would take executive action calling for the question be added to the census. It was not immediately clear when and why the final decision was made not to move forward with that plan.
Attorney General William Barr, who was expected to attend the announcement, will now have to determine a path forward for three separate ongoing court cases the administration is fighting in Maryland, California and New York over the administration's efforts to add the question to the census.
Read more: https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/trump-expected-announce-executive-action-adding-citizenship-question/story?id=64262805
UPDATE:
Trump abandons effort to add citizenship question to census
The president has vowed to fight for the question after multiple legal setbacks.
By ANITA KUMAR 07/11/2019 08:39 AM EDT Updated 07/11/2019 03:56 PM EDT
Update, 3:56 p.m.: The Trump administration is dropping its efforts to include a citizenship question on the 2020 census, President Donald Trump will announce Thursday, a senior administration official confirmed.
Instead, he is expected to direct his administration to obtain citizenship data through other means. The move caps more than a week of conflicting messages from the White House over how it would proceed on the issue following a Supreme Court ruling that blocked the Trump administration from including a citizenship question on the decennial questionnaire.
As recently as Thursday morning, Trump had been expected to take executive action directing his officials to add the question to the census, a step that would have come just days after the Justice Department said it would abide by the Supreme Court ruling barring the question.
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https://www.politico.com/story/2019/07/11/trump-expected-to-take-executive-action-to-add-citizenship-question-to-census-1405893
TreasonousBastard
(43,049 posts)American Community Survey (both conducted by Census) already ask about origin and citizenship.
I suspect he will announce this as a great victory, and everyone will buy it because they never heard of these surveys.
sprinkleeninow
(20,215 posts)twisted into a fake victory. As 'par for the course'.
SCantiGOP
(13,865 posts)as usual, he will declare a huge victory, which was totally a result of his superior intellect and deal-making abilities.
sprinkleeninow
(20,215 posts)and his superior 'thinking' worthy of all living beings' adulation.
On edit: I went initially overboard with the sarcasm emojicon. 😌 One was enuff.
SCantiGOP
(13,865 posts)In fact, the J in his full name stands for "Jeenyus."
sprinkleeninow
(20,215 posts)jmowreader
(50,528 posts)JOHN (noun): a male customer of prostitutes.
sprinkleeninow
(20,215 posts)scarytomcat
(1,706 posts)he probably didn't know about that
captain queeg
(10,092 posts)Instead of further proof of his stupidity. His base will lap it up.
forgotmylogin
(7,520 posts)Democrats (something something) hate our democracy (something something) want violent crime (something Your Favorite President something...)
Thomas Hurt
(13,903 posts)Hoyt
(54,770 posts)Thekaspervote
(32,705 posts)underpants
(182,603 posts)Clustertrump
in2herbs
(2,944 posts)go on the census envelope. This is the only way I can see that Trump will win and we all know what a winner he is.
sprinkleeninow
(20,215 posts)gigantic crow launches a wet plop on the exact spot of the question? 🤔
😂
Dem2theMax
(9,637 posts)Thank you for helping me think of something they can do for me.
sprinkleeninow
(20,215 posts)I have a papercut wall art (among other subjects) of crows entitled "For the Love of Crows".
I love how they speak to one another and strut their stuff. 😊
Dem2theMax
(9,637 posts)I have seen documentaries on them, and I do know how smart they are. The ones in my backyard seem to have an extra bit of silly in them. They always have me laughing.
And they are heavy. I can hear them running across my roof in the morning, and until my brain kicks in to help me to remember that it's a crow, I'm wondering what the heck is running around on my roof!
sprinkleeninow
(20,215 posts)see from my front door. They were cross positioned head to head and rear ends outward. They were so gigantic, I kept looking for movement bc I thot it was a TV dish of sorts. No, it was two honkin' crows! I love 'em.
Dem2theMax
(9,637 posts)I know a lot of people don't like them, but I can see how smart they are, and they truly are funny. I go out in the backyard and talk to them. They just look down at me as though to say 'what's wrong with you lady?'
They are usually eyeballing my vegetable garden, but one of them got a rat or some other poor creature a few days ago. Three of them sat up on top of one of the telephone poles and just enjoyed dinner together. Yuck!
sprinkleeninow
(20,215 posts)mitch96
(13,870 posts)And less expensive to obtain.. Quote from NPR article
" The agency recommended to Ross that compiling existing government records on citizenship is a more accurate and less expensive alternative to adding a citizenship question."
https://www.npr.org/2019/05/22/719159163/has-the-u-s-census-ever-asked-about-everyones-citizenship-status
So as we all know this is all about reducing representation in blue states. Less people counted mean less congressman/woman for that district.. Smoke and mirrors that the judges saw thru.. To me it sounds like a McConnell type rat fucking going on..
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brooklynite
(94,333 posts)ArizonaLib
(1,242 posts)Is this all the result of the section of the constitution that allows the federal government to establish and enforce citizenship or immigration? Does equal protection no apply (darker skinned people being turned away at higher rates than lighter skinned)?
Brooklynite, if you don't have time to answer, I understand - I appreciate the amount of information you contribute to this site.
Voltaire2
(12,958 posts)but the text typically uses 'people' in many places and it is somewhat unclear what that means. There are conflicting USSC opinions, but the most direct ruling holds that people include both citizens and non-citizens who have 'substantial connections' to the 'national community'. That would be everyone living here.
ArizonaLib
(1,242 posts)Can't wait until this era passes.
brooklynite
(94,333 posts)Hence, a non citizen who commits a crime retains the right of trial by jury, laws of evidence, etc. However, there was no enumerated right to enter the Country or stay here initially (if I were to guess, there were common law rights in the early days). Citizenship was codified by the 14th Amendement ("All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the States wherein they reside." . Through the Civil War, there were essentially no regulation on who could come or Stay. The Supreme Court recognized regulation of immigration as a Federal matter in 1875 and the first Immigration laws were passed in the 1880s. As for Illegal Aliens, they are neither born here nor naturalized, so have no right of residence, beyond that allowed by Statute.
ArizonaLib
(1,242 posts)That clears it up really well. Thanks! Good thoughts out to you.
Efilroft Sul
(3,578 posts)Using such compiled data would be a violation of Article 1, Section 2, Clause 3 which requires that the government conduct a headcount of ALL the persons in the United States, citizen or not, every 10 years. ONLY the decennial Census is to be used in the apportionment of representatives for Congress (13 USC 141).
Grasswire2
(13,565 posts)...and lend your voice to the cause of liberty as they gear up to fight executive orders that contradict Constitutional imperatives.
Bonhomme Richard
(8,997 posts)Planted by someone that want the question on the census and is goading trump to do it.
LiberalFighter
(50,783 posts)Link to tweet
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sandensea
(21,600 posts)Right. As in: Mach schnell! Papieren!!
maxsolomon
(33,244 posts)The law has treated him very unfairly, insisting on reasons and shit.
Marcuse
(7,446 posts)SWBTATTReg
(22,065 posts)data on US Citizens ... we do have privacy laws protecting all of us...I hope!
catrose
(5,059 posts)jcgoldie
(11,612 posts)I'm thinking its mostly about taking votes away from California...
Mr.Bill
(24,238 posts)I've never seen a president work so hard to harm his home state.
muriel_volestrangler
(101,265 posts)Nevada 8.8%
Arizona 7.9%
California 7.3%
New Jersey 6.4%
Texas 6.0%
Florida 5.7%
https://www.pewresearch.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/5/reports/107.pdf p.30
RestoreAmerica2020
(3,434 posts)...WORKS? Sorry for yelling. Thank god for genius of our founders...or else this guy would be king by now.
Mr.Bill
(24,238 posts)that the information they need about citizenship already exists. And pretty much said he was the genius who figured that out.
SergeStorms
(19,186 posts)Those assholes will believe anything he tells them. At least the Orange Hemorrhoid can't can't use those figures to disenfranchise more voters and fuck up monetary apportionment to states that didn't vote for him, which is what he wants.
Mr.Bill
(24,238 posts)even congratulated him on losing this battle. In a way that Trump and the trumpanzees couldn't recognize as such of course.
Mr.Bill
(24,238 posts)is reading trumpanzees in various places on the internet saying "That's it! If there's no citizenship question on the census then I'm not filling mine out!" I always encourage them to do just that, leaving more federal money and representation for my district.
I remember ten years ago idiot Michelle Bachman telling people in her district to not reply to the census. I'm going to recommend it to every republican I talk to on the internet.
paleotn
(17,881 posts)A pity. I think it's going to take a good ole Constitutional throw down to get impeachment started.
Voltaire2
(12,958 posts)And if so it appears that there might actually be a fuzzy line someplace that some of the republican leadership might not cross.
paleotn
(17,881 posts)Somebody is reining him in. Too bad. It would be messy, but might be what's required to finally impeach. The again, unless there's a tape showing him dining on aborted fetuses, I doubt it will move the Senate.
Javaman
(62,500 posts)the census issue was dead but then the orange asshole tried to create controversy regarding something no one wanted, the supreme court told him to fuck off and it was basically unconstitutional but yet, YET, he tried to revive it.
why?
one name.
epstein.
I honestly believe that trumpy the shit clown thought that this would be a game changer and grab the headlines from a billionaire on paper friend of trump and donater of millions grifter little girl grabber epstein.
someone stepped on his foot and told him, "look, you're fucked and no matter what you do to try and shift the news cycle, epstein is going blow wide open. so lawyer up and shut the fuck up"
just my two cents.
mitch96
(13,870 posts)Agree... When tRumps access hollywood "grab 'em by the p***y" tape came out the wikileaks email thing leaked out the next day.. A diversion for sure. This smells like the same thing..
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mahatmakanejeeves
(57,290 posts)Trump's executive actions, requesting administrative records, is what the Census Bureau's experts recommended and what Wilbur Ross overruled. This is why the plaintiffs sued. It represents a total victory for the challengers of the citizenship question.
Link to tweet
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If true, this is total defeat for the Trump Administration. It was in December 2017 - more than 1.5 yrs ago - that the Census Bureau recommended that they do this INSTEAD of putting a citizenship question on the Census. They fought for 18 months only to wave the white flag.
Link to tweet
mr_lebowski
(33,643 posts)be used for some bullshit purpose, like demanding that since his numbers show that 5.8% of State X is actually 'non-citizens', their census numbers should have that % removed from them when calculating how many House seats each state gets, etc.
Then again, he SHOULD be in jail by the time he could even possibly get a chance to do so ... so there's that.
JohnnyRingo
(18,618 posts)Then find someone to blame.
noneof_theabove
(410 posts)legislation by decree
This is an oligarchy, fascist state, putinism........
SunSeeker
(51,512 posts)There is no need for "executive action." And it also demonstrates how needing to know the number of citizens was never the real reason for the census question -- we get that through other surveys. The real reason was, and is, to get an undercount (inaccurate low count) for people of color to screw them out of representation...because they tend to vote Democratic.
mahatmakanejeeves
(57,290 posts)Uh oh.
Link to tweet
Sources familiar with the situation say the presidents Supreme Court adviser Leonard Leo and other Federalist Society stalwarts were shocked and floored by how weak the decision was.
Link to tweet