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BumRushDaShow

(128,525 posts)
Wed Jul 17, 2019, 06:29 PM Jul 2019

House votes to hold Attorney General Barr, Commerce Secretary Ross in contempt for failing to comply

Source: Washington Post

The House on Wednesday voted to hold Attorney General William P. Barr and Commerce Secretary Wilbur Ross in criminal contempt for failing to provide documents related to the Trump administration's efforts to add a citizenship question to the 2020 Census, escalating the fight between Democrats and the White House over congressional oversight. The 230-to-198 vote along party lines came one day after the House approved a resolution condemning President Trump's racist remarks aimed at four minority congresswomen.

After a string of legal defeats, Trump last week abruptly retreated from his efforts to add the question to the census, announcing that he will instead order federal agencies to provide the Commerce Department with records on the numbers of citizens and noncitizens in the country. But lawmakers continue to demand answers about the motivations behind the administration's 19-month effort to ask about citizenship status on the decennial survey. In May, new evidence emerged suggesting that the question was crafted specifically to give an electoral advantage to Republicans and whites. The Trump administration has said it needs the information to better enforce the Voting Rights Act.

Barr and Ross wrote to House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) earlier Wednesday saying they "strongly oppose" the resolution and asked her to postpone the vote so they could continue working through a legally mandated process toward a compromise. "By taking this action, the House is both unnecessarily undermining inter-branch comity and degrading the constitutional separation of powers and its own institutional integrity," the two Cabinet members wrote.

The impact of the contempt vote is largely symbolic. Those found in criminal contempt are normally referred to the Justice Department for prosecution; in this instance, the Justice Department would not prosecute itself.

Read more: https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/house-to-vote-to-hold-barr-ross-in-contempt-over-2020-census-citizenship-question/2019/07/17/8dbeb35c-a89c-11e9-a3a6-ab670962db05_story.html



Full headline: House votes to hold Attorney General Barr, Commerce Secretary Ross in contempt for failing to comply with subpoena on 2020 Census

Original article -

By Felicia Sonmez
July 17 at 6:25 PM

BREAKING: House votes to hold Attorney General Barr, Commerce Secretary Ross in contempt for failing to comply with subpoena on 2020 Census

The House Oversight Committee had sought documents from Attorney General William P. Barr and Commerce Secretary Wilbur Ross on the Trump administration's plan to add a citizenship question to the 2020 Census.

While the House-passed resolution holds the men in criminal contempt, it's unlikely the Justice Department would take action against Barr and Ross.

This story will be updated.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/house-to-vote-to-hold-barr-ross-in-contempt-over-2020-census-citizenship-question/2019/07/17/8dbeb35c-a89c-11e9-a3a6-ab670962db05_story.html?utm_term=.0b1c9c2e21f0
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House votes to hold Attorney General Barr, Commerce Secretary Ross in contempt for failing to comply (Original Post) BumRushDaShow Jul 2019 OP
and may this be the nicest thing that happens to them going forward DURHAM D Jul 2019 #1
Hopefully the House will make Barr have to explain his reason not to pursue criminal contempt in2herbs Jul 2019 #2
This process is sure a mess. Barr will not prosecute himself and I highly doubt he will riversedge Jul 2019 #27
lock 'em up gopiscrap Jul 2019 #3
I'm sure Barr will get right on that customerserviceguy Jul 2019 #4
Lock em up! On Jan 21, 2021! docgee Jul 2019 #8
1000% TheRealNorth Jul 2019 #11
From your lips customerserviceguy Jul 2019 #28
and where's the Kavanaugh impeachment we were promised... VarryOn Jul 2019 #5
Another meaningless act. Barr will continue to claim the administration is sinkingfeeling Jul 2019 #6
Mnuchin needs to be on that list for refusing to hand over IQ45's taxes. Maraya1969 Jul 2019 #7
If there's a long term strategy here... jvill Jul 2019 #9
It's a diversionary tactic until Mueller testifies FakeNoose Jul 2019 #13
Something to keep in mind about the Mueller testimony, watoos Jul 2019 #14
Or, hey, they can always send one of those "sternly-worded letters". calimary Jul 2019 #19
They have passed numerous court cases watoos Jul 2019 #23
good, keep up the pressure on tRumps crime family fixer. nt yaesu Jul 2019 #10
How about impeaching Barr? sinkingfeeling Jul 2019 #12
Because just like Trump, the Senate will block it. OliverQ Jul 2019 #16
It doesn't matter what the Senate does about it! calimary Jul 2019 #21
Dems should look into that, watoos Jul 2019 #17
Epstein is charged under Florida law also. The Wizard Jul 2019 #25
4 Democrats voted no. OliverQ Jul 2019 #15
red state Dems? Well, probably and was planned so they could vote no I still get passed, but yaesu Jul 2019 #20
Yeah I saw that, watoos Jul 2019 #18
Lock them up! Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Jul 2019 #22
They "... asked her to postpone the vote so they could continue working through a legally NCjack Jul 2019 #24
"By taking this action," Bayard Jul 2019 #26

in2herbs

(2,944 posts)
2. Hopefully the House will make Barr have to explain his reason not to pursue criminal contempt
Wed Jul 17, 2019, 06:36 PM
Jul 2019

and/or not to hand the matter off to outside counsel. Barr will only be able to explain himself by talking about what he doesn't want to talk about.

riversedge

(70,092 posts)
27. This process is sure a mess. Barr will not prosecute himself and I highly doubt he will
Wed Jul 17, 2019, 11:54 PM
Jul 2019

had it off to someone else. damn.


........The impact of the contempt vote is largely symbolic. Those found in criminal contempt are normally referred to the Justice Department for prosecution; in this instance, the Justice Department would not prosecute itself.

sinkingfeeling

(51,438 posts)
6. Another meaningless act. Barr will continue to claim the administration is
Wed Jul 17, 2019, 06:49 PM
Jul 2019

exempt from all subpoenas and immune from testifying.

jvill

(213 posts)
9. If there's a long term strategy here...
Wed Jul 17, 2019, 06:57 PM
Jul 2019

... i'd love for the Dem leadership to start messaging what that is.

If it's "wave our hands around a lot and hope Trump doesn't actually blow up the whole thing" is really the plan, then they've got to try much, much harder.

 

watoos

(7,142 posts)
14. Something to keep in mind about the Mueller testimony,
Wed Jul 17, 2019, 07:36 PM
Jul 2019

Mueller is a truth teller but he isn't going to volunteer information. The most important aspect of the Mueller hearing is the questions that are asked. Dems need to come prepared, Mueller is no show boat.

Dems need to bring in Andrew Weissman one of Mueller's bulldogs, to testify, if they want a show.

calimary

(81,127 posts)
19. Or, hey, they can always send one of those "sternly-worded letters".
Wed Jul 17, 2019, 07:51 PM
Jul 2019

I understand those make great toilet paper substitutes in this White House.

 

watoos

(7,142 posts)
23. They have passed numerous court cases
Wed Jul 17, 2019, 08:01 PM
Jul 2019

And have so far filed one.

I give credit to the ACLU, I have been sending them money, they are beating Trump in the courts.

calimary

(81,127 posts)
21. It doesn't matter what the Senate does about it!
Wed Jul 17, 2019, 07:55 PM
Jul 2019

The impeachment itself will stand. It will stay on the books even if the Senate doesn't convict. The impeachment STAYS IN PLACE, and ON THE RECORD.

Remember: Bill Clinton has that hung around his neck forever. They couldn't convict and remove him, either, and he remained President. But the impeachment stood. Didn't matter that he wasn't convicted and removed in the Senate. That did not change the fact that he was impeached in the House of Reps.

That's all you need. And you'll leave a mark on his name for all of history.

 

watoos

(7,142 posts)
17. Dems should look into that,
Wed Jul 17, 2019, 07:39 PM
Jul 2019

because I fully expect Barr to shit can the Epstein investigation. Proving that Trump is a pedophile would be a road too far for his base.

Barr lied to Congress, he needs to be impeached.

The Wizard

(12,536 posts)
25. Epstein is charged under Florida law also.
Wed Jul 17, 2019, 09:34 PM
Jul 2019

The Governor will pardon him. If he gets charged under NY law his prison time could be degrading.

yaesu

(8,020 posts)
20. red state Dems? Well, probably and was planned so they could vote no I still get passed, but
Wed Jul 17, 2019, 07:52 PM
Jul 2019

looks bad for party unity.

 

watoos

(7,142 posts)
18. Yeah I saw that,
Wed Jul 17, 2019, 07:41 PM
Jul 2019

maybe it was a protest vote because Barr isn't going to prosecute himself. Honestly, a civil contempt charge would have probably had more teeth.

NCjack

(10,279 posts)
24. They "... asked her to postpone the vote so they could continue working through a legally
Wed Jul 17, 2019, 08:24 PM
Jul 2019

mandated process toward a compromise."

Her answer should be "put on another shift and git'er done."

Bayard

(22,011 posts)
26. "By taking this action,"
Wed Jul 17, 2019, 10:53 PM
Jul 2019

"the House is both unnecessarily undermining inter-branch comity and degrading the constitutional separation of powers and its own institutional integrity".

That is just rich! No shame, no concept of irony.

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