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Tue Aug 27, 2019, 11:07 PM

Immigration 'Take the land': President Trump wants a border wall. He wants it black. And he wants

Source: Washington Post

Immigration:'Take the land': President Trump wants a border wall. He wants it black. And he wants it by Election Day.

President Trump is so eager to complete hundreds of miles of border fence ahead of the 2020 presidential election that he has directed aides to fast-track billions of dollars' worth of construction contracts, aggressively seize private land and disregard environmental rules, according to current and former officials involved with the project.

He also has told worried subordinates that he will pardon them of any potential wrongdoing should they have to break laws to get the barriers built quickly, those officials said.

(snip) The president has told senior aides that a failure to deliver on the signature promise of his 2016 campaign would be a letdown to his supporters and an embarrassing defeat. With the election 14 months away and hundreds of miles of fencing plans still in blueprint form, Trump has held regular meetings at the White House to receive progress updates and hasten the pace, according to several people involved in the discussions.

When aides have suggested that some of his orders are illegal or unworkable, Trump has suggested he would pardon the officials if they would just go ahead, aides said. He has waved off worries about contracting procedures and the use of eminent domain, saying "take the land," according to officials present at the meetings.

Read more: https://beta.washingtonpost.com/immigration/take-the-land-president-trump-wants-a-border-wall-he-wants-it-black-and-he-wants-it-by-election-day/2019/08/27/37b80018-c821-11e9-a4f3-c081a126de70_story.html



Once agin, aides are saying the orders are illegal. Expect this to wind up in a Texas court.

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Reply Immigration 'Take the land': President Trump wants a border wall. He wants it black. And he wants (Original post)
crazytown Aug 27 OP
msongs Aug 27 #1
Bernardo de La Paz Aug 28 #14
rickyhall Aug 28 #16
cstanleytech Aug 27 #2
Newest Reality Aug 27 #3
safeinOhio Aug 28 #18
Python boot Aug 28 #30
The Polack MSgt Aug 28 #39
Python boot Aug 28 #41
gopiscrap Aug 30 #44
Lonestarblue Aug 28 #23
underpants Aug 28 #29
global1 Aug 27 #4
George II Aug 27 #5
crazytown Aug 27 #6
sheshe2 Aug 27 #10
crazytown Aug 28 #13
Judi Lynn Aug 28 #17
crazytown Aug 28 #19
keithbvadu2 Aug 27 #7
Bernardo de La Paz Aug 28 #15
keithbvadu2 Aug 27 #8
riversedge Aug 28 #21
MarcA Aug 27 #9
Stonepounder Aug 28 #11
Cryptoad Aug 28 #12
riversedge Aug 28 #20
JohnnyRingo Aug 28 #40
muriel_volestrangler Aug 28 #22
crazytown Aug 28 #25
dchill Aug 28 #24
Newest Reality Aug 28 #26
neeksgeek Aug 28 #27
Newest Reality Aug 28 #32
Newest Reality Aug 28 #28
DeminPennswoods Aug 28 #31
Paladin Aug 28 #33
Newest Reality Aug 28 #34
CanonRay Aug 28 #35
Hotler Aug 28 #36
The Liberal Lion Aug 28 #37
Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Aug 28 #38
mahatmakanejeeves Aug 29 #42
geralmar Aug 29 #43

Response to crazytown (Original post)

Tue Aug 27, 2019, 11:10 PM

1. seems like telling people to break the law is an impeachable offense nt

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Response to msongs (Reply #1)

Wed Aug 28, 2019, 12:42 AM

14. Absolutely. And promising pardons is additionally abuse of power. . . . nt

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Response to msongs (Reply #1)

Wed Aug 28, 2019, 01:02 AM

16. I think it's way passed that. Congress needs to take him down.

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Response to crazytown (Original post)

Tue Aug 27, 2019, 11:15 PM

2. And will the pardon protect them from breaking state laws?

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Response to crazytown (Original post)

Tue Aug 27, 2019, 11:20 PM

3. WTF?

He is really off the rails...again. Even more so with this one.

You can't just seize land legally in the US. Doesn't Eminent Domain require that he land be purchased at market value? Also, there is nothing to stop the land owners from going to court to contest it, which would then tie it up and, of course, be an expense to them.

And, just supposing the land was purchased, I bet we are talking a lot.

Wow, and ordering government employees to commit crimes? Fascist much?

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Response to Newest Reality (Reply #3)

Wed Aug 28, 2019, 01:04 AM

18. A little Old Lady taught him about taking land once.

The time Donald Trump’s empire took on a stubborn widow — and lost

https://www.washingtonpost.com/lifestyle/style/the-time-donald-trumps-empire-took-on-a-stubborn-widow--and-lost/2015/09/09/f9cb287e-5660-11e5-b8c9-944725fcd3b9_story.html

There once was a widow who lived in a house by the sea.
It wasn’t much of a place, just a fading, clapboard-clad box a few steps from the boardwalk in Atlantic City.
Yet, somehow, that house has turned into a clogged intersection of American celebrity and wealth, an odd mash-up of failed dreams, bombast, stubborn indignation, name-calling, angry taunts and legal bombardment.
The cast of characters populating that house’s curious history over the past three decades includes a friend and co-author of Republican presidential candidate Jeb Bush, a legendary pornographer, and a famed investor. But the central figures in its life and death saga are a feisty, obstinate woman named Vera Coking and a billionaire, the Republican presidential front-runner, Donald Trump.
Trump is dominating his Republican opponents in the polls. But in the long melodrama that is Trump’s business career, the house in Atlantic City is the place where all the billionaire’s money and all the billionaire’s men couldn’t keep a 5-foot-3 widow from whupping him

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Response to safeinOhio (Reply #18)

Wed Aug 28, 2019, 09:49 AM

30. Takings clause changed by Kelo decision

Taking land by eminent domain should only be done for a public use according to the Constitution, however the justices agreed 5 to 4 that private property can be taken for a public benefit when they allowed Pfizer to take Susette Kelo's house because it would provide a public benefit by way of increased tax revenue. This decision paved the way to take native land protected by treaty for the public "benefits" of an oil pipeline. The deciding vote was Justice Kennedy. Now we actually need legislation to protect landowners from unfair takings.

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Response to Python boot (Reply #30)

Wed Aug 28, 2019, 03:15 PM

39. Welcome to DU.

Thank you for making a connection with the Kelo Decision I was unaware of. I have not followed this situation closely...
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But the real reason I'm commenting is that fantastic DU handle you have there.

I have to ask...
Do you wear tennis shoes, or the OCCASIONAL PYHON BOOT? If so, I hope they aren't too tight.

Here's to hoping you don't suffer from Bromidrosis.

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Response to The Polack MSgt (Reply #39)

Wed Aug 28, 2019, 07:45 PM

41. Black shoes don't make it

Thank you for that welcome. I feel at home here. As far as footwear is concerned, I can tell you black shoes don't make it.

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Response to Python boot (Reply #30)

Fri Aug 30, 2019, 06:04 PM

44. welcome to DU

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Response to Newest Reality (Reply #3)

Wed Aug 28, 2019, 07:30 AM

23. Eminent domain is way overused in this country.

It’s far too often used to gain rights for private for-profit companies. Case in point, what good does the Keystone Pipeline serve?

Many people who live on the borders can trace their family ownership back decades, yet they end up having no rights in cases like this—even though a border wall is unnecessary to keep people out. Electronic surveillance would be less costly, less destructive, and more effective. But we have a president who is willfully ignorant and avoids any information that runs counter to even common sense. He is determined to wreck this country and Republicans are just sitting back and letting him do it.

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Response to Newest Reality (Reply #3)

Wed Aug 28, 2019, 09:21 AM

29. Yes but Trump thinks he sets market value

His net worth change daily depending on what he FEELS his golf courses are worth. Seriously.

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Response to crazytown (Original post)

Tue Aug 27, 2019, 11:23 PM

4. Impeach Now!!!!!!!! nt

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Response to crazytown (Original post)

Tue Aug 27, 2019, 11:28 PM

5. He's not going to get it. Period.

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Response to George II (Reply #5)

Tue Aug 27, 2019, 11:33 PM

6. This has to have implications for AZ, NM & TX in the GE.

Carpetbaggers anyone?

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Response to crazytown (Reply #6)

Tue Aug 27, 2019, 11:53 PM

10. Yep.

He has waved off worries about contracting procedures and the use of eminent domain, saying “take the land,” according to officials present at the meetings.

“take the land,”

“take the land,”

“take the land,”

“take the land,”

“take the land,”

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Response to sheshe2 (Reply #10)

Wed Aug 28, 2019, 12:29 AM

13. I prefer the socialist version.

Seize The Plant !



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Response to crazytown (Reply #13)

Wed Aug 28, 2019, 01:02 AM

17. Great picture, he's a real nature lover. And a soshulist. Maybe a commie. n/t

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Response to Judi Lynn (Reply #17)

Wed Aug 28, 2019, 01:10 AM

19. Revenge of the plant.



I'm just having fun Judy. I was listening to an audiobook on the history Haiti last week. Funny how noble declarations about the Rights of Man evaporate when colonial interests are 'at stake'.

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Response to crazytown (Original post)

Tue Aug 27, 2019, 11:42 PM

7. "a failure to deliver on the signature promise" that Mexico will pay for the wall.

"a failure to deliver on the signature promise" that Mexico will pay for the wall.

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Response to keithbvadu2 (Reply #7)

Wed Aug 28, 2019, 12:44 AM

15. His base doesn't care. They want the wall anyway they can get it. They already donated to fraudster.

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Response to crazytown (Original post)

Tue Aug 27, 2019, 11:46 PM

8. The real losers from Trump's border wall: ranchers, homeowners, and taxpayers

The real losers from Trump’s border wall: ranchers, homeowners, and taxpayers

The Trump administration is already moving to take Americans’ private property to build the wall Mexico isn’t paying for.

https://thinkprogress.org/trump-border-wall-eminent-domain-4b6134e62910/

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&feature=youtu.be

SWEET IRONY. These Trump Voters FORCED to SELL Their Land to Build The WALL, "We Can't Believe It!"

45 brags about Eminent Domain

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100211633231

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Response to keithbvadu2 (Reply #8)

Wed Aug 28, 2019, 02:10 AM

21. I have no desire for revenge for these trump voters. I just do not want the Wall built.

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Response to crazytown (Original post)

Tue Aug 27, 2019, 11:50 PM

9. In some of these places it may be more than just court action.

Also, will state authorities just go along?

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Response to MarcA (Reply #9)

Wed Aug 28, 2019, 12:20 AM

11. Depends on whether the Trumpers in the state legislatures have managed to install

'their' judges who will go along with Trump instead of the law or the Constitution.

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Response to crazytown (Original post)

Wed Aug 28, 2019, 12:22 AM

12. "Do whatever it takes"....

even break the law if need be. "I will pardon you for crimes u commit ....

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Response to crazytown (Original post)

Wed Aug 28, 2019, 01:54 AM

20. This should be headline news in ALL news papers.

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Response to riversedge (Reply #20)

Wed Aug 28, 2019, 07:25 PM

40. "Take The Land"

There's your headline.

I wouldn't want to be the surveyors who start traipsing about on private ranch land. Fortunately, they likely voted for him.

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Response to crazytown (Original post)

Wed Aug 28, 2019, 04:01 AM

22. No link in the OP (nt)

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Response to muriel_volestrangler (Reply #22)

Wed Aug 28, 2019, 08:08 AM

25. Fixed

Sorry everyone.

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Response to crazytown (Original post)

Wed Aug 28, 2019, 07:53 AM

24. What a concept...

A pre- pardon. Seems legit. Why didn't some other fascist narcissist think of that?

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Response to dchill (Reply #24)

Wed Aug 28, 2019, 08:19 AM

26. I think it is because

only a stable generous could come up with that.

"We may be looking at...you know....the best...I know all about Fascism...I am the best Fascist...the best in history, ever...nobody could do it right...people know that...I hear them saying...I'm smarter."

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Response to crazytown (Original post)

Wed Aug 28, 2019, 08:21 AM

27. I'm not a lawyer, but...

Doesn’t genuinely asking someone to commit a crime, with any sort of inducement, constitute conspiracy to commit a crime? As in, you don't even have to commit said crime? Conspiracy is enough? Seems like I’ve seen this on TV once or twice.

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Response to neeksgeek (Reply #27)

Wed Aug 28, 2019, 09:53 AM

32. Gee...

Yeah, I vaguely remember something along those lines. Hmmm. Something about Helter Skelter, or...no, that was the Beatles.

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Response to crazytown (Original post)

Wed Aug 28, 2019, 08:26 AM

28. Extrapolation:

Okay, if we assume that this pattern of psychotic jabber will continue, then one could assume that he might ramp his Fascist rhetoric up. And yes, his inner Fascist is really showing now. That is the applicable word to me: Trump is a Fascist and he has now made that clear.

If he could possibly suggest, (command?) ideas about seizing land and having government employees commit crimes at his decree, then why not seize corporations and companies? Why not start ordering the deaths of people who oppose you or are in the way?

Yeah, that may sound hyperbolic, but he already hallucinates that his pardoning power will be some sort of incentive here and seems to have no idea what the many ramifications are for anybody who would be able to suspend their better judgement to follow through on his "orders".

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Response to crazytown (Original post)

Wed Aug 28, 2019, 09:52 AM

31. Texans won't take too kindly to the "gummit" grabbing

their land.

Add the predetermined pardons to the growing list of impeachable offenses.

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Response to crazytown (Original post)

Wed Aug 28, 2019, 09:58 AM

33. trump, trying to wipe his ass with 1000 years of common law.

Let's see how he does, trying to end around the ownership rights of wealthy big-time ranchers down there on the border. The lawsuits will go on for generations.

Remember the good old days---a couple of years back---when Republicans deemed private property ownership to be sacrosanct? No, me neither.....

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Response to crazytown (Original post)

Wed Aug 28, 2019, 09:58 AM

34. What is with the BLACK?

Does anyone know the reason for painting it black? Does he have that Stones' song in the back of his abysmal brain gob jabbing at his frequent hallucinations?

That's going to be a great view from the perspective of the people living along side the Great Barrier of Madness.

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Response to crazytown (Original post)

Wed Aug 28, 2019, 10:18 AM

35. The Stones version:

Painted Black

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Response to crazytown (Original post)

Wed Aug 28, 2019, 10:33 AM

36. Go for it dick wad. I triple dog dare you.

The shit storm you start may be our tool to remove your ass from OUR house.

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Response to crazytown (Original post)

Wed Aug 28, 2019, 12:26 PM

37. The first thought to pop in my head "Jeez-oh-man!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"

These are the acts of a dictator.
This is no president!

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Response to crazytown (Original post)

Wed Aug 28, 2019, 12:31 PM

38. The mad king is having another tantrum.

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Response to crazytown (Original post)

Thu Aug 29, 2019, 12:42 PM

42. "... by whatever means necessary, including by seizing land from Mexico"

Uh huh



Impatient to showcase a success story to his supporters ahead of the 2020 election, President Trump has told his aides to get the border wall done by whatever means necessary, including by seizing land from Mexico


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