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Zorro

(15,948 posts)
Sat Sep 21, 2019, 09:50 AM Sep 2019

Massachusetts Rep. Kennedy announces Democratic primary challenge to Sen. Markey

Source: Washington Post

Rep. Joe Kennedy, the latest generation of a famous political family, announced Saturday that he would challenge Sen. Edward J. Markey in Massachusetts’s Democratic primary, a bid certain to divide the party in the state and in Washington.

Ahead of a rally here, Kennedy emailed supporters a video officially declaring his candidacy.

“Since Donald Trump’s election, I have had countless conversations with my constituents. I’ve told them not to give up. I have implored them to do more. I have begged them to reach deeper, fight harder, put more on the line — because everything we believe in is at stake,” Kennedy writes in the email. “I’m running for Senate to do the same.”

Kennedy mentions the need for a new generation to take on “outdated structures and old rules,” an implicit nod to the decades that separate him and his opponent.

Read more: https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/massachusetts-rep-kennedy-announces-democratic-primary-challenge-to-sen-markey/2019/09/21/7f40384c-dbef-11e9-bfb1-849887369476_story.html

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Massachusetts Rep. Kennedy announces Democratic primary challenge to Sen. Markey (Original Post) Zorro Sep 2019 OP
Another Senator Kennedy Bayard Sep 2019 #1
And not the goodfball Senator Kennedy from Louisiana... VarryOn Sep 2019 #59
What's wrong with DownriverDem Sep 2019 #64
Not a damn thing kwolf68 Sep 2019 #70
Wow. Will the DNC blacklist his strategists now ? OnDoutside Sep 2019 #2
Boom - just moments after the announcement was made and the DNC is being slammed. George II Sep 2019 #16
By whom ? OnDoutside Sep 2019 #22
The DNC is not above reproach...just sayin'...my jackboots are off. n/t slumcamper Sep 2019 #25
No. Grins Sep 2019 #3
Are you sure you're thinking of the right Kennedy? nsd Sep 2019 #4
Right you are. n/t MBS Sep 2019 #20
Is Joe one of the family's anti-vaxxers? I know RFK Jr holds some comradebillyboy Sep 2019 #5
That's the wrong Kennedy. Nt lostnfound Sep 2019 #7
+1,000+++++ CountAllVotes Sep 2019 #26
I think you're thinking of a different Kennedy...... a kennedy Sep 2019 #11
Got that right Rebl2 Sep 2019 #13
No they don't. RhodeIslandOne Sep 2019 #52
Okay Rebl2 Sep 2019 #57
I think this is the Joe who was absurdly opposed to rational marijuana regulation. Tactical Peek Sep 2019 #29
Markey gets a C+ by NORML and Kennedy gets a D. ancianita Sep 2019 #36
Uugh B Stieg Sep 2019 #37
Markey also looks stricter on gun control, but they both come from the #2 handgun manufacturing ancianita Sep 2019 #38
not correct Skittles Sep 2019 #47
That is unfortunate. CentralMass Sep 2019 #6
+++ not fooled Sep 2019 #14
Agreed. MBS Sep 2019 #21
JK3 will be president one day...if we still have elections Moostache Sep 2019 #8
He won't be president if he makes his career climbing over good Democrats to get into office TeamPooka Sep 2019 #28
I agree. patphil Sep 2019 #41
He should wait his turn ritapria Sep 2019 #9
Markey doesn't own the seat. BlueStater Sep 2019 #10
me neither not_the_one Sep 2019 #17
Many in MA have had enough of the Kennedys. This young man has virgogal Sep 2019 #19
Agreed - 20 years ago, I would have felt that Kennedy should allow Markey to serve one more term. Midwestern Democrat Sep 2019 #18
Markey has earned his seat for however long he Raven Sep 2019 #33
He'll earn it by getting elected again. BlueStater Sep 2019 #34
Right and it won't have anything to do with age as your post implied. Raven Sep 2019 #58
Ah, yes. The old "ageism" crap. BlueStater Sep 2019 #60
I have no real horse in this race, by the way. BlueStater Sep 2019 #63
I doubt being in the US Senate is the most physically or mentally taxing job you can have... VarryOn Sep 2019 #46
This is not good. George II Sep 2019 #12
How so? GeorgeGist Sep 2019 #15
This seems ill advised. bluedigger Sep 2019 #23
Challenging an incumbent Democrat Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Sep 2019 #24
We need a smiley emoticon bucolic_frolic Sep 2019 #27
Since when is that a bad thing? Polybius Sep 2019 #54
Are you really comparing Ed Markey to Ed Koch? Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Sep 2019 #55
Nope Polybius Sep 2019 #56
Personally I think MurrayDelph Sep 2019 #30
The governor is a republican. patphil Sep 2019 #42
Oops MurrayDelph Sep 2019 #44
Yes, I just checked on that. patphil Sep 2019 #49
rich enititled ambition. He's a real Gillibrand. Willing to kill off a good progressive Democrat TeamPooka Sep 2019 #31
The article itself offers a point-counterpoint look at this announcement... CBHagman Sep 2019 #32
Not a good idea Fan of Da Bearse Sep 2019 #35
I want another Kennedy on the bench... VarryOn Sep 2019 #39
What value does the last name Kennedy bring? pnwpolicy Sep 2019 #40
I'll admit there's some nostalgia for me... VarryOn Sep 2019 #45
If you're going to use the word "entitled" Bradical79 Sep 2019 #66
A valid criticism of my point... VarryOn Sep 2019 #67
People Don't Like Politicians Who Seem Too Opportunistic and Too Ambitious. Indykatie Sep 2019 #43
Ted Kennedy ran against Carter 5starlib Sep 2019 #50
It hurt Carter crazytown Sep 2019 #62
I sincerely doubt Markey is in any danger in the election just because Kennedy is challenging him. BlueStater Sep 2019 #65
Not in favor. nt UniteFightBack Sep 2019 #48
i like Markey :( samnsara Sep 2019 #51
This sucks RhodeIslandOne Sep 2019 #53
Markey is co-sponsor (with AOC) of the Green New Deal summer_in_TX Sep 2019 #61
Big Mistake INdemo Sep 2019 #68
I like Joe, love his family. I'm backing Markey. Mc Mike Sep 2019 #69
 

VarryOn

(2,343 posts)
59. And not the goodfball Senator Kennedy from Louisiana...
Sat Sep 21, 2019, 11:20 PM
Sep 2019

It should be against the law for him to use the Kennedy name!

Grins

(7,481 posts)
3. No.
Sat Sep 21, 2019, 10:06 AM
Sep 2019

A man who wants government to rethink child vaccination laws and ordinances is challenging a good and qualified Democratic for his own gain.

He may be a Kennedy but he’s a long way from Jack or Ted.

comradebillyboy

(10,281 posts)
5. Is Joe one of the family's anti-vaxxers? I know RFK Jr holds some
Sat Sep 21, 2019, 10:13 AM
Sep 2019

pretty wild ideas and has been denounced by his own family members for his anti-vaxx views but I hadn't heard anything like that about young Joe.

a kennedy

(30,609 posts)
11. I think you're thinking of a different Kennedy......
Sat Sep 21, 2019, 10:53 AM
Sep 2019

Robert Kennedy Jr. is the vaccination kennedy, NOT Joe.

Tactical Peek

(1,232 posts)
29. I think this is the Joe who was absurdly opposed to rational marijuana regulation.
Sat Sep 21, 2019, 01:18 PM
Sep 2019

That's if I'm thinking of the right one, there are so many it gets confusing.


Iirc, he voted against a bill to get the DEA off the backs of young children suffering seizure disorders who got relief (only!) from non-psychoactive extracts of cannabis. If that was any indication, he does not think things out very well, in my opinion.

Maybe he should be the one getting primaried by a D who can do the right thing.

ancianita

(37,202 posts)
38. Markey also looks stricter on gun control, but they both come from the #2 handgun manufacturing
Sat Sep 21, 2019, 02:41 PM
Sep 2019

state, and Markey's got the longer vote record.

NH is #1 on gun manufacturing (since the Revolution); both top gun manufacturing states have the strictest gun control laws and the low rates of death by shooting. Just a factoid.



Moostache

(9,975 posts)
8. JK3 will be president one day...if we still have elections
Sat Sep 21, 2019, 10:28 AM
Sep 2019

He is an incredibly impressive man and this is a good thing for the party long term.

TeamPooka

(24,698 posts)
28. He won't be president if he makes his career climbing over good Democrats to get into office
Sat Sep 21, 2019, 01:18 PM
Sep 2019

he should go beat a sitting republican if he wants my respect or future support.
Doing it this way and I'll put him in my Kristen Gillibrand category of people I won't support as they try to move up.

patphil

(6,517 posts)
41. I agree.
Sat Sep 21, 2019, 03:39 PM
Sep 2019

He's not going to endear himself to the party faithful across the nation by doing this.
Especially if the resulting primary battle results in a Republican getting the seat.
Joe should be patient and keep his current seat in the House (Mass. 4th district).
He's going to be 39 in October, so he has plenty of time to work his way up into the national scene.

Patrick Phillips

 

ritapria

(1,812 posts)
9. He should wait his turn
Sat Sep 21, 2019, 10:33 AM
Sep 2019

There is a good chance Elizabeth Warren will be elected President ...Then he could have challenged the appointed Senator selected by Charlie Baker

BlueStater

(7,596 posts)
10. Markey doesn't own the seat.
Sat Sep 21, 2019, 10:37 AM
Sep 2019

Last edited Sat Sep 21, 2019, 12:03 PM - Edit history (1)

He's 73 now and will be 80 at the end of another term. Who knows how much longer his "turn" will last. They're not retiring as young as they used to. Dianne Feinstein was just elected to another term at 85.

I have no problem with this.

 

not_the_one

(2,227 posts)
17. me neither
Sat Sep 21, 2019, 12:00 PM
Sep 2019

I want it to be obvious that the ONLY political dynasty America will ever have, is the Kennedys, because they have done the work and paid the price

A side benefit will be watching the russiapublican's heads explode, as the have the ultimate meltdown.

They hold up the Bushs and the Trumps (excuse me, I meant Turds) as our dynasty?

I scoff.

 

virgogal

(10,178 posts)
19. Many in MA have had enough of the Kennedys. This young man has
Sat Sep 21, 2019, 12:27 PM
Sep 2019

inherited money and a famous name,Markey came up the hard way.Markey will get my vote.

18. Agreed - 20 years ago, I would have felt that Kennedy should allow Markey to serve one more term.
Sat Sep 21, 2019, 12:07 PM
Sep 2019

But today, when the entire House leadership is either at or almost 80 years old, when Dianne Feinstein runs for another term at 85 (in a huge safely Democratic state where many Democratic officeholders have been waiting for years for a Senate seat to open up), when many (including myself) think that the only Democrat in the country who can beat Donald Trump is a 76 year old man - then IMO, the party definitely needs more "young men in a hurry" not fewer of them.

Raven

(13,990 posts)
33. Markey has earned his seat for however long he
Sat Sep 21, 2019, 01:32 PM
Sep 2019

remains productive and there is nothing to show that he is not still producive both for his constituents and the country.

BlueStater

(7,596 posts)
34. He'll earn it by getting elected again.
Sat Sep 21, 2019, 01:41 PM
Sep 2019

Until then, Kennedy has every right to challenge him for the seat.

BlueStater

(7,596 posts)
60. Ah, yes. The old "ageism" crap.
Sat Sep 21, 2019, 11:22 PM
Sep 2019

People can constantly attack Kennedy as an opportunistic young upstart who should wait his "turn", but suggest that maybe Markey shouldn't just be entitled to the seat until whenever he decides to retire and suddenly it's "Boo hoo, stop picking on him. He's old."

BlueStater

(7,596 posts)
63. I have no real horse in this race, by the way.
Sun Sep 22, 2019, 08:13 AM
Sep 2019

I don't live in Massachusetts and am not planning on sending money to either Kennedy or Markey. I would be fine if either of them won, but the attacks on Kennedy are annoying. If he's arrogant and entitled for challenging Markey, then Markey is just as arrogant and entitled for thinking he owns his seat for as long as he decides not to retire.

 

VarryOn

(2,343 posts)
46. I doubt being in the US Senate is the most physically or mentally taxing job you can have...
Sat Sep 21, 2019, 05:00 PM
Sep 2019

Thus, probably a big reason to stick around.

Plus, you're paid decently, have little accountability for bad decisions, and people powder your ass everywhere you go. And, it's hard to get fired!

Now that I think about it, maybe I should run!

bluedigger

(17,115 posts)
23. This seems ill advised.
Sat Sep 21, 2019, 12:43 PM
Sep 2019

His energy would be better spent pursuing leadership positions in Congress to satisfy his ambitions until an opening makes itself available.

Polybius

(16,529 posts)
54. Since when is that a bad thing?
Sat Sep 21, 2019, 09:33 PM
Sep 2019

We've been doing it for 200 years. When you against David Dinkins beating Ed Koch in the 1989 NYC primary?

Polybius

(16,529 posts)
56. Nope
Sat Sep 21, 2019, 09:40 PM
Sep 2019

But all you said was "Challenging an incumbent Democrat." You should have said "Challenging a good incumbent Democrat."

Now roll your eyes back into your head, we're not all mind-readers here.

MurrayDelph

(5,368 posts)
30. Personally I think
Sat Sep 21, 2019, 01:20 PM
Sep 2019

he should work to get Elizabeth Warren elected, and then the governor could appoint him to fill the vacancy.

patphil

(6,517 posts)
49. Yes, I just checked on that.
Sat Sep 21, 2019, 07:19 PM
Sep 2019

The governor can appoint someone to fill the opening, but there must be a special election within 145-160 days to elect someone to fill the remainder of the term.
Elizabeth Warren's seat would be up in 2022.
So, if EW got on the ticket, and resigned after the convention on July 17th, a special election would have to be held before the end of the year.
As early as December 9th, but no later than December 24th.
So, assuming a Democrat won the special election, it wouldn't adversely affect the Senate structure for the new congress coming in in January.
Whew! Dodged that bullet.

Patrick Phillips

TeamPooka

(24,698 posts)
31. rich enititled ambition. He's a real Gillibrand. Willing to kill off a good progressive Democrat
Sat Sep 21, 2019, 01:20 PM
Sep 2019

to advance his own career.
Fuck that shit.

CBHagman

(17,057 posts)
32. The article itself offers a point-counterpoint look at this announcement...
Sat Sep 21, 2019, 01:25 PM
Sep 2019

...and what it might mean in terms of the Senate, the presidency, and the Democratic Party.

This primary attempt might not be sending the message Kennedy claims it is. There is an inescapable whiff of entitlement about any variation on the political dynasty, the sense that money, name, and connections vanquish the less flashy business of day-to-day life as a lawmaker.

And then there's the matter of partisanship. The current state of things didn't happen overnight, and for the duration it's a numbers game. Any self-wounding or bad blood is not advisable just now.

And don't get me started on how things work, or what age may or may not have to do with it.

 

VarryOn

(2,343 posts)
39. I want another Kennedy on the bench...
Sat Sep 21, 2019, 02:43 PM
Sep 2019

Markey is 73 and been there long enough. He’s not entitled to that seat.

 

pnwpolicy

(32 posts)
40. What value does the last name Kennedy bring?
Sat Sep 21, 2019, 03:20 PM
Sep 2019

This just reeks of entitlement and will shift the Senate Dems further right.

 

VarryOn

(2,343 posts)
45. I'll admit there's some nostalgia for me...
Sat Sep 21, 2019, 04:47 PM
Sep 2019

but, Ive followed Kennedy's career with interest since he took the great Barney Frank's seat. He comes across as quite likeable and genuine. And look at his resume...Harvard, Stanfors, Peace Corp, Asst DA, Congress, etc. He's got the pedigree and a wife and two kids. And he's liberal.

A term or two in the US Senate and he'd be an ideal presidential candidate. I think the Kennedy name would play well across the country.

And I'm not worried about the party moving right.

 

Bradical79

(4,490 posts)
66. If you're going to use the word "entitled"
Sun Sep 22, 2019, 11:35 AM
Sep 2019

maybe not focus on the name of a political dynasty in the same post? What's more important is whether Kennedy would be a better Senator than Markey, not his name.

 

VarryOn

(2,343 posts)
67. A valid criticism of my point...
Sun Sep 22, 2019, 12:11 PM
Sep 2019

Certainly, neither is entitled. My post was prompted by a couple by a couple others that said Kennedy should wait his turn, meaning Markey should retain the post until such time as he reliqushed it. He's an ok Senator, albeit with an unremarkable career. Definitely upgradeable.

Kennedy isnt entitled to any seat, either. His name, however, has currency. I'm impressed with him and was just thinking long-term should he have national aspirations. I think his last name would help. However, he's worked hard to prove himself.





Indykatie

(3,772 posts)
43. People Don't Like Politicians Who Seem Too Opportunistic and Too Ambitious.
Sat Sep 21, 2019, 03:43 PM
Sep 2019

He may win the nomination and the seat but that success may come back to haunt him when he pursues his next job on his career path, POTUS. Have we ever had a successful primary challenge to a sitting Senator in a safe Blue state?

BlueStater

(7,596 posts)
65. I sincerely doubt Markey is in any danger in the election just because Kennedy is challenging him.
Sun Sep 22, 2019, 10:17 AM
Sep 2019

You can't compare a presidential election to a senate race in a solidly blue state.

summer_in_TX

(2,906 posts)
61. Markey is co-sponsor (with AOC) of the Green New Deal
Sun Sep 22, 2019, 12:24 AM
Sep 2019

So it appears Kennedy is running to the right of Markey on that issue. Not a good look.

I think many of us have a Camelot affection for the Kennedy family and have dreams invested in them.The family name gives them a cachet that gets them in the door with us. But primarying a progressive fellow Dem is not my idea of action that makes me want to run out and blindly support him.

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