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BumRushDaShow

(128,877 posts)
Fri Oct 4, 2019, 04:18 PM Oct 2019

Trump Administration Unveils More Cuts to Food Stamp Program

Source: New York Times

WASHINGTON — The Agriculture Department moved again this week to cut spending on food stamps, this time proposing changes that would slice $4.5 billion from the program over five years, trimming monthly benefits by as much as $75 for one in five struggling families on nutrition assistance.

The latest plan would cut benefits for 19 percent of households on the Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program, commonly called food stamps, while increasing benefits for 16 percent. Almost 8,000 households would lose benefits entirely. Those cuts would be concentrated in cold northern states that would be most affected by a change in the way heating costs are calculated.

The number of families losing benefits is a tiny percentage of the nearly 40 million people who receive benefits, and even $4.5 billion over five years is a trim for a program that cost $68 billion in 2018 alone.

But the latest move is the third time the Trump administration has moved to cut food stamps. In December, the Agriculture Department said it sought to place more stringent work requirements on the program. In July, the administration proposed a rule that would strip more than three million people of their benefits. The public comment periods for both those proposals have ended, and final rules are expected soon.

Read more: https://www.nytimes.com/2019/10/04/us/politics/trump-food-stamp-cuts.html



Scorched earth.
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Trump Administration Unveils More Cuts to Food Stamp Program (Original Post) BumRushDaShow Oct 2019 OP
The meanness is the agenda. R Merm Oct 2019 #1
Scorched earth Lindsay Oct 2019 #2
Oh sweet, watch people suffer TWO ways for the price of one!! Leghorn21 Oct 2019 #3
The most egregious statement is 40 million on SNAP. Lochloosa Oct 2019 #4
So they can give tax breaks to the super wealthy while the poor go hungry njhoneybadger Oct 2019 #5
Cuts heavily aimed at democrat areas and darker skinned folks? keithbvadu2 Oct 2019 #6
Painfully obvious, isn't it? Sinistrous Oct 2019 #7
Democratic areas, yes. "Democrat" is not an adjective. truthisfreedom Oct 2019 #8
I'm living on SSDI and recently applied for food stamps. (drum roll please) YOHABLO Oct 2019 #9
Charles Koch had 41.3 billion but you have to take away 4.5 billion from the mouths of poor people Maraya1969 Oct 2019 #10
Sorry to tell you orangecrush Oct 2019 #12
Punishing states that vote Democratic bucolic_frolic Oct 2019 #11
My ? is this...how does he get the authority to cut this? I thought this was auth. by ... SWBTATTReg Oct 2019 #13
Congress approves a budget for it (Farm Bill) and designates the appropriations BumRushDaShow Oct 2019 #15
Thanks so much for the heads up. At least States do have some cntl still on appropriations... SWBTATTReg Oct 2019 #17
You are welcome but one other thing BumRushDaShow Oct 2019 #19
And you're are absolutlely right! Thank god at least we some recourse...from what I hear, ... SWBTATTReg Oct 2019 #20
My reading of the underlying materials referred to Igel Oct 2019 #23
I think that high cost in the NE (and some other areas) BumRushDaShow Oct 2019 #24
The cruelty is the point hatrack Oct 2019 #14
That was going to be my post, too. dchill Oct 2019 #18
More money for bluestarone Oct 2019 #16
"the third time the Trump administration has moved to cut food stamps" left-of-center2012 Oct 2019 #21
Trump loves cruelty sakabatou Oct 2019 #22
I will never look at Trump supporters the same. CrispyQ Oct 2019 #25
The image... Newest Reality Oct 2019 #26
This treasonous MFM008 Oct 2019 #27

Leghorn21

(13,524 posts)
3. Oh sweet, watch people suffer TWO ways for the price of one!!
Fri Oct 4, 2019, 04:30 PM
Oct 2019

Those cuts would be concentrated in cold northern states that would be most affected by a change in the way heating costs are calculated.”

Starve them AND freeze them simultaneously!!

NICE WORK YOU MOTHERFUCKING SADOMASOCHISTS

Lochloosa

(16,063 posts)
4. The most egregious statement is 40 million on SNAP.
Fri Oct 4, 2019, 04:33 PM
Oct 2019

A living wage would go a long way to eliminating that number.

keithbvadu2

(36,776 posts)
6. Cuts heavily aimed at democrat areas and darker skinned folks?
Fri Oct 4, 2019, 05:07 PM
Oct 2019

Cuts heavily aimed at democrat areas and darker skinned folks?

 

YOHABLO

(7,358 posts)
9. I'm living on SSDI and recently applied for food stamps. (drum roll please)
Fri Oct 4, 2019, 05:45 PM
Oct 2019

I get $18 dollars per ........ month! Yep a big $18 dollars. Oh I'll take it because it's getting harder and harder to afford groceries. Humiliating of course, but what can you do?

Maraya1969

(22,478 posts)
10. Charles Koch had 41.3 billion but you have to take away 4.5 billion from the mouths of poor people
Fri Oct 4, 2019, 05:52 PM
Oct 2019

in this country.

Shame on all of you.

bucolic_frolic

(43,135 posts)
11. Punishing states that vote Democratic
Fri Oct 4, 2019, 05:57 PM
Oct 2019

Pure politics, plain and simple

And pure Trumpian hatred and vindictiveness

SWBTATTReg

(22,112 posts)
13. My ? is this...how does he get the authority to cut this? I thought this was auth. by ...
Fri Oct 4, 2019, 05:58 PM
Oct 2019

Congress as part of the Agriculture bill pushed through?

BumRushDaShow

(128,877 posts)
15. Congress approves a budget for it (Farm Bill) and designates the appropriations
Fri Oct 4, 2019, 06:14 PM
Oct 2019

but what they want to do is change the formula for calculating eligibility -

From the OP -

/snip

Under the new rule, the Agriculture Department would set a fixed allowance for heating and cooling costs based on average utility costs in each state — because “the degree of flexibility in current regulations causes inequities from state to state.”

The department pointed to a study it conducted in 2017 that found that, in some states, overestimates of utility costs were giving some people too many food stamps, while in others, people were getting too few.

The proposed rule aims to “better reflect what low-income households are actually paying for utilities so that eligible households receive SNAP benefit amounts which more accurately reflect their circumstances, no matter the state in which they reside,” the administration said.

States would “still have the option of accepting actual utility costs through documentation from the applicant,” the department said.

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/10/04/us/politics/trump-food-stamp-cuts.html


And of course those who pay the most for utilities (based on weather) are those in the NE & central MW due to hot summers and cold winters (so a need for BOTH heat and AC) vs other parts of the country that might only need AC or might be able to get away with only needing "portables" (heat or AC) for any brief heat or cold waves.

SWBTATTReg

(22,112 posts)
17. Thanks so much for the heads up. At least States do have some cntl still on appropriations...
Fri Oct 4, 2019, 06:27 PM
Oct 2019

as some have listed in the OP trends, some are getting food stamps but the amounts are pathetic and I don't se how this helps people. I remember a neighbor of mine who was applying for food stamps, and he was only going to get something like $15 or thereabouts (a month!).

He said that it wasn't worth the hassle, as he had to take off from his min. paying job to go and get (wasn't sure what he had to get, I guess proof etc.). A real shame for these folks are in need and if they are going to take taxes from me, I'd rather have it make a difference in someone's life.

Thanks again!

BumRushDaShow

(128,877 posts)
19. You are welcome but one other thing
Fri Oct 4, 2019, 06:45 PM
Oct 2019

The rule change would probably get a lawsuit filed to block it (like the work requirements change for Medicaid in some states that was blocked), so will have to see what happens in the future as this may not even go into effect.

SWBTATTReg

(22,112 posts)
20. And you're are absolutlely right! Thank god at least we some recourse...from what I hear, ...
Fri Oct 4, 2019, 07:10 PM
Oct 2019

there are about 20+ states that go after such things in court too. Good.

Take care and thanks so much!

I recall the work requirement thing that came out, and it's still being fought in courts in quite a few states...

Igel

(35,300 posts)
23. My reading of the underlying materials referred to
Fri Oct 4, 2019, 07:45 PM
Oct 2019

puts the highest costs in NJ, NY, ME, NH, RH, and MA.

WI and MN are far lower. And I'm not sure that TX, what with AC on 8 months out of the year in many households would come in that far behind.

What *is* different, I've found, are electricity rates. My rates in some states I've lived in had far higher rates--I'd spend $100 a month for my small apt., barely heated or cooled, and then move to where I live now and live in a house 4x the size, with 20 years' inflation, modestly air condition the place, and still pay $200/month in July. Fees and taxes and surcharges plus limits on cheap sources of power and instead focusing on more expensive sources are regressive, even if there is an additional surcharge on electricity and heating oil so as to provide a subsidy to those who can't afford it, often because of all the additional surcharges.

BumRushDaShow

(128,877 posts)
24. I think that high cost in the NE (and some other areas)
Fri Oct 4, 2019, 08:01 PM
Oct 2019

but notably New England, is due to those who still use oil heat - particularly those who are in small towns/rural because no utility has run natural gas lines to those homes (and to use electric heat there - forgeddaboddit!).

I didn't include the "Upper midwest" (like WI or MN or upper peninsula MI) because in many cases - particularly along and near the Canadian border - they don't normally have to have as much of an AC bill compared to areas further south.

But there is an issue of how one would calculate "average" cost when weather (temps) can be so variable from year to year (i.e., would this be over "x" number of years or????).



left-of-center2012

(34,195 posts)
21. "the third time the Trump administration has moved to cut food stamps"
Fri Oct 4, 2019, 07:19 PM
Oct 2019

Alligators ain't cheap.
Gotta fill that border moat.

CrispyQ

(36,457 posts)
25. I will never look at Trump supporters the same.
Sat Oct 5, 2019, 01:05 PM
Oct 2019

There's always gonna be a huge demerit in the integrity/honor/decency/respect column.

Newest Reality

(12,712 posts)
26. The image...
Sat Oct 5, 2019, 01:09 PM
Oct 2019

Taking food out of the mouths of children and seniors. Of course, I include the adults in-between.

Starving the vulnerable in a difficult economic climate, (simply for the fact that working people require assistance to survive) is yet another national disgrace.

As it has been said, you judge a society by the way it treats its most vulnerable members. The judgment is in: failure of decency.

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