Welcome to DU! The truly grassroots left-of-center political community where regular people, not algorithms, drive the discussions and set the standards. Join the community: Create a free account Support DU (and get rid of ads!): Become a Star Member All Forums Issue Forums Culture Forums Alliance Forums Region Forums Support Forums Help & Search

brooklynite

(93,838 posts)
Tue Oct 8, 2019, 07:42 AM Oct 2019

Brexit: Deal 'essentially impossible' after PM-Merkel call - No 10

Source: BBC

A No 10 source says a Brexit deal is "essentially impossible" after a call between the PM and Angela Merkel.

Boris Johnson spoke to the German chancellor earlier about the proposals he put forward to the EU - but the source said she made clear a deal based on them was "overwhelmingly unlikely".

They also claimed she said a deal would never be possible unless Northern Ireland stayed in a customs union.

Mrs Merkel's spokesman said they did not reveal confidential conversations.


Read more: https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-49970267



23 days and counting...
10 replies = new reply since forum marked as read
Highlight: NoneDon't highlight anything 5 newestHighlight 5 most recent replies
Brexit: Deal 'essentially impossible' after PM-Merkel call - No 10 (Original Post) brooklynite Oct 2019 OP
Angela Merkel must be getting tired Grokenstein Oct 2019 #1
Brexit: Tusk accuses Johnson of 'stupid blame game' as No 10 signals talks about to collapse - live nitpicker Oct 2019 #2
"No 10 source" is invariably Dominic Cummings, Johnson's (unelected) special adviser. Denzil_DC Oct 2019 #3
I wonder what happens at the N. Ireland/Ireland boarder on November 1st. Javaman Oct 2019 #4
Troubles IronLionZion Oct 2019 #8
that's what worries me. Javaman Oct 2019 #9
It'll be a scary Halloween this year for the British IronLionZion Oct 2019 #5
It would be very interesting to see polls on a no-deal Brexit in Ulster pecosbob Oct 2019 #6
Except for the incorrect spelling of "summary," BlueMTexpat Oct 2019 #7
Love it! defacto7 Oct 2019 #10

Grokenstein

(5,707 posts)
1. Angela Merkel must be getting tired
Tue Oct 8, 2019, 08:04 AM
Oct 2019

of having to deal with one muttonhead after another.

She probably misses President Obama more than we do.

nitpicker

(7,153 posts)
2. Brexit: Tusk accuses Johnson of 'stupid blame game' as No 10 signals talks about to collapse - live
Tue Oct 8, 2019, 08:09 AM
Oct 2019
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/live/2019/oct/08/brexit-lates-news-boris-johnons-dominic-cummings-accused-of-being-source-of-unofficial-no-10-threat-to-retaliate-against-eu-countries-that-back-extension-live-news

(snip)
Donald Tusk, the president of the European council, has posted a tweet responding to the briefing from No 10 today (see 10.25am and 10.34am). Unusually, he has directed it at Boris Johnson personally – including a payoff in Latin (because Johnson, of course, is a classicist).

Verified account @eucopresident


.@BorisJohnson, what’s at stake is not winning some stupid blame game. At stake is the future of Europe and the UK as well as the security and interests of our people. You don’t want a deal, you don’t want an extension, you don’t want to revoke, quo vadis?
(snip)


Denzil_DC

(7,187 posts)
3. "No 10 source" is invariably Dominic Cummings, Johnson's (unelected) special adviser.
Tue Oct 8, 2019, 08:45 AM
Oct 2019

The media insist on parroting whatever his ravings are on a particular day. They're always belligerent posturing with scant grounding in wider reality - pure rabble-rousing spin with an eye on electoral politics, not negotiation, decidely Trumpian.

For instance, here's "No. 10 source" briefing anonymously to The Spectator magazine the other day:





The rant is fatuous.

The EU negotiates trade deals as a bloc (something the UK government's Brexiteers took a long time to realize, and some haven't accepted as reality yet), so there's no way to peel off and "punish" individual countries in terms of trade, and little scope to do so in other areas. The UK government hasn't dealt itself a strong hand.

As for "defence and security cooperation will inevitably be affected if the EU tries to keep Britain in against the will of its government", here's the Secretary of State for Northern Ireland's reaction today:



Julian Smith MP
@JulianSmithUK

I am clear that any threat on withdrawing security cooperation with Ireland is unacceptable. This is not in the interest of NI or the Union.


Smith isn't the only cabinet member reported to be uneasy with Cummings's increasingly deranged and desperate anonymous briefings.

IronLionZion

(45,252 posts)
8. Troubles
Tue Oct 8, 2019, 10:27 AM
Oct 2019

Opening that border was one of the reasons the troubles stopped. No need to be divided if everyone is European.

The backstop proposal is to remain in the customs union and Northern Ireland to keep some aspects of single market with Ireland for a bit longer until a permanent solution is found. It would be very bad if they close that border.

Javaman

(62,439 posts)
9. that's what worries me.
Tue Oct 8, 2019, 10:31 AM
Oct 2019

back in the early '80's I dated a gal from Ireland.

Her parents would talk in Gaelic when ever I was around in very hushed tones.

her brother was attending the university at Belfast.

they had real skin in the game.

I learned an awful lot from them.

BlueMTexpat

(15,348 posts)
7. Except for the incorrect spelling of "summary,"
Tue Oct 8, 2019, 09:47 AM
Oct 2019

I really love this. Because that is indeed what is happening.

*****************

Latest Discussions»Latest Breaking News»Brexit: Deal 'essentially...