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mahatmakanejeeves

(57,290 posts)
Thu Nov 7, 2019, 05:48 PM Nov 2019

Republicans urge Bevin to provide proof of election fraud or 'let it go' and concede

Source: Kentucky.com

Republicans urge Bevin to provide proof of election fraud or 'let it go' and concede
BY DANIEL DESROCHERS
NOVEMBER 07, 2019 03:51 PM, UPDATED 41 MINUTES AGO

A growing number of Republican lawmakers are urging Kentucky Gov. Matt Bevin, a fellow Republican, to either provide evidence of the voting "irregularities" he has alleged or concede Tuesday's election to Gov.-elect Andy Beshear, who defeated him by 5,189 votes.

"The best thing to do, the right thing to do, is for Governor Bevin to concede the election today so we can move on," said Rep. Jason Nemes, R-Louisville.

Senate President Robert Stivers, R-Manchester, first raised the possibility of the tight election being decided by the Republican-led legislature Tuesday night when he explained the process that would occur if Bevin decided to challenge the results of the race. Bevin bolstered that speculation Wednesday by claiming that thousands of absentee ballots were counted illegally without presenting any proof to back up his claim. (1)

Republicans in the legislature aren't buying it. ... Nemes said he has not seen much support for an election challenge among his Republican colleagues in the House, largely because the governor has not backed up his claims. None of the lawmakers the Herald-Leader spoke to Thursday said they had seen evidence to support Bevin's claims.
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(1) https://www.kentucky.com/news/politics-government/article237063654.html


Read more: https://www.kentucky.com/news/politics-government/article237113614.html





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Republicans urge Bevin to provide proof of election fraud or 'let it go' and concede (Original Post) mahatmakanejeeves Nov 2019 OP
Know when to hold 'em, know when to fold 'em, know when to walk away Maeve Nov 2019 #1
I was thinking of linking to a Disney song, but I thought better of it. NT mahatmakanejeeves Nov 2019 #2
Good choice Maeve Nov 2019 #5
... know when to flip the table, scattering cards and chips, and shoot the other players. JustABozoOnThisBus Nov 2019 #23
That would be the smart move. Flaleftist Nov 2019 #3
Especially with Trump and McConnell on the top of the ticket in Kentucky.... ProudMNDemocrat Nov 2019 #7
Wow. The pukes have come to their senses? fleur-de-lisa Nov 2019 #4
Even.among repukes Cirque du So-What Nov 2019 #16
Nah. Their problem is a very unpopular soon-to-be-EX-Governor. calimary Nov 2019 #36
it was the teachers that pushed votes for Beshear over the top onetexan Nov 2019 #37
Republican integrity??? NBachers Nov 2019 #6
+1 ejbr Nov 2019 #9
Plausible deniability to steal 2020? Lucky Luciano Nov 2019 #15
Not integrity .. but kevink077 Nov 2019 #14
Doubtful. They must not like Bevins anymore than many GOP like Trump bitterross Nov 2019 #22
The optics of that would be really bad. Maybe they can see that? Wounded Bear Nov 2019 #8
Their fear might be based on the complete opposite as in they could be scared that cstanleytech Nov 2019 #13
That's what I thought. Beshear may have won DESPITE their shenanigans LisaM Nov 2019 #26
Given the Repub party lately, I could see that... Wounded Bear Nov 2019 #29
They still feel like they have to maintain SOME illusion of integrity. klook Nov 2019 #24
if ballots (for him) were not counted why did all - ALL - the other state-wide GOP candidates win EveHammond13 Nov 2019 #10
Haha so bitter kevink077 Nov 2019 #11
I wonder if they are urging him because its the right thing to do or because they are scared that cstanleytech Nov 2019 #12
Maybe he's trying to create the roadmap Bob Loblaw Nov 2019 #17
As I understand their law, Bevin must now go to a Judge and SHOW a reason thate the count might be napi21 Nov 2019 #18
This is truly shocking that they wouldn't descend into the lunacy BumRushDaShow Nov 2019 #19
The message I'm hearing here is that patphil Nov 2019 #20
Beshear sounds more like a centrist Dem than a Bernie clone... Wounded Bear Nov 2019 #31
Fustercluck...I love it. patphil Nov 2019 #38
"thousands of absentee ballots were counted illegally" IOW they only want the RIGHT ballots counted groundloop Nov 2019 #21
Sane people hate Bevin here Bayard Nov 2019 #25
Sounds like the Virginia Senate election when George Allen lost to Jim Webb DFW Nov 2019 #27
"voting "irregularities" """" pangaia Nov 2019 #28
Irregularities? Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Nov 2019 #30
Bevin should be careful what he looks for PatSeg Nov 2019 #32
he must be a real ass if his own party is saying this. ha! Kurt V. Nov 2019 #33
Does it count dflprincess Nov 2019 #34
Isn't it his own administration ensuring the integrity of the voting process? keithbvadu2 Nov 2019 #35
It's good to know the republican legislators mountain grammy Nov 2019 #39
No. When Republicans lose they are call the democratic process fraudulent McCamy Taylor Nov 2019 #40

JustABozoOnThisBus

(23,321 posts)
23. ... know when to flip the table, scattering cards and chips, and shoot the other players.
Thu Nov 7, 2019, 07:20 PM
Nov 2019

In other words, know when the Republican has lost.

Flaleftist

(3,473 posts)
3. That would be the smart move.
Thu Nov 7, 2019, 05:58 PM
Nov 2019

I can see trying to steal the governorship energizing Democrats even more for 2020.

ProudMNDemocrat

(16,722 posts)
7. Especially with Trump and McConnell on the top of the ticket in Kentucky....
Thu Nov 7, 2019, 06:23 PM
Nov 2019

And as more suburbs vote Democratic, along with those in the rural areas hurting because of low to no economic growth.

More Democrats running down ballot just might have a shot in Kentucky.

Cirque du So-What

(25,908 posts)
16. Even.among repukes
Thu Nov 7, 2019, 06:45 PM
Nov 2019

Bevin is coming off as exceptionally whiny and conspiratorial. No partisan hack wants to hitch up to that wagon.

calimary

(81,110 posts)
36. Nah. Their problem is a very unpopular soon-to-be-EX-Governor.
Thu Nov 7, 2019, 08:28 PM
Nov 2019

If Bevin’s reputation didn’t stink so bad, I’d expect them to try to fight for him. And, hopefully, to overturn the will of the people. Plus, if they thought there’d be any possibility of getting away with it, they’d likely go for it. They probably assume Bevin’s so toxic that they’re better off distancing themselves from him.

They don’t want to go down with HIS ship.

kevink077

(365 posts)
14. Not integrity .. but
Thu Nov 7, 2019, 06:40 PM
Nov 2019

They really do not like him either and now the safe political move is to call for him to concede. They will still have their majorities but he was likely more of a bully to people in his own party. Like that boss you cannot stand....

 

bitterross

(4,066 posts)
22. Doubtful. They must not like Bevins anymore than many GOP like Trump
Thu Nov 7, 2019, 07:14 PM
Nov 2019

I can't believe they have any integrity, ethics or proper desires. They must just really hate Bevins.

Wounded Bear

(58,598 posts)
8. The optics of that would be really bad. Maybe they can see that?
Thu Nov 7, 2019, 06:26 PM
Nov 2019

The SoS is running an audit, right? Hopefully it comes back with zero to minimal discrepancies, making a legislative move look even worse.

cstanleytech

(26,236 posts)
13. Their fear might be based on the complete opposite as in they could be scared that
Thu Nov 7, 2019, 06:37 PM
Nov 2019

something they did and or were engaged in could be found out and come back to haunt them.

LisaM

(27,794 posts)
26. That's what I thought. Beshear may have won DESPITE their shenanigans
Thu Nov 7, 2019, 07:42 PM
Nov 2019

and if they start peeling the onion, it might affect other races, or at least totals.

Wounded Bear

(58,598 posts)
29. Given the Repub party lately, I could see that...
Thu Nov 7, 2019, 08:01 PM
Nov 2019

It's the old "what happens if cheating doesn't work?" problem.

Consider also, McConnell has been winning lately even with crappy polls leading into election day. Would love to see KY continue the effort and depose him.

klook

(12,151 posts)
24. They still feel like they have to maintain SOME illusion of integrity.
Thu Nov 7, 2019, 07:26 PM
Nov 2019

They were hoping that by now they wouldn't even need to pretend, but they haven't managed to obliterate democracy.

kevink077

(365 posts)
11. Haha so bitter
Thu Nov 7, 2019, 06:33 PM
Nov 2019

This win was very sweet. One of the biggest jerks in all of the Country, let along KY. A jerk like this will not give up power that easily, so nobody should be shocked here.

cstanleytech

(26,236 posts)
12. I wonder if they are urging him because its the right thing to do or because they are scared that
Thu Nov 7, 2019, 06:35 PM
Nov 2019

something else they are doing might be found out that could potentially land them in prison.
Personally I lean towards the wanting to avoid prison option as doing the right thing is almost unheard of for them.

Bob Loblaw

(1,900 posts)
17. Maybe he's trying to create the roadmap
Thu Nov 7, 2019, 06:47 PM
Nov 2019

for Trump to follow when he refuses to concede and vacate the executive mansion.

napi21

(45,806 posts)
18. As I understand their law, Bevin must now go to a Judge and SHOW a reason thate the count might be
Thu Nov 7, 2019, 06:49 PM
Nov 2019

in question. If he can't do that, then NO RECOUNT!

BumRushDaShow

(128,456 posts)
19. This is truly shocking that they wouldn't descend into the lunacy
Thu Nov 7, 2019, 06:55 PM
Nov 2019

except maybe for the reason that post #7 mentions with Turtle's job on the line (and apparently his approval rating is under water).

patphil

(6,150 posts)
20. The message I'm hearing here is that
Thu Nov 7, 2019, 06:56 PM
Nov 2019

Bevins isn't that well liked by the Republican Kentucky legislators, and Beshear would be acceptable to them as governor.
They don't want the controversy of a governor losing and then being reinstalled contrary to the will of the electorate.
It could make it harder for them to get reelected.
If they felt highly of Bevins, they might be willing to take the risk, but his numbers were already bad, and this would make them tank even more.
Better to lighten the load and live to fight another day.

Patrick Phillips

Wounded Bear

(58,598 posts)
31. Beshear sounds more like a centrist Dem than a Bernie clone...
Thu Nov 7, 2019, 08:05 PM
Nov 2019

and in KY, that's probably as far left as someone can wander and still get half the folks to pull the lever.

Plus, he promised to try to clean up the Repub fustercluck on Medicaid and ACA. I bet Repubs secretly want that done, but need a Dem in office to do it for them.

groundloop

(11,513 posts)
21. "thousands of absentee ballots were counted illegally" IOW they only want the RIGHT ballots counted
Thu Nov 7, 2019, 07:06 PM
Nov 2019

As with voter suppression efforts, repubs know that their path to winning is ensuring that only certain types of people vote. If there's a fair election where EVERYONE votes and with no ratfucking they'll lose bigly.

DFW

(54,291 posts)
27. Sounds like the Virginia Senate election when George Allen lost to Jim Webb
Thu Nov 7, 2019, 07:52 PM
Nov 2019

Allen was going to mount a challenge when he suddenly developed a severe case of permanent laryngitis. I take it someone told him that if the election vote tally was thoroughly examined, some Republican political operatives might find themselves behind bars, and it was safer to let Webb be seated. If a thorough examination of the Kentucky gubernatorial election were to be conducted, and it were to lead to Moscow Mitch wearing stripes that were NOT pinstripes on his suit, I assume someone will tell Bevin in no uncertain terms to accept the results and shut up, since the real results would probably increase the margin of his loss tenfold anyway.

pangaia

(24,324 posts)
28. "voting "irregularities" """"
Thu Nov 7, 2019, 07:54 PM
Nov 2019

screw that shit..
Whenever there is cheating it is ALWAYS the nazi fuckers doing it..

PatSeg

(47,260 posts)
32. Bevin should be careful what he looks for
Thu Nov 7, 2019, 08:06 PM
Nov 2019

If there are any "irregularities" in Kentucky, its likely to be on the republican side. He might just expose his own party. Its possible that Beshear actually won by more votes.

keithbvadu2

(36,655 posts)
35. Isn't it his own administration ensuring the integrity of the voting process?
Thu Nov 7, 2019, 08:22 PM
Nov 2019

Isn't it his own administration ensuring the integrity of the voting process?

McCamy Taylor

(19,240 posts)
40. No. When Republicans lose they are call the democratic process fraudulent
Thu Nov 7, 2019, 10:20 PM
Nov 2019

And when they cheat, it is because God gave them the right to cheat.

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