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Fri Nov 29, 2019, 08:52 AM

Ohio bill orders doctors to 'reimplant ectopic pregnancy' or face 'abortion murder' charges

Source: theguardian.com

A bill to ban abortion introduced in the Ohio state legislature requires doctors to “reimplant an ectopic pregnancy” into a woman’s uterus – a procedure that does not exist in medical science – or face charges of “abortion murder”.

This is the second time practising obstetricians and gynecologists have tried to tell the Ohio legislators that the idea is currently medically impossible.

The move comes amid a wave of increasingly severe anti-abortion bills introduced across much of the country as conservative Republican politicians seek to ban abortion and force a legal showdown on abortion with the supreme court.

Ohio’s move on ectopic pregnancies – where an embryo implants on the mother’s fallopian tube rather than her uterus rendering the pregnancy unviable – is one of the most extreme bills to date.


Read more: https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2019/nov/29/ohio-extreme-abortion-bill-reimplant-ectopic-pregnancy?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other

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Reply Ohio bill orders doctors to 'reimplant ectopic pregnancy' or face 'abortion murder' charges (Original post)
Seedersandleechers Nov 2019 OP
Bernardo de La Paz Nov 2019 #1
DENVERPOPS Nov 2019 #102
vlyons Nov 2019 #2
Volaris Nov 2019 #120
soldierant Nov 2019 #141
dewsgirl Nov 2019 #3
Lonestarblue Nov 2019 #6
LisaL Nov 2019 #9
wnylib Nov 2019 #129
wnylib Nov 2019 #130
LisaL Nov 2019 #8
Maraya1969 Nov 2019 #24
Kitchari Nov 2019 #111
susanr516 Nov 2019 #116
Maraya1969 Nov 2019 #118
paleotn Nov 2019 #52
Kitchari Nov 2019 #112
Botany Nov 2019 #4
Ohiogal Nov 2019 #5
PatrickforO Nov 2019 #62
Volaris Nov 2019 #121
greymattermom Nov 2019 #7
NoMoreRepugs Nov 2019 #10
calimary Nov 2019 #39
Ohiogal Nov 2019 #44
Merlot Nov 2019 #48
PatrickforO Nov 2019 #64
MarcA Nov 2019 #96
Volaris Nov 2019 #125
Volaris Nov 2019 #122
paleotn Nov 2019 #55
tmaynardr Nov 2019 #11
mopinko Nov 2019 #14
Bernardo de La Paz Nov 2019 #15
TruckFump Nov 2019 #21
stopbush Nov 2019 #138
littlemissmartypants Nov 2019 #26
certainot Nov 2019 #41
yellowdogintexas Nov 2019 #100
certainot Nov 2019 #107
calimary Nov 2019 #45
yellowdogintexas Nov 2019 #101
calimary Nov 2019 #131
True Blue American Nov 2019 #60
Hekate Nov 2019 #92
ChildOfTheFort Nov 2019 #114
Grokenstein Nov 2019 #12
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LittleGirl Nov 2019 #78
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Ohiogal Nov 2019 #46
wnylib Nov 2019 #132
mopinko Nov 2019 #139
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OhioVoterBlue Nov 2019 #18
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greymattermom Nov 2019 #31
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Ohiogal Nov 2019 #25
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SCVDem Nov 2019 #65
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Kurt V. Nov 2019 #49
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bunny planet Nov 2019 #56
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Response to Seedersandleechers (Original post)

Fri Nov 29, 2019, 08:52 AM

1. The stupidity and idiocy is a public danger. . . . nt

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Response to Bernardo de La Paz (Reply #1)

Fri Nov 29, 2019, 05:52 PM

102. Every time

Every single time these assholes open their mouths and say anything about anything, they willfully expose their complete lack of education and total and complete ignorance on every subject......

Every time I have been involved in an ectopic pregnancy patient, everyone from the Paramedics to the Trauma Surgeons are GOING ALL OUT in a mad ass scramble to try to save the woman's life......

I LOVE IT, let them pass the law, and let the brain addled right to lifers finance the development and techniques with church donations for a procedure that isn't even possible...................................
that would keep them busy for awhile.

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Response to Seedersandleechers (Original post)

Fri Nov 29, 2019, 08:57 AM

2. Sounds like a plan to murder uppity women,

who think that they have the right to control their own bodies.

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Response to vlyons (Reply #2)

Fri Nov 29, 2019, 11:35 PM

120. Yep the FIRST TIME one of these went to trial, they would completely get their asses kicked..

It would be the Dover Decision all over again.

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Response to Volaris (Reply #120)

Sat Nov 30, 2019, 09:15 PM

141. I believe there's a good old Latin phrase for this ...

non est producendum unicornis

It should be a foolproof defense, although with fools like these ....

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Response to Seedersandleechers (Original post)

Fri Nov 29, 2019, 08:59 AM

3. I don't think this is even possible, even if it is wouldn't they

be murdering the mother?

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Response to dewsgirl (Reply #3)

Fri Nov 29, 2019, 09:10 AM

6. If not aborted, an ectopic pregnancy causes a woman to bleed to death.

There have been stories of Catholic hospitals sending women already bleeding to other hospitals because they refuse to do the procedure. To some people, telling women to just die from pregnancy is more important than their backward religious beliefs.

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Response to Lonestarblue (Reply #6)

Fri Nov 29, 2019, 09:13 AM

9. And republicans want the doctors to remove the fetus and place it into the uterus.

The procedure that does not exist. Not all ectopic pregnancies are unwanted. I am sure they would have been women wanted to have fetus relocated. But it can not be done at the current state of medicine.

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Response to Lonestarblue (Reply #6)

Sat Nov 30, 2019, 07:34 AM

129. An ectopic pregnancy does not only cause a

woman to bleed. The fallopian tube can burst from the pressure of the embryo growing. This causes peritonitis and septic shock as well as hemorrhaging. Not to mention that the pain is excruciating.

Never happened to me but I knew a woman years ago that went through this. I worked with her husband who was out of the office on business when we got the emergency call from their neighbor. This was before cell phones and we frantically tried to track down the husband, leaving messages every place he might be.

She nearly died, but did survive, minus one tube.. Bleeding, infection, near zero vitals -- how the hell could anyone save an embryo in that situation, let alone implant it in the uterus while keeping the mother alive?

What total insanity.

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Response to wnylib (Reply #129)

Sat Nov 30, 2019, 07:46 AM

130. Do they exoect all ectopic pregnancies to be

diagnosed before the emergency develops, and a reimplantation to be done as soon as it is discovered?

Even then, the procedure is not yet possible. Just because embryos can be implanted in fertility treatments does not mean it is possible to detach a growing embryo from human tissue intact, keep it alive during the process, and reimplant it.

The people who wrote the bill should be required to watch video of emergency treatment when such a pregnancy occurs.

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Response to dewsgirl (Reply #3)

Fri Nov 29, 2019, 09:12 AM

8. It's not possible to re-implant ectopic pregnancy.

Republicans are trying to pass a bill that is impossible to carry out. The stupid, it burns.

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Response to dewsgirl (Reply #3)

Fri Nov 29, 2019, 09:57 AM

24. I had an ectopic pregnancy. They are idiots. If you catch it early enough, at least

way back with mine they can track it by pregnancy hormones to see if it dissolves itself, which mine did. But after some time it stopped stopping so to speak and I was given a shot of Methotrexate, (a cancer drug) which immediately terminated the pregnancy. I have wondered what these fucking nut jobs would say about the Methotrexate even when the it was well known that the fetus was not viable. I'm sure some prickly little man in Arkansas would want them to refuse all medicine to me.

I wanted to have a baby. It was a fluke and going through the whole process was long and distressing. Fuck all these people.

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Response to Maraya1969 (Reply #24)

Fri Nov 29, 2019, 07:44 PM

111. Agree -- they are idiots

And my sympathies for your travail.

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Response to Maraya1969 (Reply #24)

Fri Nov 29, 2019, 08:38 PM

116. My younger daughter had an ectopic pregnancy

Her ob/gyn Dr. was Catholic and refused to order the Methotrexate. There was another Dr. in the practice who signed off on it. She got a new Dr. in another practice altogether.

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Response to susanr516 (Reply #116)

Fri Nov 29, 2019, 09:42 PM

118. OMG I never thought a doctor would refuse the medicine! What about that, "First do no

Harm" thing? I don't know what happens if you just leave the pregnancy because no one told me but there was a reason for them giving me that drug.

The fact that it was a MAN who refused just pisses me off. I bet he wouldn't put another man through that.

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Response to dewsgirl (Reply #3)

Fri Nov 29, 2019, 11:28 AM

52. To echo those above...it's not. It's lunacy.

It's people legislating from complete ignorance.

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Response to paleotn (Reply #52)

Fri Nov 29, 2019, 07:46 PM

112. Ignorance is too kind a word

It's sadism and misogyny

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Response to Seedersandleechers (Original post)

Fri Nov 29, 2019, 09:03 AM

4. After my mother passes I'm out of here ... I'm sick of these God Warriors

Ohio = Northern Oklahoma

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Response to Seedersandleechers (Original post)

Fri Nov 29, 2019, 09:07 AM

5. Next up...

Ohio legislators pass bill ordering doctors to implant all broken arms into the patient’s forehead.

The stupid here, it just burns.

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Response to Ohiogal (Reply #5)

Fri Nov 29, 2019, 11:44 AM

62. LOL. only for Republican men.

That's really funny!

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Response to Ohiogal (Reply #5)

Fri Nov 29, 2019, 11:43 PM

121. No, they'll just require doctors to start casting Brackium Emendo spells...

And next, they'll require all special forces team members to learn Expecto Patronum spells in the Room of Requirement as a deterrent to Enemy Actions.

Because that's how fucking stupid this is.

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Response to Seedersandleechers (Original post)

Fri Nov 29, 2019, 09:11 AM

7. Doctors can move.

Are they trying to become a state with no ob/gyns?

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Response to Seedersandleechers (Original post)

Fri Nov 29, 2019, 09:15 AM

10. And still some women vote Republican.

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Response to NoMoreRepugs (Reply #10)

Fri Nov 29, 2019, 11:06 AM

39. That's something I will NEVER understand.

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Response to calimary (Reply #39)

Fri Nov 29, 2019, 11:14 AM

44. Me, either.

They must not have brains or think for themselves.

I hear a lot of "Democrats are baby killers!" and that's where their argument ends.

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Response to Ohiogal (Reply #44)

Fri Nov 29, 2019, 11:22 AM

48. So if women don't vote the way you want them to they "don't have brains or

think for themselves?"

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Response to Merlot (Reply #48)

Fri Nov 29, 2019, 11:49 AM

64. I'm thinking if a woman (or a man) votes for any of these idiots,

then there's definitely a problem. Either they are too lazy to get the real news by digging through a variety of sources like we all do, and/or they have been propagandized by the very sophisticated right-wing noise machine, and/or by Russian propaganda, and/or lack basic human compassion.

So yeah, I'm thinking anyone of any gender who votes for these particular idiots doesn't think for her/himself.

Some of these state legislators are so dumb, seriously, that they can barely fog a mirror. And it is possible for women to act in strikingly ignorant ways just as it is for men. Kind of an equality of stupidity in this particular case, because there's no way the people in the legislature who voted this through deserve to be there.

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Response to Merlot (Reply #48)

Fri Nov 29, 2019, 04:55 PM

96. Anyone who votes For such reps is evil or stupid. n/t

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Response to Merlot (Reply #48)

Sat Nov 30, 2019, 12:08 AM

125. I think Ohiogal wants these women to vote for policies that wont get them killed.

My boss is a black, female, independent business owner. When she says she considers voting republican because she doesnt want her small business taxes raised, but is otherwise an ABSOLUTE DEMOCRAT, that's no bullshit. Shes not stupid, she just doesnt wanna pay a cent more to anybody for covering the cost of Blood on the Sand (in middle east foreign wars of choice) than she has to.

I think Ohiogal probably believes that choice is about a woman being able to have a baby, or not, at her own discretion and on her own terms, and NOT have any of that decision making process left up to the state legislature (especially when that decision can legally cost her life, and isn't a viable medical procedure in the first place).

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Response to Ohiogal (Reply #44)

Fri Nov 29, 2019, 11:45 PM

122. I'm gonna go with they think that in order to keep their Big Strong Republican MAN,

they have to subject themselves to the status of brood mares, or starve.

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Response to NoMoreRepugs (Reply #10)

Fri Nov 29, 2019, 11:31 AM

55. Propaganda and fundy religion are powerful things

They cause people to do some outlandish shit, usually to their own detriment.

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Response to Seedersandleechers (Original post)

Fri Nov 29, 2019, 09:26 AM

11. Help Ohio

Ohio has become one of the states where the rural religious faction of the Republican party has begun to implement it's most radical positions in an attempt to push the whole country further to the right.

If you want to fight back, help us in Ohio. If you are in a solid blue district, reach out to a local dem club in Ohio and ask how you can help from your location. In my local hometown on the west side of Cuyahoga County, we have been coordinating, canvassing, and have fought back together since 2016. We have knocked over 10,000 doors and we have begun to see some success. We helped elect the first democratic candidate in 20+ years to the local city council (City of Rocky River). We plan on continuing this trend and knock even more homes next year.

But we need help in the trenches. If you are in another part of the country wondering what you can do to fight back against the politicians that pursue these radical policies, reach out to a local club and ask how you can help. We need volunteers to make phone calls, send personal letters, post to FB time lines and groups, write blog posts, send out blast emails. There are a lot of good that can be accomplished if we start to band together.

If you are interested and need some direction on where you can help, please reach out to me. Things will get better when we work as a group, for the best interests of our society.

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Response to tmaynardr (Reply #11)

Fri Nov 29, 2019, 09:30 AM

14. welcome to du.

keep up the good fight.

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Response to tmaynardr (Reply #11)

Fri Nov 29, 2019, 09:30 AM

15. Welcome to DU. Best wishes in Ohio. . . . nt

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Response to tmaynardr (Reply #11)

Fri Nov 29, 2019, 09:36 AM

21. Native Buckeye.

Moved to SoCal in 1963. So glad I am not residing in Ohio and watching the RW insanity take hold.

You have my deepest sympathies.

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Response to TruckFump (Reply #21)

Sat Nov 30, 2019, 12:34 PM

138. Same here. Born in OH in 1954, moved out in 1977 and never looked back. Now in SoCal.

My siblings all still live in OH.

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Response to tmaynardr (Reply #11)

Fri Nov 29, 2019, 10:16 AM

26. Righteous post. I am so glad to see you make a call to action!

It breaks my heart when folks talk about leaving their homes when faced with this kind of deranged politics. Many of these laws are literally cookie cutter laws from dominionism, federalists and ALEC. Running doesn’t do any good. This madness is equal opportunity insanity. From Texas to NC to Ohio to Indiana, West Virginia and beyond it's just going to keep popping up until we stake our claims to a righteous democracy and Get Out The Vote. When we do that we win. Thank you for your inspiring words. ❤

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Response to tmaynardr (Reply #11)

Fri Nov 29, 2019, 11:12 AM

41. you need offense - protest the 5 ohio universities that support 10 limbaugh stations

OHIO 10 Ohio St. 6, Toledo 1, Dayton 1, Bowling Green 1, Xavier 1

if ohio GOP would pay $1000 for a 1hr infomercial 10 stations x 15 hrs/day are worth $750,000/WEEK FREE for them, paid for by advertisers and endorsed by those uni brandss, logos, etc

talk radio is the GOP GOTV

whenever and whatever the left protests at rw talk radio stations will be front page

the 88+ universities that use their majority black athletes to attract advertisers to 260 of those KKK radio stations are all good places to protest. the cons can ignore protests everywhere else because a few hundred ignorant liars on those radio stations yell over the protestors as long as it takes.

protests directed directly at the problem will freak the cons out. they'll howl "free speech!!", media will notice, and that will send advertisers to the hills. the cons will have to fund it directly and that will end the 'market demand' for lies and hate bullshit

the only unique advantage the fascists have now is talk radio and all americans have to do is stop ignoring it

artificial intelligence-enhanced transcription now makes it inevitable that talk radio will be digitized so it can finally be analyzed - it needs to happen NOW and the dem party and left orgs have no fucking excuse to continue the stupidity. advertisers can easily be listed and associated with content - easy, fast, and cheap. stoprush x 100 is possible.

boycotts of ANY advertiser on ANY rw radio station/show and protests at the 88 universities will send advertisers running and will force the ad industry to ask advertisers if they really support trump and global warming denial. and when universities start looking for apolitical alternatives to broadcast sports on many of those stations will be forced to go to other programming.

this fascism has been blasting from 1500 radio stations for 30 years UNCHALLENGED by the left. as a protected unchalled 20-1 monopoly that dominates politiocal messaging in 40 states with 80- senators it operates outside the free speech spectrum. it won't survive if it's forced to compete.

for americans to despair over the rise of fascism while doing NOTHING about rw talk radio is very sad, especially going into this election and facing global warming acceleration - it's the biggest political mistake in history

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Response to certainot (Reply #41)

Fri Nov 29, 2019, 05:26 PM

100. If alumni of these universities threaten to stop their donations

to the school, I should think the Board of Directors would sit up and take notice very quickly. Come to think of it, if their very famous athletic alums began protesting that would go a long way as well.

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Response to yellowdogintexas (Reply #100)

Fri Nov 29, 2019, 07:09 PM

107. today i got to talk briefly to a regent of one of the listed universities

without having the opportunity to discuss and explain he said he didn't think there was any way the university would stop advertising on the limbaugh station. the guy is a big donor dem. in this case the uni actually puts recruiting ads on there - touting diversity and scholarship, etc! he just said the republicans would blow up about it. he was afraid of their reaction.

i wished i'd had a chance to argue before he took off, and i would have told him all the better if they got attention to it. then other unis would notice. and the ad industry would notice.

i think famous athletic alums would be a great way to get attention to it, but i don't know any......

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Response to tmaynardr (Reply #11)

Fri Nov 29, 2019, 11:14 AM

45. Welcome to DU, tmaynardr! Your local Indivisibles can help.

We have a Postcard Party three Sundays per month (two of our own and one at a nearby senior center that’s focused on the climate crisis). Our team leader gets lists of addresses of Democratic voters in other states so we can write postcards to various districts to urge them in general to vote, or to support a particular local candidate. We up here in Oregon wrote to Orange County voters in SoCal to support Harley Rouda in 2018, for example, and it helped him flip that district from red to blue. We also wrote to Florida voters earlier this month to remind them that they can now vote from home, and how they can sign up for the program set up to expedite that.

I think our team leader gets her lists from the Democratic Party, but I can find out more specifics if you like! Our next Postcard Party is this coming Sunday (two days from now).

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Response to calimary (Reply #45)

Fri Nov 29, 2019, 05:33 PM

101. also check out the Postcards to Voters website

https://postcardstovoters.org/

They can help you get postcard writers from all over the country. Once you sign up you get an email when a new campaign is started. You get an email and if you want to participate they will send you a mailing list.

I have sent postcards to Kentucky, LA, MS, AL, GA, and TN.

If there are flippable districts and the candidate's campaign has registered, emails will go out all over the country.

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Response to yellowdogintexas (Reply #101)

Sat Nov 30, 2019, 08:11 AM

131. Excellent! There ARE things that can be done!

It’s NOT true that there’s nothing we can do.

We are NOT out of options.

And we certainly don’t need to feel hopeless.

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Response to tmaynardr (Reply #11)

Fri Nov 29, 2019, 11:42 AM

60. Maybe in 2021

When we get a Committee to fix Jim Jordan and John Boehner’s Districts.

I do know that Republican Counties all down the Ohio River voted for Obama. They had been Republican for 100 years. Then reverted back.

Covington, Cincinnati suburb went solid blue in the Ky. Election this time.

Welcome to the board!

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Response to tmaynardr (Reply #11)

Fri Nov 29, 2019, 04:35 PM

92. Planned Parenthood has been fighting for a century. Consider donating to them as well.

Planned Parenthood Action Fund (a political PAC)

Planned Parenthood of America (providing services; this is national, google for state and local)

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Response to tmaynardr (Reply #11)

Fri Nov 29, 2019, 08:16 PM

114. Where do hoosiers go to find these groups?

 

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Response to Seedersandleechers (Original post)

Fri Nov 29, 2019, 09:29 AM

12. Gonna be a lot of "butterfingers" in the operating room.

...if this bill passes, which at one time I would have been very confident would never happen.

What's going to be the breaking point, folks?
Is there one at all?

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Response to Seedersandleechers (Original post)

Fri Nov 29, 2019, 09:30 AM

13. Gynotician

Gynotician

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Response to keithbvadu2 (Reply #13)

Fri Nov 29, 2019, 03:09 PM

78. I didn't realize

That they created a word for this! OMG

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Response to Seedersandleechers (Original post)

Fri Nov 29, 2019, 09:31 AM

16. at some point shouldnt their be some punishment for passing such bogus laws?

elections, obviously, but really, somebody lied under oath here. somebodies.

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Response to mopinko (Reply #16)

Fri Nov 29, 2019, 11:19 AM

46. If anything

They are knowingly and purposely wasting time and taxpayer money on this garbage. That in itself should call for forced ouster of any complicit legislators. After all, don't Republicans always claim they want effective use of our tax dollars? (eye roll) Even Kasich, who I loathed, had said he wouldn't sign any of these stupid bills because fighting them in court was a waste of money and they would surely lose. I can think of a zillion other ways they can create legislation that supports life and well being, instead of this total shit.

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Response to mopinko (Reply #16)

Sat Nov 30, 2019, 08:29 AM

132. Charge them with attempted murder for putting

doctors in an impossible bind which can cause the death of the mother.

Of course it will never happen, but I would love to see a DA try it just to publicize the insanity.

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Response to wnylib (Reply #132)

Sat Nov 30, 2019, 12:52 PM

139. nobody has to make up crimes, or stretch anything. these lies are felonies .

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Response to Seedersandleechers (Original post)

Fri Nov 29, 2019, 09:32 AM

17. "conservative Republican politicians"

Today's Republican Party has redefined the term "conservative" to a medical condition. It is now a brain disease.

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Response to Seedersandleechers (Original post)

Fri Nov 29, 2019, 09:33 AM

18. Same old

 

All this bs started with "moderate" kasich who appointed his lackey to be the state medical director. He was the first non medical physician to hold the post in some time. The rest of the state legislature is full of failed businessmen rather than attorneys or professionals who are so pro-life that they only sell out to fracking, the gun lobby and reducing support systems for the least who can afford it. Just like scripture says.
Support candidates like beth listen, support female candidates, support smarter candidates. My xmas wish is for a purple Ohio again...

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Response to OhioVoterBlue (Reply #18)

Fri Nov 29, 2019, 04:50 PM

95. Kasich bullshit artist

The man is just Trump with less money and maybe just barely 15 points higher IQ. And it would totally piss him off to no end if you told him that to his face.

His 8 years as Governor undermined our schools and infrastructure and took us back to the Dark Ages. On top of this, he appointed his lackeys to every possible position around the state. They are actually considering this unqualified buffoon to be the next president at OSU because the board of trustees is full of a bunch of Kasich loyalists.

The state party Dems here blew a big opportunity to take him to task in 2014 over SB5 and boot him out of the governorship.

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Response to Seedersandleechers (Original post)

Fri Nov 29, 2019, 09:34 AM

19. omg DeWine looks like...



Ralphie

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Response to CurtEastPoint (Reply #19)

Fri Nov 29, 2019, 10:26 AM

30. "Ralphie" bcame a very handsome man in adulthood.

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Response to maddiemom (Reply #30)

Fri Nov 29, 2019, 11:28 AM

53. And how... I saw that! Too bad DeWine hasn't.

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Response to CurtEastPoint (Reply #53)

Fri Nov 29, 2019, 02:08 PM

72. Is it DeWine or is it DimWit?

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Response to Seedersandleechers (Original post)

Fri Nov 29, 2019, 09:36 AM

20. Remember the days when Republicans said the government shouldn't come between you and your doctor?

Not only are those days long gone, but they're even placing themselves between doctors and science.

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Response to Seedersandleechers (Original post)

Fri Nov 29, 2019, 09:52 AM

22. Perhaps sperm should be injected back into penises.

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Response to PWPippinesq (Reply #22)

Fri Nov 29, 2019, 10:44 AM

31. Love that idea.

Or the death penalty for masturbation. Masturbation is murder!

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Response to greymattermom (Reply #31)

Fri Nov 29, 2019, 11:01 AM

36. Indeed! Interesting what (mostly) men want to impose on women.

The best way to avoid any pregnancy is to cease and desist.

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Response to Seedersandleechers (Original post)

Fri Nov 29, 2019, 09:56 AM

23. Is male masturbation considered murder?

Just think of all that sperm being killed every day!

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Response to zanana1 (Reply #23)

Fri Nov 29, 2019, 03:01 PM

76. Well, it should be!

Every sperm is sacred. Every sperm is great. If a sperm gets wasted, God gets QUITE IRATE!

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Response to Newest Reality (Reply #76)

Fri Nov 29, 2019, 03:03 PM

77. Then really need to pass a bill...

Where some brains are implanted in their heads. For some, it might mean a cerebro-rectal transplant back to the skull, obviously.

Keep electing those idiots and your state will eventually be toast. You can't make it in today's world with backwards dinosaurs with all kinds of compensation complexes making laws. Sorry.

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Response to zanana1 (Reply #23)

Fri Nov 29, 2019, 06:18 PM

104. How about a bill requiring sperm be "reloaded"

if it does not fertilize an egg? GOP medical "Experts" need to look into that.

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Response to Seedersandleechers (Original post)

Fri Nov 29, 2019, 10:13 AM

25. These uber zealous misogynists

Do NOT represent the majority of Ohioans. They have gerrymandered their way into control of our state.

I find them hideously disgusting and a disgrace to all the good people who live here. They are turning our state into a national laughingstock.

Ohioans need to get off their butts, get out, and vote them out.

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Response to Ohiogal (Reply #25)

Fri Nov 29, 2019, 09:09 PM

117. i suppose a woman can be a misogynist

since "The bill is sponsored by representatives Candice Keller and Ron Hood"

meet idiot candice keller:
http://www.ohiohouse.gov/candice-keller

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Response to Seedersandleechers (Original post)

Fri Nov 29, 2019, 10:22 AM

27. Stuff like this makes me glad the Texas legislature is only in session for 140 days every 2 years

Otherwise, we would be stuck with more crazy bills like this.

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Response to Seedersandleechers (Original post)

Fri Nov 29, 2019, 10:25 AM

28. Next bill: Get pregnant or else.

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Response to dchill (Reply #28)

Fri Nov 29, 2019, 10:45 AM

32. That is next.

They will outlaw contraception.

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Response to Seedersandleechers (Original post)

Fri Nov 29, 2019, 10:26 AM

29. If this is a real story the every Pro-choice candidate

Last edited Fri Nov 29, 2019, 04:54 PM - Edit history (1)

and sane Democratic members should highlight this insane nonsense to show how far these "religious" idiots will go to enact their Sharia Law.

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Response to Seedersandleechers (Original post)

Fri Nov 29, 2019, 10:45 AM

33. Next up: Ohio legislature passes bill declaring...

...acceleration due to earth’s gravity to be 10 m/s^2

When it was pointed out that doing this was ridiculous, Ohio representative Religio von Idiotron III shouted, “Fuck your physics, 10 is the Holy ordained number, given directly to us from Almighty God” while shaking his Bible at reporters.

I wish that was as crazy & far fetched as it sounds, but with today’s Republican party one never knows.

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Response to HuskyOffset (Reply #33)

Fri Nov 29, 2019, 10:53 AM

35. Hey, it's next to Indiana

Decimals are the work of the devil


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Response to Seedersandleechers (Original post)

Fri Nov 29, 2019, 10:50 AM

34. These people are murdering women who can be saved by medicine

Republicans are hateful and stupid.

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Response to AllyCat (Reply #34)

Fri Nov 29, 2019, 11:29 AM

54. The Legislature

Wanted to pass it while Kasich was in office. Leaders told them Kasich would not sign it.

DeWine is another piece of work.

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Response to Seedersandleechers (Original post)

Fri Nov 29, 2019, 11:02 AM

37. I have always wondered

if Christo-Fascist men have the ability to actually feel love for the women in their lives? Or is that trained out of them from the moment they are weaned off milk? The women buy into the idea that dying is better than eternal Hell.

My Grandmother (born in rural KY in 1917) told me many times that her first clear memory of childhood was from age 6, it was of seeing her Mom’s coffin on front porch just after it was brought. My Great-Grandmother has died from having her 6th child, who also died.

My Grandmother always told me that women who died in childbirth went straight to Heaven, according to what she was told. Her childhood was beyond horrific after her mother’s death.

With today’s medical abilities, the anti-choices, sure don’t give a damn about the already born kids left behind, even though there are ways to save women that never existed before.

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Response to Seedersandleechers (Original post)

Fri Nov 29, 2019, 11:03 AM

38. The roots of this menace

are the desire to breed more and growing masses of stupid people to support their nationalism, consume more products to make them richer, and fight their wars. Their ideology is a metastatic tumor in need of excision.

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Response to Seedersandleechers (Original post)

Fri Nov 29, 2019, 11:07 AM

40. Here's some reseach to use as a springboard to action...

The bill is sponsored by representatives Candice Keller, term expires 2020, contact representative Candice Keller
District 53
77 S. High St
12th Floor
Columbus, OH 43215
Phone (614) 644-5094
Fax (614) 719-6953



http://www.ohiohouse.gov/candice-keller

and Ron Hood, term expires 2020, Representative
District 78
77 S. High St
12th Floor
Columbus, OH 43215
Phone (614) 466-1464
Fax (614) 719-3961



http://www.ohiohouse.gov/ron-hood

and co-sponsored by 19 members of Ohio’s 99-member House.

Read the Bill here: (413 page 184) PDF Download
https://www.legislature.ohio.gov/legislation/legislation-summary?id=GA133-HB-413

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Response to littlemissmartypants (Reply #40)

Fri Nov 29, 2019, 02:14 PM

73. The creatures behind this evil shite

always look like ghouls with human costumes on. (And it looks like Candy-O last honed her makeup skills at a Merle Norman store in 1981.)

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Response to littlemissmartypants (Reply #40)

Fri Nov 29, 2019, 07:22 PM

109. It took me awhile. I thought that I had to read the other bills for perspective but I found it.

"Takes all possible steps to preserve the life of the unborn child, while preserving the life of the woman. Such steps include, if applicable, attempting to reimplant an ectopic pregnancy into the woman's uterus."

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Response to The Wielding Truth (Reply #109)

Fri Nov 29, 2019, 08:07 PM

113. Found report of this being done successfully once in 1916. Need more research for validity.

This is from a Catholic Publication

February 1995 Transplantations of Ectopic Pregnancy from Fallopian Tube to Cavity of Uterus C. J. Wallace
Follow this and additional works at:http://epublications.marquette.edu/lnq
Recommended Citation Wallace, C. J. (1995) "Transplantations of Ectopic Pregnancy from Fallopian Tube to Cavity of Uterus,"The Linacre Quarterly: Vol. 62: No. 1, Article 9. Available at:http://epublications.marquette.edu/lnq/vol62/iss1/9
Transplantations of Ectopic Pregnancy from Fallopian Tube to Cavity of Uterus
by
c.J. Wallace, M.D.
The following is reprinted from Volume 24 of Surgery, Gynecology and Obstetrics, dated May 5, 1917.
Heretofore it has been the advice of our best men that when ectopic pregnancy was diagnosed during the early quiescent period, or when it has been discovered during an abdominal operation, it should be removed at once. This has been the rule followed for years. It has been accepted as the only thing to do. Why have we all these many years been so willing to deprive these little children ofthe right to live just because they were started wrong? In this day of advanced surgery, with the art of transplanting different parts, and, in fact organs of the body, I wonder at the escape of so important a procedure, entailing so little danger, as the transplanting of an ectopic pregnancy from the fallopian tube into the uterus, thus permitting the child to develop and be born as was its intention before its progress was obstructed. Before we go any farther let us look into the conditions and structure of the parts with which we are dealing. The anatomical structure of the fallopian tube is the same as that of the uterus of which it is a continuation - a serous coat, a muscular, and mucous coat. The inner or mucous coat is continuous with the lining of the uterus and at its free extremity with the peritoneum. According to Edgar,l the pathology of ectopic gestation is in part as follows:
This includes changes in the ovum, foetus and uterus. The gestation sac is formed from the coats of the tube wall. The muscular tissue, instead of undergoing hypertrophy, often tends to disappear. The attachment of the ovum does not differ from that in normal uterine pregnancy. A placenta forms, but the decidual structures are rudimentary; so that the chorionic villi penetrate readily into the gestational sac as far as the peritoneum. If the foetus does not die, its tendency is toward poor development, and the various deformities and diseases noted in intra-uterine foetuses. Exceptionally survival occurs and the child may be well developed. The collateral changes in the uterus during ectopic pregnancy are the same to a certain extent as those
February, 1995 67
found in normal pregnancy, even the formation of a decidua vera. If the ovum dies these changes are arrested; otherwise they progress, although at a much slower rate than in intra-uterine pregnancy. The decidua, however, do not keep pace with the uterus and are usually thrown off en masse, simulating abortion. Exceptionally they are retained to term, when so-called false labor occurs.
Thus we see that the early gestation in the tube is practically the same as in the uterus with the exception of its chorionic villi which extend deeper, or rather through into the muscular wall - due to the thinness of the parts in the tube. Up to a certain point the tubal gestation is identical with the intra-uterine gestation. Up to a certain point the uterus keeps pace with the tubal gestation and actually forms a decidua, enlarges, softens, grows darker in color, and in fact takes on all the early features of pregnancy. It is playing the part of a disappointed hostess. It had expected and was fully prepared to receive the fecundated ovum had it not been delayed. Even then it seems hopeful, and continues to develop, though slowly, and if the ectopic pregnancy goes on to full term the uterus will be seen at that time to be as large as a four months' natural pregnancy. Does it not look possible then for an early tubal pregnancy to be transplanted into the uterus where everything is ready and waiting for it? Nearly every surgeon who has done any great amount of work has come upon unsuspected cases of ectopic pregnancy while in the abdomen for other purposes. So far as I can learn, everyone ofthese has been removed, together with the tube, without even an attempt having been made to save either. This has been the proper thing to do. Everybody did it. In some cases it is the only thing to do yet. Early diagnosis of ectopic pregnancy is next to impossible unless it is accidentally discovered. And until someone finds a way to make a more definite diagnosis it will continue to be the method. However, when we do find an early case, where the tube is still in a healthy condition, not too badly distended, and all things favorable, I think we should make a supreme attempt to save the life of the growing child by opening the tube carefully and dissecting out the pregnancy intact and transplanting it into the uterus where nature intended it should go. It can be very q uickl y done. It does not endanger the life of the mother and maybe her only chance to bear a child. In support of this theory I wish to report a case which will show without doubt that it can be done.
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September 13, 1915, Mrs. W.J. W., age 27; housewife; American; of good appearance with dark complexion; menstruation regular; married five years; no children; no miscarriages; constipated; urine normal; nervous; pulse normal; temperature normal. Family history negative. Personal history negative except that she had been told by one physician she had a fibroid in the posterior wall of the uterus. I found this to be true. She was very anxious to have children. Her husband was a fine, clean, well built man, of good habits. September 15, 1915. Operated on for fibroid and when abdomen was opened, we found an ectopic gestation in the left tube at outer part of isthmus. The tube was very soft and healthy, enlarged to the size of a walnut but not distended. The uterus showed the same shade of darkening color. The fibroid was about the size of a large hen's egg and extended into cavity of uterus. On removing the fibroid I was compelled to make a clean cut incision encircling the tumor and into the cavity of the uterus, extending down to and involving the inner os.
Linacre Quarterly
Knowing their anxiety for raising a child, I decided to try, at least, the only thing at hand - to transplant the ectopic pregnancy. I knew it could be easily removed from the cavity of the uterus if it did not grow to the wall and be retained and nourished to full development. Had it failed to attach itself it could have easily been dislodged by the use of a curette.
However, I was not called upon to remove it as all went well. The tumor removed, I left the uterus protected while I carefully opened the tube and dissected the pregnancy out intact, being careful not to injure the sac in any way by keeping wide away and including part of the tube-wall. It came out very easily and was in size about equal to a large olive. It was at once placed within the cavity of the opened uterus and caught by two of the sutures of the inner row of plain No. I catgut used in closing the wound in the uterus. The tube was closed in like manner and left in place. The patient was watched carefully for any hemmorrhage, vaginal discharge, or signs of trouble for two weeks with no symptoms whatever. She left the hospital on the 14th day after a complete recovery. The pregnancy went on normally to full term and resulted in the natural birth of a fine boy, fully developed and without a scar, May 2, 1916. No doubt the raw surface of the edges of the wound in the uterus was instrumental in the perfect attachment of the transplant. They gave a good source of blood supply to the raw surface of the detached sac or tube-wall, thus enabling it to adhere readily.

I have not the least doubt that many such transplanted ectopic pregnancies will be reported in the near future. We may and will have failures in this as in other transplantation procedures, but there is not the danger involved in this transplantation that there is in many of the others. Certainly it is worth the most extreme effort in favorable cases. At this time it is of course difficult to differentiate the favorable case and this matter must be left to the judgment of the surgeon. The conditon of the tube and surrounding circumstances such as the stage of development, inflammatory conditions, adhesions, displacements, and wishes of the mother must all be considered.
REFERENCES
I. The Practice of Obstetrics. by J. Clifton Edgar, 3rd ed. p. 362.
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Response to Seedersandleechers (Original post)

Fri Nov 29, 2019, 11:12 AM

42. Sickos ...

with power.

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Fri Nov 29, 2019, 11:13 AM

43. Butler County lawmaker appears on white power advocate's show

https://www.wcpo.com/news/local-news/butler-county/candice-keller-butler-county-lawmaker-appears-on-white-power-advocates-show
Butler County lawmaker appears on white power advocate's show
Posted: 11:31 AM, Apr 19, 2017
Updated: 10:33 AM, Apr 19, 2017
By: Michael Pitman | The Journal-News



MIDDLETOWN, Ohio -- Ohio Rep. Candice Keller, R-Middletown, says she would not have appeared on an Internet podcast if she had known the host pushes an agenda for “the existence of our race and a future for white children.”

The freshman state representative in February went on the “Sonny Thomas Show” to promote her proposed legislation that would crackdown on cities that refuse to enforce federal immigration laws.

Thomas, who is founder of the Springboro Tea Party, has made local and national headlines after he unfurled a Confederate flag at a Springboro school board meeting in a speech defending Constitution classes canceled by the district and his unsuccessful run to unseat an Ohio GOP committee member.

Keller compared Planned Parenthood to Nazis on her Facebook page last week, drawing fire on social media from supporters of the organization and others who felt it was inappropriate.

Keller, who is also executive director of the Community Pregnancy Center in Middletown, posted a meme that included the statement, “One day we will look back at this” with an arrow pointing to the Planned Parenthood logo, and then “the same way we look back at this,” with an arrow pointing to the Nazi swastika.

Keller is a Pro-Life advocate and has voiced her opinions against abortion in the past on her Twitter and Facebook accounts.

“Just as the Nazis took the lives of millions of innocent people and sold their valuables for profit, Planned Parenthood has done likewise as we have seen in hidden camera videos,” she said in a written statement. “Planned Parenthood is a horrific industry that profits from the innocent and the American people should be appalled at their unconscionable activities.”

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Response to dalton99a (Reply #43)

Fri Nov 29, 2019, 11:36 AM

57. Ask JD Vance

About Middletown. He wrote “ Hillbilly Elegy,” about growing up in Middletown.

A bunch of Kentucky Rednecks living in a decaying town thinking the Steel Mills are a comin’ back, just like the coal mines.

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Response to dalton99a (Reply #43)

Fri Nov 29, 2019, 12:31 PM

65. The PP videos she refers to

 

are PHONY!

She has to lie to make her point!

In her world, isn't that bearing False Witness?

As Mr. Garrison says, "You Go To Hell And Die!

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Response to dalton99a (Reply #43)

Fri Nov 29, 2019, 03:36 PM

84. "the existence of our race and a future for white children"


This is a segment of the "14 words", which are memorized by members of the prison gang "Aryan Brotherhood", and I would imagine other neo nazis.

I don't know who she thinks she's bullshitting.

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Response to Seedersandleechers (Original post)

Fri Nov 29, 2019, 11:19 AM

47. Just think of all the $$$

People can save on medical school tuition. All you need to do is become a GOP politician and you know more about OBGYN than any actual doctor!

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Response to Freddie (Reply #47)

Fri Nov 29, 2019, 11:26 AM

51. The Bible says nothing about boiling water to kill bacteria

or using distilled alcohol as disinfectant.

Evangelicals should quit doing that shit



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Response to Seedersandleechers (Original post)

Fri Nov 29, 2019, 11:24 AM

49. my guess is doctors will not comply forcing this to the courts

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Response to Kurt V. (Reply #49)

Sat Nov 30, 2019, 08:58 AM

133. Of course they will not comply.

It is medically impossible.

So when an ectopic pregnancy occurs and they treat it properly with medication or surgery to abort the embryo, let the fools find a prosecutor foolish enough to bring charges. No conviction would ever hold, even if they could find 12 people dumb enough to convict.

There is not even a strategic reason for this insanity. If there was a conviction that would of course be appealed, the appeal is a slam dunk win for physician and patient. Nothing to be argued even in an appeals court.

Even the harrassment of doctors and women would achieve nothing. It is not abortion doctors who treat ectopic pregnancies. It is ordinary ob-gyn docs who discover the problem in their patient.

So there is no intimidation value in this insanity. A doctor would be more intimidated by NOT treating a woman's ectopic pregnancy appropriately since it would kill her if left untreated.

Not a strategic move, just an insane one.

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Response to Seedersandleechers (Original post)

Fri Nov 29, 2019, 11:25 AM

50. Round 3,478 in the war on expertise....

The Battle of the Fetus in the Jebus campaign. The clods once again think they know more about human reproduction than those high falutin MDs and PhDs with all their fancy degrees and decades of study and research. All we need is the internets, The Google and someone to tell us what we want to believe. We're all experts in everything!

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Response to Seedersandleechers (Original post)

Fri Nov 29, 2019, 11:33 AM

56. Welcome to Gilead

this is straight up insanity.....probably the most malign, misogynist, reactionary, and downright dangerous bill they've cooked up yet. This is not medically possible and will actually kill women if attempted. Just horrifying....

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Response to Seedersandleechers (Original post)

Fri Nov 29, 2019, 11:36 AM

58. Of course, these lawmakers oppose such things as government-paid prenatal care,

Maternity leave, health insurance for the poor and for children and so on. They are not "pro-life", just "pro-pregnancy. One of the less attractive (of so many) things about Evangelical Protestantism is the misogyny.

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Response to Seedersandleechers (Original post)

Fri Nov 29, 2019, 11:41 AM

59. Where is the AMA?

If the Ohio state legislature makes Docs perform operations which are not acceptable or safe or legal, then I guess this means that other medical professionals can start to use drugs and other procedures currently not accepatable or approved by the AMA or FDA. Pretty sure that Docs get in trouble when they prescribe drugs for off-label purposes.

This is total nonsense and we need to make it clear that it won’t stand.

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Response to Seedersandleechers (Original post)

Fri Nov 29, 2019, 11:42 AM

61. Ah, the forces of pseudo-christian hate and misogyny strike again!

These people are pretty twisted. And they sure don't give a shit about women.

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Response to Seedersandleechers (Original post)

Fri Nov 29, 2019, 11:45 AM

63. These people are so quick to

say "Its god's will, blah, blah, blah". Well if that was true, perhaps it wasn't god's will that this child be born, because if he wanted the pregnancy to be viable, he'd have made sure the embryo was planted in the uterus in the first place. But then again, "God works in mysterious ways and we cannot know what is in his heart", except of course when it is convenient for their extremist agendas.

These people are totally nuts!

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Response to PatSeg (Reply #63)

Fri Nov 29, 2019, 04:07 PM

89. Many people who speak forcefully about "God's Will"

have no problem seeking out expensive medical treatment when faced with fertility issues.

What happens with the "surplus" embryos is another example of interpreting "God's" will to mean one's own.

Years ago, I read an article about Christian couples giving up their frozen offspring to be implanted and raised by other Christian couples. No matter how carefully the couples are vetted, there is still a chance that those people could change their belief system. Also, if God "willed" the successful fertilization of a number of eggs, it seems as if He would have wanted the parents to carry and raise them all in their own family. Farming your kids out to be raised by others seems lacking in a sense of responsibility.

Then there are the legislators who have publicly stated that they don't have a problem with embryos conceived in labs being destroyed. As long as the woman isn't pregnant; they have no interest in interfering.

BTW, saw a sign online that proclaimed the message that the Liberals are "all about control".

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Response to Collimator (Reply #89)

Fri Nov 29, 2019, 04:45 PM

93. Exactly!

To these people, "God's will" is whatever they want and by some miracle, they don't like the same things that god doesn't like! I mean, that must be some kind of divine sign right there.

From what I've observed among fundamentalist Christians I've known, it is just intellectually laziness. Whenever confronted with a challenging question or decision, they pull out their standard cliches, God's will, the bible says (you can find a quote to justify pretty much anything in the bible), god's plan, etc. This is why it is pointless to argue with such people. They'll never respond to reason, evidence, or facts.

"Liberals are all about control"??? That is hysterical! Translation: "Liberals don't agree with me".

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Response to PatSeg (Reply #93)

Fri Nov 29, 2019, 05:00 PM

97. I used to be one of those people.

I knew about the abortions and the "injection that caused me to miscarry but wasn't an abortion" that were procured when the need was theirs.

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Response to Seedersandleechers (Original post)

Fri Nov 29, 2019, 12:49 PM

66. Insane repuglinazi fake christian swine.

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Response to Seedersandleechers (Original post)

Fri Nov 29, 2019, 12:55 PM

67. What's a tragedy.....

is that there are decent people still residing in this state (most due to work, family commitments or, as in my case, an inability to sell a home), but their voices have been muted primarily by gerrymandering. While always leaning conservative and controlled by its business patrons, Ohio has become alarming more extremist in its governing over the past two decades. Along with the entrenched business interest, the rural and theocratic constituencies dominate all legislation and governmental operations at the state and most local levels (except for the large urban areas). It's rapidly trying to achieve 'worst in the nation' status in most metrics - most recently as having the highest number of ER visits by those receiving Medicaid. It's a dubious distinction that most societies wouldn't want, but one that the Republicans in this state seem to crave - a race to the bottom. Very sad and disturbing.

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Response to Seedersandleechers (Original post)

Fri Nov 29, 2019, 01:11 PM

68. This is truly disgusting. Ohio wants to experiment on women.

Echoes of Nazi Doctor Hermann Stieve who used the war to experiment on live women. Dr. Stieve specifically focused on the reproductive system of women.

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Response to Seedersandleechers (Original post)

Fri Nov 29, 2019, 01:13 PM

69. It's a bill.

Probably devised only for public consumption. Doubtful it would pass, inconceivable that a Governor with any intelligence would sign it. A waste of the Legislature's time.

And another sterling example of why legislators should not write bills about subjects they know nothing about.

-- Mal

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Response to malthaussen (Reply #69)

Fri Nov 29, 2019, 01:37 PM

70. Ha! Dewine doesn't possess much intelligence IMO.

I could see him signing this bill, no problem, if it got that far.

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Response to Alliepoo (Reply #70)

Fri Nov 29, 2019, 03:43 PM

85. I say he'll definitely sign it.

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Response to Seedersandleechers (Original post)

Fri Nov 29, 2019, 01:46 PM

71. Pharisees.

I am so tired of stupid I could spit.

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Response to the_sly_pig (Reply #71)

Fri Nov 29, 2019, 03:17 PM

79. Spitting doesn't seem nearly disrespectful...

…enough, altho I do confess that I used to spit on the sidewalk in front of blowhard-1-term congressman Joe Walsh's campaign office, which was right next to my hair salon. I'd make sure no one was looking, and had the prepared excuse of feeling a hair in my mouth in case I got accosted.

This is soooooooo ridiculously anti-science that I don't even know what to say. WTF is wrong with these legislators that they think they can order medical professionals to perform a procedure that does not even exist?

Might as well order physicians to raise people from the dead. Equally impossible.

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Response to 3catwoman3 (Reply #79)

Fri Nov 29, 2019, 03:25 PM

81. I was prepared to be a little more bold....

... but the abject stupidity of these people leaves me speechless. The hypocrisy of conservative lawmakers that demand smaller government using government authority to force their christo-fascist views on others.

And the absolute stupidity it takes to vote these clowns into office. There are no words that can sufficiently describe these idiots because the former effective words, nazi, fascist, pharisee, misogynist have all been nerfed.

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Response to Seedersandleechers (Original post)

Fri Nov 29, 2019, 02:22 PM

74. Symbolic if passed

An enforceable law cannot require an impossibility. They can pass it but medical science doesn't exist to do anything remotely close.

Wait...the Ohio legislature just put a law on the books that proclaimed science is irrelevant in school if you have deeply held religious beliefs consistent with the actual answer you put on your quiz as a student, or something like that, didn't they? So under the law in Ohio, I have to extrapolate that facts, logic, and reason are irrelevant and may in fact be evidence of guilt because Satan?

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Response to NotASurfer (Reply #74)

Fri Nov 29, 2019, 03:49 PM

87. If doctor aborts an ectopic pregnancy and doesn't re-implant the fetus,

then such doctor will face charges of murder if this bill were to pass. Considering it's impossible to re-implant the fetus, doctors aborting ectopic pregnancies will be charged with murder if this bill passes.

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Response to LisaL (Reply #87)

Fri Nov 29, 2019, 06:20 PM

105. And charged with murder if they don't treat the ectopic

Radioactive tubal pregnancies, docs be fleeing!!!

Republicans are morons

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Response to Seedersandleechers (Original post)

Fri Nov 29, 2019, 02:53 PM

75. No cure for stupid.

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Response to Seedersandleechers (Original post)

Fri Nov 29, 2019, 03:18 PM

80. This isn't just "an unviable pregnancy"

>Ohio’s move on ectopic pregnancies – where an embryo implants on the mother’s fallopian tube rather than her uterus rendering the pregnancy unviable>

Ectopic pregnancies are life-threatening emergencies. Treating them like saving the pregnancy is what matters is truly saying that young women should die, and that physicians should be forced to be complicit in this.

A friend of mine had an ectopic pregnancy some years ago, and she almost died, and lost that fallopian tube so her fertility was affected.

I am appalled that the men and women of the Ohio legislature would be so eager to risk the lives of young women. I hate always saying this, but "What if it were your daughter? Your wife? YOU?" (But of course, in that case, they'd take their loved one out of state-- they only want other women to risk death.)

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Response to Seedersandleechers (Original post)

Fri Nov 29, 2019, 03:31 PM

82. The language is slippery

Reading the link from the Guardian shows that they have used very interesting wording. In particular is “if applicable”. Thus it is possible to foresee court cases over whether or not something was applicable and so on.

I live in Portage County in Ohio. The county seat is Ravenna which is in severe decline but the county is deep red.

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Response to lonely bird (Reply #82)

Fri Nov 29, 2019, 03:47 PM

86. Hi neighbor!

I live in Trumbull Co.

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Response to Ohiogal (Reply #86)

Fri Nov 29, 2019, 11:58 PM

123. Well, hi yourself!

How red is Trumbull?

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Response to lonely bird (Reply #123)

Sat Nov 30, 2019, 12:23 AM

126. Historically Dem

but went for Trump in 2016.

Re elected Tim Ryan also.

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Response to Seedersandleechers (Original post)

Fri Nov 29, 2019, 03:35 PM

83. It is going to take warfare to settle this

The religious nuts will never get better.

Will never go away.

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Response to Seedersandleechers (Original post)

Fri Nov 29, 2019, 03:51 PM

88. Will dr. be charged with murder

If for some reason a dr. would try to remove an embryo from a Fallopian tube to a uterus, which would probably kill a woman or victimized child, leaving the embryo to die as well? And are there any laws on the books barring drs. from performing useless operations on humans? Or laws against lying to people stupid enough to think a dr. could do the impossible?

I don't know how these stupid people got elected. I was born in Ohio and lived here my whole life and the politicians just get stupider and stupider.

voinovich visited my town. I didn't like him because he cut help to poor adults and gave all of his department heads raises. I was a distance away from where he appeared and I flipped him off. The stupid s.o.b. thought I was waving and waved at me.


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Response to Seedersandleechers (Original post)

Fri Nov 29, 2019, 04:17 PM

90. Since it is medically impossible, the law should require doctors to "pray for a miracle."

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Response to Seedersandleechers (Original post)

Fri Nov 29, 2019, 04:26 PM

91. The murder of women

Just that: the murder of women

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Response to Seedersandleechers (Original post)

Fri Nov 29, 2019, 04:47 PM

94. Dumbest Republican politicians live in Ohio

They are even more stupid than our good ole boys down in Texas. Don't they know there will be no baby born in this situation and the woman has a good chance of dying without medical intervention.

Hey Voters in Ohio! - get rid of these Republican fools.

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Response to Seedersandleechers (Original post)

Fri Nov 29, 2019, 05:02 PM

98. Idea

Is this someones, sick idea of a joke? Has to be.

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Response to tiptonic (Reply #98)

Fri Nov 29, 2019, 06:40 PM

106. If I believed in a creator, I'd certainly say the bill's authors were someone's sick idea of a joke.

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Response to Seedersandleechers (Original post)

Fri Nov 29, 2019, 05:10 PM

99. So basically MURDER women.

Is this real?

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Response to Seedersandleechers (Original post)

Fri Nov 29, 2019, 05:53 PM

103. biology fail. beyond pro-fetus humping.

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Response to Seedersandleechers (Original post)

Fri Nov 29, 2019, 07:09 PM

108. This is domestic terrorism against the female gender. n/t

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Response to Seedersandleechers (Original post)

Fri Nov 29, 2019, 07:23 PM

110. This is INSANE.

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Response to Seedersandleechers (Original post)

Fri Nov 29, 2019, 08:20 PM

115. This isn't even a real medical procedure.

If it is, I've never heard of it in my 26 years of nursing.

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Response to Seedersandleechers (Original post)

Fri Nov 29, 2019, 10:55 PM

119. to try and look at the numbers on this........

Ohio's House has 99 seats. 38D and 61 Rethugs

since Ds are not insane, safe to say all 38 will oppose this. That leaves us needing 12 sane rethugs (a lofty goal) needed to kill this bill. That's about 20% of their caucus.

Even if it passed, passed the Senate, and became law, it is hard to fathom any court upholding a law requiring people to do something impossible. Why not just make it a law that if someone is burned to death that doctors have to attempt to glue their ashes back together, or face murder charges? Basically the same thing.............

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Response to Seedersandleechers (Original post)

Sat Nov 30, 2019, 12:03 AM

124. Moron GOP state legislators...


They may has well have passed a law requiring doctors to use a matter-to-energy conversion device to beam the embryo out of the woman, accelerate its age to 40 weeks, and genetically alter it to insure that it votes Republican when it turns 18.

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Response to Seedersandleechers (Original post)

Sat Nov 30, 2019, 12:58 AM

127. Can we get an emergency stop

 

with an opinion from the AMA?

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Response to Seedersandleechers (Original post)

Sat Nov 30, 2019, 03:10 AM

128. Huh? Talk about practicing medicine without a license

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Response to Seedersandleechers (Original post)

Sat Nov 30, 2019, 09:20 AM

134. Maybe I missed it because I have not read every

post here, although I read most of them.

Nobody has mentioned the fact that the majority of ectopic pregnancies occur INSIDE the fallopuan tube. The article says "ON the tube" which is misleading. The embryo gets stuck inside the fallopisn tube due to scar tisdue from infections (endometriosis) or to a misshapen tube.

The interior space in a tube is miniscule, so it does not take long for the growth of the embryo to push against the walls of the tube or to be able to burst the tube, causing peritonitis and hemorrhaging. It can occur within a short time after the woman finds out she is pregnant. By the time she has symptoms, it is a full blown emergency.

Less often, the embryo develops elsewhere -- the abdominal cavity or on an ovary. .

But regardless of where it is, it has to be removed. If left in place, the mother will die. Since re-implantation is medically impossible, the embryo is already doomed. Only the mother can be saved and only by abortion.

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Response to wnylib (Reply #134)

Sat Nov 30, 2019, 10:57 AM

135. It would appear republicans proposing this bill

don't know shit about medical science. They want embryo relocated into the uterus (which isn't possible) or the doctor would face murder charges.

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Response to LisaL (Reply #135)

Sat Nov 30, 2019, 01:32 PM

140. Then the.doctor faces a murder charge either way.

Isn"t it murder, or at least negiigent homicude, to knowingly use an improper procedure that causes death, e.g. to experiment medically on a patient with a medically impossinle procedure?

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Response to Seedersandleechers (Original post)

Sat Nov 30, 2019, 11:12 AM

136. Many bills are introduced. Most do not become law.

This one will be one of the ones that do not become law.

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Response to Seedersandleechers (Original post)

Sat Nov 30, 2019, 12:30 PM

137. So sick of the fucking Christians trying to impose their fantasies on the rest of us.

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