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riversedge

(69,727 posts)
Fri Dec 6, 2019, 07:50 PM Dec 2019

Supreme Court halts subpoena to Deutsche Bank for Trump records

Source: the hill




By Harper Neidig - 12/06/19 06:10 PM EST


The Supreme Court on Friday granted President Trump's emergency request to temporarily block a congressional subpoena for his financial records from Deutsche Bank.

The court's order came just hours after the president's legal team asked for a temporary stay of an appellate court decision ordering Deutsche Bank to comply with subpoenas from the House Financial Services and Intelligence Committees for a broad range of documents concerning Trump's finances and his businesses.

Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg, who oversees the Second Circuit Court of Appeals, issued an administrative stay of that court's decision that will be in effect until Friday, Dec. 13, while the court deliberates on whether to grant a longer stay and to give Trump's lawyers time to prepare a formal appeal.

The committees are investigating Trump's relationship with Deutsche Bank, which had given him $2 billion in loans and is reportedly being investigated for its role in money-laundering scheme involving Russia.

Earlier this week, a three-judge panel on the Second Circuit had ruled that there was a "clear and substantial" public interest in granting the House subpoenas to Deutsche Bank and the credit card company Capital One................................

Read more: https://thehill.com/regulation/court-battles/473461-supreme-court-halts-subpoena-to-deutsche-bank-for-trump-financial



I do not have a good feeling about any of trumps tax returns, nor his financial records. just do not.
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Supreme Court halts subpoena to Deutsche Bank for Trump records (Original Post) riversedge Dec 2019 OP
He must be afraid of being charged with tax evasion or fraud if they become public. appleannie1 Dec 2019 #1
i doubt that. Calista241 Dec 2019 #7
Allen Howard Weisselberg is his Accountant StClone Dec 2019 #16
I think it's the source of the loans and money he has borrowed bucolic_frolic Dec 2019 #12
Loan Fraud is almost certain. Rachel Maddow already did a segment on Trump jacking up the value okaawhatever Dec 2019 #45
This was a routine, expected action. It says nothing at all about the ultimate outcome of the case. tableturner Dec 2019 #2
This is trumps boogeyman, his kacekwl Dec 2019 #3
I'm not sure whether this is normal. If not I'm disappointed in RBG. AJT Dec 2019 #4
It is normal. mwooldri Dec 2019 #15
WTF?! InAbLuEsTaTe Dec 2019 #5
Your posts will get alerted with your signature PSPS Dec 2019 #14
Let's see. This is the reformulated SCOTUS with Anthony Kennedy giving up his seat for Kavanaugh erronis Dec 2019 #6
Sounds pretty accurate as well... Evolve Dammit Dec 2019 #8
no, it's normal and expected.... getagrip_already Dec 2019 #10
Guess sometimes folks dont read the story, just the headline. oldsoftie Dec 2019 #30
A lot to think about. n/t EndlessWire Dec 2019 #40
Post removed Post removed Dec 2019 #9
nonesense.... getagrip_already Dec 2019 #11
I would hold off until we learn if the Court will even to first agree to hear the case and then on cstanleytech Dec 2019 #13
What part of "administrative delay" did you not read? Bernardo de La Paz Dec 2019 #25
All the more reason not to rush to a floor vote Fiendish Thingy Dec 2019 #17
Would this matter towards impeachment? Bradical79 Dec 2019 #23
I don't think Pelosi will allow a second impeachment inquiry Fiendish Thingy Dec 2019 #29
I don't think she wants to put the country behind us. EndlessWire Dec 2019 #41
I'm think financial investigation wouldn't be ready anyway Bradical79 Dec 2019 #44
This is a messy ordeal. Nov. 19th the 55 y/o Deutsche Banker for Trump "committed suicide" mysteryowl Dec 2019 #18
IOW, the Deutsche banker didn't kill himself.......... lastlib Dec 2019 #20
The Plot Thickens disndat Dec 2019 #37
This whole process by the turd of delay, delay, delay, trying to run out the clock... not_the_one Dec 2019 #19
Yeah, he delays, delays, delays, then screams about how long the investigations take. Mc Mike Dec 2019 #27
They did issue a paper as to why Trump is getting impeached. EndlessWire Dec 2019 #42
I've completely lost track of the number of times DUers with no understanding of the judicial onenote Dec 2019 #21
It's amazing ain't it? nt dware Dec 2019 #26
I don't have a good feeling about anything of major consequence in front of lark Dec 2019 #22
Trump is far too stupid to come up with a defense like this. PuffedMica Dec 2019 #24
Actually any lawyer that didn't pursue this strategy would be committing malpractice onenote Dec 2019 #28
I said he is hiring a lawyer to do this. The question is who is paying the lawyer? PuffedMica Dec 2019 #36
RBG was the Justice who issued the stay NotASurfer Dec 2019 #31
LOL! n/t EndlessWire Dec 2019 #43
Nothing says not guilty, like visiting the SCOTUS to block transparency? Brainfodder Dec 2019 #32
You do realize that this is quite normal? dware Dec 2019 #33
Lack of transparency at every turn? Brainfodder Dec 2019 #34
My apologies. dware Dec 2019 #35
RBG giving them enough rope so to speak. disndat Dec 2019 #38
I would think so, dware Dec 2019 #39

Calista241

(5,584 posts)
7. i doubt that.
Fri Dec 6, 2019, 08:27 PM
Dec 2019

I think he's concerned that he's not worth what he says he is. He's represented himself as a billionaire, and what if the tax returns say he's worth $600m?

As far as liability, his accountants and company have had an army of tax lawyers submitting his taxes since the 1970's. He can easily tie up a case for tax evasion for decades while the IRS tries to work it out.

StClone

(11,679 posts)
16. Allen Howard Weisselberg is his Accountant
Fri Dec 6, 2019, 09:42 PM
Dec 2019

Not an army, and courts would move his cases through quickly and years rather than decades would be the result.

bucolic_frolic

(42,676 posts)
12. I think it's the source of the loans and money he has borrowed
Fri Dec 6, 2019, 08:51 PM
Dec 2019

or perhaps inherited, or the groups that have backed him. For all the transparency in the global banking system, Deutsche Bank is not an open book. I'm no expert but I didn't see a lot about it on Wikipedia in the postwar period until the early 60s, and then the reforms in the 1990s. What happened to deposits after 1945?

okaawhatever

(9,453 posts)
45. Loan Fraud is almost certain. Rachel Maddow already did a segment on Trump jacking up the value
Tue Dec 10, 2019, 09:18 PM
Dec 2019

of his properties when applying for loans.

kacekwl

(6,994 posts)
3. This is trumps boogeyman, his
Fri Dec 6, 2019, 08:04 PM
Dec 2019

Kryptonite. He would lay down in front of a train to stop his financials from the public.

mwooldri

(10,291 posts)
15. It is normal.
Fri Dec 6, 2019, 09:23 PM
Dec 2019

If a case is being brought before the Supremes, a Supreme Court judge can place an administrative hold on the lower Court ruling before a longer one is put in place pending said appeal to Supreme Court.

It's just administrative stuff... we're watching sausage being made after all, and watching sausage being made isn't pretty.

InAbLuEsTaTe

(24,110 posts)
5. WTF?!
Fri Dec 6, 2019, 08:16 PM
Dec 2019

Bernie/Elizabeth or Elizabeth/Bernie 2020!!
Either way, they're stronger together!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!

erronis

(14,955 posts)
6. Let's see. This is the reformulated SCOTUS with Anthony Kennedy giving up his seat for Kavanaugh
Fri Dec 6, 2019, 08:18 PM
Dec 2019

and Kennedy's son in Deutsche Bank being one of the heads of the unit that loaned trump money.

and Gorsuch being installed by Sen. BugEyes instead of Garland.

and the Federalist Society pulling strings.

that are being played by Putin.

Sounds like a plot line.

getagrip_already

(14,250 posts)
10. no, it's normal and expected....
Fri Dec 6, 2019, 08:49 PM
Dec 2019

It's the same thing they did with mazer.

Chill, just a little patience.

oldsoftie

(12,410 posts)
30. Guess sometimes folks dont read the story, just the headline.
Sat Dec 7, 2019, 01:13 PM
Dec 2019

I've been guilty a couple times, but i've gotten better!

Response to riversedge (Original post)

getagrip_already

(14,250 posts)
11. nonesense....
Fri Dec 6, 2019, 08:51 PM
Dec 2019

These documents are held by third parties, not the irs or doj. And the stay is completely normal.

It's not a plot. It's the way the courts have always worked.

cstanleytech

(26,080 posts)
13. I would hold off until we learn if the Court will even to first agree to hear the case and then on
Fri Dec 6, 2019, 09:02 PM
Dec 2019

what the ruling is if they should decide to hear it.

Bernardo de La Paz

(48,789 posts)
25. What part of "administrative delay" did you not read?
Sat Dec 7, 2019, 10:13 AM
Dec 2019

There is a rotation (daily, weekly?) of who is on duty for issuing such administrative documents.

And please don't call RBG "shit head". If you mean somebody else you need to be crystal clear in a post attacking RBG with a headline attacking RBG.

Fiendish Thingy

(15,369 posts)
17. All the more reason not to rush to a floor vote
Fri Dec 6, 2019, 09:45 PM
Dec 2019

SCOTUS will expedite a decision on this, if they take it on, and waiting until the new year could provide a cornucopia of new evidence that could increase the odds of a conviction in the senate.

 

Bradical79

(4,490 posts)
23. Would this matter towards impeachment?
Sat Dec 7, 2019, 02:19 AM
Dec 2019

If the financial crimes are clear enough, he can be impeached again. It's a crime seperate from the Ukraine deal, and would have its own paper trail. I would think it would take a fair ammount of time to sort through anyway.

Fiendish Thingy

(15,369 posts)
29. I don't think Pelosi will allow a second impeachment inquiry
Sat Dec 7, 2019, 12:00 PM
Dec 2019

No matter how incriminating or heinous the evidence may be. She wants to put the whole episode behind her.

EndlessWire

(6,377 posts)
41. I don't think she wants to put the country behind us.
Sun Dec 8, 2019, 12:50 AM
Dec 2019

While I don't think she would have impeached were it not for the Ukraine scandal, I think we're in it now and it's a matter of the best way to remove Trump.

If you read the statement that they put out, it's plain as day that the ONLY way to remove Trump is to impeach him or vote his ass out, along with his henchmen. Since our election system is so fragile, we have to try both ways.

We are in trouble here. We can disagree about the best way to make it happen, but I don't think anyone wants to keep tRump in the position of President. Especially Nancy. I think she'll do what she has to do.

We also have to remove the likes of Turtleman and Nunes.

 

Bradical79

(4,490 posts)
44. I'm think financial investigation wouldn't be ready anyway
Mon Dec 9, 2019, 10:40 PM
Dec 2019

At least it seems to me such things take some time to unravel. Impeach again should he still be around after 2020, otherwise the Justice Department and state investigations will hopefully file criminal charges soon after he leaves the White House.

If anything awful and easy to communicate comes out related to his financial records while in office, hopefully that will keep a cap on his approval numbers.

mysteryowl

(7,323 posts)
18. This is a messy ordeal. Nov. 19th the 55 y/o Deutsche Banker for Trump "committed suicide"
Fri Dec 6, 2019, 10:21 PM
Dec 2019

Since this messy ordeal involves Russians, Trump, Deutsche Bank and money laundering, we can't help but wonder who may have killed this guy.


disndat

(1,887 posts)
37. The Plot Thickens
Sat Dec 7, 2019, 06:22 PM
Dec 2019

Deutsche Bank just offered one Billion && to Wash. investigators to stop. investigating!
This suicide was too Epstein-like. l

 

not_the_one

(2,227 posts)
19. This whole process by the turd of delay, delay, delay, trying to run out the clock...
Fri Dec 6, 2019, 11:44 PM
Dec 2019

The road to the complete destruction of this country will be paved with technical, procedural process delays.

Yes, we want to make sure everyone is given a chance to defend themselves. But dragging it out when the issue is so important... It should be addressed immediately. Other cases can wait. If the country collapses those cases won't be heard anyway. ALL turd related issues should be fast-tracked.

The turd is guilty of everything he has been accused of (and lots more...). He KNOWS he is guilty, which is why his purpose is to make it TOO late for him to be held accountable.

So what if the courts rule against him, if he is already elected for a second term, and he has maintained control of the senate. WE MUST take control of the senate.

This is why I have a real problem with having to be dragged kicking and screaming into the impeachment process. Due to the delay, we are now short of time, and are having to try to "keep it simple" because the poor, infotainment saturated American public can barely grasp a single concept.

Aside from the Ukraine mess, all the democrats need to do is DEFINE the EMOLUMENT'S clause listed in the constitution, point out where presidents must divest themselves while they are president, and give a tally of the millions, if not hundreds of millions that this so-called "billionaire" has been shoving into his pockets, at the tax payers expense.

Americans understand greed and fraud, and recognize it when they see it. The democrats need to make SURE the public sees it.

But apparently we don't have time for it.

EndlessWire

(6,377 posts)
42. They did issue a paper as to why Trump is getting impeached.
Sun Dec 8, 2019, 01:09 AM
Dec 2019
https://judiciary.house.gov/sites/democrats.judiciary.house.gov/files/documents/HCM%20FINAL%20v.3.pdf

It doesn't contain the evidence, but it does explain the need for impeachment. It is written as a professional report, but it is readable and understandable. You can download it as a PDF and read it at your own pace.

onenote

(42,383 posts)
21. I've completely lost track of the number of times DUers with no understanding of the judicial
Sat Dec 7, 2019, 12:03 AM
Dec 2019

system have jumped to conclusions about stay requests such as this one.

This was completely predictable.

lark

(23,003 posts)
22. I don't have a good feeling about anything of major consequence in front of
Sat Dec 7, 2019, 12:33 AM
Dec 2019

Russian Repug SCOTUS. They are not our friends nor friends to our constitutional way of life if it conflict with rw power.

PuffedMica

(1,061 posts)
24. Trump is far too stupid to come up with a defense like this.
Sat Dec 7, 2019, 07:29 AM
Dec 2019

Trump's legal expertise is limited to bribing the courts to allow his real estate developments. He must be hiring top notch, and expensive, lawyers to come up with these type of maneuvers. Who is paying the legal bills for Trump? I would say the taxpayer is. Trump is committing crimes against the people, and then the people have to pay for his defense.

Trump should be in prison.

onenote

(42,383 posts)
28. Actually any lawyer that didn't pursue this strategy would be committing malpractice
Sat Dec 7, 2019, 11:54 AM
Dec 2019

It doesn't take a genius attorney to ask for, and get, a stay in these circumstances. All it takes is a competent attorney.

Also, clients are not responsible for coming up with a strategy. If I relied on my clients to come up with a legal strategy instead of being the one suggesting a strategy, my clients would lose a lot of cases.

PuffedMica

(1,061 posts)
36. I said he is hiring a lawyer to do this. The question is who is paying the lawyer?
Sat Dec 7, 2019, 06:03 PM
Dec 2019

Trump is committing crimes against the country and the people, and I think he is defending himself with taxpayer money.

NotASurfer

(2,138 posts)
31. RBG was the Justice who issued the stay
Sat Dec 7, 2019, 02:36 PM
Dec 2019

And it's until next Friday...the 13th

If you're superstitious, that sounds like something bad is about to happen to this country's most prominent orange-American

Brainfodder

(6,423 posts)
32. Nothing says not guilty, like visiting the SCOTUS to block transparency?
Sat Dec 7, 2019, 02:42 PM
Dec 2019


I know, the list is long and perfect and beautiful!



dware

(12,092 posts)
33. You do realize that this is quite normal?
Sat Dec 7, 2019, 03:08 PM
Dec 2019

All they're doing is granting a temporary stay to give lawyers time to get their ducks in order before arguing before the Court.

And I sincerely doubt that RBG is blocking any transparency.

Why oh why don't people read the whole article before commenting?

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